• 11-19-2012
    jasonjm
    SRAM xx1 vaporware..... anyone got any real news on release date?
    first it was oct 15th

    then nov 15th

    ive got a bike in pieces and no drivetrain, doh
  • 11-20-2012
    t-dawg
    What do you mean by vaporware? The xx1 group is out. I built up a bike for a customer with it this past friday.
  • 11-20-2012
    AZ
    Wow, you LBS is failing you, even folks in OZ. have got it.
  • 11-20-2012
    jasonjm
    What the hell you guys got it in USA?
  • 11-23-2012
    Burnt-Orange
    I got in early on the qbp early buy and still have nothing so don't feel bad
    I am replacing the drivetrain on my Stumpy 29er
    the temp outside just dropped 30 degrees from yesterday so it's a non issue for me
    tis Snow Bike season


    Sj
  • 11-23-2012
    Vegard
    Chainreacion just pushed some of the dates back and into december. Pooey.
  • 11-23-2012
    yellowducman
    1 complete groupe showed up at one of my local bikes stores today. 166 q was the only crank they said was available.
  • 01-08-2013
    ypocat
    Just got an email from an online shop that the XX1 Trigger Shifter availability date was shifted to October 2013.

    Too bad I already have the cassette and the rear derailleur, otherwise I would cancel it completely.

    Yeah, I believe Vaporware is a very appropriate term in this case.

    I kinda feel bad for the great engineers at SRAM who are put in a bad light by a bunch of other people who can't plan a product release properly.

    "Available in October 2012". Oh wait, a typo, it's October 2013.

    Wondering when SRAM actually realizes that issuing an official statement is what companies with any respect left for their customers do in such cases.
  • 01-08-2013
    THOE
    I bought my XX1 group off of Ebay for $1050 shipped got it then I realized you had to have a certain hub, DT Swiss, Hope, or I9 in order for the cassette to work. So then I dropped another $550 on a set of DT Swiss M1700 rims plus $100 for the XD hub adapter. SRAMS direction suck hind tit especially when it comes to chain length. I also ordered a 28t sprocket for the front. The freakin cassette is as large as a 180mm rotor. Its freakin giant to say the least. I don't understand why they have to make it that way I only use 2nd through 5th gear at the most the rest is a waste. So I wanted extra powerlinks because the 10 speed one is to big calle SRAM and they do not have a release date but if you need one the guy at SRAM said go to a local bike shop have them call SRAM and they will swap out the whole chain which makes no sense along with their directions that come with all the stuff.

    I originally tried to run a MRP bling ring with the MRP G2 SL Micro chain guide with XO cranks. WRONG it would not work with a 30mm BB but do you think MRP posted that info on their website no. The offset is different MRP knows this and will have a different BLING RING out in march to deal with this problem. If you want to use the set up above it will work with SRAM 1400/2200 series carbon cranks for some reason but not XO crankis. So I got fed up and bought the XX1 stuff which for the money I had to spend I am and not very happy either.
  • 01-09-2013
    ypocat
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by THOE View Post
    I only use 2nd through 5th gear at the most the rest is a waste

    interesting.. I basically only need a smaller sprocket or two for paved road descent, to be able to pump it up above 50km/h without a circus-like cadence:)... the largest sprocket on my current 1x9 (29er) is pretty much large enough for any ascent my current tires (furious freds) still provide enough grip for..

    Anyway, my shop told me the meant January not October (a date format mixup), but I still don't like the situation with the delivery dates jumping up and down. Wondering who does that - the european SRAM distributor? If they promise a number of items to a shop, they have to stick to that, right? But it looks like they are not, which makes the shops look bad.

    I had XX1 on order with CRC back in November and they delayed half of the items and cancelled the trigger shifter, so I canceled the delayed items and tried another shop, but the situation there is the same, so very probably not a shop problem, but up the chain somewhere.

    Also I know I can (probably) get it all on eBay (from the US), but that's not the point really.
  • 01-09-2013
    THOE
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by ypocat View Post
    interesting.. I basically only need a smaller sprocket or two for paved road descent, to be able to pump it up above 50km/h without a circus-like cadence:)... the largest sprocket on my current 1x9 (29er) is pretty much large enough for any ascent my current tires (furious freds) still provide enough grip for..

    Anyway, my shop told me the meant January not October (a date format mixup), but I still don't like the situation with the delivery dates jumping up and down. Wondering who does that - the european SRAM distributor? If they promise a number of items to a shop, they have to stick to that, right? But it looks like they are not, which makes the shops look bad.

    I had XX1 on order with CRC back in November and they delayed half of the items and cancelled the trigger shifter, so I canceled the delayed items and tried another shop, but the situation there is the same, so very probably not a shop problem, but up the chain somewhere.

    Also I know I can (probably) get it all on eBay (from the US), but that's not the point really.

    No u r right I totally agree I think their whole progam sucks and so do avid brakes u cannot even by a powerlink by itself you have by a hole chain that's the only way to get a master link if you need an extra one I buy almost 90% of my bike stuff off of eBay I save big money and do not have to drive
  • 01-09-2013
    NoahColorado
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by THOE View Post
    I originally tried to run a MRP bling ring with the MRP G2 SL Micro chain guide with XO cranks. WRONG it would not work with a 30mm BB but do you think MRP posted that info on their website no. The offset is different MRP knows this and will have a different BLING RING out in march to deal with this problem. If you want to use the set up above it will work with SRAM 1400/2200 series carbon cranks for some reason but not XO crankis. So I got fed up and bought the XX1 stuff which for the money I had to spend I am and not very happy either.

    I'm sorry your setup didn't work, but it does on the MRP website that the Bling Ring works with GXP models only.
  • 01-09-2013
    THOE
    30bb
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by NoahColorado View Post
    I'm sorry your setup didn't work, but it does on the MRP website that the Bling Ring works with GXP models only.

    It will work with 30 bb you have to use the series sram 1400/2200 series cranks XO will not work offset is different
  • 01-09-2013
    Burnt-Orange
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    Quote:

    Originally Posted by THOE View Post
    No u r right I totally agree I think their whole progam sucks and so do avid brakes u cannot even by a powerlink by itself you have by a hole chain that's the only way to get a master link if you need an extra one I buy almost 90% of my bike stuff off of eBay I save big money and do not have to drive

    I understand you don't like sram and that is OK, to each is his own
    but they do make power links separate
    have a great day


    Sj
  • 01-09-2013
    THOE
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by SlowerJoe View Post
    I understand you don't like sram and that is OK, to each is his own
    but they do make power links separate
    have a great day


    Sj

    I like them I need a 11speed master link
  • 01-10-2013
    ypocat
    1 Attachment(s)
    I was already going to do this...

    ...but then an email came that my order was shipped today! (I'll wait with the celebrations until I'm sure all the items are exactly what I ordered though.)

    buhaha
  • 01-12-2013
    RockyJunky
    Anyone have insider info as to when QBP is getting more XX1? My LBS said they've haven't got any in stock.
  • 01-12-2013
    THOE
    Ebay, Universal Cycle there all over the place you just cannot by a powerlink for 11 speed chain by itself
  • 01-12-2013
    RockyJunky
    I know, just really want to support my small town LBS. They rock.
  • 01-12-2013
    Burnt-Orange
    I just took my bike out for the first time today with XX1 "down the street"
    it is creepy how quiet it is
    the shifts were crisp
    if the durability works out I couldn't be happier
    now I need to get it on the trail, but they are trashed right now
    hope we have an early spring

    Sj
  • 01-14-2013
    mazafakka
    QBP has pretty much been out of XX1 kits-in-a-box since they came out. They occasionally get fewer than 10 in of a certain type, but most kits have >30 accounts itemwatching, so they're gone quick. I've seen the 170mm cranks stick around for a while, and the replacement chainrings, but that's about it. The DT freehub bodies are tough to get too: I had to buy mine on eBay (brand new, and actually not much more than QBP's price). The cassette and rear trigger shifter seem particularly hard to get. I ended up buying a kit from a store on eBay for $999. Still a ****load, but far less than retail. QBP's price for the kits is like $780 or so, and when you figure in that a shop has to make *some* profit, $1k is reasonable.

    After installing and riding XX1, I can see how it's not for everyone, but i can definitely say it's the best drivetrain I've used on a mountain bike.
  • 01-14-2013
    mazafakka
    Also, QBP does have the 11-speed Powerlinks now. Ordered a 5-pack recently.
  • 01-14-2013
    THOE
    Universal cycles has them
  • 01-14-2013
    RockyJunky
    That sucks. Less than 10 in a shipment? Classic bike industry BS. Lets release something and then make it actually not available. Like I said I know I can order it from eBay or jenson or another online mega store, but every time I do that I'm hurting my LBS, and those guys are good friends of mine. They're always there when I need them in a pinch. It's mid winter, so I don't need the drivetrain right this second, but hopefully come march they'll have plenty.
  • 01-14-2013
    RockyJunky
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by THOE View Post
    Universal cycles has them

    Yea, if you wanna pay $1400
  • 01-15-2013
    Mx231
    A buddy and I bought 2 sets off e-bay about a month ago and it is absolutely amazing stuff, very quiet and very crisp shifting, It blows away the 2x10 stuff I had. My local bike shop was saying it wouldn't be out until mid January, so I found it on my own. You will not be dissapointed.
  • 01-16-2013
    VICpt
    Hello You experts in drivetrains and transmission in general.
    I'm a weak mechanic, so i would like to know if it is possible to mix a XX1 gripshift and XX1 rear derailleur with a cassette, crank and chain from a 2x10 drivetrain.
    I need to change those pieces now, the rest will be changed when needed to be full XX1.
    Thanks
  • 01-16-2013
    Pelly_NH
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by VICpt View Post
    Hello You experts in drivetrains and transmission in general.
    I'm a weak mechanic, so i would like to know if it is possible to mix a XX1 gripshift and XX1 rear derailleur with a cassette, crank and chain from a 2x10 drivetrain.
    I need to change those pieces now, the rest will be changed when needed to be full XX1.
    Thanks

    XX1 parts all use a new tooth profile. You're much better off waiting until you can get the full kit. I'd hate to see what happened the first time you accidentally shifted to that 11th gear that wasn't there. ;)

  • 01-16-2013
    ypocat
    Got my package today, already installed. Trying the gripshift first - you basically shift by thought, lol.

    The 156Q-factor is pretty narrow - had to crack the plastic cadence Garmin magnet holder and take the magnet out, and tape it to the crank arm - as otherwise it was touching the chainstay (just barely but still). But yeah, definitely narrower than the X5 crank I had there before.

    Great product, let's hope they make enough for everybody and not just for the eBay seller guys. And that the distributors don't change quantities after they promise them to shops. Easy, right?
  • 01-17-2013
    PHS
    Wondering if you can run a XX1 crank with a XO Type 2 rear derailleur, 10 spd cassette, 10 spd trigger shifter and a 10 spd chain.
    Anyone running this or something close?
  • 01-17-2013
    Pelly_NH
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by PHS View Post
    Wondering if you can run a XX1 crank with a XO Type 2 rear derailleur, 10 spd cassette, 10 spd trigger shifter and a 10 spd chain.
    Anyone running this or something close?

    Take a look at the chainring in the pic above. I can't imagine that working all too well with a conventional chain...
  • 01-17-2013
    shiggy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by VICpt View Post
    Hello You experts in drivetrains and transmission in general.
    I'm a weak mechanic, so i would like to know if it is possible to mix a XX1 gripshift and XX1 rear derailleur with a cassette, crank and chain from a 2x10 drivetrain.
    I need to change those pieces now, the rest will be changed when needed to be full XX1.
    Thanks

    No.
  • 01-17-2013
    ypocat
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by VICpt View Post
    Hello You experts in drivetrains and transmission in general.
    I'm a weak mechanic, so i would like to know if it is possible to mix a XX1 gripshift and XX1 rear derailleur with a cassette, crank and chain from a 2x10 drivetrain.
    I need to change those pieces now, the rest will be changed when needed to be full XX1.
    Thanks

    there was a whole thread about this and think the answer was actually yes, check it out: http://forums.mtbr.com//sram/sram-xx...ed-818475.html
  • 01-17-2013
    Larry_K
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by ypocat View Post
    there was a whole thread about this and think the answer was actually yes, check it out: http://forums.mtbr.com//sram/sram-xx...ed-818475.html

    That thread was about using an xx1 crankset with a 1x10 setup, not trying to run the xx1 shifter/derailleur with a 10sp cassette. Quite a bit different from what VICpt is asking about. Like Shiggy mentioned above, the answer would be no.
  • 01-17-2013
    PHS
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Pelly_NH View Post
    Take a look at the chainring in the pic above. I can't imagine that working all too well with a conventional chain...

    http://forums.mtbr.com/sram/sram-xx1...ed-818475.html

    Stumbled upon this, answering my questions. Looks like a xx1 crank, 10 spd cassette, 10 spd shifter, 10 or 11 spd chain and most importantly a type 2 clutch rear derailleur will work.
    Apparently the inner width is the same on 10 and 11 spd chains, although I read suggestions to run the 11 spd chain.
  • 01-19-2013
    Daz4311
    Im looking at getting xx1 for my new yeti build but in england I cannot find anyone with 1q speex powerlinks!!!
  • 01-19-2013
    RockyJunky
    Can anyone from Sram chime in here? When are you releasing more XX1 full kits? QBP is out, most online retailers are out, LBS's are out. I can go buy a derailleur and a cassette, but I can't imagine anyone just needing that stuff yet. Full kits are what we need. Thank you in advance for any insight. Oh, and I'm not talking about the BB30 version or the 156 Q factor version. Those are out, but definitely not in as high of demand. 168 Q-factor, with a trigger shifter is what I'm after, and all my riding buddies.
  • 01-28-2013
    mazafakka
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by ypocat View Post
    Got my package today, already installed. Trying the gripshift first - you basically shift by thought, lol.

    The 156Q-factor is pretty narrow - had to crack the plastic cadence Garmin magnet holder and take the magnet out, and tape it to the crank arm - as otherwise it was touching the chainstay (just barely but still). But yeah, definitely narrower than the X5 crank I had there before.

    Great product, let's hope they make enough for everybody and not just for the eBay seller guys. And that the distributors don't change quantities after they promise them to shops. Easy, right?

    I agree the 156Q is pretty narrow, but obviously it depends on your frame. On my Santa Cruz Highball carbon frame (hardtail) I still have ~1cm between the rubber crank boots (RaceFace, I added) and the chainstays. Glad I got the 156Q though, because the 168Q would have had a huge gap....
  • 01-28-2013
    RockyJunky
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by ypocat View Post
    Got my package today, already installed. Trying the gripshift first - you basically shift by thought, lol.

    The 156Q-factor is pretty narrow - had to crack the plastic cadence Garmin magnet holder and take the magnet out, and tape it to the crank arm - as otherwise it was touching the chainstay (just barely but still). But yeah, definitely narrower than the X5 crank I had there before.

    Great product, let's hope they make enough for everybody and not just for the eBay seller guys. And that the distributors don't change quantities after they promise them to shops. Easy, right?

    +1. Should be easy, but bike companies love to create the illusion of demand.