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    Leonardi Racing 942 Cassette 10 speed

    Here we go pushing the boundaries:

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    After the General Lee 3-cogs modification to existing 11x32, Leonardi racing is coming out with a complete cassette 9x42, 10 speed. 9-11-13-15-18-21-24-29-35-42 all in steel, with a version with aluminum 29-35-42. Probably expensive ... but still you can upgrade straight from 10 speed at the cost of cassette + SRAM driver (if your wheel allows it). There will also be a 9-40 and a 11 speed version.

    Leonardi Racing lancia il pacco pignoni 9-42 a 10 velocità - MtbCult.it

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    Looking at the ratios it is quite impressive.

    Single: 32 chain ring 9 x 42 cassette: gear ratio 3.56 to 0.76
    Double: 28 and 40 chain rings 11x36: gear ratio 3.64 to 0.78

    You need a 42 chain ring to get more range, and of course a 26/42 (or a triple) would have wider range ... and so would have a double with a 9x42

    Nice thing with a single 9x42 is that most of the time one would use the 11 to 35 cogs, with the 42 as bail out gear, and the 9 as overdrive. I am actually happy with 30 11x36, and 11x42 would be plenty, but it is kind of exciting to see how many smart solution to the 1xsomething are coming out.

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    Good idea and been talked about on here for a 10 spd cassette with a similar range. But I read somewhere in a related thread (probably Budget XX1 and a link?? which I can't find at the moment...) about a 9t cog not being useful with a chain setup such as on a bike. 10 tooth pushes the limits, but the size of a 9 was a disadvantage. Link was an engineering article based on gear reductions etc.
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    Wait whuuut, who did he tell you that!?!?....

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    Quote Originally Posted by JMac47 View Post
    Good idea and been taked about on here for a 10 spd cassette with a similar range. But I read somewhere in a related thread (probably Budget XX1 and a link?? which I can't find at the moment...) about a 9t cog not being useful with a chain setup such as on a bike. 10 tooth pushes the limits, but the size of a 9 was a disadvantage. Link was an engineering article based on gear reductions etc.
    Ya, it was touched on briefly in the Canfield Microdrive thread:

    Canfield Microdrive 9 tooth cassette

    Not sure if a 9T is needed or not - I barely ever use the 10T on my setup, and cant think of a time where I wished there was one more.

    Does give a nice wide spread of ratios though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 006_007 View Post
    Ya, it was touched on briefly in the Canfield Microdrive thread:

    Canfield Microdrive 9 tooth cassette

    Not sure if a 9T is needed or not - I barely ever use the 10T on my setup, and cant think of a time where I wished there was one more.

    Does give a nice wide spread of ratios though.
    Thanks Double O, yeah that's it! Usually better at research......

    And you're right, I think the need for that "wide range" 10spd cassette everyone's requesting is growing with the current 1x movement. Thinking it won't be too long before the big S name players will put something together, well Shimano anyway .
    Wait whuuut, who did he tell you that!?!?....

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    Nice thing in respect to the Canfield is the spacing of the Leonardi Racing. Canfield has 9, 10 and 11: a lot of gears where you need them least. LR has 8 gears in the range we use most (11-13-15-18-21-24-29-35), plus 42, and the 9 overdrive that one can indeed probably forget about in most occasions ... LR is also coming out with a 10x42 10 speed.

    Good model to imitate, and I do wish Shimano came out with something even simpler: an 11x42 ten speed

    (I hope so especially because I am moving to ten speed as we speak .. I'll hate to be outdated in 2 months by yet another 11 or 12 or 14 speed )

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    Quote Originally Posted by Davide View Post
    Nice thing in respect to the Canfield is the spacing of the Leonardi Racing. Canfield has 9, 10 and 11: a lot of gears where you need them least. LR has 8 gears in the range we use most (11-13-15-18-21-24-29-35), plus 42, and the 9 overdrive that one can indeed probably forget about in most occasions ... LR is also coming out with a 10x42 10 speed.

    Good model to imitate, and I do wish Shimano came out with something even simpler: an 11x42 ten speed

    (I hope so especially because I am moving to ten speed as we speak .. I'll hate to be outdated in 2 months by yet another 11 or 12 or 14 speed )
    Dont think you need to worry about 12 speed stuff in MTB yet as it hasnt gained traction in the roadie world (yet). I am guessing the whole Di2 electric shifting is going to eventually come our way though. No more cables to mess with.

    Would love to see that for dropper posts. Just sayin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Davide View Post
    Nice thing in respect to the Canfield is the spacing of the Leonardi Racing. Canfield has 9, 10 and 11: a lot of gears where you need them least. LR has 8 gears in the range we use most (11-13-15-18-21-24-29-35), plus 42, and the 9 overdrive that one can indeed probably forget about in most occasions ... LR is also coming out with a 10x42 10 speed.

    Good model to imitate, and I do wish Shimano came out with something even simpler: an 11x42 ten speed

    (I hope so especially because I am moving to ten speed as we speak .. I'll hate to be outdated in 2 months by yet another 11 or 12 or 14 speed )
    I wish there was a derailleur that could smoothly jump up/down from @ 18 or 16t to an 11 or 12t
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    Just got a preliminary quote from LR and the 942 will be coming out at around the 380 Euro mark. The upgrade to 942 using LR would be much cheaper than going XX1/XX0 and give you one more gear, but still, big $$$ ... the 42 cog from One Up and Woolf Tooth are obviously way cheaper solutions at the price of two less gears.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Davide View Post
    Just got a preliminary quote from LR and the 942 will be coming out at around the 380 Euro mark. The upgrade to 942 using LR would be much cheaper than going XX1/XX0 and give you one more gear, but still, big $$$ ... the 42 cog from One Up and Woolf Tooth are obviously way cheaper solutions at the price of two less gears.

    Wont give you one more gear (there is still only 10 total) it will give you one more ratio (and it is debatable if that is needed - early adopters of the XX1/X01 have not reported running out of gearing).

    Agree more options are good though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Davide View Post

    Good model to imitate, and I do wish Shimano came out with something even simpler: an 11x42 ten speed
    I'd be content with 11-40.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 92gli View Post
    I'd be content with 11-40.
    I could see being pretty content with a 10/38-40 10 spd matched up on a 1x setup for all the terrain conditions where I ride.
    Wait whuuut, who did he tell you that!?!?....

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    The ratio from 9 to 11 is big, roughly speaking it is close to a drop 14 to 11 with a 28-32 chain ring. That's way I shortcut the comment saying that the 9 will give you two more "gears" in respect to 11. But I agree, unless one is racing or lives in very steep country I am not sure one needs more than 11x42 or 11x40.

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    Is it even possible for a mountain RD to have enough chain capacity for the 42 AND be able to drop down to the 9 ?

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    33T spread? For sure.
    In a single ring application some short cages could do it.
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    9T was tried in BMX - and given up upon - after the hub bodies shredded apart. And these bikes are much lighter and are 1:1, this idea will be soon within the catacombs of failure.

    10spd 13-38T x 35T for the win...
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    Any word on when this cassette is going to be available? Last I heard it was to be released December 2013.

    I would really like to try the 942 on my Ti build in conjunction with X9-T2 derailuer and X0 shifter. I have an opportunity to pick-up these other components at half price, but am hesitant to do so without the 942 available. I could build it up with an 11-36 cassette, add a Oneup 42t cog and wait, but if the 942 never materializes then I am stuck with the 11t cog top gear.

    If proven functional the 9t cog would be ideal for my purposes. I could settle for 10t cog top gear if I had to, but an 11t just isn't going to cut it in a 1x configuration. If it did then I wouldn't be looking outside the 11-36 cassettes readily available. I do realize the X01 is available with 10t cog, but I am just not comfortable with that groupset, especially it's incompatibilities and pricing.

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    Leonardi Racing 9x42 Cassette 10 speed

    Yeah...^^^^^

    Price, vendor/distributor or source, and availability?

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    Recon has a 11-40...and its available.
    Recon Aluminum 10 Speed Mountain Cassette : Fairwheel Bikes, Cycling Boutique

    Thing for me is the slow shifting in the high gears. Its not as simple as Shimano making a wide range cassette. Its also developing a rear derailleur that can handle the 42T without cranking the b-tension that far in. My RD (XT Shadow Plus) does not like to be shifted fast in the high gears. XX1 shifts fast and smooth in any gear.

    The wide range 1x10 will give you most of the range of XX1...but it don't give you the shifting performance...for that...you have to pay to play.

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    Any new or updated info on the Leonardi 942? Like if or when or where it will be available for purchase? I really want one,,,or two!!!
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    I currently run the General Lee 29-35-40 on my XTR set up with a 30t up front...works like charm..shifts great throughout the whole range.

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    BOX components is working on a wide range 10spd cassette AND rear derailleur combo

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    That's nice, but it's 11-42. For me and the riding that I do, I would still prefer the Leonardi 9-42. Plus it's all steel, so it will last longer and it's still pretty light.
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    Leonardi announced that they are starting the manufacturing of their 942 cassette. I don't see why you would really need the 9t cog...unless you're planning on riding down fire roads.

    Bet it's going to be expensive.

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    Leonardi Racing 9x42 Cassette 10 speed

    Seems to me any chain will be difficult to run with 9T cog
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    Thats why SRAM went with the 10T (from what I read). The 9T is too small for the chain to wrap around...or the links are too long...or something of that nature.

    If the cassette is priced "reasonably"...may get one.

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    Nope, 9t works just fine. They wouldn't bother making it if it didn't work. I have a couple friends who have been using their own for awhile now with no issues. I'm definitely going to get one when they come out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Philip Clemmons View Post
    Yeah...^^^^^

    Price, vendor/distributor or source, and availability?
    I've been talking with a distributor, and I've been told that this product is going to be released soon. LR is testing it hard before release it.
    About price... still not announced yet

    For now only the revised version of General Lee of 40 and 42T for Sram and Shimano cassettes

    Waiting for 942...

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    Quote Originally Posted by RS VR6 View Post
    Thats why SRAM went with the 10T (from what I read). The 9T is too small for the chain to wrap around...or the links are too long...or something of that nature. ....:
    In the bikeradar article sram said the 9t works but caused a polygon (?) effect, made the pedaling action pulse and feel squared off.

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    Maybe polygon (multiple straight lines with an angle inbetween) as opposed to a circle.
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    942: 319 Euros = 440 USD.
    938: 299 Euros = 412 USD.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RS VR6 View Post
    942: 319 Euros = 440 USD.
    938: 299 Euros = 412 USD.
    Where is it for sale here? And by here, I mean in the US.
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    Saw it on their Facebook page. Leonardi Factory.

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    Cool, thanks.
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    I both the onecomponents 42T ring and it works well with my 11-36 cassette problem is I could really use a 10T (10spd) I have been searching the net but cant find one...Help. I can't see a 10T working and especially a 9t but am willing to try. Around here I could use a 36T with a 11X32 and be happy but on longer rides in the mnts Id prefer a 32T and a 10X42

    Please let me know on the 10spd 10T

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    I have read somewere that Leonardi are working on a 11 speed cassette for sram 11 speed derailleurs.
    Can we hope for a 9-46 cassette? This could be THE final answer for the range missing in real mountains

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    Again,... I have just read the chart they provide on facebook and they just need to ad a 45t to they already existing 9-38 10speed cassette to obtain a 9-45 11speed cassette with 500% range!!!
    The only question... is a sram 11speed derailleur capable to shift from 38 to 45?

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    The 942 seems to be nice, does anyone know if it will work with 30 or 32T Race face narrow/wide chain ring on SLX crank, KMC X10 SL Chain, Shimano XT Clutch long derailleur, with slx shifter? and do you need a special hub or is it compatible with any?

    Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aruman View Post
    The 942 seems to be nice, does anyone know if it will work with 30 or 32T Race face narrow/wide chain ring on SLX crank, KMC X10 SL Chain, Shimano XT Clutch long derailleur, with slx shifter? and do you need a special hub or is it compatible with any?

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    It should work with all the above. Only thing you'd need is a XD driver hub.

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    Ok tanks a lot, but will that XD hub fit the Giant XTC Advanced 27.5 3 rear rims?

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    We see & read about the various additions of the 40t,42 cassette rings from independent manuf but yet nothing on the small end, ie 10 & 9t. The 1x systems people are converting to could use a 10t due to spinning out using a 30t chainring on long downhill runs where speeds reach 25-30mph. Is replacing the 11t with a 10t cog that difficult to manuf?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ijd View Post
    It should work with all the above. Only thing you'd need is a XD driver hub.
    The 942 is a 10 speed cassette. It'll work with your standard hub body...if it needs an XD driver...it would defeat its purpose.

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    No, because of the 9 tooth cog, it actually does need the XD hub driver, see link below. It also says it on Leonardi's Facebook page.

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    My bad...I thought they had some other way of mounting that 9T.

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    LOL, no worries bro.
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    Looking great! The advantage I see of this is the fact that you'll be able to use many different manufacturer's hub. I've been running a modified Canfield Brothers set up since Feb and loving it. It's a bit heavy but proves the concept that the 9 tooth works and gives a great wide range cassette with a 38 tooth action tec cog. I will be experimenting soon with the Absolute Black Cassette cogs because the 42 would be a bit too low and have too large a gap between some gears.

    Here's the Absolute Black stuff:
    Cassette Adapter 28-40

    And here's the set up with the 9 tooth micro gear:
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    That's pretty cool G. The Absolute Black looks similar to the General Lee, except with the General Lee, you don't have to lose the 17 or 11. You just use a Sram 1030/1050/1070 and take off the top 4 and replace them with the Gen Lee 4.

    P.s. how was New Zeleand and how's the new Turner? I heard you were ill on the trip, bummer.
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    Yeah, the A/B looks good, but your still in the same boat...taking out a cog to make it fit....the one complaint I keep hearing from the friends that just do the 40t or 42t cog....the rest of the shifting down below takes a hit performance wise....and want to swap out a 16t for the 15t blah blah blah...

    .....just spend the extra money and do it right the first time instead of bandaids.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shredman69 View Post
    That's pretty cool G. The Absolute Black looks similar to the General Lee, except with the General Lee, you don't have to lose the 17 or 11. You just use a Sram 1030/1050/1070 and take off the top 4 and replace them with the Gen Lee 4.

    P.s. how was New Zeleand and how's the new Turner? I heard you were ill on the trip, bummer.
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    I agree the GL you don't have to loose the 17 or 11. However, my set up with the Canfield Brothers and the SLX gear set now works out even better. See, the 11-34 SLX cassette came with the 19. So put the CB set up together with the 19 and AB cogs and you get a spread that looks like this:

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    With the 20 granny and the 29 big it works great AND you get a super nice spread. The 9 tooth I think is the key here. The only change I might do is replacing the 29 with a 30.

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    Any new word on this? Anyone acquire one yet? I've been hearing rumors of Canfield Brothers stopping sales of their 9 tooth, 10 speed stuff. That's disturbing. The message I got from them was they're looking for manufacturers for the cogs. Then I heard from someone else that they've stopped...........

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