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    Issue Shifting to from 9th to 8th Cog on 9 speed cassete

    Okay I got a new slx 9 speed derauiller and deore 9 speed shifters and 9 speed sram cassette. Everything was installed and worked great and is less then a month old. For some reason I am now having some hesitation shifting from the 9th cog to the 8th cog (second smallest).

    From what I remember it shifted almost instantaneously (about a quarter of a pedal rotation). Now it seems to click and hesitate a bit but still shifts but it takes almost a full pedal rotation). I cant seem to figure it out. I have tried everything. At this point I even replaced the cable housing and housing end caps and installed new cable all together and still the issue persists. I took the hanger off as well and laid it on a piece of glass its perfectly straight no bends.

    All other shifting is crisp and perfect it just that one shift. The only thing I can think of at this point is maybe there is a issue with the shifter itself and its not clicking and locking far enough to put the derailleur in the correct position.

    One other thing to note. Turning the barrel adjuster counter clockwise seems to have no effect at all on this particular gear shift it does not make the shift quicker which I always remember it doing before. Even if I turn it further then it should be it still the same delay in the 9th to 8th cog shift. It definitely effects all the other gears though so I know its working.

    Any suggestions would be helpful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Strife21 View Post
    I took the hanger off as well and laid it on a piece of glass its perfectly straight no bends.
    That has very little to do with whether or not it is straight on the bike but I don't think the hanger is your problem, tightening the cable should definitely quicken that shift though. Mysterious.

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    Try adjusting your high limit.

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    I tried the high limit. Why would that effect going to the second smallest cog though?

    Even if I make the high limit so tight that it barely shifts to the smallest cog it still has a delay when shifting down to the the second smallest cog.

    This is driving me nuts haha. Unless I bent something when I was reattaching the new cables.

    The chain is a month old as well, you dont think a chain issue would be causing this do you?

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    Issue Shifting to from 9th to 8th Cog on 9 speed cassete

    Quote Originally Posted by Strife21 View Post
    Okay I got a new slx 9 speed derauiller and deore 9 speed shifters and 9 speed sram cassette. Everything was installed and worked great and is less then a month old. For some reason I am now having some hesitation shifting from the 9th cog to the 8th cog (second smallest).

    From what I remember it shifted almost instantaneously (about a quarter of a pedal rotation). Now it seems to click and hesitate a bit but still shifts but it takes almost a full pedal rotation). I cant seem to figure it out. I have tried everything. At this point I even replaced the cable housing and housing end caps and installed new cable all together and still the issue persists. I took the hanger off as well and laid it on a piece of glass its perfectly straight no bends.

    All other shifting is crisp and perfect it just that one shift. The only thing I can think of at this point is maybe there is a issue with the shifter itself and its not clicking and locking far enough to put the derailleur in the correct position.

    One other thing to note. Turning the barrel adjuster counter clockwise seems to have no effect at all on this particular gear shift it does not make the shift quicker which I always remember it doing before. Even if I turn it further then it should be it still the same delay in the 9th to 8th cog shift. It definitely effects all the other gears though so I know its working.

    Any suggestions would be helpful.
    Loosen and reset the cable. Readjust the indexing.

    Check the high limit while the cable is disconnected.
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    yea did all that multiple times. I'm wondering if the shifter is just not clicking into the exact right position or something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Strife21 View Post
    yea did all that multiple times. I'm wondering if the shifter is just not clicking into the exact right position or something.
    Then you need to realign the hanger--on the bike, with the proper tool--and do it again.

    Still betting on a basic setup issue.
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    I will try redoing everything again when I get home. If it doesn't work after that I guess Ill have to take it to the shop and let them realign since I don't have the tool. Would the B tension screw cause an issue like this?

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    Issue Shifting to from 9th to 8th Cog on 9 speed cassete

    Quote Originally Posted by Strife21 View Post
    Would the B tension screw cause an issue like this?
    Maybe.
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    it just seems weird to me turning tightening the cable has no effect on that one particular down shift.

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    I have a old hanger that is the same type that the bike shop straightened out for me in the past using that tool that I can try as well. At least then Ill have an idea if it has something to do with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Strife21 View Post
    it just seems weird to me turning tightening the cable has no effect on that one particular down shift.
    Incorrect base cable position does that.
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    Issue Shifting to from 9th to 8th Cog on 9 speed cassete

    Quote Originally Posted by Strife21 View Post
    I have a old hanger that is the same type that the bike shop straightened out for me in the past using that tool that I can try as well. At least then Ill have an idea if it has something to do with it.
    I would not bother. No guaranty it is still straight when mounted.
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    even if it was on this bike frame? They straightened it and everything worked then I replaced it with a one I ordered from cannondale that was never bent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shiggy View Post
    Incorrect base cable position does that.
    When you say base cable position do you mean base tension? Can you explain in more detail?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Strife21 View Post
    even if it was on this bike frame? They straightened it and everything worked then I replaced it with a one I ordered from cannondale that was never bent.
    Yup, though if you never aligned the new hanger it was likely misaligned from day one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shiggy View Post
    Yup, though if you never aligned the new hanger it was likely misaligned from day one.
    I had no idea you had to align a hanger if it was brand new.

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    Issue Shifting to from 9th to 8th Cog on 9 speed cassete

    Quote Originally Posted by Strife21 View Post
    When you say base cable position do you mean base tension? Can you explain in more detail?
    http://www.parktool.com/blog/repair-...nts-derailleur
    Scroll down to "Index Setting"

    I will add, if it takes more than a few clicks of the barrel adjuster to make the first shift, you need to completely release the shifter, disconnect the cable from the RD. Run the barrel adjuster out 1-1.5 full turns from all the way in. Then pull the cable snug and reattach.

    I like to do the fine tune (as mentioned on the Park site) on the third smallest cog, after making sure it took 2 clicks of the shifter to get there.
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    Issue Shifting to from 9th to 8th Cog on 9 speed cassete

    Quote Originally Posted by Strife21 View Post
    I had no idea you had to align a hanger if it was brand new.
    It should ALWAYS be checked. Hangers can be off, and so can the frame.

    Some new hangers will be perfect. Some will be WAY off.
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    Yea I have followed all those instructions perfectly. The shift works in about one full rotation of the pedals but I know it was much shorter before. Turning the barrel adjuster is not making the shift from 9th to 8th any quicker tho. The shift from 8th to 7th is like butter. The issue is only getting from the 9th to 8th cog for some reason. It wasn't like this before and just started happening which is why I am confused.

    I followed those directions to a T, and I have setup this bike numerous times so I am pretty familiar with those instructions you linked. That is why I am so baffled.

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    Maybe when I tightened the bolt down for the cable I did it to hard and bent the hanger slightly. I guess it would be worth it to take to the bike shop and have them align the hanger.

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    Issue Shifting to from 9th to 8th Cog on 9 speed cassete

    Quote Originally Posted by Strife21 View Post
    Yea I have followed all those instructions perfectly. The shift works in about one full rotation of the pedals but I know it was much shorter before. Turning the barrel adjuster is not making the shift from 9th to 8th any quicker tho. The shift from 8th to 7th is like butter. The issue is only getting from the 9th to 8th cog for some reason. It wasn't like this before and just started happening which is why I am confused.

    I followed those directions to a T, and I have setup this bike numerous times so I am pretty familiar with those instructions you linked. That is why I am so baffled.
    Classic bent hanger symptoms.

    But many times I have also seen this issue fixed using the addendum I posted.
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    Is this a SRAM d?

    If so the newer 9spd ones seem a bit cheaper than they used to be and can get a little wiggle @ the base. If you push/pull on it twards the cassette you will be able to tell if it has play there.

    Squaring the hangar to the wheel doesn't help all the time, can be a bit of a ***** aligning the hanger so the d is squared to the wheel if you have to remove the d to adj the hanger

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    its actually a shimano SLX D.

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    You have probably already seen this but give it a quick read. I thought I understood everything and was still missing a few basics. Derailer Adjustment
    This also helped me Bicycle Maintenance: How To Adjust a Rear Derailleur - YouTube
    It honestly sounds like your just not setting your low screw adjustment correctly or maybe your index screw is off. If your indexing screw is not set correctly the teeth on your gears will interfear with each other. If they are new cables I would imagine they are gonna stretch a little and need some fine tunning.

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    Issue Shifting to from 9th to 8th Cog on 9 speed cassete

    Quote Originally Posted by bertrenolds View Post
    You have probably already seen this but give it a quick read. I thought I understood everything and was still missing a few basics. Derailer Adjustment
    This also helped me Bicycle Maintenance: How To Adjust a Rear Derailleur - YouTube
    It honestly sounds like your just not setting your low screw adjustment correctly or maybe your index screw is off. If your indexing screw is not set correctly the teeth on your gears will interfear with each other. If they are new cables I would imagine they are gonna stretch a little and need some fine tunning.
    We have already covered all that.
    The way this video has you set the limit screws is suspect. You can not do it just by looking to see when the pulley is under the cog. You need to turn the cranks and listen, especially for the high limit. The chain should be quiet and not jump. And need to check that the chain does not come off the inside of the large cog when setting the low limit.
    --these can not just be eyeballed!

    In any case, the high (and low) limit screw has no direct affect on the indexing on the other cogs.

    If the "index screw" is the barrel adjuster, we have been through that, too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bertrenolds View Post
    You have probably already seen this but give it a quick read. I thought I understood everything and was still missing a few basics. Derailer Adjustment
    This also helped me Bicycle Maintenance: How To Adjust a Rear Derailleur - YouTube
    It honestly sounds like your just not setting your low screw adjustment correctly or maybe your index screw is off. If your indexing screw is not set correctly the teeth on your gears will interfear with each other. If they are new cables I would imagine they are gonna stretch a little and need some fine tunning.
    I jusst thought the pervious posts were a bit vague, the video was just more of an example but I think its good for people who need a visual example. I by no means know my **** but before you waste money at a shop you should check everything.

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    update:

    Okay so I noticed this as well. If push the shifter to 8th from 9th just to the point the shifter clicks, the gear hesitates before shifting. If press the shifter a bit further after the click and then release the gear seams to engage. You dont think its the shifter do you?

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    Have you checked to make sure your cogs are clean and dont have any bent teeth? I could see a slightly bent tooth causing this...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Strife21 View Post
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    Okay so I noticed this as well. If push the shifter to 8th from 9th just to the point the shifter clicks, the gear hesitates before shifting. If press the shifter a bit further after the click and then release the gear seams to engage. You dont think its the shifter do you?

    That's pretty much the same as adding cable tension so it doesn't make sense to me why turning the barrel adjuster has no effect on that gear. If you turn it enough it should start making noise and then shift to the next cog without even touching the shifter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by J.B. Weld View Post
    That's pretty much the same as adding cable tension so it doesn't make sense to me why turning the barrel adjuster has no effect on that gear. If you turn it enough it should start making noise and then shift to the next cog without even touching the shifter.
    It will cause noise to be made like you said and prevent me from shifting back into 9 if I tighten it but it doesn't seem to help the quickness of the shift

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    Some good info in this thread.. Give yourself an idea of how your d is changing it's angle as it goes through the gears so you can better adj the hanger

    Shift it to the bottom gear and flip the bike over so you can look down at the cassette from back of the bike, now push the cage forward (parallel to the ground) and take note of its angle relative to the cassette. Now shift to the top gear and again push the cage forward to note its angle compared to the cassette. You can also kneel and look from the rear forward when the the cage is perpendicular to give yourself an idea of where it needs to be squared up

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    Quote Originally Posted by Strife21 View Post
    It will cause noise to be made like you said and prevent me from shifting back into 9 if I tighten it but it doesn't seem to help the quickness of the shift

    ??? You aren't standing on the pedals when trying to make this shift are you? The only explanation that makes sense to me is that you somehow fitted a spacer between the 8th and 9th cog, and that seems doubtful.

    If you are checking gears at slower speeds then you might inadvertently be putting more pressure on the pedals during the shift than the others because your cadence is lower. Also, Deore level shifters use more plastic and are more flexible than higher level ones and so will shift much quicker if you employ a slight overshift when shifting into larger sprockets, especially if you ease off a bit during the shift.

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    Quote Originally Posted by J.B. Weld View Post
    ??? You aren't standing on the pedals when trying to make this shift are you? The only explanation that makes sense to me is that you somehow fitted a spacer between the 8th and 9th cog, and that seems doubtful.

    If you are checking gears at slower speeds then you might inadvertently be putting more pressure on the pedals during the shift than the others because your cadence is lower. Also, Deore level shifters use more plastic and are more flexible than higher level ones and so will shift much quicker if you employ a slight overshift when shifting into larger sprockets, especially if you ease off a bit during the shift.

    Yea dude you know maybe this is all in my freaking head. I was kinda shifting at slow speeds as well when checking. and maybe the deore shifters have just kinda flexed a bit since I got them causing this. At this point double checked everything again including making sure the cable was aligned correctly and with correct tension and even filed down the ends of the cable housing. I dont think the hanger is bent cause there is not a issue in any other gear.


    Yea I dont stand on the pedals when I shift I am sitting and easing up like your supposed too. I know I sound stupid this just baffled me. Thanks for all the help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Strife21 View Post
    Yea dude you know maybe this is all in my freaking head. I was kinda shifting at slow speeds as well when checking. and maybe the deore shifters have just kinda flexed a bit since I got them causing this. At this point double checked everything again including making sure the cable was aligned correctly and with correct tension and even filed down the ends of the cable housing. I dont think the hanger is bent cause there is not a issue in any other gear.


    Yea I dont stand on the pedals when I shift I am sitting and easing up like your supposed too. I know I sound stupid this just baffled me. Thanks for all the help.
    Really the symptom from which you suffer suggests classic cable housing grime not allowing the derailleur to drop into high easily. Since you have adjusted the high limit and changed the housing and cables (and I presume you did so correctly) the next best culprit is the hanger. Go get another. If it solves your problem, great. If it doesn't, you have at least explored this option and you need a spare anyway.

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    Issue Shifting to from 9th to 8th Cog on 9 speed cassete

    Quote Originally Posted by Pisgah View Post
    Really the symptom from which you suffer suggests classic cable housing grime not allowing the derailleur to drop into high easily. Since you have adjusted the high limit and changed the housing and cables (and I presume you did so correctly) the next best culprit is the hanger. Go get another. If it solves your problem, great. If it doesn't, you have at least explored this option and you need a spare anyway.
    For the shift from the smallest cog to the next largest? This is not a Rapidrise RD.
    Sounds like shifting onto the small cog is not a problem.
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    Ok so took it to bike shop and asked for hanger alignment (on my brand new hanger i got a few weeks ago) said it was almost perfect but made a very tiny adjustment. This did not solve the issue so I assume its just the way it shifts or maybe I have a bent tooth on the 8th ring. I looked at them very closely and couldn't see any bent ones though.

    Oh and asked him to set cable tension just to confirm I wasn't doing something wrong.

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    I tried my friends trek mamba with alivio parts and his bike shifts very crisp from 9th to 8th every time without putting extra pressure on the shifter. Mine shifts crisply about 40-50%. When I get more money ill try replacing the cassette and shifter and see if either of those fixes the issue. I don't mind having some spare parts around.

    My drive train is all higher level parts so it annoys me haha

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    Quote Originally Posted by shiggy View Post
    For the shift from the smallest cog to the next largest? This is not a Rapidrise RD.
    Sounds like shifting onto the small cog is not a problem.

    How right you are. I read the problem wrong from the beginning.

    With that clarification, it sounds like the eternal quest for perfect shifting. I've given-up on that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pisgah View Post
    How right you are. I read the problem wrong from the beginning.

    With that clarification, it sounds like the eternal quest for perfect shifting. I've given-up on that.
    I'm going to try and replace cassette with a shimano one first then try the shifter if that doesnt work. At that point I am just giving up and will end my quest as well haha.

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    I'm going to try and replace cassette with a shimano one first then try the shifter if that doesnt work. At that point I am just giving up and will end my quest as well haha.
    I went out and tried to adjust my 9-sp Shimano RD to mis shift like this. Could not do it.

    One last stupid question: Are you sure your new derailleur is 9-sp, and not a 10-sp model?
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    There's a bunch of pics when I get time later I will take the chain out of the derailleur and put it on the largest cog and largest chain wheel and and see if its the correct length and take a pick for you guys to verify. I don't think that's the issue though because it worked previously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shiggy View Post
    I went out and tried to adjust my 9-sp Shimano RD to mis shift like this. Could not do it.

    One last stupid question: Are you sure your new derailleur is 9-sp, and not a 10-sp model?

    100% sure says mega 9 right on it. It will always eventually shift just sometimes it will take a full pedal rotation or slightly more. But it always shifts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Strife21 View Post
    100% sure says mega 9 right on it. It will always eventually shift just sometimes it will take a full pedal rotation or slightly more. But it always shifts.
    Ummm...then it IS adjusted OK. You were saying it would not shift.
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    it just doesnt shift as quickly as it used too and I hear clicking like its trying too which is why I was concerned. I never remember having that happen before.

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    Well it turned out to be the cassette replaced with a shimano one and everything works great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Strife21 View Post
    Well it turned out to be the cassette replaced with a shimano one and everything works great.
    that's great news! Congrats!!!

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