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    I need a light 11-36 tooth 9-speed cassette...

    Where can I find one? What do you guys recommend. Im having a hard time even finding one.

    What I need it to have:

    9-speed
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    Prefer lightweight


    Thanks!

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    I think you have to go to 10 speed for light. The SLX was a total disappointment because they didn't use al spiders.
    "It looks flexy"

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    Yes, I agree that the lack of a quality 9-speed 36t cassette is a PITA ... the lack of a nice or even adequate carrier that won't eat aluminum freehubs is annoying - everyone is looking at 10 speed, gotta love planned obsolescence...

    Check out this thread...

    not light-weight by any means - but you could do the same thing with one the many $200-$300 cassettes out there... if you've got the cash.

    The only 9-speed cassette with a 36 that I know of the is the "Deore" level... HG61 (12-36). I don't know anything about the SLX 9-speed with a 36t... is it 11-36 or 12-36.

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    Action Tec

    Couldn't you put a 36t action tec (or similar) cog onto your cassette... ditch the 11?

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    I suppose I could go 12-36, what are my options in that range?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evo-L
    I suppose I could go 12-36, what are my options in that range?
    As mentioned, go with a 11-32 XT, XTR, or PG 990 cassette and remove the 11t (you can use the lockring and the 12t just fine) and add a 36t Action Tec cog

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    I used an 11-32 XT and ditched the 12. I used 11 and never the 12.

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    Or if you want ultimate light weight, get the PG999 cassette (which is an 11-32) then install the Action-Tech Ti 36t gear.

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    Need spacer?

    I'm in the same boat and had not thought of this... great idea. I suppose you need a spacer between the 32 and the 36, yes? If so, is this Action Tec item what you need... "Delrin cog Spacer for 8 or 9 spd., $3.50, 3206" Thanks!

    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbiker72
    As mentioned, go with a 11-32 XT, XTR, or PG 990 cassette and remove the 11t (you can use the lockring and the 12t just fine) and add a 36t Action Tec cog

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    I think the ActionTec 36 comes with a spacer. Ask them when you order. I went with the ActionTec 36 and the locking 11. Used an XTR 11-34, dropped the 12, replaced the 11. Added 50 grams to the cassette.

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    Just wait for the Recon 11-36 Titanium 9 speed cassettes to become available with more of their dealers.
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    Why 36? Are your riding a 29er?

    I assume you had a 26er before? What was the low cassette gear that bike, 34?

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    Yes, a 29er

    Im doing a 1x9 setup, but dont want to totally lose the low end of the current granny gear and mid range rear cassette.

    Im hoping a 36tooth will help with that. After inputting the gears, it seems I can get pretty close.

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    I'd consider a 38 tooth action tec cog if I was running 1x9 on a 29... if one is available.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Malibu412
    I'd consider a 38 tooth action tec cog if I was running 1x9 on a 29... if one is available.
    they do make one, but it's $73 according to their site

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    They make a 39T cog also.
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    38 and 39 sound like crazy talk... no reach issues on a long cage derailleur? anyone run this on a 1x9?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evo-L
    Yes, a 29er

    Im doing a 1x9 setup, but dont want to totally lose the low end of the current granny gear and mid range rear cassette.

    Im hoping a 36tooth will help with that. After inputting the gears, it seems I can get pretty close.
    I have no experience with this one, but it exist.
    http://luckynino.blogspot.com/2010/0...1-3612-36.html

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    If I go the actiontec route, all I do is remove the current 34 tooth, and add the 36 tooth? Does it just unbolt off of the cassette spider?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evo-L
    If I go the actiontec route, all I do is remove the current 34 tooth, and add the 36 tooth? Does it just unbolt off of the cassette spider?
    nope, you leave that end of the cassette alone and remove the 11t. You might need a special lockring to tighten against the 13t cog though.

    An 11-32t cassette is honestly a better fit (in my opinion) for adding a 36t cassette because the first cogs are 11-12-14 so you can remove either the 11t or 12t

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    Hmmmmmm?

    Quote Originally Posted by boomn
    nope, you leave that end of the cassette alone and remove the 11t. You might need a special lockring to tighten against the 13t cog though.

    An 11-32t cassette is honestly a better fit (in my opinion) for adding a 36t cassette because the first cogs are 11-12-14 so you can remove either the 11t or 12t

    So if I ditch the 12, I just put the 11 right up against the 14, and it works out OK.

    I only have an 11-34 here to look at, and on that the 11 fits into the 13, kind of recesses in there. It looks like if I ditch the 13, then the gap between the 11 and 15 is larger than it should be because the 15 does not have the recess.

    Will ditching the 12 on an 11-32 give the same result? Guess it sounds like you have already done it, but let me know if I am missing something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by subydoo
    So if I ditch the 12, I just put the 11 right up against the 14, and it works out OK.

    I only have an 11-34 here to look at, and on that the 11 fits into the 13, kind of recesses in there. It looks like if I ditch the 13, then the gap between the 11 and 15 is larger than it should be because the 15 does not have the recess.

    Will ditching the 12 on an 11-32 give the same result? Guess it sounds like you have already done it, but let me know if I am missing something.
    Sorry, haven't done that personally... just going off of success stories that others have shared

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    Quote Originally Posted by subydoo
    So if I ditch the 12, I just put the 11 right up against the 14, and it works out OK.

    I only have an 11-34 here to look at, and on that the 11 fits into the 13, kind of recesses in there. It looks like if I ditch the 13, then the gap between the 11 and 15 is larger than it should be because the 15 does not have the recess.

    Will ditching the 12 on an 11-32 give the same result? Guess it sounds like you have already done it, but let me know if I am missing something.
    This worked fine on my 11-32 XT cassette. 11-15 would feel like a pretty significant jump when pedaling at that end of the cassette. Put it together and it either works or it doesn't. You can buy a 13 tooth end cog for under $10 as well. Then you would have 13-15-etc.

    I really enjoy my custom gearing. I do wish someone made a 9 or 10 tooth locking cog though. I'd be fine going from 14 to 9. Would be like having overdrive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirthead451
    This worked fine on my 11-32 XT cassette. 11-15 would feel like a pretty significant jump when pedaling at that end of the cassette. Put it together and it either works or it doesn't. You can buy a 13 tooth end cog for under $10 as well. Then you would have 13-15-etc.

    I really enjoy my custom gearing. I do wish someone made a 9 or 10 tooth locking cog though. I'd be fine going from 14 to 9. Would be like having overdrive.
    Back in the 90's someone was making this tinsy little 9 or 10t. Maybe it was called the shark or something? All the teeth were curved like a shark fin.
    "It looks flexy"

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    I've been looking for the same thing for my 1x9 29er that I use for endurance races. The larger Action Tec cog sounds perfect and I'm thinking about adding the 38t for those late in the race efforts. Just a couple questions:
    1) If I use an 11-32 cassette, would it be too big a jump to go from the 32t to the 38t, or should I use an 11-34 cassette?
    2) Can my X-9 mid-cage rd handle a 38t?
    3) Does anyone know if SRAM or Shimano has a decent 11-36 cassette in the works?

    Thanks for your input!

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    What's wrong with the HG-61?

    I don't get it. I've read this thread numerous times. I was ready to order the PG990 cassette (11-32), remove one of the small cogs, and add a 36t from Action Tec. I then caught the piece about the HG-61. It sounds a heck of a lot easier just to buy the HG-61. Is this cogset too heavy? Is it not durable enough? Do you guys just like doing things out of the norm?

    I'm building a 29er 1x9 setup for my son, and really think he can benefit from the 36t. Gimme your thoughts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lampeterbiker
    I don't get it. I've read this thread numerous times. I was ready to order the PG990 cassette (11-32), remove one of the small cogs, and add a 36t from Action Tec. I then caught the piece about the HG-61. It sounds a heck of a lot easier just to buy the HG-61. Is this cogset too heavy? Is it not durable enough? Do you guys just like doing things out of the norm?

    I'm building a 29er 1x9 setup for my son, and really think he can benefit from the 36t. Gimme your thoughts.
    the only two problems have been noted in this thread:

    a) yes, it's heavy. It's 125g or a bit over 1/4lb heavier than an XT-level 11-34t cassette. That's not really too much weight it weight isn't something you care about, but many others 125g extra in just the cassette is a huge difference

    b) any cheaper cassette (i.e. lower than XT or PG990) will cut grooves in your freehub if you have an aluminum freehub

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    The HG-61 weighs almost a full lb. IIRC its listed as being 425 grams.

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    Quote Originally Posted by boomn
    the only two problems have been noted in this thread:

    a) yes, it's heavy. It's 125g or a bit over 1/4lb heavier than an XT-level 11-34t cassette. That's not really too much weight it weight isn't something you care about, but many others 125g extra in just the cassette is a huge difference

    b) any cheaper cassette (i.e. lower than XT or PG990) will cut grooves in your freehub if you have an aluminum freehub

    the action tec cogs are Ti and will also wear grooves, they sell a complete cassette but its all individual cogs no carrier, so unless you have steel freehub, you're probably sol, especially when going to a low gear like 36 or 38

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    Quote Originally Posted by boomn
    the only two problems have been noted in this thread:

    a) yes, it's heavy. It's 125g or a bit over 1/4lb heavier than an XT-level 11-34t cassette. That's not really too much weight it weight isn't something you care about, but many others 125g extra in just the cassette is a huge difference

    b) any cheaper cassette (i.e. lower than XT or PG990) will cut grooves in your freehub if you have an aluminum freehub
    Will the pg980 cut grooves as well?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dan0
    the action tec cogs are Ti and will also wear grooves, they sell a complete cassette but its all individual cogs no carrier, so unless you have steel freehub, you're probably sol, especially when going to a low gear like 36 or 38
    True, but it wouldn't if the base of the cog is wide enough. I haven't seen one up close to know whether it is or not

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dictatorsaurus
    Will the pg980 cut grooves as well?
    There is a carrier but only the 2 or 3 largest cogs are mounted to it versus 5 or 6 cogs on the better cassettes, so the risk is smaller but is still there

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    If using a Shimano hub, the freehub bodies are steel, except for the XTR hub. Freehub is titanium.

    So since they are steel, grooves being cut into the freehub body will be very minimal, if any at all.

    A lot of other manufacturers use aluminum bodies. Chris King offers a stainless steel freehub body.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dictatorsaurus
    Will the pg980 cut grooves as well?

    I use the PG980 on all my bikes. No damage on my Shimano 29 wheels, and after 2 years, very little on my Easton XC Ones from the smaller gears.

    The PG980 has the biggest 3 cogs on an aluminum carrier, so any type of grooving is kept to a minimum.The PG990 has 5 cogs on a carrier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by boomn
    the only two problems have been noted in this thread:

    a) yes, it's heavy. It's 125g or a bit over 1/4lb heavier than an XT-level 11-34t cassette. That's not really too much weight it weight isn't something you care about, but many others 125g extra in just the cassette is a huge difference

    b) any cheaper cassette (i.e. lower than XT or PG990) will cut grooves in your freehub if you have an aluminum freehub
    I want to second these two points that Boomn made. My HG61-9 12-36 weighs 410g + 14g for the lockring. More importantly, I had a terrible time removing it. It took me hours to get it off because it had cut grooves into the aluminum freehub after about 400-500 miles. Even two chainwhips wouldn't get it off so I had to pry it off from the rear with a screwdriver. Unfortunately my bike came with the cassette and aluminum freehub combination from the factory and it definitely isn't ideal. The 12-36 gearing is great on my 29er though.

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    I'm a newbie to mtn biking (once per week for last 3 mos) and I also am interested in 36t for my (9x3 spd) 26er.

    I currently have the stock: Shimano HG-50-9 11-32T
    My bike: Rocky Mtn Element Sport 2010

    From reading this thread:
    1. I need to replace my cassette w XT or PG990 or higher since my current cassette is lower
    2. buy the 36t Action Tec cog......
    is it under "Single Titanium Cogs"
    Teeth Price Ordering #
    36 $78.00 3236
    3. replace the 11t from the new cassette with the 36t action tec?

    Is that correct? any help would be greatly appreciated

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    Quote Originally Posted by phoshizzle99 View Post
    I'm a newbie to mtn biking (once per week for last 3 mos) and I also am interested in 36t for my (9x3 spd) 26er.

    I currently have the stock: Shimano HG-50-9 11-32T
    My bike: Rocky Mtn Element Sport 2010

    From reading this thread:
    1. I need to replace my cassette w XT or PG990 or higher since my current cassette is lower
    2. buy the 36t Action Tec cog......
    is it under "Single Titanium Cogs"
    Teeth Price Ordering #
    36 $78.00 3236
    3. replace the 11t from the new cassette with the 36t action tec?

    Is that correct? any help would be greatly appreciated
    Do yourself a favor and change the front to a 30 tooth. Fixes the entire range for 29ers.
    This is simple to do:
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    If your new to mountian biking....you might be better off just going with an off the shelf "SHIMANO CS-HG61 9-SPEED BIKE CASSETTE DEORE LX XT 12-36" and use your 11t locking ring instead of the 12t provided.....I can find them on Ebay for $50ish...

    If you have already become a weight wiennie you can look up Lucky Nino Cassette's

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    thanks for the quick advice!

    THICKFOG - my bike is actually a 26er not 29er....should I still look into changing out the front COG?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lewke View Post
    If your new to mountian biking....you might be better off just going with an off the shelf "SHIMANO CS-HG61 9-SPEED BIKE CASSETTE DEORE LX XT 12-36" and use your 11t locking ring instead of the 12t provided.....I can find them on Ebay for $50ish...

    If you have already become a weight wiennie you can look up Lucky Nino Cassette's
    The HG61 says it's for a 29er?

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    Quote Originally Posted by phoshizzle99 View Post
    The HG61 says it's for a 29er?
    It'll work on a 26er, I'm using one on my 26er....they were created for 29ner's to offset the bigger wheelset with easier gear ratio's....

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    Quote Originally Posted by lewke View Post
    It'll work on a 26er, I'm using one on my 26er....they were created for 29ner's to offset the bigger wheelset with easier gear ratio's....
    Cool, thanks! I just ordered one from ChainReactionCycles dotcom. I haven't heard of them but some research shows they're legit. It was only $40 USD shipped (next lowest was $55).

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    Quote Originally Posted by phoshizzle99 View Post
    thanks for the quick advice!

    THICKFOG - my bike is actually a 26er not 29er....should I still look into changing out the front COG?
    Hmm... That be up to you on that one. You'll be geared down in every combination.
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    Good Choice Phoshizzle

    As you can see from this thread, I washaving a similar dilemna. I bought the Shimano 12-36 and haven't thought about is since. It has worked flawlessly. My son absolutely loves his 1x9 setup. Personally, I don't worry about saving grams here and there.

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    I just received my HG61 12-36 cassette and have a couple questions:

    - Will this cassette mess up my freehub (some posts said something about ruining the freehub)
    - I tried using my old 11t in place of the 12t but the bike was making a lot of clicking noises when i used the 2 smallest cogs....so i stuck with the 12t and no issue. Does the rear derailleur need adjusting with the 11t?

    ps - I took it up a nasty technical climb (nasty for me at least) and it worked extremely well! i felt i was flying up the hill

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    Quote Originally Posted by phoshizzle99 View Post
    I just received my HG61 12-36 cassette and have a couple questions:

    - Will this cassette mess up my freehub (some posts said something about ruining the freehub)
    - I tried using my old 11t in place of the 12t but the bike was making a lot of clicking noises when i used the 2 smallest cogs....so i stuck with the 12t and no issue. Does the rear derailleur need adjusting with the 11t?

    ps - I took it up a nasty technical climb (nasty for me at least) and it worked extremely well! i felt i was flying up the hill
    It will mess up a freehub body that is alloy rather than steel because the metal is softer. The HG61 does not use a spider-type carrier so the individual gears that you use the most will actually rotate forward with your ride mileage and cut grooves into the freehub body. Not a huge problem until you wear that cassette out or need to service the hub and want to remove the cassette. Since it will have keyed its way into the fh body, you have to reverse index the cassette or the gears that have worn into the fh body the most and then perhaps assist its removal with a deadblow hammer and soft punch.

    I switched to a steel fh body on my 29er and have had no issues with the grooving.

    I'd leave the 12 tooth on if the 11 causes issues.
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    Quote Originally Posted by phoshizzle99 View Post
    I just received my HG61 12-36 cassette and have a couple questions:

    - Will this cassette mess up my freehub (some posts said something about ruining the freehub)
    - I tried using my old 11t in place of the 12t but the bike was making a lot of clicking noises when i used the 2 smallest cogs....so i stuck with the 12t and no issue. Does the rear derailleur need adjusting with the 11t?

    ps - I took it up a nasty technical climb (nasty for me at least) and it worked extremely well! i felt i was flying up the hill
    Allow noobs to share their experience..

    1. I have use HG 61 12-36t for almost a year.. And using my bike for cross country once a week.. The freehub is still fine.. I don't know if you using it for downhill or any extreme biking activity..

    2. Well, as much as I know.. There's some called capacity for the derauilleur to work at their limit range.. So, if you go beyond that limit, perhaps you will find some kind of issue like that noise...

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    thanks, this community is awesome

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    Quote Originally Posted by Malibu412 View Post
    It will mess up a freehub body that is alloy rather than steel because the metal is softer. The HG61 does not use a spider-type carrier so the individual gears that you use the most will actually rotate forward with your ride mileage and cut grooves into the freehub body. Not a huge problem until you wear that cassette out or need to service the hub and want to remove the cassette. Since it will have keyed its way into the fh body, you have to reverse index the cassette or the gears that have worn into the fh body the most and then perhaps assist its removal with a deadblow hammer and soft punch.

    I switched to a steel fh body on my 29er and have had no issues with the grooving.

    I'd leave the 12 tooth on if the 11 causes issues.
    how much does a steel fh cost and can you suggest where to get a deal on one? thanks for the great info!

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    Quote Originally Posted by phoshizzle99 View Post
    how much does a steel fh cost and can you suggest where to get a deal on one? thanks for the great info!
    What is your current rear hub? It might already have a steel freehub body, and if it doesn't replacement parts are specific to the brand and model of hub you have.

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