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    Hope Pro II rebuild pics

    I had a bit of side play, about a mm or so I just recently noticed, so it looked like a good time to finally take some pics to remove the mystery in rebuilding these things. It's always a pleasure to take these things apart. Aside from the cassette lockring tool, this is truly a no special tools needed operation.

    The only part I didn't illustrate here was the removal of the bearings in the freehub body, which will be self-explanatory at that step.

    1. Hub before disassembly. You simply pull on the freehub firmly. You can do one of several things. You can pull the endcap off with a pair of pliers, as they essentially hold the hub together with a tight seal. The body to hub seal also snaps into place. You can also simply pull the freehub and endcap off together, but it's tougher. I use the latter method.

    2. The engagement side of the freehub. Note the pawls, springs, two bearings on the inner side, and the large main seal.

    3&4 The axle shaft, the engagement ring inside the hubshell, and note the groove where the oring inside the endcap resides. Also note there is a thick washer here that separates the hub support bearing from the freehub support bearing.

    5. Endcap and the lockring side of the freehub.
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    Some more pics:

    1. Rotor side and the seal after the black endcap is removed with a pair of pliers.

    2&3 The axle removed. It is removed by tapping from the rotor side. The bearing comes out with it. Note the thick washer.

    4&5. More shots of the engagement ring. The axle is reinstalled by tapping from the drive side. Make sure to seat the bearing until it's flush with the hub.
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    1. The freehub with the springs and pawls removed

    2. The lockring side. Note the sleeve between the bearings is dislodged. It is at this point you can remove the bearings by putting a deep socket in this gap and tapping against the sleeve or against the bearing directly.

    3. Spring installed.

    4&5. The pawls and springs installed. Note the locations for the grease application. These locations will continue to feed the pawl tips with lubrication, but not too much. When I removed the assembly, a good amount I left under the pawls was still there. Get some grease on the tips, as well as an amount on the engagement ring. Not much needed, but if you use too much, you can affect the engagement or disengagement. I used a lighter grease that won't prevent the pawls from being pushed out of the way during freewheeling and won't reduce the amount the pawls go into the engagement ring. Too much and too thick grease will prevent proper engagement and disengagement, so be cautious. Note in the last pic the ridge where the main seal resides. Lubricate this to prevent dirt and water intrusion.
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    The assembly is put back together by installing the black cap on the disc side. Make sure the seal is cleaned and lubed lightly, including the oring on the inside of the cap.

    The freehub is simply pushed onto the hub, over the axle shaft. The main seal snaps into place on the hub. Place silver endcap on the end of the shaft, then use a quick release to clamp it all together tightly. Remove and the hub is ready for the cassette. Make sure nothing is binding and you'll be all set.

    For the seals, I use prep-m. I also checked the outer bearings for lube and found one had little in it. Used prep-m, and also made sure all seal faces had a thin film or residue of grease for water repellancy.

    This whole job can be done in under 30 minutes.
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    Awesome, JC!

    Now I have a reference when I take mine apart. Thanks!

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    very helpfull, hopefully itll be some time yet before i have to service mine.

    how many miles did you get out of them? or were you just itching to take them apart? :0)


    them metal strips look a lot less trouble than the springs of old too...

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    I've been using them since the fall. Sealing is excellent, but as I said, there was a bit of play and I decided to do the whole thing while I was in there in case some grit fell inside. Grease was still very clean and no free water to be found.

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    JC - just a note - I had trouble re-seating the main seal between the freehub body and the hub shell. I couldn't just push the two together and get a good seal. The solution was to seat one half of this seal, and then use the blunt end of teaspoon to pop the remaining edges of the seal into place, while ensuring that a little bit of pressure was being applied to the freehub at the same time.

    It's easy to tell if the seal hasn't seated properly as you will get crazy amounts of drag from the freehub.

    Hope this helps someone - it took me about 2 hours and several hub re-assemblies to figure it out. My main seal was a very hard plastic and seemed a little on the large side. Took about 5 minutes once I worked out how to do it.

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    Nice write-up.
    Is the hub any quieter now?

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    I didn't go to make it quieter. In fact, I made it louder. I like the sound.

    After my first servicing, I inadvertantly added too much lube to the ratchet ring, using Prep M. It made it about as quiet as a DT 240. I use a different lube now that is slipperier and a smaller amount of it. The oem lube is some sort of blue grease, more viscous than PrepM, but they use a small amount because not all that much is needed anyhow.

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    Duuuude... Two words...."Nail cut!!!"
    Just kidding of course... Awesome pictorial...

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    Thanks

    ...for taking the time to put this together.
    I've had mine about 14 months and just got round to servicing the rear one after some creaking developed; the hub is still running smooth.

    I suspect all the grease is washed out from the drive side cap and this moving against the hollow axle.

    Unfortunately I found it is stuck on!

    Now thanks to your thread I know where to apply effort without breaking anything!

    Cheers,

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    Hope & White Industries Hubs

    The internals to the Hope Pro 2 look almost exactly like the White Industries hubs. Does one company share the patent from the other?

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    Hope vs. WTB rear hubs

    J C I just finished to read the both threads about services of the Hopes and WTB rear hubs.
    1. Wich one of them are better value
    2. Are the parts of the Hopes like hub body available in the states and from whom
    3. Have the Hopes bearings a special desing or you can buy the replacements in a baering wharehouse or retail shop.
    This info will help me chosing the hubs for my new built.

    Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Midle Age Warrior
    J C I just finished to read the both threads about services of the Hopes and WTB rear hubs.
    1. Wich one of them are better value
    2. Are the parts of the Hopes like hub body available in the states and from whom
    3. Have the Hopes bearings a special desing or you can buy the replacements in a baering wharehouse or retail shop.
    This info will help me chosing the hubs for my new built.

    Thanks
    1) That is up to JC
    2) http://www.hopetechusa.com/ has all the parts
    3) The bearing are standard, so no worries.. check the diagram below

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    converting from qr to 10 mm bolt-on?

    Thanks for the great instructions!
    To me, it seems like its possible to exchange the axle and rebuild the rear hub from qr to 10 mm bolt on. (or 12 mm of course)
    Anyone tried this, and if - any advice?
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    Bookmarked!

    Nice write up JC. Bookmarked! I found that the QR spacers come off by hand pretty easy.

    Quote Originally Posted by daktari
    Thanks for the great instructions!
    To me, it seems like its possible to exchange the axle and rebuild the rear hub from qr to 10 mm bolt on. (or 12 mm of course)
    Anyone tried this, and if - any advice?
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    Yes it is possible, someone did it a while back and posted teh results on the Turner forum, using one of the new DT Swiss ratcheting TA's. You could also do it with the Hope TA.

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    Thanks JC! I recently pulled my hub apart out of interest and just for the sake of it more then anything.

    It had really only seen a twelve hour endurance event and a few rides from time to time over the last six months in great conditions. Just broken in!

    As expected it was clean and like new inside, so I just pulled apart and cleaned up the engagement side of things and replaced the grease and did the seals. I used tentative amounts of Prep M to keep things loud and free, but as soon as I find something a little less viscous I’ll probably pull it apart again just for piece of mind.

    Thanks again!

    Cheers, Dave.

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    I contacted Hope about the lubricant and they recommended a Mobil grease, but I asked them where to get it, and the tech mentioned in reality, any lube is fine, like Prep M. Just make sure it's water resistant.

    It's very touch to get the very slick automotive cv joint grease, as most are the more sticky ones.

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    Thanx

    Thanks alot for the info. I was having issues, but you showed me the light.
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    No problem. I'm hoping to get enough support for a DIY section, as I've been throwing the idea around to Gregg for a while.

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    Good idea

    Im sure someone out there will have a solution to somebody else's crazy problem. Good luck
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    I just got a set of Pro 2's for my SS so no service needed for a while. Just wondering if Slick Honey is suitable for this purpose when the time comes. I've got a tube and like it's thin/less tacky nature.
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    Thanks, JC!

    I followed your instructions and converted my rear hub to 10mm TA with a DT RWS

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    Nice! I'm going to be doing the same on mine. I've found the Hope skewers to be less than stellar with remaining tight when thrown through the rocks. It's still an ongoing problem.

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    I seem to be one of the lucky few who haven’t had any issues with Hope skewers.

    Even so, the DT conversion looks like a nice little upgrade…

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    Thanks JC for the write up, excellent job.

    Really torn right now between building up a set of Pro II/5.1's or a set up standard flange I9's with 5.1 rims.

    Still researching/reading/thinking, but the Pro II's look like ALOTTA bang for the buck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rscecil007

    Still researching/reading/thinking, but the Pro II's look like ALOTTA bang for the buck.

    they are!

    i9s are very sweet though

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    Quote Originally Posted by crisillo
    they are!

    i9s are very sweet though

    yes they are.

    Both look easily rebuildable by the rider, and the quality/mechanical internals of both seem top notch, although the I9's seem to have the edge due to faster engagement.

    I am still waiting for the I9 standard flange hubs to become available, but the shop is guessing around $600 for a set. That's only $125 more that a similar Hope Pro II/5.1 build.

    Tough decision!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerk_Chicken
    Nice! I'm going to be doing the same on mine. I've found the Hope skewers to be less than stellar with remaining tight ...
    Quote Originally Posted by Crisillo
    I followed your instructions and converted my rear hub to 10mm ...
    Just wanted to check that standard drop outs that uses QR will take a 10mm bolt through?

    Cris, your 575 uses QR and you managed to use a 10mm axel with it? Presume you have to mount the wheel first then slide the axel through?

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    Quote Originally Posted by chinaman
    Just wanted to check that standard drop outs that uses QR will take a 10mm bolt through?

    Cris, your 575 uses QR and you managed to use a 10mm axel with it? Presume you have to mount the wheel first then slide the axel through?
    standard dropouts are 9mm front and 10mm rear...so no problem... I keep the axle on the hub and just tighten or loosen to get it in or out... just like a regular QR
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    Quote Originally Posted by crisillo
    standard dropouts are 9mm front and 10mm rear...so no problem...
    Cheers Cris. That is massively new to me. Am thinking of building a new AM rig and was deciding on whether to go 10mm TA rear or QR? Does not matter now as it will fit any frame with std rear dropouts. But it will be TA.

    BTW loved you new black ano front triangle. Give your LBS a push ... too slow ... too slow

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    Quote Originally Posted by chinaman
    Cheers Cris. That is massively new to me. Am thinking of building a new AM rig and was deciding on whether to go 10mm TA rear or QR? Does not matter now as it will fit any frame with std rear dropouts. But it will be TA.

    BTW loved you new black ano front triangle. Give your LBS a push ... too slow ... too slow

    thanks, chinaman.... yeah.. normally I install the headsets myself..but since it is a CK..I rather do it "right"...also I don't have the tool to whack it out

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    Superb !

    JC - I'd just like to thank you for the step by step service instructions of the Pro II rear. I have found them invaluable when my hub went all squeaky and wrong (with a few hours use it wouldn't spin one complete revolution !!) after I trusted a supposedbly well reputed shop to change my axle from QR to 'bolt in'. Should have done it myself in the first place because in the end I stripped it down with your instructions and put it together correctly.

    It ran a lot better then but a few weeks later I had a slight squeak - turned out the the outboard bearing in the frehup body had no grease in ???

    Cheers dude !
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    Front Pro II and DT Swiss RWS?

    Quote Originally Posted by crisillo
    Thanks, JC!

    I followed your instructions and converted my rear hub to 10mm TA with a DT RWS
    I thinks that's going to be the next upgrade on my prophet.

    Is it possible to convert a front Pro II hub to take a DT Swiss RWS?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Orange Prophet
    I thinks that's going to be the next upgrade on my prophet.

    Is it possible to convert a front Pro II hub to take a DT Swiss RWS?
    not so far.... the front RWS is 9mm and there are no adapters so far.... but send an email to Hope...maybe if we bug them enough they will make them....

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    Good job! Thanks for this...

    Quote Originally Posted by marcus_dukakis
    JC - just a note - I had trouble re-seating the main seal between the freehub body and the hub shell. I couldn't just push the two together and get a good seal. The solution was to seat one half of this seal, and then use the blunt end of teaspoon to pop the remaining edges of the seal into place, while ensuring that a little bit of pressure was being applied to the freehub at the same time.

    It's easy to tell if the seal hasn't seated properly as you will get crazy amounts of drag from the freehub.

    Hope this helps someone - it took me about 2 hours and several hub re-assemblies to figure it out. My main seal was a very hard plastic and seemed a little on the large side. Took about 5 minutes once I worked out how to do it.

    The tip about the main seal behind the hub body definitely helped me out..after several hub re-assemblies!

    Your comment was dead-on...it wasn't seated properly, and created major drag. Like a dumbazz, I thought my grease (Phil's) was too thick, and pulled it apart and re-lubed with some lighter DuMond stuff.

    Turns out it was just the seal.
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    I have a question, after the rebuild, changing the grease was the hub quieter?

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    Well, I opted for a different type of grease that doesn't quiet it down. It does the opposite, in fact. You can add more volume of a viscous lube and it will be quieter for a while, but eventually go back to the way it was sooner or later. If you use too much lube, however, you will end up affecting the engagement and could even possibly cause slipping. The threshold for that is not something I want to experiment with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crisillo
    not so far.... the front RWS is 9mm and there are no adapters so far.... but send an email to Hope...maybe if we bug them enough they will make them....
    An email has been dispatched!

    I take it the rear end is relatively simple to convert?

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    Very. There's actually a thread on the Turner forum somewhere with a picture showing the axle with the skewer inside.

    I have a feeler out to Ventanarama about the parts needed for my conversion.

    I am also awaiting to speak to Phil (had some time troubles) about this conversion and what people are expecting to do with it. I was referred by Don and Monkamoo to do this and Phil was waiting to hear details.

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    I attempted the rear hub rebuild per Jerked Chicken's instructions and everything was going smoothly until I got to the step where you remove the axle. Tapping the rotor side of the axle wasn't doing it for me. Is there a special trick here? Do you just go for it with a wooden mallet?

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    yeah.. just hit the axle from the non-drive side.. just don't go "caveman" on it

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    Quote Originally Posted by crisillo
    yeah.. just hit the axle from the non-drive side.. just don't go "caveman" on it
    When I replaced the bearings in my Hope XC rear hub a short while ago, I used a hole saw to cut a hole just slightly larger than the bearings in a piece of wood. I then placed the drive side of the axle through the hole resting the drive side hub flange on the wood. I then rested another small block of wood on the axle and hammered it out.

    This worked well except for the fact that I ended up having to retension and redish the wheel afterwards due to the drive side spokes being pressed (during the hammering) to better conform to the hub flange.

    Perhaps I didn't go far enough with my woodworking? It occurs to me now that I could have routed some small grooves in the wood so that the spokes would not have been impacted.

    What do the rest of you do to support the hub without pressing on the spokes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by KevinB

    What do the rest of you do to support the hub without pressing on the spokes?
    I just held the wheel "vertically" (tube and tire were installed) with one hand and hit the axle with a rubber mallet... it only took a couple of solid hits to get it moving...
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    Quote Originally Posted by crisillo
    I just help the wheel "vertically" (tube and tire were installed) with one hand and hit the axle with a rubber mallet... it only took a couple of solid hits to get it moving...
    Wow. That's just too easy...

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    Quote Originally Posted by crisillo
    ... I just held the wheel "vertically" (tube and tire were installed) with one hand and hit the axle with a rubber mallet ... it only took a couple of solid hits to get it moving ...
    Expecting delivery of my Hope Pro IIs with DT 5.1 rims and ... DT 10mm RWS thru bolt QR with the Hope conversion bolt thru kit tomorrow.

    Cant wait to have a go ... with this much resource cant go wrong but will keep fingers crossed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chinaman
    Expecting delivery of my Hope Pro IIs with DT 5.1 rims and ... DT 10mm RWS thru bolt QR with the Hope conversion bolt thru kit tomorrow.

    Cant wait to have a go ... with this much resource cant go wrong but will keep fingers crossed.

    You'll love it!


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    Great thread.

    I just finished converting my rear form QR to the DT 10mm TA. Went pretty smoothly, though I noticed a couple of things.

    Taking everything apart was pretty easy, though I used too much rubber mallet and ended up launching the axle and bearing across the living room floor. Ooops.

    I used a piece of pvc to remove the bearing from the old axle and put it on the new.

    Then, when I went to put the new axle and bearing back in, I ended up popping the brake side bearing out. I tapped it back in with a socket, then had to check to make sure both sides were evenly seated. A minor detail, but worth noting.

    Of course, I had tons of drag when I put it back together, so I went back and read the thread, and found the answer--my freewheel seal was not seated. Problem solved.

    Two thumbs up!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Random Drivel
    Taking everything apart was pretty easy, though I used too much rubber mallet and ended up launching the axle and bearing across the living room floor. Ooops.
    that happened to me too

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