• 10-09-2012
    expatrider
    Homebrewed Components gone AWOL?
    Has anyone here had any recent dealings with them? I ordered a single ring over two months ago. Received email confirmation of my order, and then . . . nothing. I knew it would take at least a month, but this is ridiculous. My emails have received no response at all, which leads me to think the worst.
  • 10-09-2012
    irv_usc
    check with the people that have been waiting a year+.

    there's a long thread in the SS forum.
  • 10-09-2012
    expatrider
    Oh, right. So I can kiss that $ goodbye then. What a c0ck$ucker.:madmax:
  • 10-09-2012
    jbf
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by expatrider View Post
    Oh, right. So I can kiss that $ goodbye then. What a c0ck$ucker.:madmax:

    No, my experiance that you will get your stuff, and it really is beautiful product. Just don't wait around staring at your mailbox. It will get there when it gets there ...
  • 10-15-2012
    goodoljake
    Mia
    Dan is MIA for sure. I ordered two simple SRAM spiderless rings on 5/18. Yes, May 18th. I followed up a month ago and he said he never got the order. I can promised I paid the credit card bill four months ago. Anyway, he said he would rush them out and I would have them within three weeks. Of course it has been longer than that and two emails unanswered. BTW, I heard Google dropped him from their checkout service.
  • 10-16-2012
    Cormac
    Seems to me there is a need here that is going unfulfilled. If you had a cnc machine (or regular access to one), could acquire the raw aluminum and titanium at a reasonable cost, and knew how to do the anodizing process you'd have a nice side business. Given that it shouldn't be hard to produce and ship a spiderless chainring in a timely fashion. Even several a day.

    I've read about anodizing, doesn't seem hard to do, just a matter of acquiring the right chemicals. There is a thread about the process on MTBR somewhere about it. As for the shipping thing. Just make sure people get their order within 2 weeks and you'd easily put this other guy out of business! I've not looked to much into it, but from what I've see homebrewed is the only company offering aluminum and titanium spiderless chainrings anodized in your choice of color. There may be others, but I've not heard of or found them. Wish I had a cnc machine now...
  • 10-16-2012
    Shark
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Cormac View Post
    Seems to me there is a need here that is going unfulfilled. If you had a cnc machine (or regular access to one), could acquire the raw aluminum and titanium at a reasonable cost, and knew how to do the anodizing process you'd have a nice side business. Given that it shouldn't be hard to produce and ship a spiderless chainring in a timely fashion. Even several a day.

    I've read about anodizing, doesn't seem hard to do, just a matter of acquiring the right chemicals. There is a thread about the process on MTBR somewhere about it. As for the shipping thing. Just make sure people get their order within 2 weeks and you'd easily put this other guy out of business! I've not looked to much into it, but from what I've see homebrewed is the only company offering aluminum and titanium spiderless chainrings anodized in your choice of color. There may be others, but I've not heard of or found them. Wish I had a cnc machine now...

    You make it sound so easy...lol I think it would eat up alot of time.
  • 10-16-2012
    BShow
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jbf View Post
    No, my experiance that you will get your stuff, and it really is beautiful product. Just don't wait around staring at your mailbox. It will get there when it gets there ...

    You'll get your stuff unless of course you don't - like the other guys that have been waiting almost a year now. And it's a beautiful product, unless of course you got one of the rings sent out from the "bad run" or one of the rings that are failing catastrophically or one of the rings from the poorly heat treated aluminum (or whatever it was) that caused them to wear out in the first ride.

    OP - Sorry to tell you this, but you're in for quite a wait, so just sit back and hope for the best. You might still be able to dispute the charges and have them reversed, but you need to get on that ASAP if you paid with paypal.
  • 10-16-2012
    dwt
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jbf View Post
    No, my experiance that you will get your stuff, and it really is beautiful product. Just don't wait around staring at your mailbox. It will get there when it gets there ...

    +1. My experience exactly.


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  • 10-16-2012
    Cormac
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Shark View Post
    You make it sound so easy...lol I think it would eat up alot of time.

    true enough, but having to wait a year for a chainring is just asinine!
  • 10-17-2012
    dwt
    I waited like everyone else, but it was about 3 months. You know there will be a wait going in.

    I wanted a 31T 104bcd ring, and HB is the only game in town AFAIK. So I ordered my ring and prepared to wait out delivery.

    The product is first rate, looking and working perfectly. I have no complaints.


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  • 10-24-2012
    csutterer
    I was willing to wait 4 to 6 weeks like the website says, or even double that worse case senerio. However, this Sunday will be 7 months of waiting for me.

    I placed my order on 3/28/2012 and still haven't recieved my order.
    I recieved a notice that my order was in the queue to ship on 7/2/2012, but nothing ever came and the U.S.Postal Service tracking number never checked out, they never recieved it.
    I've tried to email him several times, even at the new email addresses and still no response.
    Unless you're willing to give this guy a 7 month cash advance I'd be very cautious about placing an order.
  • 10-24-2012
    expatrider
    Yeah - I really don't care how good the product is. This is just bad business. Who the hell can wait a year or more for anything, let alone a simple facking chainring. It's not like we're talking about a custom carbon bike built by someone who you know has a one year waiting list. Don't they build stealth bombers in less time than some people have been waiting for their rings? This guy, whoever he is, is a facking monkey ****** hat, and I have no hope of ever getting my chain ring.:madmax: Hopefully enough people see this thread that they don't chuck their money away like I have done.
  • 10-24-2012
    Mr.Magura
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Cormac View Post
    true enough, but having to wait a year for a chainring is just asinine!

    Buy a lathe and a milling machine, add a rotary table, and you got your rings in like an afternoon :D

    Add another hour or so for the anodizing :thumbsup:


    Magura :)
  • 10-24-2012
    yeti575nut
    never tried them...
  • 10-24-2012
    POG
    Something about me ordering custom chainrings apparently takes people/companies down. I took out Boone/Brown, Warhawk Industries, and now Homebrewed. Just a shame shimano won't give some options on chainrings.
  • 11-02-2012
    Dan.Joy
    3/16 here and still nothing, and not one email replied to.
  • 11-02-2012
    crclawn
    I ordered a bash from HBC. Wish I would have read some threads before ordering. Oh well, made a bash from a 39t ring.
  • 11-02-2012
    riiz
    This why I am so glad that MRP produces the bling-ring. I got lucky, I already had the Sram crank, but the spiderless 1x10 system works really well, and I didnt have to wait a year for a 30 tooth chainring.
  • 11-02-2012
    TheMachinist
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Cormac View Post
    Seems to me there is a need here that is going unfulfilled. If you had a cnc machine (or regular access to one), could acquire the raw aluminum and titanium at a reasonable cost, and knew how to do the anodizing process you'd have a nice side business. Given that it shouldn't be hard to produce and ship a spiderless chainring in a timely fashion. Even several a day.

    I've read about anodizing, doesn't seem hard to do, just a matter of acquiring the right chemicals. There is a thread about the process on MTBR somewhere about it. As for the shipping thing. Just make sure people get their order within 2 weeks and you'd easily put this other guy out of business! I've not looked to much into it, but from what I've see homebrewed is the only company offering aluminum and titanium spiderless chainrings anodized in your choice of color. There may be others, but I've not heard of or found them. Wish I had a cnc machine now...

    I have four CNC mills, but getting a new product going is a lot more work than just throwing some aluminum on a mill. Design and fitment takes time. Dan has lots of different styles to fit different cranks. Anodizing is a little sketchy. The EPA would not be happy with garage anodizing operations.

    I intend to try my hand at making some chainrings and cogs for my SS someday. It's just hard to get to it while keeping the rest of the business running. I have lots of ideas that I want to mess with.
  • 11-03-2012
    Shark
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Cormac View Post
    true enough, but having to wait a year for a chainring is just asinine!

    I totally agree!!!!

    Glad I got my 30t ring from andersen machine, pretty sure it was within a week!
  • 11-03-2012
    StiHacka
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by riiz View Post
    This why I am so glad that MRP produces the bling-ring. I got lucky, I already had the Sram crank, but the spiderless 1x10 system works really well, and I didnt have to wait a year for a 30 tooth chainring.

    This. Plus the bling ring is properly offset for chain guides.
  • 11-05-2012
    River19
    Sounds like a crapshow.....never would consider ordering a thing from them. Houses get built in less time.....heck, my wife and I built a log cabin on weekends in only 50 weeks, you think someone could shite out a couple hundy chainrings in that time.....
  • 11-06-2012
    car bone
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Cormac View Post
    Seems to me there is a need here that is going unfulfilled. If you had a cnc machine (or regular access to one), could acquire the raw aluminum and titanium at a reasonable cost, and knew how to do the anodizing process you'd have a nice side business. Given that it shouldn't be hard to produce and ship a spiderless chainring in a timely fashion. Even several a day.

    I've read about anodizing, doesn't seem hard to do, just a matter of acquiring the right chemicals. There is a thread about the process on MTBR somewhere about it. As for the shipping thing. Just make sure people get their order within 2 weeks and you'd easily put this other guy out of business! I've not looked to much into it, but from what I've see homebrewed is the only company offering aluminum and titanium spiderless chainrings anodized in your choice of color. There may be others, but I've not heard of or found them. Wish I had a cnc machine now...


    If you send me a heidenhein machine (preferably) or fanuc I will machine this crap for all of you. Quickly too. Like magic.
  • 11-06-2012
    car bone
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by icantdrive65 View Post
    I have four CNC mills, but getting a new product going is a lot more work than just throwing some aluminum on a mill. Design and fitment takes time. Dan has lots of different styles to fit different cranks. Anodizing is a little sketchy. The EPA would not be happy with garage anodizing operations.

    I intend to try my hand at making some chainrings and cogs for my SS someday. It's just hard to get to it while keeping the rest of the business running. I have lots of ideas that I want to mess with.

    You probably need to order a new cnc to make it happen. honestly. If you have business now that is. most cnc shops i have worked in are 24/7 businesses, the machines are always busy. Luckily i can make all my own **** with manual machines, grinders, drill presses and yes you guessed it, (drumroll) A HACKSAW & A FILE.
  • 11-06-2012
    TheMachinist
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by car bone View Post
    Luckily i can make all my own **** with manual machines, grinders, drill presses and yes you guessed it, (drumroll) A HACKSAW & A FILE.

    I'd like to see that chainring. :D
  • 11-06-2012
    car bone
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by icantdrive65 View Post
    I'd like to see that chainring. :D

    thats one component thats not included in my own ****. chainrings and cassettes I buy. Steel! lowest shimano series available. lasts for ages.
  • 11-07-2012
    Mr.Magura
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by icantdrive65 View Post
    I'd like to see that chainring. :D

    Here you go :D


    Magura :)
  • 11-07-2012
    expatrider
    WTF?? Someone gave me negative rep for starting this thread!!! Ha Ha. They even made a comment: "watch what you say" (gotta love those e-gangstas - so tough). Probably the same arse wipe who ripped me off for the chainring.
  • 11-07-2012
    crclawn
    ^^^Did he/she have the balls to leave their name...... I doubt it. U just got rep.
  • 11-07-2012
    expatrider
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by crclawn View Post
    ^^^Did he/she have the balls to leave their name...... I doubt it. U just got rep.

    Ha Ha . . . you'll no doubt be surprised to learn that the tough guy didn't have the balls to leave his name next to his threat.
  • 11-09-2012
    Darkstar187
    i got ripped myself i ordered a ring back in july tried to dispute it on Paypal but to much time has elapsed!! there goes 40 bucks!
  • 11-09-2012
    mojojojoaf
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by expatrider View Post
    Ha Ha . . . you'll no doubt be surprised to learn that the tough guy didn't have the balls to leave his name next to his threat.

    I had the same thing happen to me when I got upset about not hearing back from HBC- his website at the time said it would be a month for delivery, at about a month I sent some inquiries to see where the shipment was. No answer, posted it on the SS forum in the thread following his work, and BAM some butt wipe goes off on me. Neg rep followed neg rep and so on. You would have thought I had punched the Mother Teresa in the face when all I was asking for is an update.

    Well I got my money back from Dan, and not more than two months after that everything starts going down hill real fast- people were coming out of the wood work talking about the delays or like you getting nothing. Wait a year for delivery?

    HA! I call BS on that crap and whoever wants to can neg rep me until the cows come home or ban me- MTBR is not the only MTB sight to go to. I rarely ever leave neg rep or rant but HBC and Dan and his disciples can suck eggs. I haven't checked that thread since I noticed how bad things had gotten but I would never deal with Dan ever.
  • 11-10-2012
    FLMike
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by StiHacka View Post
    This. Plus the bling ring is properly offset for chain guides.

    Plus Plus MRP makes batches of these at a given time and only takes orders when theyre in stock... they dont take money or sell rings they dont already have on hand ready to ship.

    This exactly how most one man operations screw themselves. By taking orders on products they intend to make.

    Reminds me of a guy from a motorcycle site, advrider.com, who was making aluminum panniers from his garage. Awesome product and price, but the guy just couldnt keep up with demand. I had to keep up on him and luckily I got my product within 2 months, but some people waited a year. I ended up blasting him in a review on the site, where he would openly say on the forum to me that my product shipped, then moments later in a private message ask me for my address again because he forgot to ship them.
  • 11-10-2012
    POG
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Shark View Post
    I totally agree!!!!

    Glad I got my 30t ring from andersen machine, pretty sure it was within a week!

    Thanks for posting about this company. Everybody better order from them soon - I plan to order something so they will be out of business pretty quickly. Another notch on my chainring belt...
  • 11-11-2012
    scyule
    Myself, I've been waiting since APRIL.
    I bought a few things from him in the past and waited a couple of months, but this is something different.

    I'm thinking that it must require action at his end to ACCEPT PAYPAL payments,
    Someone is obviously awake at his end placing and paying for magazine ad space at his end.
    which means he isn't dead or in a coma.... So is he not committing FRAUD at this point.?.. Takiing peoples money and REFUSING to either ship the product or answer inquiries.

    In the past I've read peoples posts defending this guy as an eccentric, or somehow feeling that the quality of his work makes being CHEATED worthwhile

    A few dollars here and a few there add up to LOTS OF MONEY

    Is this not CRIMINAL?
  • 11-11-2012
    TheMachinist
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by scyule View Post
    I'm thinking that it must require action at his end to ACCEPT PAYPAL payments,

    It does not require any action to receive Paypal payments. I sell derailleur hangers on my website and I get orders randomly throughout the year. I get an email from Paypal indicating that I have received a payment and a message showing what was ordered from the Paypal button menu. The money is already in my account by that time.

    I try to remember to put a note on my website when I go on vacation in case anybody wants to place an order during that time. Otherwise I do everything I can to ship the day I get the order; maybe it slips to the next day.

    If something unexpected happened and I was stuck in the hospital or something, I could receive payments and not even know about it until I got back. I have no idea what is going on with Dan. The complete lack of communication makes me wonder if something serious has happened, but he has set a track record of not communicating, so he's not going to get much mercy from his customers.
  • 11-11-2012
    jimbowho
    If I made these hard to get rings, and fast, how much interest you think I would get???
  • 11-11-2012
    csutterer
    If I were you I'd ask someone in the business. I hear Dan at HBC does good work and delivers in 4 to 6 weeks. Oh that's right, he's probably too busy NOT fulfilling orders to get back to you.

    In all honestly if the quality was top notch and you offered the hard to find stuff like TI and spiderless, a lot. People would be willing to pay too. HBC could likely charge nearly twice as much, have half the orders, make just as much money, spend less time working, and have a happy customers/return customers. The guys is obviously not interested in any of that. It's only a matter of time before he gets what's coming to him. I don't mean physically, but legally. Then the market is nearly all yours, with a few exceptions. Good Luck!!

    Make some proto types and post some pics for people to comment. Remember quality, quality, quality. You'll see how much interest it drums up.
  • 11-11-2012
    Manicmtbr
    This guy makes some quality steel rings and cogs. TomiCOGs
  • 11-11-2012
    Manicmtbr
    This guy makes some quality steel rings and cogs. TomiCOGs

    Of course, the cogs are for fixies only. Chainring lasts forever.
  • 11-11-2012
    FLMike
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jimbowho View Post
    If I made these hard to get rings, and fast, how much interest you think I would get???

    Id love a 34t zero offset sram direct mount ring... (I have a MRP offset ring but when used with a BB30 its puts my chainline way too close to the frame. like 47mm chainline close)

    Id say color choices get trumped by fast delivery and product quality.
  • 11-12-2012
    jimbowho
    What I will do is get a new 32T-104bcd then make a 31T. (I want one too) Take a photo, then offer one up to one of you with a promise that you review it. Then who know's? Go thru proper channels etc.

    Oh and another freeby to who comes up with a name for the rings.
  • 11-12-2012
    AZ
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jimbowho View Post
    Oh and another freeby to who comes up with a name for the rings.




    Name them "I Deliver". ;)
  • 11-12-2012
    StiHacka
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by AZ.MTNS View Post
    Name them "I Deliver". ;)

    "Deliverance" :D (for some folks, literally)
  • 11-12-2012
    jimbowho
    I don't think I want to go on a night ride with deliverence etched into the ring. Too funny.

    Also kicking around a 30T. But I will try that one first. More than likely a spider mod is in order.

    Back in a couple days.


    (FLMike) Do they not make a 34t zero offset? I thought spiderless was able to go real small.
    Excuse my ignorance.
  • 11-16-2012
    car bone
    you need to make at least 100 buck an hour for this to make sense. last place I worked at charged like 800 an hour. Converted.
  • 11-27-2012
    Ilikemtb999
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Mr.Magura View Post
    Here you go :D


    Magura :)


    Mr. Magura ftw
  • 12-12-2012
    Mountain Cycle Shawn
    Did anyone happen to think, that maybe something happened to the guy.
  • 12-12-2012
    trodaq
    ^^^^ Yes. Sometime within the last year he lost his morals.