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    e.thirteen XC external bottom bracket alternatives

    I have got a set of e13 XC cranks... 30mm axel...

    Has anyone found an alternative to their own brand bb - and can you swap out the bearings easily, like the shimano ones??

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    Quote Originally Posted by neilforrow View Post
    I have got a set of e13 XC cranks... 30mm axel...

    Has anyone found an alternative to their own brand bb - and can you swap out the bearings easily, like the shimano ones??
    I don't think there is any alternative out there.
    They are standard BB30 bearings, pop them out of the cups and add whatever type you want.
    There is a large selection of BB30 bearings available and that's one of the nice features of this bottom bracket design.

    Leave the cups in the frame and use a standard BB30 bearing removal tool or have a LBS do it.

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    thanks for the info, easy enough then. Shame no-one else has got on it and produced an aftermarket bb for them.

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    On a positive note, replacement bb cups with bearings from e.13 are only $50. Replacement bearings are hard to find for much less than that. You can also pry off the seal and relube them.

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    I'll be mounting an e.thirteen crank on my new build soon. I hope the BB lasts, but when it goes I'll be replacing the bearings with Enduro's -> Universal Cycles -- Enduro BB30 Bearing Kit

    I'm using these now on my carbon hardtail with BB30 BB, and they're lasting much longer than the TruVativ bearings they replaced.
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    $23 is not bad. Can anyone recommend a good BB30 bearing removal tool? Unless I'm missing something Enduroseal's is meant to be used on bearings that are pressed into the frame. BB30 Bearing Puller/Press from Real World Cycling

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockman View Post
    $23 is not bad. Can anyone recommend a good BB30 bearing removal tool? Unless I'm missing something Enduroseal's is meant to be used on bearings that are pressed into the frame. BB30 Bearing Puller/Press from Real World Cycling
    140 bucks? This is all you need for a bb30 BB -> Park Tool BBT-30.3 > Accessories > Tools > Bottom Bracket Tools | Jenson USA Use a threaded rod, some washers, and a couple nuts in conjunction with the two bushings to press the bearings in.

    The bearing removal tool will not work with the e.thirteen cups, however. The inside diameter of the cups (at the threaded portion) is only slightly larger than the inside diameter of the bearings, so the tool will not fit inside. I plan on trying to tap them out with a flathead screwdriver when the time comes.

    EDIT: I forgot I had this: Park RT-1 Headset Cup Remover > Accessories > Tools > Headset tools | Jenson USA This might be better than a screwdriver for removing the e.thirteen BB bearings from the cups.
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    No idea if it would actually work, but it might be worth investigating FSA's threaded BB for their new BB 386Evo cranks. It's threaded and designed for a 30mm spindle.

    Of course, I think the MSRP is as much or more than the e.13...

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    Quote Originally Posted by bholwell View Post
    140 bucks? This is all you need for a bb30 BB -> Park Tool BBT-30.3 > Accessories > Tools > Bottom Bracket Tools | Jenson USA Use a threaded rod, some washers, and a couple nuts in conjunction with the two bushings to press the bearings in.

    The bearing removal tool will not work with the e.thirteen cups, however. The inside diameter of the cups (at the threaded portion) is only slightly larger than the inside diameter of the bearings, so the tool will not fit inside. I plan on trying to tap them out with a flathead screwdriver when the time comes.

    EDIT: I forgot I had this: Park RT-1 Headset Cup Remover > Accessories > Tools > Headset tools | Jenson USA This might be better than a screwdriver for removing the e.thirteen BB bearings from the cups.
    Really? You can use a headset cup remover to press out the bearings?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockman View Post
    Really? You can use a headset cup remover to press out the bearings?
    No, you can't. There is no bearing lip/edge to get a bite on. A blind bearing puller (Blind Cartridge Bearing Puller Tool from Real World Cycling) is about the only way to remove the bearings from the cups. You would have to leave the cups fully torqued inside the BB shell and then use the blind puller. The replacement bearings could be installed a number of ways as long as pressure is put on the outer race of the bearing, or on both the inner and outer race of the bearing (but NOT on the inner race only). For those that already have the Enduro BB30 bearing tool, it is great for pressing the bearings into the external BB30 cups, but not for getting them out.

    In addition to several grades of replacement bearing kits (BB30 BOTTOM BRACKET BEARINGS FROM REAL WORLD CYCLING) we also have replacement bottom brackets for the e13. Right now we are offering the "ZERO" series (EXTERNAL CUP BB30 BOTTOM BRACKET FROM REAL WORLD CYCLING), which is quite pricey, but will have other offerings within a few days.

    Between the close fit of the bearings in the cups and not much clearance for the spindle, it's important to get proper alignment of the bearings for longevity. We offer an installation tool for the Enduro cups (also fits Zipp) that comes with a bearing alignment shaft to use while torqueing the cups (EXTERNAL BB30 CUP TOOL from Real World Cycling).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris2fur View Post
    No, you can't. There is no bearing lip/edge to get a bite on. A blind bearing puller (Blind Cartridge Bearing Puller Tool from Real World Cycling) is about the only way to remove the bearings from the cups. You would have to leave the cups fully torqued inside the BB shell and then use the blind puller. The replacement bearings could be installed a number of ways as long as pressure is put on the outer race of the bearing, or on both the inner and outer race of the bearing (but NOT on the inner race only). For those that already have the Enduro BB30 bearing tool, it is great for pressing the bearings into the external BB30 cups, but not for getting them out.

    In addition to several grades of replacement bearing kits (BB30 BOTTOM BRACKET BEARINGS FROM REAL WORLD CYCLING) we also have replacement bottom brackets for the e13. Right now we are offering the "ZERO" series (EXTERNAL CUP BB30 BOTTOM BRACKET FROM REAL WORLD CYCLING), which is quite pricey, but will have other offerings within a few days.

    Between the close fit of the bearings in the cups and not much clearance for the spindle, it's important to get proper alignment of the bearings for longevity. We offer an installation tool for the Enduro cups (also fits Zipp) that comes with a bearing alignment shaft to use while torqueing the cups (EXTERNAL BB30 CUP TOOL from Real World Cycling).
    Great info! Just curious, since I already have one, but is there any way you can retrofit an x-type bearing/puller press? Outboard BB Bearing Puller/Press from Real World Cycling

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockman View Post
    Great info! Just curious, since I already have one, but is there any way you can retrofit an x-type bearing/puller press? Outboard BB Bearing Puller/Press from Real World Cycling
    Since both the cup size and the bearing size are different, I don't think so. I'll mess around with the one you are referring to and see if adding a different guide into the mix will work for at least the pressing in part.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris2fur View Post
    Since both the cup size and the bearing size are different, I don't think so. I'll mess around with the one you are referring to and see if adding a different guide into the mix will work for at least the pressing in part.
    Kewl, since my bike with an e-type Race Face bb got stolen last year I haven't had much use for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockman View Post
    Kewl, since my bike with an e-type Race Face bb got stolen last year I haven't had much use for it.
    OK, with the addition of one guide from the BB30 tool, the Outboard BB Bearing Tool can push the 6806 bearings into the external BB30 cups. I'll have to see if I can get some of these guides run separately. In the first pic below, the cup holder, bolt, and cup guide are all from the Outboard BB Bearing Tool. The bearing guide on the right is from the BB30 Tool. The back part of the cup holder faces the bearing and cup in the subsequent pics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris2fur View Post
    In addition to several grades of replacement bearing kits we also have replacement bottom brackets for the e13. Right now we are offering the "ZERO" series which is quite pricey, but will have other offerings within a few days.

    Between the close fit of the bearings in the cups and not much clearance for the spindle, it's important to get proper alignment of the bearings for longevity. We offer an installation tool for the Enduro cups (also fits Zipp) that comes with a bearing alignment shaft to use while torqueing the cups
    chris, thanks for the info fella. looks good but those external bb cups are a bit $$$ for me. I have got a set of your bearing drifts for the ht2 bb's and they have been spot on... looks like I will be getting a set for the bb30 ones too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris2fur View Post
    OK, with the addition of one guide from the BB30 tool, the Outboard BB Bearing Tool can push the 6806 bearings into the external BB30 cups. I'll have to see if I can get some of these guides run separately. In the first pic below, the cup holder, bolt, and cup guide are all from the Outboard BB Bearing Tool. The bearing guide on the right is from the BB30 Tool. The back part of the cup holder faces the bearing and cup in the subsequent pics.
    Chris, if you end up offering the bb30 guide separately I'd definitely pick one up

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    Quote Originally Posted by neilforrow View Post
    chris, thanks for the info fella. looks good but those external bb cups are a bit $$$ for me. I have got a set of your bearing drifts for the ht2 bb's and they have been spot on... looks like I will be getting a set for the bb30 ones too.
    We've got an all-steel ABEC 5 rated version up now that is considerably less than the "ZERO" ceramic hybrid version: EXTERNAL CUP BB30 BOTTOM BRACKET FROM REAL WORLD CYCLING

    At $94.00 it's still not cheap, but these are very good all-steel bearings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rockman View Post
    Chris, if you end up offering the bb30 guide separately I'd definitely pick one up
    Since you have asked, I'll see if we have an "extra" guide around here we could make you a deal on. I'll "PM" you if I can find one.

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    With these alternative cups is there any way of removing the bearings with drifts? Or is it the same as the ethirteen cups. The UK mud dosen't like the eithirteen bearings and the outer seals poor design.

    Although I've just paid for a replacement BB it would be nice to remove the bearings from the old cups and replace them with fresh ones for when my new ones are cooked. It would certainly save me a few ££££ in the long run

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    Quote Originally Posted by spankone View Post
    With these alternative cups is there any way of removing the bearings with drifts? Or is it the same as the ethirteen cups. The UK mud dosen't like the eithirteen bearings and the outer seals poor design.

    Although I've just paid for a replacement BB it would be nice to remove the bearings from the old cups and replace them with fresh ones for when my new ones are cooked. It would certainly save me a few ££££ in the long run
    As you know, the difference in diameter between the ID of the bearing and the ID of the threaded cup extensions are very close. Because of this, you can't really get behind the bearings with anything. However, if the cups are left in the threaded BB shell, a "blind bearing puller" can be used grab the bearings and pull them out: Blind Cartridge Bearing Puller Tool from Real World Cycling

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    I'm now on my 3rd bb in about 1000 miles. For kicks and giggles and pried off the race on the 2nd set and there was very little if any grease left. E.13 has now gone to angular contact bearings with a different dust seal.

    Although a replacement bb is relatively inexpensive compared to most others, you may be able to prolong the bearings by prying up the seal and using a syringe or something similar to inject some grease. But an affordable tool would be nice to stick some ceramics in there

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    Apologies if I sound like a redneck but but is it possible to destrory the inside race of a knackered bearing, Then pull out the outer?

    For the cost of extra tools I might aswell buy a shimano xt crank with a standard BB

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    Quote Originally Posted by spankone View Post
    Apologies if I sound like a redneck but but is it possible to destrory the inside race of a knackered bearing, Then pull out the outer?

    For the cost of extra tools I might aswell buy a shimano xt crank with a standard BB
    I'm not sure what I would use besides a blind bearing puller to get a stuck outer racer from out of the cup.

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    The sealing is shocking.


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    And out they pop.


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    Quote Originally Posted by spankone View Post
    And out they pop.


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    Sweet, and all it takes is a hammer

    That's good to know since it wouldn't appear that Chris is too eager to retrofit my EBI Outboard BB Bearing Tool with one of the guides from the the BB30 tool. If the seals are similar in effectiveness as e.13s I'd probably be going through 3 sets of ceramic bearings/year purchased from Real World Cycling. Win Win.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockman View Post
    Sweet, and all it takes is a hammer

    That's good to know since it wouldn't appear that Chris is too eager to retrofit my EBI Outboard BB Bearing Tool with one of the guides from the the BB30 tool. If the seals are similar in effectiveness as e.13s I'd probably be going through 3 sets of ceramic bearings/year purchased from Real World Cycling. Win Win.
    Sorry, Rockman. We've been backordered on the BB30 tools for months, let alone spare guides. The BB30 bearing kits come with auxiliary seals. After the bearings are installed, a layer of grease is applied on top of the bearings, followed by the auxiliary seals. This makes a pretty good barrier as far as water penetration from the outside. You should have a drain hole in the bottom-dead-center of the BB shell so that water that gets inside the frame has a way out before it gets behind the bearings. The BB30 bearing kits come as pictured below. You will see the orange auxiliary seals. Of course you will not need the C-clips with the outboard cups. Also some plastic spindle spacers come with the kits but are not pictured.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris2fur View Post
    Sorry, Rockman. We've been backordered on the BB30 tools for months, let alone spare guides. The BB30 bearing kits come with auxiliary seals. After the bearings are installed, a layer of grease is applied on top of the bearings, followed by the auxiliary seals. This makes a pretty good barrier as far as water penetration from the outside. You should have a drain hole in the bottom-dead-center of the BB shell so that water that gets inside the frame has a way out before it gets behind the bearings. The BB30 bearing kits come as pictured below. You will see the orange auxiliary seals. Of course you will not need the C-clips with the outboard cups. Also some plastic spindle spacers come with the kits but are not pictured.
    Excellent! I rather liked putting ceramics in my E-type bottom brackets. Good to know there is or will be another option. I really do like the E.13 cranks and their guides and rings but the bb is a weak ling. Interesting that they have switched to angular contact bearings. Not sure that's going to solve anything with respect to contamination.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockman View Post
    ...interesting that they have switched to angular contact bearings. Not sure that's going to solve anything with respect to contamination.
    No, should not be related. However, it's a good idea for most BBs to have angular contact bearings just due to the fact that most crank sets install in a manner that tends to side load the bearings. Side loading is not good for deep groove radial bearings but angular contact bearings actually require it. The XD-15 bottom brackets and replacement bearings we are offering are all angular contact.

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    Good info Chris!

    Also, the newer E.13 bearings/cups come with what I consider very fragile or brittle dust seals. I chipped piece of both sides when installing,removing the cranks a couple of times trying to get the preload right and install an SRS guide.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockman View Post
    Sweet, and all it takes is a hammer

    That's good to know since it wouldn't appear that Chris is too eager to retrofit my EBI Outboard BB Bearing Tool with one of the guides from the the BB30 tool. If the seals are similar in effectiveness as e.13s I'd probably be going through 3 sets of ceramic bearings/year purchased from Real World Cycling. Win Win.
    They knocked out very easily, with a socket and hammer. I wouldn't do it with a bearing I wanted to reuse incase I flat spotted the bearings but these are shot. now that I have a brand new BB, I can have a spare and switch them over when the new ones are done.


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    [QUOTE=spankone;9085953]They knocked out very easily, with a socket and hammer. I wouldn't do it with a bearing I wanted to reuse incase I flat spotted the bearings but these are shot./QUOTE]

    Yes, and, if it needs to be said, no hammers should be involved in the installation of new bearings!

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    Quote Originally Posted by spankone View Post
    They knocked out very easily, with a socket and hammer. I wouldn't do it with a bearing I wanted to reuse incase I flat spotted the bearings but these are shot./QUOTE]

    Yes, and, if it needs to be said, no hammers should be involved in the installation of new bearings!
    I concur. I'm curious, Spankone what size socket did you use? There's maybe a mm or two at best to get a purchase on the inner race. The 22mm I have is slightly too small. I don't have a 23 mm but I'm guessing that would be too big. And how did you press the new bearings in?

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    I've not pressed them yet in fact I've not even ordered replacements. I've got a black and decker workmate I was going to try and use that to push them in with.

    I used a 24 mm socket it was still less then 30mm wide but I just tapped around the inside edge and it popped out. It must have only taken 3-4 knocks.


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    Well my second set are nearly dead and the chain ring has gone as well. It's a nice stiff crank but in moving back over to shimano.


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    Another Year Has Passed and we have more options...

    OK, we've been busy and got a few more options for e13 cranks now...
    First, for those that want to keep the same cups and change bearings, we have the following new options:

    1) Angular Contact chromium steel bearings (listed here: BB30 BOTTOM BRACKET BEARINGS FROM REAL WORLD CYCLING). One seal is orange, the other is black. Install with orange facing out. These bearings handle side-loading much better.

    2) XD-15 Radial bearings. (XD-15R BB30 BOTTOM BRACKET FROM REAL WORLD CYCLING). These have Grade 3 ceramic balls matched with XD-15 high-nitrogen steel races. These races will not corrode and outlast any other steel alloy when paired with ceramic balls. Super durable and super fast:
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    And....

    We've also completely redone the external BB30 cup sets and made a dedicated wrench for them:
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    Has anyone thats used both these and the factory BB weigh in on differences in fit and durability? If so I would love to hear about it - hoping a better bottom bracket will help me stick with these cranks as I really like them.

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    Anyone know if the Hope 30mm spindle external BB's would work?

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    Looks like they are. RaceFace has an offering now that sounds nice too.

    I've had one of the enduro bbs on for a few months and so far so good. Can't comment on long term durability but installation went a lot more easily.

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    Chris, any options for e.13 cranks that are bb92?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockman View Post
    Chris, any options for e.13 cranks that are bb92?
    Yes, we have this double-row press-in bearing setup: BB92 TO BB30 BOTTOM BRACKET KIT

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris2fur View Post
    Yes, we have this double-row press-in bearing setup: BB92 TO BB30 BOTTOM BRACKET KIT
    Double row? I like it already. And it will work with the 30mm spindle on an e.13 E*Thirteen TRS+ crankset?

    I want to give e.13 a go again on an Ibis Ripley I'm building up but my previous experience with their bb bearings led me back to Sram XO and GXP (with no issues I might add).

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    Has anyone tried the e.13 cranks with either the Raceface or Hope offerings?

    I am aware that e.13 is redoing the BB again, and Enduro is still an option. Just looking for other possibilites.

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    Latest production run.

    We've made some changes to our latest run of External BB30 (BSA 30) bottom brackets:

    Went from 6061 to 7075 aluminum. Added a slight extension ahead of the threads to make it easier to align the threads. All bearing options are now angular contact. The previous "gunmetal" color is now "silver."

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