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    So if i have a 9x3sp crankset and a 10sp shifter, i'll need a 9x3sp FD correct ?

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    Some who know how 9SP SLX shifters works with 10SP XT derailleurs?

    And how can i se what sp my skifters are?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bech View Post
    Some who know how 9SP SLX shifters works with 10SP XT derailleurs?

    And how can i se what sp my skifters are?
    I just had to read more carefull, here is my answer.


    Quote Originally Posted by satanas View Post
    ^ This will not work.

    To repeat (again) Shimano 9 and 10 speed MTB rear derailleurs and shifters cannot be mixed in any combination!!!

    Both must be either 9 speed, or 10 speed, with the matching cassette and chain. 10 speed Shimano MTB stuff is generally compatible only with itself, although IIRC some have said that SRAM pre-10 speed derailleurs and shifters have compatible cable travel, ie, you can (in theory) use a 9 speed SRAM rear mech in a 10 speed drivetrain with Shimano 10 speed shifters, or a Shimano 10 speed mech in a 9 speed drivetrain with SRAM 9 speed shifters (though not their Shimano compatible Gripshifts).

    If you want to switch to 10 speed you will need (at least) a 10 speed rear shifter, rear derailleur, cassette and chain. Things might work better if you have matching 10 speed chainrings (or crankset), plus front derailleur, but it's quite possible the 9 speed parts will work okay.

    NB: Shimano 10 speed road rear shifters (i.e., barcons) will work when used with a Shimano 9 speed MTB rear mech as most Shimano rear derailleurs (other than 10 speed MTB and pre-1997 Dura-Ace) have compatible cable travel.

    It would be more sensible if people asking questions state what shifters, front and rear derailleurs, crankset, chain and cassette they have at present and what they are hoping to achieve by changing things rather than just asking, "Will combination x work?"

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    I have a question, I'm going to buy new XTR Dynasys drive (shifters, crank, chain, cassette, rear derailleur) for my bike, but need to install as front derailleur Sram XX High Clamp Top Pull - will this combination work?

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    10 speed FD with 9 speed everything else

    Hi,

    Will a 10 speed front dérailleur fit in my 2X9 SLX drivetrain?

    Explanation:
    SLX 9 speed FD direct mount is to high. I saw that SLX 10 speed FD would probably fit height wise, since it has more up-down adjustability.

    And BTW has anybody had problems with height of direct mount FD?
    I have Trek Scratch 9 frame.

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    So cranks are basically all the same, you just have to buy speed specific rings?
    I have an slx (9spd) that I'm going to use for a 1x10. Buying 10 speed everything and using the slx crank with it.
    There's something about those long grueling climbs that gets my front end all stiff... And I'm not talking about lockout...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeti View Post
    Hi,

    Will a 10 speed front dérailleur fit in my 2X9 SLX drivetrain?

    Explanation:
    SLX 9 speed FD direct mount is to high. I saw that SLX 10 speed FD would probably fit height wise, since it has more up-down adjustability.

    And BTW has anybody had problems with height of direct mount FD?
    I have Trek Scratch 9 frame.
    I've currently got a 10 speed XT direct mount with a 9 speed XT crankset set up with only two rings, 22/32T and bash-ring. It works fine with some reservation. The 10 speed cage is obviously narrower than a 9 speed. I've got the high and low limits set to prevent the chain dropping off the rings. When riding on the 32T ring there is slight contact of the derailleur in the bottom two, three cogs. I could keep it as it is and use the first half of the cassette on the 22T ring but I like using all nine cogs on my 32T ring and it bugs me. I'm going to replace the derailleur with a SLX M661 9 speed direct mount.

    As to your problem with height, the mount should be a standard height and the height adjustment seems to be the same on all derailleurs. You say you are using a SLX 2 X 9 so I'm assuming you mean a 22/36 crankset. The derailleurs are designed to shift onto larger rings so it appears that the cage is high but they still shift onto and of the granny ring.
    The trouble with having an open mind is that people will insist on trying to put things in it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronnie View Post
    I've currently got a 10 speed XT direct mount with a 9 speed XT crankset set up with only two rings, 22/32T and bash-ring. It works fine with some reservation. The 10 speed cage is obviously narrower than a 9 speed. I've got the high and low limits set to prevent the chain dropping off the rings. When riding on the 32T ring there is slight contact of the derailleur in the bottom two, three cogs. I could keep it as it is and use the first half of the cassette on the 22T ring but I like using all nine cogs on my 32T ring and it bugs me. I'm going to replace the derailleur with a SLX M661 9 speed direct mount.

    As to your problem with height, the mount should be a standard height and the height adjustment seems to be the same on all derailleurs. You say you are using a SLX 2 X 9 so I'm assuming you mean a 22/36 crankset. The derailleurs are designed to shift onto larger rings so it appears that the cage is high but they still shift onto and of the granny ring.
    OK, so 10 speed FD won't be perfect...
    I do have 36/22 crank and I also thought that direct mount has a standard height.
    Obviously I was sure that 9 speed FD-661-D would fit, but is to high for a whole 1cm and when in granny ring the chain rubs the bottom of the FD.

    But if you compare it with 10 speed FD-661-10D you'll notice that last one has larger hole for the mounting screw and therefore I assume it can be mounted lower.

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    Today on my 2008 Anthem I replaced my XT M770 9 speed triple front mech with a XT M785 10 speed double mech, my current set up is:

    XT 3x9 cranks with 26/38
    9 speed dura ace chain
    XT 9 speed 11-34 cassette
    XT 9 speed shadow rear mech
    XTR 9 speed shifters

    Works perfect, I can now use the the full range of gears with no chain rub in any gear and shifts fantastic also looks better fitted than the tripple 9 speed mech, very happy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeti View Post
    OK, so 10 speed FD won't be perfect...
    I do have 36/22 crank and I also thought that direct mount has a standard height.
    Obviously I was sure that 9 speed FD-661-D would fit, but is to high for a whole 1cm and when in granny ring the chain rubs the bottom of the FD.

    But if you compare it with 10 speed FD-661-10D you'll notice that last one has larger hole for the mounting screw and therefore I assume it can be mounted lower.
    You are right I have a XT M771 9 speed direct mount and the slot is shorter than on the ten speed but it works perfectly. The reason I tried the ten speed is because the M771 has a very long cage and is very close to my tire in the granny gear. I'm going to try the nine speed SLX because it has a shorter cage. When you say, "....in granny ring the chain rubs the bottom of the FD.", is that with smaller cogs selected on the cassette? If you are on the granny ring and on the top half of the cassette (lower gears), does it touch? If not, I wouldn't worry about it. You should not be cross chaining from the 22T to the smallest cassette cogs.
    The trouble with having an open mind is that people will insist on trying to put things in it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronnie View Post
    You are right I have a XT M771 9 speed direct mount and the slot is shorter than on the ten speed but it works perfectly. The reason I tried the ten speed is because the M771 has a very long cage and is very close to my tire in the granny gear. I'm going to try the nine speed SLX because it has a shorter cage. When you say, "....in granny ring the chain rubs the bottom of the FD.", is that with smaller cogs selected on the cassette? If you are on the granny ring and on the top half of the cassette (lower gears), does it touch? If not, I wouldn't worry about it. You should not be cross chaining from the 22T to the smallest cassette cogs.
    Hi, when in granny ring the chain is high enough only on two largest cogs.
    Hoped that maybe 9 speed XT would fit, but from what you said I assume it's very similar to SLX.
    I also asked my local Trek dealer, but I guess he'll say that it's compatible only with 10 speed FD.
    So I'll have to go with 10 speed FD. Or maybe I'll drill another hole into the frame

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeti View Post
    Hi, when in granny ring the chain is high enough only on two largest cogs.
    Hoped that maybe 9 speed XT would fit, but from what you said I assume it's very similar to SLX.
    I also asked my local Trek dealer, but I guess he'll say that it's compatible only with 10 speed FD.
    So I'll have to go with 10 speed FD. Or maybe I'll drill another hole into the frame
    The XT M771-D front derailleur seems to have a much longer/lower cage than the SLX. It works perfectly with my 22/32T setup and the chain does not touch the bottom of the cage at all. The reason it doesn't work for me is that it was on a Banshee Paradox which is a 29" bike with chain stays less than 17". There is very little space. The cage is long and is a few millimeters from the rear tire when on the granny ring. If you have more space on a 26" bike the XT should be fine.
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    Will this work?

    Here is my current set up -
    9 speed XT M770 Chainset
    9 speed XT shadow rear
    9 speed XT front mech
    9 speed XTR shifters
    9 speed XT 11-32 cassette
    9 speed KMC X9L chain

    I need to replace my front chainrings, chain and cassette as they are knackered. I have got hold of some pretty much new 10 speed XT M770 chainrings 42/32/24.

    The 10 speed rings appear to fit to my 9 speed cranks. Can I replace the rings on my 9 speed cranks with the 10 speed ones and still keep all the 9 speed stuff the same?

    Is the spacing difference on 10sp chainrings on the cranks or the rings?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ACDC View Post
    Today on my 2008 Anthem I replaced my XT M770 9 speed triple front mech with a XT M785 10 speed double mech, my current set up is:

    XT 3x9 cranks with 26/38
    9 speed dura ace chain
    XT 9 speed 11-34 cassette
    XT 9 speed shadow rear mech
    XTR 9 speed shifters

    Works perfect, I can now use the the full range of gears with no chain rub in any gear and shifts fantastic also looks better fitted than the tripple 9 speed mech, very happy.
    Just for info, I today I had to raise the front mech about 5mm above its intended position as the clamp would have slightly come into contact with the lower linkage on the suspension (only during full compression of the shock). Also I was initially using positions 1-2 on the XTR shifter and found that the cable become very slack when on the small ring. I guess the geometry of the 10 speed mech requires less cable to move it horizontally

    I measured the cable pull and it was 11mm for 1-2 and 8mm for 2-3, so I switched to using 2-3 on the shifter for my 2x9 setup and it works perfect, no chain rub, crisp quiet gear changes every time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ACDC View Post
    Just for info, I today I had to raise the front mech about 5mm above its intended position as the clamp would have slightly come into contact with the lower linkage on the suspension (only during full compression of the shock). Also I was initially using positions 1-2 on the XTR shifter and found that the cable become very slack when on the small ring. I guess the geometry of the 10 speed mech requires less cable to move it horizontally

    I measured the cable pull and it was 11mm for 1-2 and 8mm for 2-3, so I switched to using 2-3 on the shifter for my 2x9 setup and it works perfect, no chain rub, crisp quiet gear changes every time.
    I have got my 10speed direct mount just about perfect on my 9 speed M770 cranks. The chain barely touches the cage in the 32/34T combination and is quite acceptable. It sounds like you have a conventional clamp mounted derailleur which provides a bit more adjustment in that you can rotate the clamp. The direct mount doesn't have that option.

    What I don't agree with you on is using the 2-3 positions for shifting. How do you prevent accidentally dropping into the first (lowest) position and not realizing? Then when you want to make that critical shift, you find that you are only taking up cable. With the 1-2 position, I can limit the derailleur from going into 3 with the "H" limit screw.
    The trouble with having an open mind is that people will insist on trying to put things in it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronnie View Post
    What I don't agree with you on is using the 2-3 positions for shifting. How do you prevent accidentally dropping into the first (lowest) position and not realizing? Then when you want to make that critical shift, you find that you are only taking up cable. With the 1-2 position, I can limit the derailleur from going into 3 with the "H" limit screw.
    I don't think that will be too much of a problem, there are only two gears to shift between after all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ACDC View Post
    I don't think that will be too much of a problem, there are only two gears to shift between after all.
    Yes, and that is how I want it to work.
    The trouble with having an open mind is that people will insist on trying to put things in it.

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    The problem I found when shifting 1-2 was that there was a lot of lever throw whilst the shifter was taking up the all the slack, now when using 2-3 on the shifter to move into the big ring I only need a small amount of pressure and there is far less travel because of this the gear change is very fast and smooth and requires a lot less hand movement. I know the xtr M980 LH shfter has a mode switch to change from x3 to x2 which when doing so limits the shifter to use only 2-3.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ACDC View Post
    The problem I found when shifting 1-2 was that there was a lot of lever throw whilst the shifter was taking up the all the slack, now when using 2-3 on the shifter to move into the big ring I only need a small amount of pressure and there is far less travel because of this the gear change is very fast and smooth and requires a lot less hand movement. I know the xtr M980 LH shfter has a mode switch to change from x3 to x2 which when doing so limits the shifter to use only 2-3.
    I've never really noticed but I'll give it a try. I've got XTR 970 shifters so it's a moot point. In any case, aren't XTR 980 ten speed?
    The trouble with having an open mind is that people will insist on trying to put things in it.

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    Yep you are right the M980 shifters are 10 speed but for a front mech I don't think it would make that much difference as long as it pulls a similar amount of cable as a LH M970.

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    So, just installed an M985 XTR Dyna-Sys 10-speed rear derailleur mated to a SRAM X9 9-speed trigger shifter.

    Right out of the box this combo is close but not perfect. The travel of the derailleur does not match the cable pull of the shifter as it should. You can clearly see how it becomes progressively more off as it reaches the end of travel accross the cogs. It can be adjusted to just barely work. Certainly not perfect as you have to make some comproimises. Used in this manner it is very critical of adjustment. Get it just a tad off and life is not so good but it does work.

    It is so close that you CAN get it to work better with some minor changes.

    The problem is that the derailleur does not draw out enough cable during it's travel. It actually travels too much when all is said and done for this combo. I had to reduce the derailleur travel for a given amount of cable pull.

    So, I machined a derailleur anchor extension to change the cable pull related to the derailleur movement. In testing I tried anchoring the cable on the far side of the bolt (too much change). Then I began spacing the cable anchor point away in small increments. I also played with the exit location around the anchor bolt. Viola! After some playing around and experimentation I arrived upon the magic location and proceeded to machine an anchor bolt extension.

    The 10-speed XTR jockey wheel has a very small amount of float compared to the 9-speed XTR. I can swap them later on to see how that affects things if need be but for now it is good. My guess is that it will make it just that much better and more robust in terms of adjustment requirements.

    So far very happy with this slightly modified combo.

    Of course this is just my experience. Your results may vary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stevoo View Post
    So, just installed an M985 XTR Dyna-Sys 10-speed rear derailleur mated to a SRAM X9 9-speed trigger shifter.

    Right out of the box this combo is close but not perfect. The travel of the derailleur does not match the cable pull of the shifter as it should. You can clearly see how it becomes progressively more off as it reaches the end of travel accross the cogs. It can be adjusted to just barely work. Certainly not perfect as you have to make some comproimises. Used in this manner it is very critical of adjustment. Get it just a tad off and life is not so good but it does work.

    It is so close that you CAN get it to work better with some minor changes.

    The problem is that the derailleur does not draw out enough cable during it's travel. It actually travels too much when all is said and done for this combo. I had to reduce the derailleur travel for a given amount of cable pull.

    So, I machined a derailleur anchor extension to change the cable pull related to the derailleur movement. In testing I tried anchoring the cable on the far side of the bolt (too much change). Then I began spacing the cable anchor point away in small increments. I also played with the exit location around the anchor bolt. Viola! After some playing around and experimentation I arrived upon the magic location and proceeded to machine an anchor bolt extension.

    The 10-speed XTR jockey wheel has a very small amount of float compared to the 9-speed XTR. I can swap them later on to see how that affects things if need be but for now it is good. My guess is that it will make it just that much better and more robust in terms of adjustment requirements.

    So far very happy with this slightly modified combo.

    Of course this is just my experience. Your results may vary.
    Soo..... things that make you go mmmm...

    Why not just match the shifter with the rd? Not judging but curious.... lots of work to get what sounds like subpar performance?
    I Just wish I could ride more!


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    Kind of a long story but I broke my older 9-speed XTR and I found SRAM X9 at a deal. Had ridden the Dyna-sys 10 and liked it, also heard a lot about the 1:1 SRAM stuff. Shimano does not make Dyna-Sys in 9-speed that I am aware of (I may be wrong). Wanted to stay 9-speed so I went for the full SRAM X9 9-speed. It was great except the rear derailleur. For me it was sub par in a number of ways. Heard 10-speed Shimano Dyna-Sys would work with the SRAM triggers. I really ended up liking the 1:1 cable pull deal. Found a deal on a 10-speed Shimano rear derailluer so figure why not see what I can do with it. Best of both worlds for my needs.

    I am kind of a tinkerer as well so it also has some entertainment value there as well.

    I really ended up liking the SRAM triggers as much as I like Shimano derailluers so when I read this thread indicating I could have my cake and eat it too I figured why not give it a try.

    Last but not least the performance is actually better than stock SRAM so I would not say it is sub par. I am sorry if I may have given that impression. I have pretty high standards for drivetrain performance and I struggle with things I know can be better.

    I may have also missed that Shimano possibly makes Dyna-Sys in 9-speed but I am unaware if they do.

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    hey there. sorry if this question I'm about to ask someone already posted, there's just zillions of posts and didn't get thru all of them...

    I basically want to get XTR 980 38-26t crankset. it's ten-speeder, of course, and I would just replace the old 9 speed crankset with it. everything else is 9 speed set-up.

    I read around the net that it'll work great, even better than the 9 speed crankset and that I don't have to change anything..
    anyone else done that? would be really cool if you did to share the experience with that kind of set-up.

    also - I read that 38-26t version is the only version that has cranks made the way it can hold a bash guard. I really hope that is the case as I need to have a bash.

    once again, sorry if somebody else made the same post before...
    thanx!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stevoo View Post
    So, just installed an M985 XTR Dyna-Sys 10-speed rear derailleur mated to a SRAM X9 9-speed trigger shifter.
    So far very happy with this slightly modified combo.

    Of course this is just my experience. Your results may vary.
    Pictures!

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    Hi. Read through a lot of this and not sure I can find a answer. I am looking to use the following. Shimano xtr 10 speed shifters, front and rear. 10 speed rear derailuer, 9 speed xtr front dr, xt cranks with 44-36-22 9 speed rings and a 10 speed chain and 10 cassette. I know that the fd dereailuer and crank must match due to the change in chainrings spacing an number of teeth. Will this combo work, can you use the 9 speed chainrings with the 10 speed chain?

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    I think that is OK. I just tried my new 10-sp chain on 9-sp rings on my new crankset and they fit fine. I even tried the chain out on an old Campy double crank set (from the old 2x5 days) and if physically fits, but might be a little snug for shifting as you can feel the slightest drag of the teeth inside the chain links.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NielsJ View Post
    Pictures!
    +1 on that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Goose127 View Post
    Hi. Read through a lot of this and not sure I can find a answer. I am looking to use the following. Shimano xtr 10 speed shifters, front and rear. 10 speed rear derailuer, 9 speed xtr front dr, xt cranks with 44-36-22 9 speed rings and a 10 speed chain and 10 cassette. I know that the fd dereailuer and crank must match due to the change in chainrings spacing an number of teeth. Will this combo work, can you use the 9 speed chainrings with the 10 speed chain?
    In my experience setting up a couple of bikes with hybrid 9sp / dynasys 10sp, mixing a 9sp ft der w/ a 10sp ft shifter did not work well, while keeping everything for the back end + chain 10 sp (r der, r shifter, cassette, chain), with everything for the front end 9sp ( der, shifter, crank & rings) worked great. I'm not sure what you should expect with the weird choice of chainring sizes. My double (XT 770 3x crank, run with bash and XT rings in 36/26, 36/24, 36/22) worked great with the SLX 9sp ft derailleur that was designed for 2x Bash running the 36 big ring. Shimano's ft der's have some pretty complex shaping intended to move the chain when/where you want it without excess rub in cross gears. I'm no absolute authority on this, but I think you're going to end up with sub-par front shifting..... try it, but I think you may end up needing to put an older 9sp ft shifter into the mix.
    EDIT: I looked through some of the earlier posts that claim a 10sp front shifter works fine with 9sp ft derailleur and rings.... that was not my experience, but in that case I was stepping into the middle of a setup my buddy was struggling with on his bike, so maybe I missed something not doing it from scratch... or maybe those earlier posts were wrong. My setup works great, so you'll have to read through all the pages of posts, not me Good luck.

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    Someone wanted pictures. Here is the spacer needed to allow Shimano 10-speed rear derailleur to play nice with SRAM 9-speed trigger shifter.
    Not sure how to post an image so here is a link to them if you want to see.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stevoo View Post
    Someone wanted pictures. Here is the spacer needed to allow Shimano 10-speed rear derailleur to play nice with SRAM 9-speed trigger shifter.
    Totally geeky!

    I'm considering using a 10spd trigger on a 9spd RD and 9spd cassette. If this does the trick I'm in! However, it seems I should have a spacer in the opposite direction, so maybe it's a bad idea to begin with

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    this is a repost - would be really cool if you could solve the mystery for me - thanx!

    hey there. sorry if this question I'm about to ask someone already posted, there's just zillions of posts and didn't get thru all of them...

    I basically want to get XTR 980 38-26t crankset. it's ten-speeder, of course, and I would just replace the old 9 speed crankset with it. everything else is 9 speed set-up.

    I read around the net that it'll work great, even better than the 9 speed crankset and that I don't have to change anything..
    anyone else done that? would be really cool if you did to share the experience with that kind of set-up.

    also - I read that 38-26t version is the only version that has cranks made the way it can hold a bash guard. I really hope that is the case as I need to have a bash.

    once again, sorry if somebody else made the same post before...
    thanx!

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    Quote Originally Posted by NielsJ View Post
    Totally geeky!

    I'm considering using a 10spd trigger on a 9spd RD and 9spd cassette. If this does the trick I'm in! However, it seems I should have a spacer in the opposite direction, so maybe it's a bad idea to begin with
    You would need a 10spd cassette in that case. Maybe a 10spd Shimano shifter, 9spd SRAM derailleur, and 10spd cassette.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GTscoob View Post
    You would need a 10spd cassette in that case. Maybe a 10spd Shimano shifter, 9spd SRAM derailleur, and 10spd cassette.
    The plan was to limit the last step on the trigger with the limit screws on the RD - the same way I made my 3spd FD work on a 2spd crank.
    I'm using a Saint RD. They don't come in 10spd, but I like the i-Spec triggers and they only come in 10spd


    Just found this one:
    Bicycles/Maintenance and Repair/Gear-changing Dimensions - Wikibooks, open books for an open world
    As I see it, I need to make the 10spd trigger pull 0,2mm less cable in order to make it work on a 9 spd RD.
    Now, does anyone have any figures of the parallelogram on a Shimano 9spd RD??
    Last edited by NielsJ; 04-04-2012 at 04:10 AM. Reason: I just googled "cable pull measurements shimano"

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    Quote Originally Posted by NielsJ View Post
    The plan was to limit the last step on the trigger with the limit screws on the RD - the same way I made my 3spd FD work on a 2spd crank.
    I'm using a Saint RD. They don't come in 10spd, but I like the i-Spec triggers and they only come in 10spd
    You're going to jump through hoops because you want to use a Saint RD? Sell the Saint and pick up a 10spd SLX rear D, they're probably very similar and will work out of the box.

    Or go SRAM and run a Matchmaker setup

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    9sp or 10sp xt upgrade?

    Hello,i am new to mountaibiking.
    I bought a Canyon Yellowstone 4.0(2012) and i was thinking of upgrading the drivetrain after summer to full shimano XT.(the bike has only a rear derailleur xt-shadow 9-speed of the xt series).
    1)Should i go to 9speed or to 10 speed full xt upgrade?as i read that 10 speed will dominate..
    2)It worths the money such an upgrade?

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    So I think that I have it all stright. On the way I have the following
    XTR Dyna 10sp RD (The new shadow plus)
    XT 10sp R shifter
    10Sp Chain
    XT 11-36 10sp

    All of this takes care of the rear.
    Up front I have 2010 9sp XT cranks, rings, DR and shifter.

    From what I read the10sp chain should do fine with my front 9sp components...right???

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    Quote Originally Posted by GTscoob View Post
    You're going to jump through hoops because you want to use a Saint RD? Sell the Saint and pick up a 10spd SLX rear D, they're probably very similar and will work out of the box.

    Or go SRAM and run a Matchmaker setup
    I already bought the XT 785 brakes, so SRAM/Avid MatchMaker is out of the question.
    And yes, maybe a little crazy to jump through hoops because of a 9spd RD, but I think 10spd makes things more expensive, I don't need the extra gear, and the geek factor would be cool
    (also, the Saint has gold on it )

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    Quote Originally Posted by sandfrog View Post
    So I think that I have it all stright. On the way I have the following
    XTR Dyna 10sp RD (The new shadow plus)
    XT 10sp R shifter
    10Sp Chain
    XT 11-36 10sp

    All of this takes care of the rear.
    Up front I have 2010 9sp XT cranks, rings, DR and shifter.

    From what I read the10sp chain should do fine with my front 9sp components...right???
    Yep, that's right... I have the EXACT same setup and it works great

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    how can I get a slx cassette work on a crank brother cobalt wheel?Hits the flanges and if i use spacer it will not grip threads on freehub.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bnelson View Post
    how can I get a slx cassette work on a crank brother cobalt wheel?Hits the flanges and if i use spacer it will not grip threads on freehub.
    Without an image it is difficult to understand what you mean. A Shimano SLX cassette is about as standard as you can get. If it doesn't fit, what will? Is the cassette maybe faulty. If not I'd contact Crank Brothers.
    The trouble with having an open mind is that people will insist on trying to put things in it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bnelson View Post
    how can I get a slx cassette work on a crank brother cobalt wheel?Hits the flanges and if i use spacer it will not grip threads on freehub.

    What was the total spacer thickness that you tried? Are you using the correct freehub spacers?

    In your case, I believe if you use a total of 8mm ( play around with different spacer config's to get the correct chainline) this should work on your 8/9sp freehub body.

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    I was soooo hopeful...

    Quote Originally Posted by camus View Post
    No, no no. I was not able to get this to work. I love Rapid Rise almost as much as I love my own dick. I ordered the pulley recommended one this forum. I tinkered with it for days. I went through three derailleur cables. And, not to brag, but after 25 years working on bikes, motos, and cars, I am no slouch in the shop.

    Couldn't get it to work - almost but not quite. It would shift through the first 4 small cogs just fine then skip over a the large ones. Coming back from the large cogs it would shift just fine then skip over the middle cogs. It was aggravating, I tell you!

    Then I took it to the bike shop and told them, "make it work, I don't care how much it cost"

    They could not get it working. The ratio of the cable pull was wrong. It would almost work but then skip across two of the biggest cogs with one shift.

    DO NOT WASTE YOUR TIME WITH THIS. Especially if you have a Mojo HD, the last generation XTR RR der, and 2011 10-speed shifters. It. Will. Not. Work.

    I hope this saves someone the time and frustration that I went through. F Shimano!

    I've put 20+ rides on a normal XT derailleur and it sucks. RR is so much better.

    And F-ing 10 cogs? WTF? Completely unneeded. More marketing BS from the components manufacturers. A$$holes!
    That this would work. I'm in the same camp as you guys. I love Rapid Rise. It just makes more sense. When going from a flat/downhill into a technical uphill, being able to dump gears without having to change hand positions is a huge bonus.

    I'm new to the 10 speed world and did my first race yesterday on a very, very technical course and I missed a few easy uphills because I could dumb gears fast enough. Granted, it could be because I'm used to RR, but I've been on 12 rides and I'm still having a tough time.

    Shimano, Sram, baby Jesus....whoever. Please make a RR derailleur for 10 speed again. I'd be happy to pay more for one that would work.

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    So far my RR 10-sp. setup looks like it will work. Still waiting on a frame to bolt it all up to, but have the indexed (Shimano (BS79 barcons) shifter installed on the brake lever and cable run to a RD (Shimano XT M770-SGS) and it seems to line up with the rear cogs on every shift position up and down the gears. If index mode does not work, I can always fall back to friction mode, but hoping the index works when I get it all on the frame with a chain running through it.

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    Good job!

    Quote Originally Posted by cpclydesdale View Post
    No. I've been down this path and it wasn't pretty. 1st I tried just running my same old 2x9 Dues XC crankset and the new 10 speed chain would get stuck in between the rings and not seat properly on the teeth. 2nd I tried changing to 10 speed rings and keeping the cranks, this just made the chain getting stuck between the rings worse. Chainring washers didn't help, because it weakened the rings and allowed them to flex. 3rd I ordered an X9 2x10 crank and F. derailleur, mounted it, and now I ride with no issues and a stiffer more direct crankset.

    Don't make the mistakes I did. Just get a complete 10 speed drivetrain.
    This seems to contradict what is said in the original post, which has also been confirmed in later posts.

    Is SRAM's 10 speed system different in this respect from Shimano's?

    Has anyone else experienced similar issues when mixing 9 speed crankset and chainrings with 10 spd chain and cassette?

    I'm thinking of using the following components for my new drivetrain:

    - 9 spd Saint crankset
    - 9 spd Saint front derailleur
    - 10 spd XT cassette
    - 10 spd XT rear derailleur
    - 10 spd XT chain
    - 10 spd front and rear XT shifters

    May I mix these?

    EDIT - update: according to this post you can mix Saint 9 spd crankset and rings with XT 10 spd drivetrain:
    Shimano Saint 10 speed?
    Last edited by solitone; 04-16-2012 at 01:48 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by solitone View Post
    This seems to contradict what is said in the original post, which has also been confirmed in later posts.

    Is SRAM's 10 speed system different in this respect from Shimano's?

    Has anyone else experienced similar issues when mixing 9 speed crankset and chainrings with 10 spd chain and cassette?

    I'm thinking of using the following components for my new drivetrain:

    - 9 spd Saint crankset
    - 9 spd Saint front derailleur
    - 10 spd XT cassette
    - 10 spd XT rear derailleur
    - 10 spd XT chain
    - 10 spd front and rear XT shifters

    May I mix these?

    EDIT - update: according to this post you can mix Saint 9 spd crankset and rings with XT 10 spd drivetrain:
    Shimano Saint 10 speed?
    You have a 9 speed fd so I would think it should work.

    Not the same parts as yours, but I just put on a Shimano XTR 9 speed (triple) crankset, while everything else on the bike is 10 speed (fr derailleur Shimano SLX, rear derailleur SRAM X.9, SRAM X.7shifters, XTR cassette and chain). Works very well. Shifting is not quite as good as with the 10 speed crankset (Shimano M552), but good enough. I'm enjoying the lighter cranks.

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    will 10 speed crankset work with 9 speed setup? want to get XTR 980 cranks to replace the cranks I now have - all else is 9 speed setup.

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    Yes, it will work fine with a 9 speed chain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by epiphreddy View Post
    Yes, it will work fine with a 9 speed chain.
    thanx buddy - will I need to adjust spacing between front chaingrings? 10 speed chain is slimmer than 9 speed - that's why I ask.

    thanx again

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    So here is what i found that does work and it workes well.
    9sp XT crankset
    9sp XT FD
    9sp XT Front Shifter
    10sp XTR Shadow Plus RD (freakin awesome by the way!)
    10sp XT 11-36 Cassette Dynasys
    10sp XT Rear Shifter Dynasys
    10sp Sram 1031 chain.

    Installed and tuned in seconds! Shifts perfect front and rear. Under hard load up hill and no load down hill. Basically I was able to go 2x10 using my XT tripple and a bash. Set my high limit to prevent the FD from over shifting past the middle chainring. Bought 10speed stuff for the rear and that is all she wrote. Cheap and easy.. if you dont figure in the XTR shadow plus.....

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