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    8 speed extinction ...

    I checked the SRAM website the other day. It seems in the 2008 lineup that they have removed 8 speed shifters from their X-9 level. Not only that, they have also removed 8 speed from the X-7 line. They also removed the 8 speed X-5 trigger. The highest 8 speed shifter they're offering is the junky X-5 with the goofy viewing window.

    So what does everyone think of SRAM removing higher end 8 speed options? I for one think I'll be hoarding 8 speed X-9 gripshifts.

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    8 speed is going the way of the eight track, the polyester leisure suit, VHS and Vee brakes.

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    8 speed will never die
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ausable
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    Sadly it's dead!

    Quote Originally Posted by Ausable
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    I wish! but I think it's dead! I hate to say it but it is, well at least it is for me. A good light 8 speed cassettes are hard to come by now. I have one Ti XTR cassette left and once that's gone I'll have to upgrade to 9 speed or maybe run the XT 11-30 cassette. The SRAM 8 speed cassette are junk. I love the Ti XTR 950 8 cassette, 12-32 was perfect.

    Maybe this is the excuse I need to go single speed. --Mark

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    Not quite extinct, but definitely on the endangered species list.

    I'm in the process of finishing a new build and had wanted to make it 8-speed but based on what I'm seeing with parts availability, I just couldn't justify putting together a new bike with parts that will be hard to replace in the near future. I already have three 8-speed bikes and am starting to stash parts for those (I just bought a NOS set of xt 8-speed rapidfire shifters for future use).
    It's really a shame that Shimano and Sram are forcing this issue on us. I already have one 9-speed bike and have not found any advantage to it for me. The chain may be a little lighter weight, but the cassettes are a lot heavier than comparable 8-speed stuff, and unless you're running a single ring up front, who actually needs a 32 or 34-tooth cog?
    If you have 8-speeds and want to keep them that way, not a bad idea to start searching out the good 8-speed parts and starting your own stash.
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    Quote Originally Posted by trailville
    unless you're running a single ring up front, who actually needs a 32 or 34-tooth cog?
    That depends on how strong you are. I'm running 11-32 on a 29er (higher gearing) right now. I make it a point NOT to shift into the 32 unless I REALLY need to. If a 34 tooth 8 speed was available (not a Mega-Range), I'd probably use it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by willtsmith_nwi
    That depends on how strong you are. I'm running 11-32 on a 29er (higher gearing) right now. I make it a point NOT to shift into the 32 unless I REALLY need to. If a 34 tooth 8 speed was available (not a Mega-Range), I'd probably use it.
    Oh, so it's the 29ers fault. Thanks alot guys.

    On a 26er, I never felt the need for anything bigger than a 28 in back. When I first shifted into the 34 on a 9-speed, I almost fell of the bike. I still have the 34 on that bike and when I ride it I have to make a mental note to NEVER SHIFT INTO THE 22-34 COMBO!. It does tempt me to just go 1x9. At least that way I'll appreciate 9-speed.
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    8 speed parts (shifters, cassette, chains) are easily found at a few German online retailers, I hope some of the big US shops (jenson, price point) will commit to the 8speed devolution .
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    Quote Originally Posted by willtsmith_nwi
    I checked the SRAM website the other day. It seems in the 2008 lineup that they have removed 8 speed shifters from their X-9 level. Not only that, they have also removed 8 speed from the X-7 line. They also removed the 8 speed X-5 trigger. The highest 8 speed shifter they're offering is the junky X-5 with the goofy viewing window.

    So what does everyone think of SRAM removing higher end 8 speed options? I for one think I'll be hoarding 8 speed X-9 gripshifts.

    Wilt I couldn't agree with you more. My X9 8 speed twisters and rear derailleur are by FAR the best drivetrain I have every used or would hope to. It handles ANY CONDITION with ease and never even burps. You could not improve on this system. Sram used to be the anti Shimano by offering options that Shimano didn't (like high end 8 speed stuff). Like you I will buy a few more sets of X9 8 speed twisters asap and I already have 2 now, one one the bike and an extra. Man I love those shifters like you wouldn't believe. Pleaseeeeeeeee Sram read these boards and keep what you have right now at least. I would have definitely bought XO 8 speed twisters if they still made them even though they are basically the same as the X9. I might have to start playing with a single speed and say screw you the Sram and Shimano and their petty little games.
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    Quote Originally Posted by willtsmith_nwi
    That depends on how strong you are. I'm running 11-32 on a 29er (higher gearing) right now. I make it a point NOT to shift into the 32 unless I REALLY need to. If a 34 tooth 8 speed was available (not a Mega-Range), I'd probably use it.
    i totally feel your pain. why can't sram just make a good 11/12-34 8 speed cassette? i run a 29/42 2X9 setup and with a 11-34 9 speed right now but if i could get a good 8 speed setup going i would go that route for the reliability. action-tec makes said cassette in ti but you're looking to spend about $150. it might be worth it if it lasts twice as long as a normal steel cassette though.

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    When I built my bike, I was set on a 2x8 drivetrain from the start. Before I had a standard 11-34 Shimano XT setup, and I never felt that it lived up to the reliability which was attributed to Shimano XT. On top of this, I rarely found myself using anything but the range of gears found within an 11-32, 2x8 drivetrain. It works perfectly for the type of aggressive riding that I do, and coupled with the XO derailleur, it's never given me any need to make any adjustments. The Shimano XT front derailleur that I use has actually given me more headaches than any one component on my bike.
    I've never had any problems with my X5 8spd triggers, and I only just recently had to replace the cassette & chain. The Truvativ chainrings were actually a bit worse in the wear department than the cassette. Not bad after over a year's worth of abuse.
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    8 is enough

    I run 9spd everything on two different bikes except for 8spd right shifter, chain and cassette.

    I run the all steal XTR 12-32 8spd cassette- Very durable.

    One bike is Sram X& 8spd ****er with a 9.0 derailer.

    The Other is XTR 8sp shifter and XTR derailer.

    These were easy setups and I never ever have to adjust.

    Hey bike industry are you listening????? We want high quality 8sd Cassettes.

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    I still ride 8 speed and see no reason to upgrade, other than my shifters eventually breaking. If anyone has a set of 8 speed XT or XTR shifters let me know.

    Also about the V-Brakes, I still prefer the feel of my v-brakes a better control. Don't get me wrong disc brakes are great but nothing beats the feel of a great v-brake(in dry conditions, not flying down a hill on a 40lbs bike)
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    good riddance. The more gears the better.


    I'm eagerly awaiting the 4 speed crankset.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scottzg
    good riddance. The more gears the better.


    I'm eagerly awaiting the 4 speed crankset.
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    as long as possible

    I'm going to run an 8 speed as long as possible. You'll probably always be able to get 8 speed parts, but the high end stuff is going to harder and harder to find.

    I've got an extra 8 speed ti XTR cassette stashed in the closet, but when that goes, I'll probably have to suck it up and go for 9

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    Quote Originally Posted by grawbass


    there's nothing new under the sun.
    affect befect cefect defect effect fect

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    Unfortunately, I can`t imagine 8-speed holding out indefinetely either. Having never had more than 8 on my cassette, I can`t say as I really know it to be better, but I have no problems now with my X-7 triggers or my PG 850. Really, it ticks me off to be forced like that. I see no reason why both SRAM and Shimano can`t continue to manufacture the stuff. What does it take to hang onto an extra set of tooling for a production run once in a while? If they missed out on selling a few nine speed components, they`d make it up by selling the eight speed stuff that was bought instead. I feel the same way about V-brakes, but more-so. There are several minor points that bug me about discs, but none that I couldn`t live with if I had to. The main reason I stay with my Vs is that I`m so ticked off about losing options. Let`s just hope that we don`t get stuck with 10-speed crap like the roadies. Even nine-speed is starting to get limited in that department.
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    Quote Originally Posted by willis.4
    If anyone has a set of 8 speed XT or XTR shifters let me know.
    You can still find them
    Here are some at Nashbar
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    Quote Originally Posted by willis.4
    I still ride 8 speed and see no reason to upgrade, other than my shifters eventually breaking. If anyone has a set of 8 speed XT or XTR shifters let me know.

    Also about the V-Brakes, I still prefer the feel of my v-brakes a better control. Don't get me wrong disc brakes are great but nothing beats the feel of a great v-brake(in dry conditions, not flying down a hill on a 40lbs bike)
    Shifters aren't really the issue for me. I couldn't tell you the last time I had a shifter just break on me. Now cassettes on the other hand, they get replaced about once a year sometimes more. Good high end cassettes are hard to come by now-a-days. Chain Reaction was the last place I knew of that I could still get XTR Ti 8 speed cassettes but sadly, they are all gone now. I still have one new XTR cassette left. After I wear that one out I'll likely upgrade to 9 speed.

    I have to disagree about the v-brakes. I'll probably never go back. Disc are better in every category other than weight. To me, v-brakes are either on or off, they have almost no modulation because they grab so far out on the wheel. And with hydros, maintenance is near zero. But it's all personal preference I guess. --Mark

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    I just don`t get it. There are obviously people who want eight. Why would the manufacturers stop turning them out? They`ve already done all the R&D, made up tooling, they have customers and distribution schemes. And since they`re producing 9-sp stuff as is, it isn`t that much more they need to do. This confuses me every time I see my favorites going obsolete. DANG!
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    9 speed sucks...

    9 speed drivetrains are total garbage. SRAM are idiots and scoundrels for dumping 8 and making us use their 9 speed crap systems.
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    ActionTec still offers titanium 8 speed cassettes in the really light category, and in the reasonably light category Suntour Powerflo 8spd cassettes are offered in 11-28, 11-30 and 11-32 sizes. The 11-28 ones are about 270g as I recall (i haven't any handy not on bikes at the moment to pop onto the scale quickly) which is only about 15g heavier than a Deore XT 11-28 8s. The Suntour one retails for $20 though.
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    8 Spd w/ New Crank

    So, for the fun of it I've been hotrodding a 1998 Raleigh M600 and was doing some looking around on the web and came across this thread.

    What would be ideal is to be able to run a 'modern' crank (i.e. one with integrated BB spindle and outboard bearings) like a Shimano LX or XT but still remain 8 speed. Seems like these cranks are always made for 9 speed drive trains.

    In this thread I saw that someone is running 9 speed everything except for the right shifter, cassette and chain - these are all 8 speed. How does this work out? Seems like you could run into problems with using an 8 speed chain on a crank designed to be used with a 9 speed chain... Maybe not tho...

    So, my current drivetrain setup is: All Shimano XT 8 speed. Anyone know of any issues I'll run into just attempting to put a Shimano LX (FC-M580) crankset on this?

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    nah, cranks that come set up for 9 speed will run 8 speed stuff just fine. my next drivetrain will be 1)action-tec 11-34 cassette, surly mr. whirly crankset(if the weight isn't too bad)w/xtr bb, double spider w/compact 29/42 rings, x9 rear derailleur, prolly stick with xt front derailleur or might try a dura-ace, xo left grip shift and x9 right 8 speed grip. should be a pretty sweet setup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeke808

    In this thread I saw that someone is running 9 speed everything except for the right shifter, cassette and chain - these are all 8 speed. How does this work out? Seems like you could run into problems with using an 8 speed chain on a crank designed to be used with a 9 speed chain... Maybe not tho...
    They're all made for 9 speed these days. They work fine with 8 speed setups. The rings are just a little bit narrower then they used to be. The indexing is still the same (and it is universal). I'm running a 2008 XT crank with an old SRAM 9.0 8 speed shifters.

    Honestly, I had a real kick in the teeth today. I tried to upgrade to a set of X-9s that I bought. The shifters were wider than my 9.0s and they would not fit along with my lock on grips and bar ends on an oversized Azonic Strip Bar. I'm going to have to consider where to get some space back as a 28" wide bar SHOULD be plenty of space.

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    8 and 9

    I'm the 9spd everything except for 8sd chain cassette and right shifter.

    I have 9spd XT cranks on both bikes with an 8spd set up. One XT setup has the outside bearings. One bike is a Dean Jester softail the other is Titus Moto Lite. Works perfect easy to set up- no adjusting, no need to keep clean- Just a simple wipe and lube every once in awhile.

    9spd systems create the interest for single speeds.

    I also run a bike with a 7spd cassette. The only thing 7spd is the shifter and the cassette. The rest of the drivetain is 8 or 9spd. Never a problem.

    My favorite cassette is the 8spd XTR cassette- all steal non titanium 12-32.

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    Awesome. Thanks for the feedback guys. Up until yesterday I didn't even consider this as a possibility and now it looks like it's the way I'm gonna go - I might even be able to get by with a 2x8 - that would be awesome - or maybe a 2x9. Thanks again.

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    i want to buy a pair of better quality 8 spd shifters, and i was wondering what would be a better choice: getting a new pair of sram attack shifters or a used (or NOS) set of xt shifters? seems like a pair of xt's would be at least eight or nine years old by now, right? and if that's the case, would the newer sram's be just as good as the older xt's? also, judging from prices i've seen on ebay and elsewhere online, the srams would be cheaper.

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    Quote Originally Posted by golivar
    i want to buy a pair of better quality 8 spd shifters, and i was wondering what would be a better choice: getting a new pair of sram attack shifters or a used (or NOS) set of xt shifters? seems like a pair of xt's would be at least eight or nine years old by now, right? and if that's the case, would the newer sram's be just as good as the older xt's? also, judging from prices i've seen on ebay and elsewhere online, the srams would be cheaper.
    Why not just get a new set of XT 8 speed? CRC has them in stock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marks_bike
    Why not just get a new set of XT 8 speed? CRC has them in stock.

    http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/M...?ModelID=10278

    thanks for the link, but with shipping the total is close to $100! seems a bit steep to me, unfortunately. i guess it looks like i'm leaning towards the sram attack. i was just wondering if the older xt's are still a better choice than the srams, and if they're worth the extra cost.

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    This is what I run

    Quote Originally Posted by golivar
    thanks for the link, but with shipping the total is close to $100! seems a bit steep to me, unfortunately. i guess it looks like i'm leaning towards the sram attack. i was just wondering if the older xt's are still a better choice than the srams, and if they're worth the extra cost.

    I run XT, XTR and Sram X7 right side 8spd shifters. They are all good and still function after many years. Keep in mind you only need the right side to be 8spd. You can run almost any left shifter pod.

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    I hope this is not too far off topic but I'm running an 8 speed setup and I need a new middle chain ring. Can I use any with the same bolt patern?

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    yes

    Quote Originally Posted by surfndav
    I hope this is not too far off topic but I'm running an 8 speed setup and I need a new middle chain ring. Can I use any with the same bolt patern?
    yes- no problem. I run 9spd cranks and everything else except for 8spd right shifter pod, chain and cassette.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JediSith
    yes- no problem. I run 9spd cranks and everything else except for 8spd right shifter pod, chain and cassette.
    Just got NOS I-drive and it meaned going back to 8speed. Gt had alivio combolevers and
    V-brakes. From my old bike (broken trek fuel) I got discbrakes and left shifter,only
    shifter for right side readily available was again Alivio! Works just fine. maybe i have to start collecting 8speed parts,living in Finland all the netshops in Germany are rather near
    I also have older Haro which is 7speed and even that has enough gears...

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