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    2x10 Crank with 9 speed setup

    Looking for an affordable way to move from a 3x9 setup to a 2x9 setup for XC and trail riding. I would like to switch to an XX or XO 10 speed crank, but keep my 9 speed X9 rear derailleur, X9 trigger shifters, 9 speed chain, and XT front derailleur. I don't know if the chain ring spacing on the XX or XO 10 speed cranks is the same as a 9 speed crank. Does anyone know about the compatibility of this set up? Will a 9 speed chain work? Is the shift indexing the same? Any insights will be greatly appreciated.

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    Why not go with an SLX crank (double)? Cheap, very durable and totally 9 speed compatible - all you have to do is adjust the limit screw on your front derailleur.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FrankinMich
    Looking for an affordable way to move from a 3x9 setup to a 2x9 setup for XC and trail riding. I would like to switch to an XX or XO 10 speed crank, but keep my 9 speed X9 rear derailleur, X9 trigger shifters, 9 speed chain, and XT front derailleur. I don't know if the chain ring spacing on the XX or XO 10 speed cranks is the same as a 9 speed crank. Does anyone know about the compatibility of this set up? Will a 9 speed chain work? Is the shift indexing the same? Any insights will be greatly appreciated.

    I'm essentially wondering he same thing... I've got Simano 9-speed - but sine the issue will be with the FD - I don't think it will matter. I have ordered a SRAM x.7 2x10 crankset in 28/42 ($150) that has the same dimensions as the XX - but is forged and heavier (by nearly 300g) which doesn't matter to me since it's for a touring bike.

    (Here's my post and the one reply I got)

    I've done some research and there is a 6mm space between the chainrings (see SRAM tech doc page 109 - here). The spacing from ring center to ring center is 8 mm and the rings are 2mm wide based on this document - take away .5 ring width (1mm each) and that puts the gap at 6mm. I believe that 9-speed should be around 7 or 8 mm between rings. how that'll play out with a 9-speed front derailleur I do not know yet. I've been told it should work ...

    I've been told when I asked this q that there may be some chain rub due to closer spacing and the fact that a 10-speed chain is narrower - on the outside. I actually have learned that you can run a 10-speed chain on a 9-speed drivetrain as the inner plates are the same distance apart as on a 9-speed.

    I should have my crank Tuesday and I'll post how/if it works.

    I''m guessing that someone has done this and knows firsthand - but I have not found anything on it yet...

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    Let us know how you get on. I'm also thinking about doing this with an XTR double. I guess if the chain does rub on the chain rings, a 10 speed chain will resolve the issue.

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    I thought the same thing about a chain and have a 10s chain with limited mileage on it sitting on my bench right now!

    I will post as soon as I get my system sorted and running...

    In the meantime I did a bit more reading (this thread has a lot of good info) and it appears that to accommodate the narrower gap between rings on the new 10-speed Front Derailleurs actually move a bit less than older FDs - which makes sense to me. Apparently they work fine with older 9-speed shifters... so I may need a new FD. I'm going to try an older Dura Ace FD I've got kicking around before I go and spend anther $45...

    I suspect that to go from a 3x9 to a 2x9 with a new 10-speed crankset requires a new FD and a 10 spd chain - the rest should work fine...

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    From what I have been reading this all sounds correct. I have been having this debate with myself for a couple of weeks now. I currently have an all XO 9sp set up with triple front crank set. Now looking getting an XO 2x10 crank set and running a 10sp chain. Setting the front derailer end points for use with the “bottem” 2 rings and see how it works. I am not planning on completing this for a few months (have frame to purchase first). Does anyone see an issue with this?

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    ... This just in ...

    Double post...
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    ... This just in ...

    I just spoke with someone at SRAM tech support and got some interesting/potentially useful info:

    A Shimano 3x shifter pulls 11.5mm of cable first (small ring to middle), then pulls 7.7 mm (middle ring to large ring).

    The SRAM 2x is designed to pull 7.7mm of cable to accommodate for the narrower gap between the rings on the double. She didn't say anything about a SRAM FD moving less (and I never asked which I probably should have...) which seems to indicate that:
    A. Shimano has changed the FD's movement leaving the shifter alone (as noted the FD moves less with the same cable pull)
    B. SRAM has changed the front shifter and left the FD alone to do the same thing ...

    Conclusion: If using a 2x10 crankset - you should - IN THEORY - be able to use a Shimano 3x shifter in the 2nd-3rd position with you current FD and make it work. SRAM tech support indicated that it could indeed work. The difference of .2 mm shouldn't be too much of an issue.

    If that doesn't work, then a Shimano - and NOT a SRAM FD (since their 10 spd FD moves the same amount as 9-spd w/ 3x shifters) will likely work better. I also see that SRAM FD's do not have clamps for 28.6... so us steel steed riders need to find a shim, blah, blah, blah.

    The other thing I have not been able to find out is the spacing between rings on Shimano's 2x10 crankset... thought I bet is has to be pretty close given the 10spd chain size (outer) is the same - though their Dyna... system may impact that as well.

    This is getting complicated...

    God luck out there...
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    That is very good info! Thank you Stevereeneo

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    It works!!!!!

    I have just returned from a short test ride of my new SRAM x.7 2x10 crankset and I pleased to announce that it works like a dream!

    I installed the crank - super easy GXP BB and crank - and initially tried to use an XT front derailleur ... but it was not working so well so - I pulled out a Dura Ace - that's right roadie stuff - FD and after screwing the inner limit screw all the way in so the cage was a bit further outboard - it worked!

    I can get just about the entire cassette on both both rings - with only slight rubbing on the most crossed-over combinations - which I don't do anyway.

    So, here's the full drivetrain set-up on the Salsa Vaya:

    Shifters - Shimano XT Dual Control levers
    Crankset - SRAM x.7 2x10, 28/42 rings, 175mm w/ GXP bottom bracket
    (These cranks $142 @ Speedgoat - I price matched it @ ebikestop since they are right near me and I can pick it up without shipping)
    Front derailleur - Shimano Dura Ace 7700
    Cassette - Shimano HG61 12-36
    Rear derailleur - XT
    Chain - Wipperman 10spd Connex

    I didn't even try to use the 2-3 shifting position with the XT FD ... that may work as well. I was just glad I didn't need to purchase anything else...

    When I went to pick the crankset - the guy said that at "SRAM School" they told him that the 2x9 would not work with the new 2x10 cranks... he was definitely curious if it could be done.

    I hope my research was helpful to others... it'd be great to see more 2x9s out there... for my use (on/off-road touring) this setup will work perfectly!

    Edit - cell phone pics added.
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    I have a new Camber expert with full Shimano 10 speed (3x10) and want to go 2x10. Couldn't afford the pro model. The SLX cranks say they are only for 9 speed. (will those in fact work?) But the XTR doubles are through the roof on price. Do they simply not have a 2x10 crank out in anything under xtr? It is dang confusing out there. Thanks!

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    I don't know much about the SLX cranks... I have my doubts that they can't be used with a 10s chain - I'd bet they can - but I'm not positive.

    The Sram x.7 (S1400) 2x10 crank I have is pretty nice and the shifting is quit smooth. For $142 @ Speedgoat I think it'll be tough to beat...

    Shimano does not yet have a 2x10 crank under XTR (AFAIK) - I'm going to bet the XT that comes out by spring will be hot seller if they can get it under $200 ... if not - the SRAM will be a nice alternative.

    Good luck!
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    Slightly OT, but can you comment on the color of the X7 cranks? Are they black, or more of a darker blue/grey?

    Thanks

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    Will shimano xt 10 speed FD work with sram x0 9 speed grip shifters?

    The crank used will be shimano xt 10 speed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bikerboyj17
    Slightly OT, but can you comment on the color of the X7 cranks? Are they black, or more of a darker blue/grey?

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    I'd say a darker blue/grey
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dictatorsaurus
    Will shimano xt 10 speed FD work with sram x0 9 speed grip shifters?

    The crank used will be shimano xt 10 speed.


    9 speed FD works with 10 speed crank set and chain FWIW.

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    I'm certainly no expert, but I am confused why Shimano doesn't have a lower cost 2x10 crank than the XTR. Seems like it would be easy to offer and so many people are wanting these types of setups. Must be political, because common sense would (I think) say give the people what they need, or in this case, are already buying from our competitor! Anyway, I may try the the Sram X7 2x10 in place of the stock Shimano FC-M552 on the Camber expert and see how that does. I have SLX shifters and may have the same issues others have had with the FD. Nice to know a 2x10 road derailer works just in case.

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    Now I just read that the Camber pro has SLX shifters but a X7 2x10 FD. How is that possible? I thought those two wouldn't work together because of the 2:1 vs 1:1 issue. Any thoughts?

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    Unless you have issues with your cranks, why not order some different chainrings and try different combos? I've got a 24t granny (I may try a 26t also) and 36t middle ring on order to convert my 3x9 and ditch the 44t. I'll be swapping the 11-32 with the shimano 12-36 9sp cassette to duplicate the same realistically used gear range.

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    What do you guys think of this as a 2x9 speed alternative?

    http://www.pricepoint.com/detail/204...6-Crankset.htm

    Also, are there any big differences between the X7 and X9 2x10 cranksets? The weight is almost identical, and the color seems to the biggest difference.
    The X9 comes in 2 ratios as well.
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    is the spider on the x7 crank held on by three bolts like the x9 and xo

    cant find any pics on the web
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    Quote Originally Posted by SlowerJoe
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    is the spider on the x7 crank held on by three bolts like the x9 and xo

    cant find any pics on the web
    thanks SJ
    I have not seen the X9 or the X0 crankset - just the XX... post some links if you've got them.

    I just checked and there are 3 bolts - two closer together than the others... a tall triangle if you will... I'd never even noticed them before - I wonder if that means that the BCD will be the same for all of them and then there will be different options for changing rings...

    I hope that helps.
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    dose it look like this ?
    thanks SJ
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    Yup, looks like the same 3 bolts ...

    I looked at the FSA Afterburner crank... it looks cool as hell - but I think the 3bolt bcd thing is not ideal for touring (my Salsa is an on/off road touring bike) - I need strong and easily fixable. I'm hoping that there are enough aftermarket chainrings (Are you listening Blackspire?) that I can get replacements in the future. Given SRAM's committment to this and the fact that all their cranks will use the same bcd I think this will be a better choice for my purposes.

    The crankarms of the x.9 and the x.7 look similar - the only visable difference is the color/paint then there is the price difference of almost $100... there is a weight difference of about 100g (785g - bb30 vs 871g - gxp as per speedgoat)... I never weighed mine (weighing parts on a touring bike is a bit like trying to make a pickup truck aerodynamic - really not necessary... ) That I could get mine for under $150 was perfect for my budget and needs.

    I'm really happy with mine after several rides and shifting under load to try to make it mess up and not being able to... this is a nice crank that shifts quite nicely and bang for buck I think it will likely be the new "XT" crank...

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    The X7 and X9 GXP w/bb seem to be the same weight and use the same rings. The only difference I can find is the finish on the cranks, and gear ratio options on the X9.
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    Different gear ratios for X.7 & X.9?

    I believe the same two gear ratios are offered in both X.7 and X.9 - 28/42 & 26/39

    Have I missed something?

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    Yeah your right speedgoat offers both in both ratios.

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    First, let me say "Hi" since this is my first post!

    I would like to know if your set up is still working fine after more than a month of use?

    I've been riding a 2x9 bike for more than 10 years now (Cannondale F-3000SL, 2001). However, I bought a Giant Anthem X2 last year and I really want to switch that 3X9 (XT crank) for a 2X9.

    The SRAM cranks look nice!

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    I guess I'm just lazy and have more money than brains.

    I want to go to a 2x9 setup sometime in 2011 and all I'm planning to do is get a X0 2x10 crankset, the X0 2 step front Derailleur, and try to get an X0 2spd front trigger shifter to match, or if not Jenson sells the XX 2spd fr. shifter for $140.

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    so can you use a 9 spd chain on a 2x9 system with the 10 spd Sram S1400 Crankset?

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    I'm bumping this old thread for some more info, does anyone know if I can use my 3 speed front shifter with the newer 2x10 crank? I can just crank in the upper limit screw?

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    Quote Originally Posted by alias33 View Post
    I'm bumping this old thread for some more info, does anyone know if I can use my 3 speed front shifter with the newer 2x10 crank? I can just crank in the upper limit screw?
    I don't think you can. The 2spd stuff is less tolerant and I've read that you really need the 2spd parts.
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    I just pulled off the small ring and called it a day...until i switched to slicks and decided i was undergeared. Installed 110bcd spider, 48/36t rings. We have no hills here so i never use the 36t but leave the FD on so the chain doesn't fall off. Is there any reason to run a crank specifically designed for use as a double? rings spaced closer?

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    Quote Originally Posted by alias33 View Post
    I'm bumping this old thread for some more info, does anyone know if I can use my 3 speed front shifter with the newer 2x10 crank? I can just crank in the upper limit screw?
    Yes you can - I've done this on 3 bikes now. You will get the best results if you match the FD to the crank though - i.e. if you have a 9 speed triple crank and swap the chanrings to a double setup, then keep the same FD. With a 10 speed crank, it may be helpful to change to a newer front derailleur but I've setup a bike with 9 speed XTR shifters, FD and a 26/36 X0 crank but get some chain drop from time to time.

    Quote Originally Posted by benja55 View Post
    I don't think you can. The 2spd stuff is less tolerant and I've read that you really need the 2spd parts.
    Maybe try commenting on things that you've done, instead of what you read on the internet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by .RJ View Post
    Maybe try commenting on things that you've done, instead of what you read on the internet.
    Maybe I'll try that! Thanks for the tip.
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    Quote Originally Posted by manbeer View Post
    I just pulled off the small ring and called it a day...until i switched to slicks and decided i was undergeared. Installed 110bcd spider, 48/36t rings. We have no hills here so i never use the 36t but leave the FD on so the chain doesn't fall off. Is there any reason to run a crank specifically designed for use as a double? rings spaced closer?
    Usually you would pull off the large ring or replace it with a bashguard as the small and middle rings offer much better chain line than the large one. In 2x setups, it is not unusual to use all cogs on a cassette with either ring. A dedicated 2x9 or 2x10 cranks retain the spacing but place them a bit more outboard for a better chain/frame clearance (IIRC).

    I run 2x10 XT rings on a 3x9 SLX crank w/o any issues but I highly recommend getting a 2x FD. I made the 3x FD work OK but it was not pretty.

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    My mix match experiences

    I have run the following mix/match set ups:

    On road bike: 105 10sp cranks, double Ultegra FD, 10 sp chain, with 9 sp shifters and 9 speed cassette. Basically 9 speed setup with 10sp crank and chain. Works with no trouble.

    Slx triple crankset (for 9 speed), converted to double and used the shorter chainring bolts with a 38 and 26 by Blackspire. Kept the 9 sp FD, and front shifter. Then paired this with 10 sp chain, xt shifter, RD and cassette. No issues at all. I do think using a double specific FD up front helped avoid issues as when I used a triple I had chain rub which wasn't there with the shorter cage.
    I also currently run a 2x9 set up with no issues. All xt using shorter chain ring bolts to drop the big ring. I did however just pick up a new 10sp RD, cassette, shifter, and chain with plans to run it as a 2x10. I think there really is something to the Shimano dynasys systems. Some of the smoothest, most reliable shifting I've ever had.

    Just my experiences
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