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    2004 Gary Fisher Sugar Race BB & Crank

    Hello all,

    I purchased a 2004 Gary Fisher Sugar Race last year intended for a complete rebuild. Was lucky enough to find one with cracks in frame and the geometry is perfect me.

    Anyways, i'm down to the frame, prepped and resprayed ready for the rebuild to begin.

    I'm a novice so terms and such is incorrect please bear with me

    Question: The Sugar race came with 73x113 square taper BB but i'm wanting to to set up bike with single front and 10 or 11 rear.....from what i can tell crank sets to fit square tapered are limited so am I forced to sway away from the indestructible UN54/55 BB if i want a decent crank set?

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    Assuming you have a 5 bolt crankset, you could get one of these:
    https://www.wolftoothcomponents.com/...r-5-arm-cranks

    and something like these:
    https://www.worldwidecyclery.com/pro...yABEgK3DfD_BwE

    Then you could use the cranks and bottom bracket you already have.

    Otherwise, there are multitudes of options for cranks that work with all kinds of different threaded bottom bracket configurations.

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    You basically need whatever crankset you want with a BSA 68/73mm bottom bracket that fits the crankset spindle. Budget SRAM would be the NX or GX. You could go with the raceface aefect or Shimano SLX, Xt, etc...

    If you have a 3x crankset, wolftooth makes a single speed chainring for older 5 arm cranks.
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    Looking up your bike, it appears it came with an XT crank with a 4 bolt 104 bcd crank, non-square taper BB.
    https://www.bicyclebluebook.com/Sear...82&model=54981

    If thats what you have, then you have your choice of narrow wide chainrings to put on it.

    There are still some decent triple cranks out there with square taper mount, but ensuring the proper chain line and bottom bracket spindle length is the challenge. I'm going through that right now.

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    Sorry guys, work got the best of me! So after closer examination here is what I have

    68/73 BB, splined, not tapered and bontrager triple (trashed)

    Looking to replace to newer BB to accommodate newer single ring/crank maintaining my rear wheel/cassette making it a 1x9.

    Can't figure out where to post pic?

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    to post a picture, click on "Go Advanced", then either attach the file or insert an image.

    Bottom brackets are relatively cheap money. You are better off selecting the crank you want, then buying a new BB to go with it.

    I'm also a little confused because you seem to be changing your story. You initially said that you were thinking of 10 or 11 gears in the back, now you are saying you want to make it a 1x9.

    Is your bike the one that i linked above? The bottom bracket and crank don't seem to match what you described.

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    Hello VBall,

    Confused myself a bit as well but think maybe some parts got changed over the course of it's life. When i got it it was the nasty Red/yellow Race, XTR derailers, carbon stay etc.

    Nevertheless the thing is down to bare frame and i was incorrect in my past description of needs......

    This is purely going to be an enjoyment ride, with the kids and such maybe some urban jumps but nothing crazy as the frame wouldn't last that anyways! Looking to build oldschool, v brakes etc.

    Basically what I have

    Frame + rear shock connecting carbon stays. Resprayed Blue/yellow
    Wheels (very odd Synergy Blue/yellow spoke wheels)
    Brand new Rockshox Recon Silver
    XTR rear derailer assume can be used for 1x9 setup? saving another purchase

    Looking to start with fresh on
    BB, Crank single, New shifter, new......V-Brakes and then all the loose ends.

    Take a look at pic, again purely a fun machine when i go riding with kids......I call her Ms. Ikea :-)
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    Can you post a pic of the derailleur as well?

    Your 1x cranksets are basically limited to 10sp and 11sp unless you want to convert an older 3x to 1x. The chainring width is the same but 10 and 11sp chains are more narrow than 9. You need to be absolutely sure the crankset chainring isn't too close to the drive side arm to use a 9sp chain. For example the Shimano SLX 1x crankset is listed as 11sp compatible only and I assume this is the reason.
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    Thank you Jestep,

    didn't know 1x cranksets are limited to 10/11 so got thing i'm checking. I would like to keep it clean so converting and old 3x is not desired. Is changing the cassette from 9 to 10 or 11 an option or would the entire wheel need extensive work to make it work?.......can't let the color matching wheels go of course :-)

    Otherwise i may be looking at just buying a new 3x crank, actually ok with that as well but rather do a 1x set up.

    I will have to take some more pics when i get home.
    I will take pics of current crankset, BB, Rear cassette and derailers

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    Quote Originally Posted by adam60191 View Post
    Thank you Jestep,

    didn't know 1x cranksets are limited to 10/11 so got thing i'm checking. I would like to keep it clean so converting and old 3x is not desired. Is changing the cassette from 9 to 10 or 11 an option or would the entire wheel need extensive work to make it work?.......can't let the color matching wheels go of course :-)

    Otherwise i may be looking at just buying a new 3x crank, actually ok with that as well but rather do a 1x set up.

    I will have to take some more pics when i get home.
    I will take pics of current crankset, BB, Rear cassette and derailers
    You could convert the wheel to 10 or 11 without any modification. You would need a different derailleur and shifter and cassette though. Some of the 1x10 or 1x11 cranks may work fine with your 9 speed cassette, just need to research to make sure there is adequate clearance between the chainring and crank arm.

    You could go 1x11 SLX or Sram NX. Both would have a similar cost for the drivetrain. IMO the shimano is slightly higher quality, I prefer Shimano shifters over the Sram ones but this is subjective.
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    Thank you much, i plan on taking it to LBS for BB, Crank, headset and fork install and i think you just gave me my parts list :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by adam60191 View Post
    Thank you much, i plan on taking it to LBS for BB, Crank, headset and fork install and i think you just gave me my parts list :-)
    Did you get the bike back yet? Interested in how the BB worked out, and what you used.

    I also have an older Gary Fisher (2003 Sugar+ with the adjustable Sybil rear geo). Just can't seem to get rid of it. Geometry is great (XC), climbs techy stuff like a goat, it fast and stable. It's unbreakable! It's been updated... Mavic wheelset, new fork, shock, etc. Has XT disks. Still a 3x9 (Bontrager/XT mix). Bought it new in 2003, and still ride it 5+ days a week. It'll never die.

    Playing with the idea of going to a 1x11. Have the parts list ready, but not sure if there's enough clearance for an external BB (replacing the original internal bearing ISIS BB). It looks like the lower part of the swing arm may interfere. I just ordered an XT BB to see if it'll clear. Sooo... interested in what you went with for a BB solution in case the XT BB doesn't fit. .

    As for the 1x11 set up... derailleur, shifter, cranskset, BB, chainring (32) are all XT. For the rear cassette, an e*thirteen FW1TPA-102. Although only an 11 versus a 12, it has a lot of range. With the 32T chainring, I'll most of the range i have with the 3x9.

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    Just dropped at LBS. He will be reverting with some options and will let you know the verdict

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    I'd recommend keeping your 9speed XTR derailleur/shifter/cassette. Assuming they are all fine of course. Modern 1x chainrings are designed with 10/11/12 speed chains in mind, but you can run an 10speed chain on your 9speed cassette without issues. I'm running a 10speed chain on my 1988 Klein Top Gun commuter and I'm only using 8speed stuff out back but have no issues. Have been running 9 or 10 speed chain on it for 2+ years now.
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    All done

    Hi guys

    Got a bit swamped at work the past week but finally managed to get bike picked up. Did a few changes along the way and did run in to some hiccup.

    1. tough to color match the scheme but i love it! '

    2. 11 speed cassette did not fit my specific rim hub. it was rubbing on inside of cassette and if we added smallest spacer the smallest cog wouldn't grab. We machined the rim hub lip maybe 1/2 mm and perfect fit!

    Runs like a champ

    M8000 1x11 components, XT V-brake/levers
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    Quote Originally Posted by adam60191 View Post
    Hi guys

    Got a bit swamped at work the past week but finally managed to get bike picked up. Did a few changes along the way and did run in to some hiccup.

    1. tough to color match the scheme but i love it! '

    2. 11 speed cassette did not fit my specific rim hub. it was rubbing on inside of cassette and if we added smallest spacer the smallest cog wouldn't grab. We machined the rim hub lip maybe 1/2 mm and perfect fit!

    Runs like a champ

    M8000 1x11 components, XT V-brake/levers
    That really looks nice. I've been breaking in a new Whyte T-130, so I've sidetracked updating my Sugar 3+, and will leave the XT 3x9 on it for now. When I get back around to the Sugar, I'll refer back to what you had done for the drive train.
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    Thank you.

    I have had a few good sessions on the bike and it's an absolute blast to ride. IKEA employees are jealous LOL

    Quote Originally Posted by fredcook View Post
    That really looks nice. I've been breaking in a new Whyte T-130, so I've sidetracked updating my Sugar 3+, and will leave the XT 3x9 on it for now. When I get back around to the Sugar, I'll refer back to what you had done for the drive train.

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