View Poll Results: Have you tried the SRAM 1x11 Drivetrain

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  • Yes, and I think it's the best drivetrain ever

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    1x11 Poll and Questions

    I'm doing a little research about 1x11. Have you tried 1x11? Did you like it, not like it or indifferent? What do you like or not like about it?

    Here's some info on the new XO1. Wish it was cheaper but it seems to work as good as XX1 for us so far. XO1 Specs and Info
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    Ok I haven't tried 1x11 per say but I have a 1x10 setup with a 32T wolftooth narrowide front and Shimano shadow plus rear deraileur. It works fine for most off trail riding. I think if I I went a little bigger on the front and was able to put a bigger cog in the rear it would be almost perfect, so yes I would certainly consider getting a 1x11 in the future once prices start coming down to earth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by francois View Post
    I'm doing a little research about 1x11. Have you tried 1x11? Did you like it, not like it or indifferent? What do you like or not like about it?

    Here's some info on the new XO1. Wish it was cheaper but it seems to work as good as XX1 for us so far. XO1 Specs and Info
    I have never tried it personally but my buddy did and said that he really liked it. I am definitely interested in trying it out though...
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    Re: 1x11 Poll and Questions

    I've demoed a Niner RIP9 RDO and a ROS9 both with XX1. I normally ride a Shimano XTR 1x10 setup on my JET9 RDO, so I certainly enjoyed the 1x part. I also enjoyed having more range with 11 gears. The only thing I didn't like were the SRAM thumb shifters, but that was exacerbated by the fact that both demo bikes had the shifters far to close to the grips. The joint in my thumb would repeatedly hit the upshift button randomly. If I could get Shimano shifters along with the rest of XX1 I'd definitely do it.

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    I have it and it's awesome. You just have to make sure you get the right size front ring.

    The new XTR will blow it away though.

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    1x11 Poll and Questions

    On my second bike with the xx1 setup and it's really nice! I did snap a chain this past weekend trying to put power down in the wrong gear but quick link kept me moving tried the XX0 on a buddies Salsa and it's sweet as well.

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    I've not tried 1x11, but I recently returned from some competitions where guys had it.....in fact lots of them. I do orienteering on the MTB. You can have massive open fireroads (usually a lot of these, as they are good quick choices) or steep, technical singletrack. The young guys didn't seem to be slowed down at all by the lack of top-end gearing, but having more range without having to shift chainrings is a big plus.

    I will do the XO1 just as soon as my current XX/XO wears out. I have a pretty new XO crankset, which has the benefit of a removable spider which will fit a wolftooth ring nicely....so there's at least one component I don't need to lash out as much on!!

    The XO1 seems so close to XX1 in weight I can't see many downsides in 'just' going XO.
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    I was very interested in it at first, but just put a SRAM 32t narrow wide on for $50 that gives me the same thing. Works great and much cheaper, no longer interested in the whole group set anymore
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    Great poll so far. My only problem with 1x11 (aside from the cost) is that only one out of my five bikes in the stable has it? So the other bikes seem like a pain in the rears at times.

    I'm actually starting to look back a the year and when thinking about all the products I've seen this year, I think the 1x11 may be the product of the year.

    Here are some reasons:
    - less chainslap and almost no dropped chains with no chain guide
    - more useable gear range in the back means shifting is more seamless
    - no gear duplication
    - noticeably lighter
    - no stupid front derailleur which is hard to adjust and doesn't work that well
    - more room on the bars, makes room under the bar for the dropper post
    - rider is always on the correct chainring in the front when on rolling terrain with steep walls
    - on full suspension bikes, the front chainring can always be the right one for the suspension design as most suspensions are usually optimized for just one of the chainrings where they remain neutral under load
    - it allows frame designers to shorten the chainstays when eliminating the front derailleur. This is key for 29er FS.


    Agree/disagree? Some of these are kind of a stretch but it's kind of what I think about after rides on 1x11 or switching back to 2x/3x. I think the bike industry has to catch up and design bikes taking advantage of it but it's already happening with the Niner WFO, Norco Sight/Range, Specialized Epic World Cup. Less is more I guess. It's like a singlespeed without the pain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by francois View Post
    - it allows frame designers to shorten the chainstays when eliminating the front derailleur. This is key for 29er FS.

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    I could be wrong, but I think we're a long ways away from a bike company designing a frame around 1X drivetrains...
    Would there be enough mass market support/understanding to make it financially feasible for a frame manufacturer?

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    Thoughtful comments.

    I have a 29er with XO 2x10 and a 27.5 with XX1. I like them both where they are. The niner handles more XC duty and has a lower granny for turning bigger wheels and less HAB when bikepacking. The 275 is more a gravity/play bike.

    After 6-7 rides I like it a lot. My inner spinner wants to ditch the 32t for 30, but aside from that no complaints (until I have to replace the cassette?). No front der is dreamy.

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    Less stuff for me to break, yay!

    Don't know if my gimp knee could handle it ( running 2x9 22/32/bash with no complaints or issues)

    How low a gear can you get with 1x11? I still use the granny here in the north east.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nail Every Trail View Post
    How low a gear can you get with 1x11? I still use the granny here in the north east.
    28/42 on XX1. Well I guess if you can find a 2x crank that you can run a 20-22t small ring and put a small bash where you remove the middle ring and run the XX1 rr derailure etc.
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    Wait whuuut, who did he tell you that!?!?....

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    I've been running XO1 since August and think it's great. It is surprisingly quiet. The lack of chainslap was almost eery. In 250 miles, I haven't dropped a chain yet and haven't had any issues. I will say the 34t on a Bronson (27.5) is a little tall, especially for Tahoe rides. I haven't had to walk anything but it has prevented me from going further. I've also only used the 10 on the cassette maybe once or twice. I believe new chainrings are just now coming available and asked my shop to see if they can get me a 32t.

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    Quote Originally Posted by francois View Post
    Here's some info on the new XO1. Wish it was cheaper but it seems to work as good as XX1 for us so far. XO1 Specs and Info
    Less expensive: X01 rear drivetrain with an e.thirteen TRS+ single crankset. I hear they'll have 28t & 30t rings soon. Ibis is using this combo in their X01 builds.

    I like the simplicity and quietness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by addATX View Post
    I could be wrong, but I think we're a long ways away from a bike company designing a frame around 1X drivetrains...
    Would there be enough mass market support/understanding to make it financially feasible for a frame manufacturer?
    The main one doing it is the 2014 Niner WFO. In order for their suspension design to have shortish chainstays with 150 mm of 29er travel, they designed the rear end to work with 1x11 only. With the absence of the front derailleur, they got the chainstays to 17.4 inches with a lot of room for big tires.

    Specialized is making a World Cup Edition Epic which has 10mm shorter than usual stays since it is 1x11 only.

    And finally, the top end Norco Sight and Range are 1x11 only but they may be for cosmetic reasons. A direct mount tab for the front der is a little ugly if unused.

    Any others?

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    Quote Originally Posted by francois View Post
    The main one doing it is the 2014 Niner WFO. In order for their suspension design to have shortish chainstays with 150 mm of 29er travel, they designed the rear end to work with 1x11 only. With the absence of the front derailleur, they got the chainstays to 17.4 inches with a lot of room for big tires.

    Specialized is making a World Cup Edition Epic which has 10mm shorter than usual stays since it is 1x11 only.

    And finally, the top end Norco Sight and Range are 1x11 only but they may be for cosmetic reasons. A direct mount tab for the front der is a little ugly if unused.

    Any others?

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    I stand corrected. Cool, didn't know about those examples. Will check them out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by addATX View Post
    I stand corrected. Cool, didn't know about those examples. Will check them out.
    Yes, it is pretty unbelievable how fast bike industry has reacted. One thing interesting is that one of the Specialized Enduro 29er's greatest achievement is fitting the front derailleur in that very short chainstay. But in reality, most folks 80-90% will never use a front der on that bike.

    Another 1x11 only bike is Lapierre I hear.

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    I've only been riding since 2010 but within a month of buying my first "decent" entry level bike I was stripping the front down for a 1x8 drivetrain, later becoming a 1x9. I've been 1x10 for a couple years now and its the only way to ride for me, all I know.
    My recent build I'm running X01 cranks, absolute black direct mount no drop ring, and an x9 type 2 rear der.

    Its like a poor mans 1x11, total investment of a few hundred bucks, same deal.

    Sram's 1x11, and the upcoming Shimano version I'm sure, are brilliant. The horizontal rear der is a great piece of inventive design, and what they've done with the cassette is great.

    The only reason I don't have the full 1x11 set up is that I don't need it. I've been running 32t front with 11-36 cassettes and rarely ever even use my 36t cog on the cassette. Where I ride here in Texas its fairly flat and any hills are short enough that you can get speed to blow it up or use your legs and minimize shifting. If I had the 1x11 I probably wouldn't even use the 2 biggest cogs.

    I thought about going back to 1x9 for weight/cost/simplicity but to be honest the 10 speed cassettes with newer der shift smoother and I like having more gear options while riding.

    To summarize, no drop chain ring with type 2 rear and no chainguide is tits.
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    I have the XX1 and it is the only way to go , I can not believe how good this is .
    The front derailleur is dead than God , its about time !!
    Not to mention no chain slap, no dropped chain no chain suck no ghost shifting .

    And you can change front rings with out removing the crank , it does not get any better than this.

    This certainly is best product of the year for sure !

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    No, but I have been running 1x10 for a few years now and love it....going to 11 would just be more of the good stuff. Would love it to come to a better price point but from what I hear that's a ways off if not possible at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by limba View Post
    I have it and it's awesome. You just have to make sure you get the right size front ring.

    The new XTR will blow it away though.
    What is the new XTR? I have been wondering if shimano was just going to sit out and let SRAM run away with things. The hammerschmidt and the 1x11 are both ideas that were a little different, it seems like SRAM was more willing to try new things and got a winner. Anyway I haven't heard anything new form shimano.

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    good, now I can get a front derailleur extra cheap because i just bashed the shit out of mine.

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    I myself am running a 1x10 setup using a SRAM x9 type 2 rear, 11-36t cassette paired with the Leonardi Factory Cassette Adapter effectively giving me 11-40 range, and a Wolftooth 32t chainring on a Lenz Sport Leviathan 4.0... I have no regrets in going this route but would really like to see how xx1/x01 rides for a comparison.

    The big thing is making sure you're derailleur hanger is straight. I've dumped my bike over in the rocks on the drive side several times requiring an alignment tool to get things back in proper shifting order.

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    I have heard rumours about XTR as well....I heard 14 for 2014, I will believe it when I see it.

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    OK, so newb question: How much low end are you sacrificing? I often find myself using the lowest gear of my 3x9 (old skool!), and I never think "I wish this bike was harder to pedal."
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    I am running 22 front X 36 rear 10 speed on my Niner now. I wish I had 22 front X 42 rear for the hills around here.

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    Cool-blue Rhythm 1x11 is the Shizle!!

    I purchased my XX1 in Nov. 2012 and placed it on my Specialized Epic Expert. I was running a 1x10 setup prior to it with a 34T/11-36 XO. I now run anywhere from a 30T - 36T depending on what terrain I'm riding at that time. With the clutched derailler, it is a simple switch of chainrings. Literally takes a few minutes. I am able to use the same chain for my 32T, 34T(measured chain with this), and my 36T, but have to switch to a shorter chain when dropped to the 30T. I race XC and find it "care free" for shifting/gear selection. Never had any problems being between gears. Shifting is smooth and rapid. Broke my first chain due to shifting under power going up a steep incline. (My fault) That's been the only problem I've encountered. I also have a Stumpy HT Marathon I bought to use at Leadville last year. I was up in arms on what groupo to use. Wanted to put my XX1 on it, but opted to set up a 2x10 with a 36/22 front end. After the race, I wish I did put the XX1 on so I wouldn't have to use the front derailer and double shifting to be into the right gear at the right time. Going to look into the XO1 groupo for my Stumpy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CupOfJava View Post
    Ok I haven't tried 1x11 per say but I have a 1x10 setup with a 32T wolftooth narrowide front and Shimano shadow plus rear deraileur. It works fine for most off trail riding.
    The SRAM is a stupidly expensive system, bit of a scam really: aftermarket has proven that you can modify a ten speed drive train to go to 11x42 at a total cost of $50

    Having said that 1 x something is great. I personally use 1x9 30x11-36 and very happy with it. Still it does not have as wide a range as a 2 x something set up.
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    XX1 appears to be the OEM choice for higher end bikes these days. I wonder how much market share Shimano has lost recently?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GuruAtma View Post
    OK, so newb question: How much low end are you sacrificing? I often find myself using the lowest gear of my 3x9 (old skool!), and I never think "I wish this bike was harder to pedal."
    I have the XX1 with 28 for the front and don't really feel like I'm sacrificing much. It's like I'm only missing 1 of the highest and lowest gears. I feel like I have more torque for climbing without more effort (kind of hard to explain). The gears have bigger jumps and seem more efficient. With my 3x9 setup, I always felt it necessary to skip chunks of gears.

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    Good job! Sram is moving a head with 1 X 11

    I have on order a Specialized Camber FSR Expert Carbon EVO 29"er



    I have not got to ride a 1 x 11 so far! but having been riding Singlespeeds for so long (1992 ) and Rohloff Speedhub's for 9 year's!
    I'm looking forward to one shifter and light, simple, lay out.

    I just have to wait until 27th of November

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    New question here. Paul Thumbies

    By the way I would like to know if a 11 speed SRAM TT bar end shifter mounted onto a Paul Thumbies mount would work with XX1 or XO1?



    An help would be Great

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    All I have to say is I was 1x9 waaaaaay before this whole 1x11 thing exploded.

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    Once a lightweight, durable, and efficient internal rear comes on the market, everything with an external derailleur/cogs will seem like ancient technology...
    As in...

    "Holy crap, look what those fools used to ride!"

    Just a matter of time.
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    I just got a Specialized Enduro with 1x11 XX1 setup. I really enjoy this drivetrain. As people have mentioned, little to no chain slap and haven't thrown a chain yet. The 32t will pretty much give you as much range as you need and living on the Front Range we do have some decent climbs. However, after a long ride last weekend which included a six mile climb at altitude I could have used a 30t. It is ~$100 for a 30t chainring and I maybe making that investment to help with those long rides.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Herodirt View Post
    ~$100 for a 30t chainring and I maybe making that investment to help with those long rides.
    Which leads to the obvious question...WHY would a simple to machine chainring have to cost more than existing chainrings? These are, in fact, cheaper to make than heavily ramped and pinned ones, I would think.
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    Demo'ed a Niner RIP RDO with XX1 on it and like most everything about it. It had enough gear range for where I was riding it (Palmer Park in Colorado Springs), and I loved how quiet it was. The only real negative was in rolling terrain with sudden steep climbs; I really missed being able to dump a bunch of gears like you can with a double. Oh, and the price is a bit of no go for me.

    In a slightly related note, the whole matchmaker shifter/brake mount system sucks if you have larger hands. Not even close to enough adjustability.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Herodirt View Post
    I just got a Specialized Enduro with 1x11 XX1 setup. I really enjoy this drivetrain. As people have mentioned, little to no chain slap and haven't thrown a chain yet. The 32t will pretty much give you as much range as you need and living on the Front Range we do have some decent climbs. However, after a long ride last weekend which included a six mile climb at altitude I could have used a 30t. It is ~$100 for a 30t chainring and I maybe making that investment to help with those long rides.
    I also live in the front range and have been on XX1 for most of this year. At first I did think about going down to 30t (went from 3x9 to 1x11), but I just got use to it after a while. It's probably worth giving it some time to see if you get use to it after a while.

    I'm on an Epic though, so probably a little easier to climb with than the Enduro

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    Don't have it, but have wanted since before it even existed. I originally wanted a 1x9 with the range of xx1. That's OK, I'll take 11 speed too. As Francois already outlined, I'd gain simpler shifting, less suspension impact, more tire clearance and reduced weight. All I need now is for Sram to release it in x9 so I can afford to buy it. I'd be OK with Shimano as well, but they better bring the "mountain" gearing and not XC race ratios. It also better not come with a battery unless it's got a three year warranty and costs on par with current XT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rideit View Post
    Once a lightweight, durable, and efficient internal rear comes on the market, everything with an external derailleur/cogs will seem like ancient technology...
    As in...

    "Holy crap, look what those fools used to ride!"

    Just a matter of time.
    Maybe, but internal geared hubs are nothing new and the efficiency isn't going to magically suddenly jump ahead of a chain drive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sxotty View Post
    Maybe, but internal geared hubs are nothing new and the efficiency isn't going to magically suddenly jump ahead of a chain drive.
    Not magically. Technologically.
    Since apparently cost is not a factor, it should be doable with newer materials and manufacturing techniques.
    Gearing with derailleurs isn't new, either, and 'going to eleven' isn't particularly innovative. if anything, it might be entering into a 'point of diminishing returns', from a chain/cog use point of view.

    It's time to revisit internal with fresh eyes, IMO.
    Everything about a derailleur is anachronistic, given our technological capabilities today.
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    It is simply too limited for my use.
    I don't rattle.

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    11 gears should be enough

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    XX1 is an amazing drivtrain, however there are some flaws. First, is the time needed to set it up is quite a while if you want to get it just right. Then there is new freehub body you need that adds another $100 to the drivetrain. I think when Shimano comes out with their version, which I certainly think they will, they could do better than Sram. If they made an 11-42 or similar cassette that can fit on existing freehubs, it would be a huge reduction in price for the drivetrain, freehub body and manufacturing. Sram got it down awesome at their first go, and seems to have blown Shimano out of the water for the time being. If Shimano gets it right I think we may things even out or go in Shimano's favor. We'll just have to wait and see...

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    1x11 Poll and Questions

    As others have posted, a budget 1X10 can get you fairly close to XX1 though losing a gear on both the high and low ends. I'm running a Wolf Tooth direct mount 30T on an X9 splined crank, with X0 type 2 mech. Bike is a 30+/- lbs. with 27.5" wheels. Cassette is SRAM 1070 with General Lee 11-40T adapter. So my high gear is 30:11 and low 30:40. There are times when a both a 30:10 high and a 30:42 low would be useful. I'm pretty sure therefore that 1X11 would be ideal.

    Love the fact that with XX1 chainring tooth pattern and clutch rear mech no chain guide necessary. On my 1X9 it always rankled that I simplified my bike by removing front mech, shifter and chainring(s), then had to complicate it again by ADDING a chain guide. Screw that noise.
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    1x11 Poll and Questions

    Quote Originally Posted by ridonkulus View Post
    XX1 is an amazing drivtrain, however there are some flaws. First, is the time needed to set it up is quite a while if you want to get it just right. Then there is new freehub body you need that adds another $100 to the drivetrain. I think when Shimano comes out with their version, which I certainly think they will, they could do better than Sram. If they made an 11-42 or similar cassette that can fit on existing freehubs, it would be a huge reduction in price for the drivetrain, freehub body and manufacturing. Sram got it down awesome at their first go, and seems to have blown Shimano out of the water for the time being. If Shimano gets it right I think we may things even out or go in Shimano's favor. We'll just have to wait and see...
    +1.

    But the question is whether they can cram 11 cog cassettes on existing freehubs with sufficient spacing between the cogs. Would be nice. If not, simply make 11-42T 10 speed cassettes and just lose one high gear to 1X11. They can fit less than 32T chainrings on the new M610 cranks. All they have to do is make some that are 1X specific with narrow wide tooth pattern.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ridonkulus View Post
    XX1 is an amazing drivtrain, however there are some flaws. First, is the time needed to set it up is quite a while if you want to get it just right. Then there is new freehub body you need that adds another $100 to the drivetrain. I think when Shimano comes out with their version, which I certainly think they will, they could do better than Sram. If they made an 11-42 or similar cassette that can fit on existing freehubs, it would be a huge reduction in price for the drivetrain, freehub body and manufacturing. Sram got it down awesome at their first go, and seems to have blown Shimano out of the water for the time being. If Shimano gets it right I think we may things even out or go in Shimano's favor. We'll just have to wait and see...
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    ive ridden a niner rip 9 with it for an xc race. it worked well and the gear range with 32 was perfect. my current bike actually needs a new drivetrain but i have Chris King hubs and cant run an 11 speed cassette. i dont have a problem sticking with 2x10, but the next bike on my list is spec'd with x01 and that will be in my garage soon enough.
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    I need to change my vote...

    I clicked "no and not interested" because the only significant difference between my 1x9 and 1x10 bikes is that the cassettes, derailleurs, and shifters are not interchangeable. And that's not helpful, it's just a nuisance. (I only went 1x10 on the second bike because 1x9 parts weren't in stock. I regret that decision.)

    But then I read this:
    11-speeds (10-12-14-16-18-21-24-28-32-36-42)
    (cue sound of needle sliding across record)

    That's actually change for the sake of progress, rather than just change for the sake of change (cough 1x10 cough). And it's slightly more than the range of Canfield's 9-36 setup, which was going to be my next major purchase. Now I have a decision to make.

    10 Speed 9t Microdrive Package - 9t Microdrive

    Either way, I'll be going slightly bigger on my chainring to get a little more speed and a little easier climbing on the steeps. Win. Win.

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