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    for 1x: will you go 10spd+wt or 1up 42t+rad(r) OR 'real' 11 speed?

    now that the 'cheaper' allow me to say m8k is at hand, will you go for it or settle with a modded 10 spd?

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    Why not compare equal builds? High end 2x10 or mid range 1x11?

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    well, there are some who prefer 1x over 2x


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    If I could've waited, I would've upgraded to the xt 11/42 drivetrain.

    Unfortunately, my drivetrain will wait no longer. So, I decided to get the Praxis cassette, with slx RD, slx 2x crankset, xt shifter, 30t FR. Should have everything by next weekend. I'm upgrading from a very worn out 3x9 system, and building up a new bike pretty soon anyway. Hopefully, it will all work out good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spyghost View Post
    now that the 'cheaper' allow me to say m8k is at hand, will you go for it or settle with a modded 10 spd?
    I think maybe what you are trying to ask is if folks will continue to do x9/xt 10 spd + 42T OR GX 1x11....am I correct? If so, that is a good question now that the cost has come down so much on the 1x11 stuff. Personally, I am sticking with the modified 10spd, as i would rather have the performance and lower replacement cost of X9/XT 10spd equipment.
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    XT or XTR (or mix) 1x11 drivetrain with an X01 cassette, for me. Here's why:

    I really enjoy not having a rear derailleur. 11-42 is enough range for me for 90% of what I do. However, like this past weekend, I occasionally do endurance events where I need a full 2x range. So, if I get the Shimano system, I can easily run a 1x11 for the majority of the time, but slap on a FD and shifter for the few occasions that I need it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HSracer View Post
    XT or XTR (or mix) 1x11 drivetrain with an X01 cassette, for me. Here's why:

    I really enjoy not having a rear derailleur. 11-42 is enough range for me for 90% of what I do. However, like this past weekend, I occasionally do endurance events where I need a full 2x range. So, if I get the Shimano system, I can easily run a 1x11 for the majority of the time, but slap on a FD and shifter for the few occasions that I need it.
    So you running single speed with a 11-42 cassette?

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    My mostly SLX 1x10 with Wolftooth 42 and RADr cage works so well I'm in no rush to replace it.

    If I were setting up a new build tomorrow, I'm pretty sure it'd be M8000.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the-one1 View Post
    So you running single speed with a 11-42 cassette?
    Lol oops. I mixed really "enjoy not having a front derailleur" and "only having a rear derailleur"

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    I ran a 1x10 on the last bike with One Up 42t, Radr cage, XT clutch RD, and Saint shifter and it worked well. But my new bike came with X1 and I'm blown away how good the shifting is. Very fast and very crisp. I'd like to try the Shimano 1x stuff to compare.

    If I was keeping my old bike I wouldn't convert, but any new ride I would build with true 1x11 setup.

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    I went 1X10 with my new bike a few months ago before XT 11 speed came out. I have a XT derailleur with a Radr cage, XT cassettte with 42t cog, and XT shifter. When my cassette wears out my plan is to buy a XT 11-42 cassettte, 11 speed chain, and a Shimano 11 speed shifter. I will have to replace my chain and cassettte anyway, so only the shifter is extra. The XT/Radr derailleur will work with Shimano 11 speed so this will be an inexpensive upgrade.
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    If you already have the 40/42T compatible parts...if you care about being cost effective...then go for the 42T cog.

    If I was starting from scratch and/or replacing a worn drivetrain...I'd go 11sp. I haven't tried the 11sp XTR...but I've used XX1...and it shifts smoother in the small cogs compared to the 10sp derailleurs.

    I'm running a 10sp 11-42 cassette with a X0 rear derailleur and X0 shifter. The shifting in the high gears is ok...it'll hiccup every once in a while (18 to 21)...but it shifts pretty decent.

    I really like what Praxis did. They put out a reasonably priced wide range 10sp cassette...and it's actually available. So far the other brands that made their way around Eurobike and the Taipei Cycle show are nothing more than vaporware.

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    I am stuck in the mix and match camp because I want a wide range 1x10. The two primary compromises with 1x drivetrains are gear range and chainline, 11x hurts one and doesn't do much for the other. For me the best available current drivetrain is M980 shifter and M9000 rear derailleur, with an 11-42 cassette. The cassette situation is improving, I hope Praxis comes out with a 42t version of their new one. I would consider an XD freehub if somebody made a 10-42 10-speed cassette. I don't need or want 11 speeds if it isn't offering anything more than worse chainline and more clicks.

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    If I needed the 40/42 in the back, I would just go 1x11 at this point. Since I don't need it, the 1x with a 11-36 is a cheaper solution. My next complete drivetrain will be Shimano 1x11.
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    I'll probably keep it real simple and just use a 28t up front and an 11-36t cassette. This combo works well for me, where I ride, what I ride and what I want to get out of my bike/ride. I might go up to a 30t ring when the time comes....but I really don't need the top end as much as the low end.

    Every time I start looking at the expander cog I get hung up on the cost. When it's new drivetrain time I'll consider 11 speed....and then likely just keep it 10 speed like above because of cost. That'll really depend on whether I need a shifter and/or derailleur at that time though. Basically, I'm not going 11 speed unless I already have to buy more than a ring, cassette and chain.

    The whole expander cog deal, for me, just isn't necessary vs. the cost of it all.
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    I went with a 28t front and only use the 42 rear when I'm worn out from the previous day. If I was younger 28/11-36 would be all I ever need.
    I got some bad ideas in my head.

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    The 1x11 11-42t XT wasn't available right now, so I had to go with the 1up 42t mod. I'm running 32t up front, and I'm in the 42t on a handful of times on my rides.

    Cost of my 1x10 through sales/deals/etc. was $433
    • Zee shifter $21
    • SLX Med Cage Derailleur $44
    • 1Up Rad kit $48 (makes a huge difference in shifting to 42t)
    • XT 11-36 cassette $47
    • 1Up 16t/42t combo $85
    • XT Crankset $170
    • RF 32t ring $40
    • XT 10-speed chain $25



    If 1x11 11-42t XT were available when I needed the parts, I'd have gone that direction. That would have cost me about $450 on CRC's current pricing/preorder. I'm not a weight weenie, but that $450 gets me all XT stuff, a system designed for 11-42t from the gate, saves me some weight (if it really even mattered), and works a lot nicer with more bells/whistles than the Zee shifter. The only downside I see to using the M8000 crank is the cost of the chainring replacement in the future and lack of options (many 28t, 30t, 32t, 34t, etc options for 104 bcd patterns.) Shimano really took a big chance with their new bolt pattern, and their M8000 ring looks pretty nice.

    To add another wrinkle, those of us wishing Shimano offered a 10-42t option could look to the 1Up 45t cog, up the chainring to 34t or 36t, and you get the same top and bottom end that SRAM 1x11 offers. Sure, it costs some more to get that, but you're still below the cost of SRAM's setup with this mod.

    In the end, my parts are going to be swapped over to my next build for my wife's bike, and I'm grabbing 1x11 Shimano when it's time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drpheta View Post
    In the end, my parts are going to be swapped over to my next build for my wife's bike, and I'm grabbing 1x11 Shimano when it's time.
    That's what I did this weekend. Hey honey, you got upgraded to a 1x10 42T Wolftooth cog!

    (Secretly orders XT 1x11 cassette)

    I'm hoping my 1x11 hack will work

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    GX 11 sp rear D
    XT 11-42 11 sp cassette
    Shimano 11 sp chain (or SRAM)
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    Quote Originally Posted by 06HokieMTB View Post
    That's what I did this weekend. Hey honey, you got upgraded to a 1x10 42T Wolftooth cog!

    (Secretly orders XT 1x11 cassette)

    I'm hoping my 1x11 hack will work

    X1 11 sp shifter
    GX 11 sp rear D
    XT 11-42 11 sp cassette
    Shimano 11 sp chain (or SRAM)
    Why the GX rear derailleur instead of the XT M8000? Cost?

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    I prefer the feel to SRAM shifters and want my controls to be common amongst all of the bikes.
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    I 'upgraded' from XO 1x10 (11-36) + RaceFace NW (32T). Can get working the Wolf tooth 42T with that setup.

    I changed my X0 brake to XT785 so I also bought XT rear der and rad cage + wolf tooth 42T. Shifting is good on the bike stand. Will see tonight on trails.

    10 speeds parts are cheap and available anywhere. I'll keep that setup until new bike.

    I refuse to convert two 26'' wheelsets with XD drive. Too expensive and top speed is not a problem.

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