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    Cool-blue Rhythm 11-40T/42T conversion: OneUp vs. Wolf Tooth vs. Hope

    Now we have two similar products to create a cheap 1x conversion with 11-42T cassette for sram and shimano. Full shimano 11-42 drivetrain, dream comes true!

    OneUp Components 40T/42T Sprocket
    Wolf Tooth Components 42T Giant Cog

    There is also the general lee cassette, which replaces 4 cogs and cost twice, let's leave it out now due to cost.

    What it looks to me so far comparing the two, the wolf tooth has many advantages:

    1. No spacer, dedicated models for SRAM and Shimano. Should create wider cog-freehub interface. Less freehub wear, better.
    2. Comes with extra long B tension screw in case your derailleur does not have enough clearance from the 42T cog on the original screw.
    3. Known reputation and highly regarded.
    4. Looks like more teeth shaping, should aid shifting.
    5. Price for 42T + 16T: Wolf Tooth is $90+$15=$105, Oneup is $90.

    That's what I can tell from the web pages. Looks like Wolf Tooth is a better choice at higher price.

    From reports Shimano derailleurs have more problems dealing with 42T cogs than sram. 40T may be a better option for shimano users.

    OneUp Rad Cage seems to be the ticket for shimano users and greatly improves shifting performance.

    Did you install it and how is it working?

    Post your setup for others to know
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    • Cassette & chain
    • How it works


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    SunRace CSMX3 10sp cassette, 11-40 and 11-42
    • $60
    • Complete cassette with good teeth ratios
    • Steel cogs on aluminum spider, big cog is aluminum
    • Less hacky than piecemeal cassette extensions
    • 383g for 11-40
    • All steel cogs versions coming soon, will weight 414g and 448g
    • User reports it shifts fine


    Hope 40 T-Rex Adapter
    • $90
    • Sram and Shimano specific cogs with no spacers
    • 4 shifting gates (OneUp and WT have 6 gates)
    • Hope reputation and diehard fan club
    • No 16T cog


    E13 Extended Range 40/42T Cog
    • $70 (on Jenson), $60 on outsideoutfitters
    • Sram and Shimano specific cogs with no spacers
    • Sram only 42T, Shimano 40/42T
    • 6 shifting gates
    • E13 reputation
    • No 16T cog


    twenty6 40/42T Cog
    • $95
    • Sram and Shimano specific cogs with no spacers
    • 5 shifting gates for 40T. 42T I assume its 6.
    • 10 colors
    • No 16T cog


    Absolute Black 40T Cassette Cog
    • $74
    • Shimano 40T only
    • No 16T cog
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    wolftooth is domestically manufactured, and they're great people.

    oneup appears to be a canadian co (with offshore manufacturing), but the who's and where's are all shrouded in secrecy for some reason; bit of a faceless company.

    both seem to be solid products, but i gave my $ to wolftooth based on above.

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    Went with Wolftooth. US company with US manufacturing and still a better price. I guess unless you need the versatility (Shimano/SRAM) or green ano...there isn't much reason to go with 1up unless they undercut WT. Even then if the price is close for equal or better product I'm buying US over overseas.

    No review since I don't have it yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CrozCountry View Post
    What it looks to me so far comparing the two, the wolf tooth has many advantages:

    1. No spacer, dedicated models for SRAM and Shimano. Should create wider cog-freehub interface. Less freehub wear, better.
    2. $90 vs $100, $10 cheaper.
    3. Comes with extra long B tension screw in case your derailleur does not have enough clearance from the 42T cog on the original screw.
    4. Known reputation and highly regarded.
    5. Looks like more teeth shaping, should aid shifting.
    These are my exact thoughts. I'm waiting for the Sram versions to become available and more reviews to pop up before making any decisions, though.

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    I like how WT is making the shift ramps to match the cassettes, not just a one fits all. Mine is in the mail as we speak.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bdundee View Post
    I like how WT is making the shift ramps to match the cassettes, not just a one fits all. Mine is in the mail as we speak.
    Placed a pre-order as well.
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    OneUp is from so cal...at least thats where my cog shipped from.

    The cassette specific cog seems like marketing to me. WT's way to one up OneUp. There has been many reviews on the OU 42t and nobody has mentioned poor shifting.

    I can see WT making different cogs because of the different spacing with Shimano and SRAM cassettes so you don't have to use shims like with the OU. Unless there is some kind of comparison where is shows a discernable difference between the Shimano and SRAM specific cogs...its all marketing.

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    Re: 11-42T conversion: OneUp vs. Wolf Tooth

    What about absolute black? They have a 40t coming, that would be my choice, because of the size.

    I have a WT 32t front ring and it seems like very good quality so if they made a 40t I would buy that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RS VR6 View Post
    OneUp is from so cal...at least thats where my cog shipped from.

    The cassette specific cog seems like marketing to me. WT's way to one up OneUp. There has been many reviews on the OU 42t and nobody has mentioned poor shifting.

    I can see WT making different cogs because of the different spacing with Shimano and SRAM cassettes so you don't have to use shims like with the OU. Unless there is some kind of comparison where is shows a discernable difference between the Shimano and SRAM specific cogs...its all marketing.
    Marketing or not, more competition means better and cheaper products for us consumers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Strafer.2 View Post
    Marketing or not, more competition means better and cheaper products for us consumers.
    +1 on this. Wondering when Shimano or Sram will make a 42T or 40T 10sp. cassette, if ever?
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    Quote Originally Posted by blcman View Post
    +1 on this. Wondering when Shimano or Sram will make a 42T or 40T 10sp. cassette, if ever?
    Why not do a 44-11 10 speed or something like that so you still keep the range and don't need a special freehub or der. Wouldn't it be just like a xx1 but missing one gear in the middle somewhere?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RS VR6 View Post
    OneUp is from so cal...at least thats where my cog shipped from.

    The cassette specific cog seems like marketing to me. WT's way to one up OneUp. There has been many reviews on the OU 42t and nobody has mentioned poor shifting.

    I can see WT making different cogs because of the different spacing with Shimano and SRAM cassettes so you don't have to use shims like with the OU. Unless there is some kind of comparison where is shows a discernable difference between the Shimano and SRAM specific cogs...its all marketing.
    You made a good purchase, you don't need to help justify it by putting down another product or company. I have been guilty of this a time or two.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CrozCountry View Post
    Now we have two similar products to create a cheap 1x conversion with 11-42T cassette for sram and shimano. Full shimano 11-42 drivetrain, dream comes true!

    OneUp Components 42T Sprocket
    Wolf Tooth Components 42T Giant Cog

    There is also the general lee cassette, which replaces 4 cogs and cost twice, let's leave it out now due to cost.

    What it looks to me so far comparing the two, the wolf tooth has many advantages:

    1. No spacer, dedicated models for SRAM and Shimano. Should create wider cog-freehub interface. Less freehub wear, better.
    2. $90 vs $100, $10 cheaper.
    3. Comes with extra long B tension screw in case your derailleur does not have enough clearance from the 42T cog on the original screw.
    4. Known reputation and highly regarded.
    5. Looks like more teeth shaping, should aid shifting.

    That's what I can tell from the web pages. Looks like Wolf Tooth is a better choice.

    Anyone tried both? Or maybe the hot and new WTC Giant Cog? (OneUp has many reviews already)
    I can not compare Oneup to WT, as I have a German made 42T. I will say this though, the Wolf Tooth front chainrings are great products. I like them better than the Sram xx1. They run so smooth and quiet. Because of this, when I replace my 42t I will get a Wolf Tooth. They also have really good CS.

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    People get way to sensitive about things.

    This is a "vs" thread and I'm just giving my opinion.

    If WT can show that there is an improvement in shifting by having a manufacturer specific cog...I'll buy one. I do have more than one mountain bike.

    Since these 42t cogs are the hot item for the moment...manufacturers are thinking marketing and one upping. How can I market my product that does the same thing, is manufactured with the same equipment out of similar materials to be different?

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    11-42T conversion: OneUp vs. Wolf Tooth

    I've got an SLX cassette for a while, while I wait for my XT to show up.

    Gonna swap out the 13t cog. Not 100% sure the cassette will go back together properly... Fingers crossed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bdundee View Post
    Why not do a 44-11 10 speed or something like that so you still keep the range and don't need a special freehub or der. Wouldn't it be just like a xx1 but missing one gear in the middle somewhere?
    I think they would need a special derailleur for that huge gap. Shimano puts a well designed complete package, I find it hard to imagine they would just throw a cassette out there without a fully working kit. for example, even current derailleurs need an extra long B tension screw and thats with 42, imagine with 44. They would probably reengineer the geometry of the derailleur to be closer to the small cog, or use tricky cage like sram. And there is a the question of whether freehubs can handle the torque. Like OneUp says in their blog, too small front ring and heavy riders put enough torque for premature failure of hubs. There is definitely more work to do than just a cassette, but I also think its just a matter of time until shimano puts out a 1x. If I have to guess it will be 1x10 and work with existing cassettes. I can be totally wrong on this guess, don't place bets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bdundee View Post
    Why not do a 44-11 10 speed or something like that so you still keep the range and don't need a special freehub or der. Wouldn't it be just like a xx1 but missing one gear in the middle somewhere?
    As CozXountry has said there is the issue of the derailleur, but also there is little difference between a 42 and a 44 when you start from a 11x36 cassette. Look at the ratios for a 32 chainring

    Cog: 26, 28, 30, 32, 36, 40, 42, 44
    Ratio: 1.230 1.140 1.070 1.000 0.889 0.800 0.762 0.727

    fhe jump 36 to 42 gets you an almost perfect interval ratio decrement (compare 32 to 36), 44 gains around a 1/3 of an extra gear, 40, like AbsoluteBlack is doing, is also not that great giving a ratio that is less decremental than the gap 32 cog to 36.

    A 10 cog also gains relatively little, look at the ratios 10, 11, 13

    3.200 2.910 2.460

    the decrement between 11 and 13 is good, 11 to 10 is kind of silly because it only gets you a 1/2 of an extra gear (at a cost of more than $1000).

    11x42 is huge for most uses, but for a racer or even more spread the way to go is 9x42, like Leonardi Factory is going to offer Leonardi Racing 9x42 Cassette 10 speed, 9 really gives you an overdrive gear ratio: 3.560

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    I installed the 41 Ebay cassette. The der. is completely stressed and I would find it hard to believe that the der would have any longevity.
    The B tension screw bends really easy because they hit the stop at an angle . Wasn't comfortable with the setup, back to 2x
    One of the companies provides a longer B screw. It would be smart to use a tougher material than mild steel

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    Quote Originally Posted by blcman View Post
    +1 on this. Wondering when Shimano or Sram will make a 42T or 40T 10sp. cassette, if ever?
    +2 (or a 1000) I would think though the only hope would be from Shimano, not SRAM. SRAM's all in with their 1x11 model, and from a company ($) perspective, there is little to no reason to make 42T cassette, as it gives your customers less incentive to upgrade everything and get to 1x11.

    I've said it elsewhere... I'd buy more than a few Shimano 10 speed cassettes with a 42t option. Heck, done right, it'd be a great marketing device to appeal to tied-in-the-wool SRAM folks who can't afford the jump to XX1 or XO1.

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    I've ordered the Wolftooth, their stellar narrow/wide rings plus the fact the GC is Shimano specific (no spacer required) and comes with the B tension screw shows they know what they are doing.

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    11-42T conversion: OneUp vs. Wolf Tooth

    Same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RS VR6 View Post
    Since these 42t cogs are the hot item for the moment...manufacturers are thinking marketing and one upping. How can I market my product that does the same thing, is manufactured with the same equipment out of similar materials to be different?
    yeah, not much to differentiate the products, and, i'm assuming, there will be a relatively short window of opportunity to sell these things before we see some ~affordable production wide range cassettes by the major players. i can't imagine shimano won't be stepping up sooner than later (granted, it IS shimano, and while they make some really great stuff, they do have their epic head shaking moments).

    anyways; cool to see all the crafty little guys filling the void. chain guide & front derailleur free full range drivetrain upgrades for ~$150? brilliant.

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    I have had an eBay 41t cassette for over a year with a X9 derailleur with no problems at all. I am running a 2X10 with a 40,27 with a 41t on the rear, I took off the 13t.
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    The ebay 41T is another similar product that is probably a direct comparison. From looking at it:

    • Significantly less machining
    • 3 times heavier
    • No shifting ramps
    • 41T is less than ideal for downshifting from the next 36T cog (36/42T make perfect 6 gates)
    • Narrower interface with the cassette
    • Nicely cut freehub teeth

    But it costs less than half. Fair trade-off.

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    Attachment 867239

    Got mine today! Mounted up with no issues, super nice they included a longer B screw. Quality is the normal from Wolf Tooth, meaning HIGH. Looks really nice and is well finished. Details on the teeth look great. Has the feel of something that will outlast a few cassettes.

    I've got a 34T chainring and XT med cage and needed to add 2 links of chain. Shifts up and down pretty much like stock. No hesitation, skipping, or added noise.

    Not sure how to get the pic rotated, but you get the idea

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    Quote Originally Posted by jselwyn View Post
    Attachment 867239

    Got mine today! Mounted up with no issues, super nice they included a longer B screw. Quality is the normal from Wolf Tooth, meaning HIGH. Looks really nice and is well finished. Details on the teeth look great. Has the feel of something that will outlast a few cassettes.

    I've got a 34T chainring and XT med cage and needed to add 2 links of chain. Shifts up and down pretty much like stock. No hesitation, skipping, or added noise.

    Not sure how to get the pic rotated, but you get the idea
    I really appreciate all the discussion about ratios and theoretical shifting but if anyone is using these massive rear cogs to convert to 1 x 10 please give your real world experience, review and set-up details. Does it suck or is it great and why? Thanks for including your set-up and picture. More like this please.

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    Re: 11-42T conversion: OneUp vs. Wolf Tooth

    My Wolf Tooth GC will be here Thursday. Going to mod an SLX cassette to fit and will try to report on my experience with this paired to Race Face NW 30T over the weekend.

    I already plan to space the 30T inward a couple mm as the chainline currently looks much better in high gears rather than the 36t ring on there now. Hopefully that will help increase the life of both the 30t up front and the 42t in back as I spend a lot of my riding time granny gearing to the top in order to ride down (typical WNC/Pisgah riding).

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    I'm still on the fence about the whole setup. I installed my Wolftooth yesterday and even though I haven't ridden it yet I'm not real impressed with it. Not the design of the cog that is beautiful and the shifting is fine but the tension on the der. is just crazy. Also i'm concerned about the lack of chain wrap I'm getting on the smaller cogs. I don't know maybe I'm being over cautious but just seems like not a great idea.

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    Anyone got an online source for ordering extra long b-screws? Sram and Shimano?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bdundee View Post
    I'm still on the fence about the whole setup. I installed my Wolftooth yesterday and even though I haven't ridden it yet I'm not real impressed with it. Not the design of the cog that is beautiful and the shifting is fine but the tension on the der. is just crazy. Also i'm concerned about the lack of chain wrap I'm getting on the smaller cogs. I don't know maybe I'm being over cautious but just seems like not a great idea.
    My thoughts and fears exactly, can anyone else comment?

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    got a 34T wolf red ring up front (killer!) and the wolf 42T rear cog, tried all combos with the different rings in back and the best was pulling out the 17T

    the 11-13-15-19-21-24-28-32-36-42 worked the best from what I tried, with an XT cassette the 19 is attached you can not remove so going from 15 to the 19 was not an issue at all. Cant wait to get it on the trail! pictures to come!

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    What rear derailleur are you using please?

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    oh sorry guys. XTR shadow plus, Liteville 301

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    My xt med cage didn't work that great so I threw on a xtr shadow plus long and it's better, still don't like it and thinking about ordering x01. A longer chain might have helped the xt but there was room yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rfxc View Post
    Anyone got an online source for ordering extra long b-screws? Sram and Shimano?
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    I have the med with 120 link chain, works perfect

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    It rides ok.

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    Hi All,
    Thanks for the comments and feedback.* The only thing I can really add (because each customer will in the end have to make their own decision) is that the timing of the shifting ramps is extremely critical and SRAM and Shimano are much different.

    While the "perfect shift" (you know, the one you don't even hear or feel) will always only happen with some level of probability, the timing of the shift ramps can change this from a very low percentage to a very high percentage.* There is a lot of interesting science in shifting and we sure had fun optimizing the GC!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by rfxc View Post
    Anyone got an online source for ordering extra long b-screws? Sram and Shimano?
    Got mine here: TorontoCycles, Titanium Bolts, Alloy Bolts,Titanium Fasteners, A2z

    I picked up a M4x25mm Ti screw along with some other Ti bits.

    Quote Originally Posted by bdundee View Post
    I'm still on the fence about the whole setup. I installed my Wolftooth yesterday and even though I haven't ridden it yet I'm not real impressed with it. Not the design of the cog that is beautiful and the shifting is fine but the tension on the der. is just crazy. Also i'm concerned about the lack of chain wrap I'm getting on the smaller cogs. I don't know maybe I'm being over cautious but just seems like not a great idea.
    The shifting does suffer in the three smaller cogs. The performance is diminished to an extent.

    Here is what I got from riding my OneUp,

    My setup is: SLX shifter, XT Shadow Plus RD, SRAM 1030 11-36 cassette, Raceface 30T NW chainring, SLX crank, 73mm BB with a spacer on the drive side.

    -The shifting in the 11, 13, 15 isn't that great. Its not as smooth with the b-tension cranked so far in. Shifting above the 17 is fine. Shift from the 36 to 42 is smooth.
    -On occasion shifting from the 19 to the 15...the chain will miss the 15 and drop onto the 13...then pop back up. (maybe my adjustment is off)
    -I'm shifting the rear alot more than with the double.
    -There is a noticeable cadence jump (for me) from the 15 to 19. On flats, it feels like my cadence is too high in the 19 or too low in the 15. I guess its something you can get used to.
    -if your looking for pure performance or racing where you're really shifting alot in the smaller cogs...you may want to stick with your double or run XX/X01

    For me...its fine...something new to try out. The slow shifting in the smaller cogs are fine for me. Its worth it to get rid of the front derailleur.


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    Quote Originally Posted by WolfTooth View Post
    Hi All,
    Thanks for the comments and feedback.* The only thing I can really add (because each customer will in the end have to make their own decision) is that the timing of the shifting ramps is extremely critical and SRAM and Shimano are much different.

    While the "perfect shift" (you know, the one you don't even hear or feel) will always only happen with some level of probability, the timing of the shift ramps can change this from a very low percentage to a very high percentage.* There is a lot of interesting science in shifting and we sure had fun optimizing the GC!!

    Cheers,
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    hi thanks for posting up. So can you give it to us straight what this will do with the rear derailleur

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    hi thanks for posting up. So can you give it to us straight what this will do with the rear derailleur
    I doubt anyone knows what it will do long term... It's more tension.. So it will either expedite the spring failing or do nothing. Are there really other options?

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    @Yody - We have not seen and do not expect an impact to rear derailleur life. Tightening the b-screw does change the geometry of the shift but the cage spring itself should not be stressed significantly more than with a 36t (noting that you have to add a few links when installing the GC).
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    On mine the longer b-screw started to eat away at the stop and was starting to bypass it. It is officially binned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bdundee View Post
    On mine the longer b-screw started to eat away at the stop and was starting to bypass it. It is officially binned.
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    that blows. looks like i might have saved me some $

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    Quote Originally Posted by fishwrinkle View Post
    that blows. looks like i might have saved me some $
    Remember this is just some idiot on the interwweb, your results might be fine. Maybe a different der, or turn the screw around backwards so there is more contact area? I'm sure they did their homework and it works, just not for me.

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    Looks like we need new derailleur hangers
    Or maybe a new axle bracket for the derailleur, there are less derailleurs than frames

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    Quote Originally Posted by bdundee View Post
    Remember this is just some idiot on the interwweb, your results might be fine. Maybe a different der, or turn the screw around backwards so there is more contact area? I'm sure they did their homework and it works, just not for me.
    Dude, aren't you the "idiot" who just posted that?

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    Perfect colour match with the Raceface wide/narrow and the Oneup 42t green. This is going on my Krampus I had 2 x 10 on it moving to 1 x 10. My Oneup shipped from Delta BC.
    BBB (big beautiful bike)

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