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    What to upgrade first? Kona howler.

    So I'm taking all the parts off my specialized p2, and putting them on a kona howler frame. Total weight on paper is 33.3 lbs. (amazing) this doesn't include grease/brake cables.

    I'm Wondering what I should change first, in upgrades. (keep in mind if I want a new fork i need a new front wheel with a 20mm axle.)

    Frame: Kona Howler 06
    Fork: Marzocchi dirt jam pro 100mm
    seat: specialized fuse
    post: truvativ xr double clamp
    grips: kona jackshit
    shifter: shimano deore
    derailleur: shimano deore LX
    cassette: shimano 8 speed chrome
    stem: truvativ hussefelt
    bars: specailized alloy riser's (similar to truvativ hussefelts, but they are much thicker metal, so bar ends don't fit inside)
    cranks: truvativ ruktion (people always have problems with them, but mine havn't stripped)
    BB: truvativ howitzer team
    pedals: animal hamilton unsealed
    rims: sun ditch with with JOY hubs
    brakes: avid bb5 with 160mm rotars and fr-5 levers
    chain: kmc 8 speed
    tires: specialized rhythm

    WHAT should I upgrade first? help me out guys

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    i dont know about that weight. that extra grease and cable will add a ton





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    Quote Originally Posted by brillantesdv
    i dont know about that weight. that extra grease and cable will add a ton
    yeah eh, but it's still not bad for the parts that are going on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maximum.minimum
    yeah eh, but it's still not bad for the parts that are going on it.
    i dont know about the fork. ever think of a boxxer? maybe lowered a little bit to 178mm?

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    Quote Originally Posted by brillantesdv
    i dont know about the fork. ever think of a boxxer? maybe lowered a little bit to 178mm?
    I don't think I really want THAT much travel, i was thinking like 140mm or 160 at most.

    possibly a pike on there

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    i would say go with a pike.
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    pike is a very good idea. or 32vanilla if you want to keep your front wheel

    i dont like the spec bars, i would bet something else

    but new cranks i think would be your next best bet.

    what shock is on it rightnow? cuz you could do better with that as well

    basically for me id go.
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    brakes
    and on and on
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    Quote Originally Posted by SamL3227
    pike is a very good idea. or 32vanilla if you want to keep your front wheel

    i dont like the spec bars, i would bet something else

    but new cranks i think would be your next best bet.

    what shock is on it rightnow? cuz you could do better with that as well

    basically for me id go.
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    and on and on
    the shock that's on there now is a fox vanilla R. I never realized the 32 vanilla's aren't 20mm! that's awesome. I'll probably look into getting those. What cranks would you recommend? I've wanted to get new fork/cranks for a while

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    If you're easy on stuff, go for the XT cranks. If not... grab the 2-ring Hones or the SLX cranks with the steel pedal insert.

    You can also check out the Revelation. It's like a Pike... without the Maxle... and a little less burly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XSL_WiLL
    If you're easy on stuff, go for the XT cranks. If not... grab the 2-ring Hones or the SLX cranks with the steel pedal insert.

    You can also check out the Revelation. It's like a Pike... without the Maxle... and a little less burly.
    I was looking at the XT's a while ago. I'm really not that rough on my stuff, not to mention I don't hit huge drops or anything.

    Those rev's are pretty nice sounding forks.

    So far I've got fox vanilla 32's or rock shox revelations. both very nice, is the fox worth that much more

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    another vote for the revelation. Its light, easy to service, and versatle. I have a 426 on my double and I beat the living crap out of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rollertoaster
    another vote for the revelation. Its light, easy to service, and versatle. I have a 426 on my double and I beat the living crap out of it.
    I'll watch for a nice pair used when i get some cash, thanks a lot guys

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    Don't upgrade anything... ride the hell out of it and when the first bit breaks - upgrade it.

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    i like markw1970's idea as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by markw1970
    Don't upgrade anything... ride the hell out of it and when the first bit breaks - upgrade it.
    haha that's what i'm planning on doing with the cranks/wheels. I always here problems with the wheelset I have and my cranks, but they've been good so far!

    The only issue with doing what you suggest with my forks is I don't think I will break them.

    I've cased jumps pretty hard on those dirt jam's, and they hold up. I don't think I can break them. They're built pretty solid. I'll probably wait a while anyways and see how they are.

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    I have a PIKE 454 air and it is a piece of junk 6 rides and it needs a rebuild. I took it off and put an old Manitpoo Gold on, not having to worry about the fork falling is worth the weight. If anybody has a contrary opinion about Pikes no need to correct me let your money talk and buy it off me I'll stand by my word and sell it cheap. All it needs is new o-rings I hear but personally I don't like to work on stuff that often.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trail bait
    I have a PIKE 454 air and it is a piece of junk 6 rides and it needs a rebuild. I took it off and put an old Manitpoo Gold on, not having to worry about the fork falling is worth the weight. If anybody has a contrary opinion about Pikes no need to correct me let your money talk and buy it off me I'll stand by my word and sell it cheap. All it needs is new o-rings I hear but personally I don't like to work on stuff that often.
    you must have gotten a lemon, I only hear good things about pikes.

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    Pike with u turn. and you could get some hozfeller cranks since you have the bb. Some nicer bars. then depending upon use rear only or front and rear elixirs or juicy 7's
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    I think I read somewhere here that the 426 is the model to go for when buying a Pike that's going to be abused, not the 454.

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    Ya I think I'd stay away from air models for freeride, dirt jump, etc.

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    1) X.7 or X.9 shifters and rear derailleur
    2) Azonic Outlaws
    3) SLX crank
    4) Any decent coil shock with 130mm+ of travel
    5) Juicy 5s are cheap these days, but I'd go 7s

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    Quote Originally Posted by CarbonFiberFootprint
    1) X.7 or X.9 shifters and rear derailleur
    2) Azonic Outlaws
    3) SLX crank
    4) Any decent coil shock with 130mm+ of travel
    5) Juicy 5s are cheap these days, but I'd go 7s
    funny, I had an x-9 shifter and derailleur, but I sold them last year when I went to SS on my dirt jumper.

    Those azonic's are very nice rims, I'm sure I'll look into them in the future.

    The SLX crank I don't think will work for me, same with the XT. I need a single ring crank, they're both 2/3 ring cranks.

    I think I'm going to look for some fox vanilla 32 forks, and keep my current wheelset for now. Than whatever breaks after that I'll replace, with the bars probably being an exception.

    Thanks guys, any more suggestions would be appreicated

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    If you want to upgrade your cranks I would go with Saints. They are tough and you can get 1 ring. They can be expensive, but check out Chainreactioncycles.com, I got my 2 ring Saints for $185 I think, and I believe the 1 ring is cheaper.

    I have also heard good things about the Diety Vendettas (3 peice cranks) but I haven't used them so I'm not sure.

    Also go for Saint Brakes. I think they are a bit heavier but they feel soooo good. They are a bit expensive though ($300 at Chain Reaction) but they are nice. Chain Reaction has GREAT prices on all Shimano stuff so check them out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KillerSloth
    If you want to upgrade your cranks I would go with Saints. They are tough and you can get 1 ring. They can be expensive, but check out Chainreactioncycles.com, I got my 2 ring Saints for $185 I think, and I believe the 1 ring is cheaper.

    I have also heard good things about the Diety Vendettas (3 peice cranks) but I haven't used them so I'm not sure.

    Also go for Saint Brakes. I think they are a bit heavier but they feel soooo good. They are a bit expensive though ($300 at Chain Reaction) but they are nice. Chain Reaction has GREAT prices on all Shimano stuff so check them out.
    thanks for the tip about the prices! the brake I have now work fine for the time being so I'm not concerned there. I'll watch for saints though.

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    You just remove the granny ring... and it's a single ring crank.

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