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    Seen this yet? Crazy!!


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    Its not joke, BS like that gets spread by that publication far too often.

    Basically they think guns kill people, not the person squeezing the trigger.
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    That was written in a mountain bike mag? What sort of dipshit rider/journo thinks like this? The gun analogy is pretty correct. I seriously doubt that any bike has ever attacked anyone of its own free will? As an owner of a bike that fits the general description, maybe I have the wrong brand because it has not transformed me into Greg Minaar, not even on the traverses!

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    Wow, this is why I don't miss reading MBA....typical Californian way of thought.

    Yeah let's ban every style of mountain biking, and maybe...just maaaaybe one day a bikepark will get build around the greater San Diego area for "gravity or black diamond bikes" to be ridden on.

    Absurd.
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    Well, so much for the "protesting" and what not from back when they first came up with their "cunning plan":

    Downhill bike ban/exclusion proposal - pinnacle of stupidity

    Seems they are not ready to let this go. But what are they going to do with bikes like the new Stumpy Evo? That thing probably rips harder than a "black diamond" bike from a few years back. As time goes on, their plan becomes EVEN MORE STUPID and impossible to implement.

    Oh and it gets better: the DH pic they used to illustrate this latest article actually has a 6" bike in it. Just makes that point about how hard these bikes can go...

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    This would be like Car and Driver magazine calling out a ban on all sports cars from public roads..... "Any yahoo could buy a race car and drive like an idiot...."

    MBA is a joke if you don't know that already...

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    First of all, nothing has been banned. This is just an editorial trying to stir up some sh!t.

    It is a print magazine, a dying breed. They have to try everything to get people's attention, even if it means stabbing fellow riders/readers in the back with an editorial like that.

    This is nothing but a lame, treacherous publicity stunt, and the worst part is that it might just work.
    I bet the October issue will sell like hotcakes compared to their usual print run. I'll also bet that Mr. McIlvain will be out of a job in a few years regardless.
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    Wow, that is the biggest load of BS. This guy thinks pretty highly of himself, instead of enforcing rules lets make more laws and blanket screw everyone.
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    If this were true, the first place you would probably hear about it would be on major mtb sites, like mtbr, pinkbike etc, the second place you'd hear about it is on tv, becasue news gets updated everyday, not on a monthly basis like bike mags, the bike mag would be the last place you'd hear news of that nature.
    Yeah its a bold move to sell more issues, but the dikhead does not realise what kind of damage he is doing/done to their reputation.

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    Stupid mag, for noobs... I'm not surprised, but still disgusted.

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    thats an old article from last year i think...
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    In CA, most of the good DH trails are illegal anyways. Does the author want a government agent to measure bike travel at the top of trails?

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    Quote Originally Posted by singlesprocket View Post
    thats an old article from last year i think...
    Nope, this is another version of that article, being published now. The thread I linked to was from last year...

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    2) More existing and potential trails would become available or proposed for mountain biking.
    No, not really.
    4) Damage caused by off-trail riding would decrease.
    No, because we wouldn't be allowed on trails anymore.
    5) Sales of the designated gravity bikes would decrease while sales of trail and cross-country bikes would increase.
    How is this a good thing?
    6) Progressive land managers looking to boost attendance in their jurisdiction would develop and designate gravity-specific trails that would become wildly popular destinations.
    They don't know anything about downhill, therefore they can't make downhill trails.
    7) More bike parks would open.
    8) Gravity bike sales would increase because riders would have legal places to ride them.
    Once again not true. Also, they just said downhill bike sales would decrease.
    10) Riders who thrive on the rush of gravity could do so without threat of legal action or fines, and they would have much better terrain to practice their skills on.
    We already can. They're the ones trying to stop it.

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    isn't this violating the old saying its the rider not the bike? i know people who crawl around on dh rigs no matter what trail they are riding, and then there are dudes that can rukus any trail on hardtail...

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    What a fvcking dooche
    Yup, everytime I take my one and only '7" Black-Diamond' bike for a spin on the local MUT with my 8 year old, I must be shredding everything I see.

    I guess I just can't ride it unless I'm pinned to the max, even in the flat XC land in which I live. I guess I'll just have to drive the 4 hours to the Lift Assist hill every time I want to go for a ride, even if I just want to have an easy trail ride, or heaven forbid ride with my sons. They will be corrupted by the parental unit riding a big bike

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    Sure, many of us can afford a second, third or # bike all for various purposes, but for many others of us getting one single good bike is a challenge. When you have to choose only one, people tend to buy something that can take all of the terrain they like to ride, so they end up riding a 6" AM+ type bike on everything available.

    Better to be out on the one bike then be banned to sitting in front of the TV scarfing Doritos.

    I am no longer wondering why RC left MBA. I guess he wanted to breathe without having to move piles of BS to be able to...

    And again this POS ASSumes everybody who rides a big bike lives in the US....

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    I think they're just trying to sell more magazines in the downward spiral of print media. I ride a 46 pound, 9 inch travel bike regularly, XC, DH, even on the paved multi-use paths. This proposal would not allow me to spin a "road ride" on my Foes Fly bike for fitness training, even on the paved bike paths. Maybe we should propose banning these black diamond bikes on the public highways as well? "Yeah, I want to go for a road ride on my black diamond bike, but I have to go to Laguna Seca Raceway to do that."

    What a joke. I've seen fully geared DH guys walking down sections of multi-use trails where other guys with no armor on hardtails rip the same section.

    Is there a Facebook page to ban MBA from printing such dribble? It's like they're in East Germany or something and the Stasi are after them....

    Edited for Stasi misspelling....

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    I've got it figured out.

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    Eh, don't get too worked up. He is in charge of generating ad dollars, and you do that by having people click on a link or buy a magazine. Good job on his part in that regard.

    I read the editorial before I saw this post and knew it would create a stir. I actually thought he made a couple good points. I'm not for banning bikes, but my reasoning is that its a slippery slpe with these land managers. If you agree to ban 8" bikes it's not long before they whittle away more and more and more. So, no, I don't agree with his approach but he's trying to take a proactive, albeit controversial, approach to saving trail access for the majority. Every battle has collateral damage, if eliminating the 8" bike keeps the trail open for ALL others it would be better than losing access entirely.

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    The really funny part about that is that on most mulituse trails.......they're mellow enough that a dh bike rolls way slower.
    STRAVA: Enabling dorks everywhere to get trails shut down........ all for the sake of a race on the internet.

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    LOL a mountain bike magazine publishing this ? Oxy- Moron ... That cali bud must really be messing with him to write some nonsense like that lol ..

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    Quote Originally Posted by RTM View Post
    if eliminating the 8" bike keeps the trail open for ALL others it would be better than losing access entirely.
    I very much appreciate that you're heart is in the right place, but I do not agree that this statement is correct.

    Viewed in isolation, it may appear better to keep access to a trail for some than to lose it for all, but viewed as part of the big scheme of things, it is far far better to lose that trail entirely if it means that all mountain bikers continue to press for increased access everywhere. As soon as you begin limiting some bikes in some places, you lose the support of that part of the community.

    Mountain biking in the US is already absurdly limited by various land managers. The last thing we need is to be fighting amongst ourselves - we must present a united front to the various ridiculous antis whom manage public land, and whom try to limit our sport.

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    You know, I read the link again and I don't know whether my disgust, anger, despair or desire for action is greatest. Unfortunately, this article can no longer justify a hanging.

    As per another poster, I am not American. We (the rest) see the expansion of this type of political correctness as an example of the failing of our world. When it comes to someone in your own corner stabbing you in the back, something has to happen! To qualify this, being Australian I have the historical right to presume that what happens to you will happen to us in 10 years.

    I still cannot believe what this drongo has written regardless of the benefits, personal, career or corporate marketing. The closest thing I can recall in my life was the deputy school mistress taking girls aside to measure their skirt lengths and check they were wearing the "appropriate" knickers (read panties or lack of if they were not "appropriate")! Just a guess, but the author is a small guy, with a marginal XC race background, at least one road bike, a very large car and a very small co@# ?

    Someone suggested an internet site against the mag. I have no Facebook, Twitter or other modern and meaningful internet appendages, so can someone over there please start a campaign against this EX-MTB Mag and help save the rest of the free world? Please?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ridnparadise View Post
    To qualify this, being Australian I have the historical right to presume that what happens to you will happen to us in 10 years.

    Someone suggested an internet site against the mag. I have no Facebook, Twitter or other modern and meaningful internet appendages, so can someone over there please start a campaign against this EX-MTB Mag and help save the rest of the free world? Please?
    I really can't see this happening if at all in oz. We have great programs and infrastructure for young riders, state and national series...etc.

    A story like that going to print is not going to have much impact, it's just one mans opinion. I am guessing he has made a lot of enemies.

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    IMBA nor any charter or affiliate club involved with mountain biking advocacy condones any type of unauthorized trail building. We also understand that unauthorized trails, DJ trails, TTF, etc. are evidence that there is a need for these types of trails/features.

    If the issue here is lack of riding opportunities for all factions of our sport, the solution must be that all factions of our sport work together with land managers to create appropriate riding opportunities for all mountain bikers.

    The media has divided our sport by categorizing XCrider,DH rider & a DJ'er etc. Different bikes, different helmets, different shorts etc. All of us riders must remember that while we may ride differently, prefer different trail experiences, or our shorts may be tighter/looser, we all are mountain bikers and we must stand together, especially if a faction of our sport needs assistance.

    MountainBikeAction is at the least irresponsible for suggesting banning mountain bikers from any trail, anywhere. Trail advocates represent all factions of our sport and we do not advocate for closing trails or banning our constituency for any reason. I see the underlying issue in the story, the solution is for more and varied trail opportunities that reflect the needs of all factions of our sport.
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    Quote Originally Posted by recitio View Post
    I very much appreciate that you're heart is in the right place, but I do not agree that this statement is correct.

    Viewed in isolation, it may appear better to keep access to a trail for some than to lose it for all, but viewed as part of the big scheme of things, it is far far better to lose that trail entirely if it means that all mountain bikers continue to press for increased access everywhere. As soon as you begin limiting some bikes in some places, you lose the support of that part of the community.

    Mountain biking in the US is already absurdly limited by various land managers. The last thing we need is to be fighting amongst ourselves - we must present a united front to the various ridiculous antis whom manage public land, and whom try to limit our sport.
    I appreciate the level headed, thoughtful response. I actually agree with you for exactly the same reasons you state, hence, my "slippery slope" comment. It is unfortunate that, these days, compromise by one side is viewed as weakness by the other. Therefore no one can budge an inch or we all get run over. Sad really.

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    its retarded but what can u do about it. if u see him in the trails just throw a stick in his spokes lol

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    What a joke. They must be desperate for attention.
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    Perhaps he'd like to see us all on one of these..

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    Is he sitting on his balls?

    That video reminds me of this thread.

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    at least get the right facts in the article....I KNOW FOR FACT.....THIS IS AN UNTRUE LIE

    ... when the article says "Mountain Bike Action has tried to set a good example by testing and photographing gravity bikes in appropriate, downhill-designated locations. All our current downhill testing takes place on designated downhill courses (thanks to Northstar-At-Tahoe, Mammoth Mountain and Southridge Racing’s Fontana course). Yes, we have a number of rogue downhill trails a lot closer to us than Truckee, Mammoth Lakes and Fontana, but you won’t see us on them. Unfortunately, setting a good example is not enough." LIES LIES LIES..

    ...this is B.S. MBAction are the biggest hypocrites...they say don't ride on illegal trails but every issue had test bikes ridden on illegal trails..in 2010, IN ALMOST EVERY ISSUE, MBA HAD AT LEAST 3 PICS OF ILLEGAL TRAIL TESTING...AND USUALLY 6...bike on illegal trail...effing hypocrites (do not buy MBA)
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    Quote Originally Posted by powderhound82 View Post
    The ultimate multi-use trail device. You're a hiker, you're a biker, you're a j@cka$$

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    Looks flexy! Haha. Also, is there a dild0 up his @$$?

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    Is this article a TROLL, or is it for real?

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    all the consternation in this thread makes me really glad i live out east, in an area where land managers are actively adding public freeride, dj, slopestyle and downhill trails to their systems and we have very few access fights. too bad its going to take another decade or two for the old anti-bike people to die off, as its the only way real progress will be made.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katana View Post
    MBA is a joke if you don't know that already...
    MBA is drivel. Every time I manage to read something from it, I'm pretty disgusted on how bad it is.
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    Turning the logic around, it seems to me that any XC bike does not belong on a trail with any sort of downhill slope to it. I mean hell, if this mag is going to get ridiculous, I can be ridiculous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cdburch View Post
    all the consternation in this thread makes me really glad i live out east, in an area where land managers are actively adding public freeride, dj, slopestyle and downhill trails to their systems
    You mean like bootleg canyon, post canyon, blackrock, duthie hill, valmont, teton pass, galbraith, eagle bike park, and trestle denver?
    STRAVA: Enabling dorks everywhere to get trails shut down........ all for the sake of a race on the internet.

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    While I don't agree with the article's position at all, there should at least be DH trails in place before any thought of restriction to usage.

    On another note...Change the wilds ban from "mechanized" to "motorized". Why its okay to drag a sled in wilderness is beyond me. The invention of the wheel seems like a bright idea compared to the current set up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kidwoo View Post
    The really funny part about that is that on most mulituse trails.......they're mellow enough that a dh bike rolls way slower.
    How true. They should call for a ban on 29ers. Every 29er owner I talk to tells me how much faster they are on their big wheels.
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    Ha!

    Quote Originally Posted by Scott@GO-RIDE.com View Post
    How true. They should call for a ban on 29ers. Every 29er owner I talk to tells me how much faster they are on their big wheels.
    HA!
    Actually I think all 29ers should come with a warning label tag on the frame like that numnuts MBA article suggest for DH rigs. It should read something like ' Warnning: Riding a 29" mtb could turn you into a raving, irrational zealot.'

    Im so sick of explainig to these guys why 29" wheels dont really work well with big bikes every time I go on an xc ride. They just stare back at me with this incomprehensive look on their face and say "but they roll over everything so much better!" Arrgh.

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    hmmm

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    I let my subscription to mba run out a couple years ago, I got really tired of stupid articles like "how to ride clipless without fear of falling", and after this stinker they've only gotten worse. The uphill struggle to maintain trail access is hard enough, this a$$hat is only going to do furthur damage by influencing a land manager who actually believes this crap. Downhill bikes aren't any fun on m.u. trails anyway, and if a movement like this ever gained momentum where would it end? This "ban" would progress to all mountain bikes, then trail bikes, and eventually any bike with anything resembling a shock would be banned. I can see it now, all bikes would be forced to ride uphill only on public lands, all downhill sections would be closed or have to be walked. It's just a publicity stunt anyway to save their crappy mag, but if I ever happen to run into Jimmy Mac on the trail one day (not likely since I live on the other coast) I'll punch his face in and hurl his ride off a cliff, just for throwing us all under the bus.

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