Platform Pedal Shootout, the best flat is...

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Originally Posted by monkei

Wow, those Arachnids look cool, how much??

Nobody has mentioned the speedplay drilliums, I used em' for a while until i wanted something a lil' thinner and got the wah-wahs. They were some pretty awesome pedals with a super fat platform area. Ended up givin' em' to a buddy.

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Dag. Can I be your buddy? My riding buddy has been on the same set of Drilliums for years - first DH, now XC. I would be there in a New York minit if the pegs weren't set screws. The platform is gargantuan and perfectly concave. It's like a comfy sofa for your feet. I love those pedals.

I like that description, sofa for the feet, pretty accurate from what I remember. It was a pretty generous giveaway I 'spose, but I've been hounding this particular dude to get more into biking for a looong while. I figured a few nice pieces might help him enjoy ridin' hard a bit more. He just bought his first FS :)

I was pretty set on the Blackspire Sub4's until I saw this...



As well here

http://bb.nsmb.com/showthread.php?t=136969

^^ Yeah that. I'm over getting super light weight pedals if they get damaged easily. I just ordered a set of those answer rove pedals. Not that light but look well built and I like the pins.

Xpedo FaceOff XM13

Stupid grippy with just skate shoes. Only had them 2 weeks so can't speak to strength.

Notice the pins are focused on the axle where your weight is centered.

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Originally Posted by Digipenguin

Xpedo FaceOff XM13

Stupid grippy with just skate shoes. Only had them 2 weeks so can't speak to strength.

Notice the pins are focused on the axle where your weight is centered.

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Had those too, shredded quickly. Hope you have better luck.

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Originally Posted by NoahColorado

Had those too, shredded quickly. Hope you have better luck.

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What happened to them? Was it that they couldn't take getting bashed or they just fell apart on their own? I ask because I dont smack my pedals very often so if that's the case then I'm not really worried about it, but if they wear out quickly and explode on their own I might look at getting something else. Thanks.

digipenguin, my friend's bike has those xpedos, and the grip is pretty mediocre. platform is small too. better pedals out there for not much more $$.

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They look like Wellgos?

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Originally Posted by kameraguy

I didn't see the Dark Cycles Arachnids posted:



I love these pedals! if anything, they are pretty unique looking. But they do work well.

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I just ordered a pair today. I can't wait to see them in person.

Oooooo, spooky. I like the looks.

Has anyone tried these out? They look pretty good, but then again so did those VP pedals, I dont wana be the one to try them out and have them get shredded by some stoopid rock. I know they are European so its not likely anyone has tried them. They also make some higher end models.

http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/M...?ModelID=58615

Just got a pair of the Deity Decoy LTD's . . . stoked on them. Expensive, light, and blingy.

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Originally Posted by hardrocker77

Has anyone tried these out? They look pretty good, but then again so did those VP pedals, I dont wana be the one to try them out and have them get shredded by some stoopid rock. I know they are European so its not likely anyone has tried them. They also make some higher end models.

http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/M...?ModelID=58615

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They're not European. At least not made in Europe or even designed here (unless a colour scheme is considered as a design). Rebranding mostly. Octane One is the same company as Ns Bikes. Generic Chinese/Taiwanese catalogue products mostly but in some rather awesome colours. I just went with Wellgo V12 copies instead of those Octane Ones (would have loved the green ones), same price range so no biggie if they fail after a year or two.

anyone had some time on the new dmr vaults?


they have everything i like on a pedal.
Just how good are they grip / durability wise?

nice pedals here

@Beeskneez: cool colors (blue black gold) there on the DMR's, notice too the different screw types on the pedal (short and tall heights, hex heads?). Wonder why that is?

This is a good opportunity to bring up my post #60 about the Wellgo MG-1's. I never owned them so cant speak for quality or pedal height (they appear thick compared to all the latest slim platforms) but for sub-$90 shipped, magnesium platforms, titanium spindles and a weight of sub-150g per pedal (300g pedal set), that's pretty legit. Too legit to quit, especially when sellers from Asia are selling the 76g gold anodized titanium spindles alone for $70. There are other blue and silver titanium spindles from Canada that are Ti6Al4V at 82g/set but these do have a 200 lb rider weight limit.

As a Clydesdale, these weight limits, appreciate they're honest, but they have prevented me from going ti spindles. Notice how weight limits are different amongst all companies from 180lbs Crank Brothers to 235 lbs from Ward industries with USA sourced and made Ti-6al-4v spindles that are rated at 235lbs right weight limit.

Below: the sub-$90 300g/set Wellgo MG-1's titanium spindles.

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Originally Posted by illnacord

@Beeskneez: cool colors (blue black gold) there on the DMR's, notice too the different screw types on the pedal (short and tall heights, hex heads?). Wonder why that is?

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different heights, and also some pins have to go in from the top due to their location. They are a little on the heavy side but DMR bearings seem to last longer than most.

Funny how many of those broken Sub4 pics are from a single user (DHPete)

OMG! Fanboi alert! Seen on Sam Hill's bike:



Crank Brothers protos apparently...

I have a set of used red arachnids for sale if anyone want. let me know.

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Originally Posted by Iceman2058

OMG! Fanboi alert! Seen on Sam Hill's bike...

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Looks flexy.

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Originally Posted by Truckee Trash

Just got a pair of the Deity Decoy LTD's . . . stoked on them. Expensive, light, and blingy.

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I have been running those since last August. Multiple laps down Porcupine Rim in Moab, which is hard on gear. So far, so good. They are definitely light and blingy, and my credit card did not like me the day I bought them.

Best flats... Being clipped in.

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Originally Posted by his dudeness

Best flats... Being clipped in.

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Blasphemer!! Keep you clipless coolaid to yourself.

@his dudeness: Below are pix of CB platform adapters that will qualify your impious statement. However, twisting the platform adapters disengages them, so they're for nothing more than "test rides" and grocery store quick runs.

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The Winwood Decksters require a set of cleats that customer provides which makes them expensive and a poor value. If you're in that direction, you may just go top shelf with White Industries pedal insert cranks with the QR so you can pop in different pedals minus a wrench or allen key.

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Now, back to the original topic "platform pedal shootout, the best flat is", please.
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About 3 weeks ago I had a bad experience with my vp-001 pedals. Long story short, they didn't last a weekend of racing so I wrote a few reviews about them and I chocked it up as a loss. Well a few weeks later I got a pm from a VP rep stating he was a sorry I had a bad experience with the pedals and was gonna send me out a few replacement sets of different pedals. I was amazed by this because I didn't even contact vp directly.

Last week I got a set of vp-00x pedals delivered to my door. Here they are compared to the vp-001.

They are almost the same pedal except with a solid axle going all the way through them. This makes them stronger but as a result a tiny bit heavier than the vp-001. The weight is hardly noticeable by feel. Another thing you'll notice is where the axle connects to the cranks is smaller effectively bringing the pedal closer to the crank arms. It wasn't a problem for me, but riders that like larger and wider platforms might not like this.

After trying them today my opinion on them is they grip very well and felt good under my feet. I do like their low profile and will probably use them on my xc hardtail. Imo these pedals would be good for light trail riding but not dh or freeriding. The rep advised me of this as well. Can't wait to get the other pedals, I give props to VP for listening and providing excellent customer service. I will post pics of the other pedals when I get them.

If that rep is reading this, I still have the new-in-box VP-001s that I posted about back here, before we all discovered how long they (don't/won't) last...
http://forums.mtbr.com/showpost.php?...&postcount=113

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Originally Posted by monstertiki

About 3 weeks ago I had a bad experience with my vp-001 pedals. Long story short, they didn't last a weekend of racing so I wrote a few reviews about them and I chocked it up as a loss. Well a few weeks later I got a pm from a VP rep stating he was a sorry I had a bad experience with the pedals and was gonna send me out a few replacement sets of different pedals. I was amazed by this because I didn't even contact vp directly.

Last week I got a set of vp-00x pedals delivered to my door. Here they are compared to the vp-001.

They are almost the same pedal except with a solid axle going all the way through them. This makes them stronger but as a result a tiny bit heavier than the vp-001. The weight is hardly noticeable by feel. Another thing you'll notice is where the axle connects to the cranks is smaller effectively bringing the pedal closer to the crank arms. It wasn't a problem for me, but riders that like larger and wider platforms might not like this.

After trying them today my opinion on them is they grip very well and felt good under my feet. I do like their low profile and will probably use them on my xc hardtail. Imo these pedals would be good for light trail riding but not dh or freeriding. The rep advised me of this as well. Can't wait to get the other pedals, I give props to VP for listening and providing excellent customer service. I will post pics of the other pedals when I get them.

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proof that the internet works. :)

the dark cycle arachnids are sick!! I love them on my bike.

Blue anodized Bullseye pedals with a holy batload of pins across the platform.

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Superstar pedals, with cutouts and colored pins. Who has the specs on pedal pins?! Are all threaded holes created equal and are pins interchangeable? Which pin system, grub screw, system is the preferred or best? :confused:

Got a pair of VP-59's, a much stronger pedal than the 001's and haven't heard any of my buddies having problems with them. Great pedal so far!

@TheRifleman, the 5 pins are insufficient and the design process explained by VP is something that just doesn't happen in the real world. e.g. You don't want your foot to slip on a jump, and then reposition after. Let's take it back to the OT and present candidates for best platform pedals ;-)

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Let me know if you figure out a solution for a little better freespin on the prerunners. Probably my only gripe with 'em, I've learnde to deal with it on the climbs.

On a side note, they perform awesome in the wet!! Spent all day today in the rain and mud going though the soupy to running creeks.

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An update: I did disassemble the pedals and relube the bushing with Manitou M-Prep to try to free-up the spin a bit. Sorry to say it didn't make a significant difference; the pedals still turned very stiffly. It was my only gripe too, but it was significant enough that I ended up selling them. Too bad, as they were perfect in just about every other way, but super-thin isn't worth it to me if the pedals spin on relatively high-friction bushings.

According to the guy I spoke with at Twenty6, the drag is mostly due to the 4 o-rings. I've learned to deal with the friction; I really like the platform, machinework, look, and grip on downhill runs.

Just won an auction for a set of their older model with the Ti spindles, the Rallye (It'll be going on a 700c rigid/hardtail build):

Hard to reply to your post without sounding like a flame, but here goes....

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Originally Posted by illnacord

@TheRifleman, the 5 pins are insufficient and the design process explained by VP is something that just doesn't happen in the real world. e.g. You don't want your foot to slip on a jump, and then reposition after. Let's take it back to the OT and present candidates for best platform pedals ;-)

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Can we honestly talk about the perfect pedal without also talking about shoes, type of riding being done, ride style, experience level, fitness level, etc.? Maybe you can, thinking that all you need is a gazillion studs in your flats to keep your foot on the pedal but in all my years of riding I've not had much of an issue keeping my feet on a pedal of any kind. I have a hard time keeping my tires on the ground, that's about it!

The FIVE pins on my VP-59 (have you used these pedals?) and 510's stick together just fine and I do a lot of freeride, DJ and trails. Hell sometimes I think there's glue on my shoes! I don't have this "real world" issue you speak of so I just came in here to present the OP with MY experience and it's that the VP-59 is a killer pedal in my experience with them in the "real world". ymmv

peace

I have been a long time DX fan but have used Burtecs Penthouse MK11s and now for the last few years MK111s which have a lower profile!

These are not the cheapest pedal around but I think Twenty 6s Point Ones etc would be as if not more expensive!

The key benefits for me have been super reliability, and feel, feel for me is solidity, I feel like I'm still on my moto, they're super grippy, handle all seasons,wet and dry, rocks and mud, for me its a true platform!

If I was to change Ive long liked what Point One do its different but for me and my huge width/girth of foot its hard for me to change to something else when I have no reason for change, the weight is not a concern to me, the secure feel stiffness and knowing my foot is well protected and will stay on no matter what, everything I need in a pedal this one covers and covers very well for me.

Sometimes the grip is too much, but you adapt, I use 5:10s wouldn't use anything else either!

Servicing, super easy to do, I strip them re grease a few times a year, current ones only done 2-3 times over last 2 seasons, I haven't had to replace anything pins either they are allen key from the opposite side, still looking great 2, just such an easy pedal to live with. my all time pedal pick, simple no gimmicks no marketing just works.

I have DXs but never use em, and have ridden quite a few brands mentioned here, surprised Burgtecs don't come up a bit more, but then its a UK brand and works well for UK conditions, says it all really, also very popular with WC riders not riding sponsored brands, I know one or too an ex BT rider who would rather be riding these than say 50/50s ;) :)

http://www.burgtec.co.uk/products/pe...nthouse-flats/

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Originally Posted by Digipenguin

Xpedo FaceOff XM13

Stupid grippy with just skate shoes. Only had them 2 weeks so can't speak to strength.

Notice the pins are focused on the axle where your weight is centered.

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They don't look that grippy to me. Pins are too shallow and wide. They also look kinda flmsy, the plates seem awfully thin. I wouldn't want to have a crash with them pedals.

189 replies and we still haven't answered which is the best flat pedal???









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Originally Posted by Iceman2058

189 replies and we still haven't answered which is the best flat pedal???

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As you can tell by the thread, there is no best.

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Originally Posted by SV11

As you can tell by the thread, there is no best.

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Say it ain't so!!!???

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Originally Posted by Iceman2058

Say it ain't so!!!???

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lol, sorry to be a downer.

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Originally Posted by illnacord

Superstar pedals, with cutouts and colored pins. Who has the specs on pedal pins?! Are all threaded holes created equal and are pins interchangeable? Which pin system, grub screw, system is the preferred or best? :confused:

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I've been running a pair of these ^^^ HT-made "Superstar Ultra-Mag CNC" pedals on my AM & DH bike for a while now (Black with gold pins FYI, and steel axle... but at only 310g/pair I see little point in going the expensive Ti axles...though it does bring the weight to an insane 260g/pair!!).

Very light, and really well made. Slightly concavity to its shape which I find nice, and pretty thin for extra clearance. Grip wise, initially they didn't have as much insane grip as I was used to (compared to my NS Legeaters on my street bike) but now that the pins have some wear on top of them they actually grip better, as they are sharper (if that makes sense). I also like the fact that these pins are stronger than the hollow hex threaded-pins, and the bolt head itself stays well intact for later replacement if needed, unlike the hollow hex type pins which get full of crud, deform, and generally seem to get pulled out a lot easier.

I've smashed these Ultra Mag CNC pedals many times on rocks and the like, without issue (apart from a loss of some colour of course). I will be buying these again - the weight/price and performance/price is brilliant, let alone all the different colour combo's you can chose from.

Cheers,
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I've been running a pair of these ^^^ HT-made "Superstar Ultra-Mag CNC" pedals on my AM & DH bike for a while now (Black with gold pins FYI, and steel axle... but at only 310g/pair I see little point in going the expensive Ti axles...though it does bring the weight to an insane 260g/pair!!).

Very light, and really well made. Slightly concavity to its shape which I find nice, and pretty thin for extra clearance. Grip wise, initially they didn't have as much insane grip as I was used to (compared to my NS Legeaters on my street bike) but now that the pins have some wear on top of them they actually grip better, as they are sharper (if that makes sense). I also like the fact that these pins are stronger than the hollow hex threaded-pins, and the bolt head itself stays well intact for later replacement if needed, unlike the hollow hex type pins which get full of crud, deform, and generally seem to get pulled out a lot easier.

I've smashed these Ultra Mag CNC pedals many times on rocks and the like, without issue (apart from a loss of some colour of course). I will be buying these again - the weight/price and performance/price is brilliant, let alone all the different colour combo's you can chose from.

Cheers,
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Price, and place to purchase them (anywhere aside from superstar themselves, prefer not ordering from across seas)? 260g/pair for the ti spindle is unreal.

Well Superstar branded stuff is only available direct from them at http://superstar.tibolts.co.uk. From my experience their postage was good, i had no issues buying them from the other side of the world.

Interestingly, unlike the more common design available under lots of different names (still a great pedal it has to be said) I've actually not seen this slightly different, lighter Ultra Mag version labelled anything else other than Superstar. Maybe search for HT pedals and see what you get?

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So creeped this thread for 30 minutes now and all I know is my head hurts.

I think I've narrowed it down to straitline(s), sunline v one(s), or the budget minded sun ringle zuzu(s)? Haven't seen them mentioned to much except in the first page, but no bad reviews at least thats I saw. Am I missing some weak points on either? Does the V One's hold more mud with all that platform?

has anybody reviewed the zuzu(s) did I over look them?

Oh and HT is the restamper or the original? I feel lost..... and scared. I really don't want to regret my first platform pedal decision. haha

thanks!

I just ordered the Nuke Proof Neutron Alloy-Ti Pedal 2011 - Silver - Alloy - Ti Axle. So I'm pretty ripped to try them out.

I'm liking my Gravity Light Pedals