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    Quote Originally Posted by monstertiki
    Where did you get your sub-4's? I found some at goose creek cycles online for $85 shipped. Was gonna get them but have never ordered from them. They look great for the price.

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    ride-this.com has em for $74... Not sure about availability though... A steal at that price b/c they are a sweet set of pedals that weigh only 350g...
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    soooo....calling all the pedal gurus (addicts...):

    -I notice that the majority of pedals seems to have a shape where the platform curves away from the crank arms (a la Podium). I think this might bother me - the Wahwahs I run now are the opposite, the platform curves back in from the spindle towards the cranks, giving you more support for the inside of the foot as you move them in close to the crank arm (which I happen to like to do). So the question is: do any of you notice this/are you bothered by it?

    -most pedals do not have pins under the ball of the foot. Again, that is something that I think would bother me - but I don't know. Maybe with a good pin pattern around the edges, the grip is enough? My Wahwahs have 2 pins in the middle...I can't say for sure if it's better, but I do know that even in sticky mud, they work well.

    Any input on these 2 points? I am looking at those new DMRs (the Vault), they look like they should be good pedals, but because of the 2 points I listed above, I hesitate...and they are an expensive experiment, so I don't want to just throw myself into it...
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    I just ordered a pair of Podium's for my new build, and I'm looking forward to trying them out.

    My go to pedal for the past year on all my bikes has been the Answer FR Rove:


    Similar in platform shape to your Kona pedals, except the platform comes out at a 90 degree from the spindle instead of angling back toward the crank arm.

    In my experience, as someone who dabs a lot or corners moto style, I sometimes find myself hitting my heel on the crank arms as I'm replacing my feet and trying to find the "sweet spot" on the platform. In my opinion, the Podiums with their platform angled away from the crank a bit will give your feet a bit more clearance between the platform and crank arm, making it less likely you will be stepping on the cranks when you pull your feet back on.

    As far as pins go, it is all personal preference. If you do ride with your feet regularly off the pedals, there is such a thing as too much grip. I've never had any problems with slipping a pedal on my Rove's and do not think it will be a problem with the Podium. As an alternative, Point 1 Racing does offer some longer pins for the Podium. I ordered a set from them last week.

    If you haven't already, read this review of the Podium on pinkbike.com:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iceman2058
    -I notice that the majority of pedals seems to have a shape where the platform curves away from the crank arms (a la Podium). I think this might bother me - the Wahwahs I run now are the opposite, the platform curves back in from the spindle towards the cranks, giving you more support for the inside of the foot as you move them in close to the crank arm (which I happen to like to do). So the question is: do any of you notice this/are you bothered by it?
    The difference is that the Kona has exposed spindle before it enters the pedal body, whereas the Podium does not, same as on my prerunners. So on those style pedals you don't stand on the platform right next to the crankarm or you'll rub your shoes on the crankarm/ chainstay. For me it took a bit to get used to, but wasn't a big deal.
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    Been pretty happy with my new used Twenty6 prerunners, i need to play around with pins a bit for better grip on the real bumpy DH sheeit.

    They're super light, and deflect off stuff well.

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    Iceman, one of my bikes has the older Deity pedals that cut back towards the cranks and one bike has the new style which removed that bit of material to save weight. I thought it would be an issue but it has not been one at all. Love the pedals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jason B.
    Iceman, one of my bikes has the older Deity pedals that cut back towards the cranks and one bike has the new style which removed that bit of material to save weight. I thought it would be an issue but it has not been one at all. Love the pedals.
    Thanks man. That was my question exactly. Looks like I'll have to succumb to my acute case of pedal upgradeitis then... (which is really quite silly since I love my Wahwahs...but what'r you gunna do...the only way to cure blingitis is to buy something...).

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    Anybody else on the Specialized Lo Pro 2's???

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    All I care about is durability. I hate when a pedals develops play after a few rides. Really don't want to be rebuilding a pedal every few weeks because it looks cool and is super thin. My question is which pedal gives the most longevity? I do like the idea of the Sunline V-1 with sealed ball and needle bearing instead of du.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iceman2058
    -most pedals do not have pins under the ball of the foot. Again, that is something that I think would bother me - but I don't know. Maybe with a good pin pattern around the edges, the grip is enough? My Wahwahs have 2 pins in the middle...I can't say for sure if it's better, but I do know that even in sticky mud, they work well.
    With my limited experience (snow riding) I'm already pretty certain that I like my flats with pins under the ball of the foot a lot more than my more blingy pedals that do not have pins there. My pedals without those pins are Superstar Nanos and yes they have good grip but not in the middle.

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    spank spike pedals

    @coopie, yeah, valid points.DU bushings have their place but are something to avoid for majority of riders.

    @jasevr4, the Spank Spikes are promising. The axle interface without the wrench flats is a direct copy of the Podium1's. No, not influenced or inspired, straight up copied. The platform is the former, and the price is quoted at 120= which is closer to the real deal than a copy. There is an update, with a single pin near the center spindle.This was a suggestion made by users of the newer styled flats that are posted in the OP's offerings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iceman2058
    -most pedals do not have pins under the ball of the foot.
    Dunno if it matters, but it seemed suspicious to me, too.
    I ordered a set of VP-001s to find out.
    Might have them in time for the weekend...

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    Quote Originally Posted by NWS
    Dunno if it matters, but it seemed suspicious to me, too.
    I ordered a set of VP-001s to find out.
    Might have them in time for the weekend...

    http://www.universalcycles.com/shopp...s.php?id=38284
    Those pedals look to good to be true for 60 bucks. 13mm thickness, 360 grams, pins everywhere. Let us know how they work for you once you get to try them out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by monstertiki
    Those pedals look to good to be true for 60 bucks. 13mm thickness, 360 grams, pins everywhere. Let us know how they work for you once you get to try them out.
    Agreed. These look like they'd be worth trying. The do have the old style allen head pins that don't go clear through the pedal but other than that they look the biz. Good color options too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by illnacord
    The axle interface without the wrench flats is a direct copy of the Podium1's. No, not influenced or inspired, straight up copied.
    Podiums haven't been out long enough to claim to be the first with that axle design. I have plenty of CB pedals with the same type axle.
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    Dangit - now I don't know which to get. The sub-4s look sweet but those VP-001s look mighty tasty too.

    Gonna finally bite the bullet and go the platform route as I think once I am used to them (been clipless for a long time) I think I will like the freedom on my DH bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drewp29
    Dangit - now I don't know which to get. The sub-4s look sweet but those VP-001s look mighty tasty too.

    Gonna finally bite the bullet and go the platform route as I think once I am used to them (been clipless for a long time) I think I will like the freedom on my DH bike.
    I was about to pull the trigger on the sub4 but then saw this and got squeamish. I just ordered Wellgo b030 pedals instead for $53 shipped. We'll see how they perform.
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    Quote Originally Posted by buddhak
    I was about to pull the trigger on the sub4 but then saw this and got squeamish. I just ordered Wellgo b030 pedals instead for $53 shipped. We'll see how they perform.

    I've been looking at the Sub4s too, and appreciate the post/info/alternative Buddhak. I had been kind of looking for Sub4-like alternatives for comparison purposes, so appreciate the Wellgo option. Tx.

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    So how fast does Straitlines develop play in normal situations? I dont do 50 foot gap jumps, just an average dh rider. Sick of play developing in my pedals. Two sets of 50/50 both x and xx, two sets of Funn Slojams loose balls, atomlabs, and old Easton Cullies. The CB 50/50 xx was the worest so far had so much play after one ride thought my bike was falling apart. On my second warranty replacement.

    I'm either getting a set of Straitlines (you get what you pay for) Or Sunline V-1's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coopie
    All I care about is durability. I hate when a pedals develops play after a few rides. Really don't want to be rebuilding a pedal every few weeks because it looks cool and is super thin. My question is which pedal gives the most longevity? I do like the idea of the Sunline V-1 with sealed ball and needle bearing instead of du.
    To my knowledge, Burgtec MK3's are the only pedals with a 3 year warranty on the spindle and body. That should matter if you are looking for durability. Smash them on a rock, no problem. You'll probably break the rock. If you smash anything else on a rock, well, tough luck. I bought a couple sets of Burgtecs and love them. On my DJ (overkill) and DH bike.
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    Those burgtec pedals are expensive. CRC $214. Good reviews I have to say, might have to work a little harder and save.

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    Sheeeit, if you're gonna spend over $200, get the Twenty6's, they're plenty burly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KRob
    Agreed. These look like they'd be worth trying. The do have the old style allen head pins that don't go clear through the pedal but other than that they look the biz. Good color options too.
    Great size, weight and price - nice find. Too bad about the pins - I already wrote off that design as being incompatible with my riding style and rocky terrain.
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    I don't see why the twenty6 pre-runners weren't in this? They are THE best flat I have ever run, not to mention some pros are switching to them. I have an identical colored pair to the set on the Litespeed above. they are awesome flats...

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    @KRob: You need to avoid any pedals with shims or black plastic washers. A lot of the thin pedals have them on the inside of the pedal, closest to the spindle. Atomlab Trailkings were one of the, if not the original thin platform pedal, still has the best looks of them all, but they used that sleeve type washer/bearing that just disintegrated and developed play. Not a problem if you rebuild it with the small parts, but it does cause owners to ***** and moan - same construction on the Eggbeater pedals pre-2011 models, and you can see the results of that. Rebuild once a season isn't unexpected to racers. Since you ask for durability and reliability anti-service, a pedal with big sealed cartridge bearings is the way to go. Syncros Mental with its quad bearings come to mind, as does the Sunline V1 and even the Easton Flatboy. It's all in my first post as the OP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by illnacord
    @KRob: You need to avoid any pedals with shims or black plastic washers. A lot of the thin pedals have them on the inside of the pedal, closest to the spindle. Atomlab Trailkings were one of the, if not the original thin platform pedal, still has the best looks of them all, but they used that sleeve type washer/bearing that just disintegrated and developed play. Not a problem if you rebuild it with the small parts, but it does cause owners to ***** and moan - same construction on the Eggbeater pedals pre-2011 models, and you can see the results of that. Rebuild once a season isn't unexpected to racers. Since you ask for durability and reliability anti-service, a pedal with big sealed cartridge bearings is the way to go. Syncros Mental with its quad bearings come to mind, as does the Sunline V1 and even the Easton Flatboy. It's all in my first post as the OP.

    Thanks for the heads up. Do the Deity Decoys and Kona Wah Wahs have the same issue (I think they are both Trail King copies)? They are also tops on my list.
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    My WahWahs only held up for 2 months/4-5 rides before developing play, I was pissed. A buddy of mine who does bigger drops and is/rides heavier than I has no play in his pair that he's ridden for way longer, so I'm not sure what the hell to think of em'. It's possible I maybe got a bad batch....

    Would have to agree with IDS on the prerunners being the best I've tried so far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by monkei
    Would have to agree with IDS on the prerunners being the best I've tried so far.
    The one thing I've noticed about the PreRunners, I have two friends who own some, is that some of the tabs that hold the pins have a habit of bending over snapping. Luckily they already have 20 pins a side or something like that.

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    Wellgo B030 in the house. No ride yet, but as a FYI:

    1. these pedals have the Sun/Ringle Zuzu style pins (solid core, thread thru from the bottom) that I think are the most durable set-up. So far so good.
    2. They look and feel a tad small as compared to your basic HT/Deity/Kona square design...I don't know if this will affect riding yet, but the difference is better seen than felt, if you catch my drift.
    3. For $50 delivered, I really can't complain yet. They are not Podiums, for sure. Time will tell if they work well for my rocky terrain, SS riding.

    BTW, has anybody mentioned the VP-59s yet? They look super simple, but seem to have the essential goods (size, sturdy pins, thin). Apparently VP showed some scary looking pedals at NAHBS this year.
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    Just got vp pedals yesterday and tried them out shortly there after. I like the lower profile and light weight of the pedal. They grip well, at least as good as my old low pro mags which are still in great shape after a year with very minimal play. I need more time to find out how reliable the vp's are but so far I like them. For 60 bucks they seem like a good bang for the buck. Only thing I don't like is the older style pins they use.



    A lot thinner than the low pro mags! I was surpised at the size difference.

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    Idea! Syncros Crux - brother of the Mental pedal

    @monstertiki: thanks for sharing. You'll notice the platform height difference immediately although I would say the old pedal pin layout is equal or better than your new pedals.

    Anyone using the Syncros Crux pedals? They're 6061, lower profile than the Mental's, 4 bearings each pedal, concave, 428g pair.

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    I don't know. They look like they might be pretty sweet. With the rocky trails in SoCal, my pedals look shredded pretty much right away anyway, so I have no problem with the unpolished appearance.

    I particularly like the attention to bearings and free spin. I've got a pair of the neon green 2011 prerunners, and as nice as the platform is, they don't spin very easily. Great for dirt jumps, I suppose, but not so much for the 4700' of climbing it takes to summit Mt. Wilson out of my front door.

    (My current theory is that bearing/bushing/seal drag makes the pedal more likely to roll under the foot when climbing steep, technical trails.)

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    Just an update on my vp-001's... THEY FAWKING SUCK!... The grip is good, thin, and they are light but thats all they got going for them. I raced the local super D this weekend. Upon finishing the race I had a super bad cramp in my calf so I jumped off my bike and let it fall while I stretched my calf out. After I recovered I picked up the bike and noticed the pedal on the side I dropped it on was dented in on the top and bottom of the hole that gives you access to the axle on the outside edge of the pedal. I figured no big deal, I dropped it and that part is thin so thats my bad.

    Today I did the DH race, on the way down I clipped a rock, nothing I haven't done before as the spitfire has a pretty low bottom bracket so it happens now and than. While I was pedaling I felt something weird about the pedal as I continued down the course. Keep in mind I wasn't catching big airs or doing bigger drops (nothing over three feet). When I got to the end and had a chance to stop and check out the pedal this was the result of a minor pedal strike.




    I would not recommend this pedal at all on a mountain bike, bmx bike, or any bike for that matter. The outter edge of the pedal is too fragile. I have hit rocks with my low pro mags, tioga mx, and wellgo b-67's. Sure they get scuffed up a bit but not damaged like these did.
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    Idea! Flypaper Pedal

    @ monstertiki, sorry to hear. VP001s not a good deal at $60, or at $20 for that matter. Here's a quote from MTBR member, NWS: There are plenty of half-baked ideas that make it all the way to retail, so the customers end up doing all of the product testing. If a failed product just meant I had to rip-and-replace, it wouldn't be a big deal, but if a pedal fails at the wrong moment it will produce a trip to the hospital.

    While we're talking about VP, let's post a prototype pedal, VP Free Rider, seen at '11 NAHBS that is clearly inspired by the 2007 "Flypaper pedal" (MTBR member, Bike Doc). The problem with Flypaper was the prerequisite to use modified cranks re: Momentum Bicycle, see the huge interface section at the crankarm and pedal spindle. VP took care of that handicap, but from monstertiki's post above, will VP copy and undercut the original only to leave the customers to product test? Saving a few bucks for a generic copy is actually more expensive in the end.

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    Quote Originally Posted by albeant
    I've got a pair of the neon green 2011 prerunners, and as nice as the platform is, they don't spin very easily. Great for dirt jumps, I suppose, but not so much for the 4700' of climbing it takes to summit Mt. Wilson out of my front door.

    (My current theory is that bearing/bushing/seal drag makes the pedal more likely to roll under the foot when climbing steep, technical trails.)
    Let me know if you figure out a solution for a little better freespin on the prerunners. Probably my only gripe with 'em, I've learnde to deal with it on the climbs.

    On a side note, they perform awesome in the wet!! Spent all day today in the rain and mud going though the soupy to running creeks.

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    Beta-testers of the world unite. Stop paying manufacturers for the privilege of doing their product testing for them.

    Shocking amount of products being thrown out there without any apparent real-world testing behind them. I wouldn't exactly trust VP to come up with a solution to a very difficult equation (in the form of a pedal with no through-axle), when they can't even get their basic pedal right.

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    im looking forward to testing the new pedal trend

    deity and Nukeproof are bringing HT copies to the table.. in shape at least, but with nylon/plastic bodies..

    deity quotes replacement bodies for theirs to be 9 bucks.

    and metal pins.. at around 45 bucks for a set of pedals, its worth a go

    dont get me wrong, i would love a set of podiums, or twenty6s but if the cheap nylon ones work.. im all over those

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    Quote Originally Posted by illnacord
    While we're talking about VP, let's post a prototype pedal, VP Free Rider
    The flypaper had the spindle as part of the pedal body with the bearings mounted in the crank. That just looks like a normal pedal with half as many bearings. I wouldn't trust it as far as I could throw it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fix the Spade
    ...I wouldn't trust it as far as I could throw it.
    It would however fly quite well if you did, given its shape.
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    That VP freerider looks amazing if it would work.

    Anyone got any more info, wouldn't mind beta testing those?
    Why would I care about 150g of bike weight, I just ate 400g of cookies while reading this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by illnacord
    @monstertiki: thanks for sharing. You'll notice the platform height difference immediately although I would say the old pedal pin layout is equal or better than your new pedals.

    Anyone using the Syncros Crux pedals? They're 6061, lower profile than the Mental's, 4 bearings each pedal, concave, 428g pair.

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    Like the looks of this one.... but it's getting pricey at $145-169.

    I don't smash pedals much (I've been running the same pair of CB acids on my FR bike for 2 years without issue) so maybe the VP would be OK?

    Are platform pedals more exposed/susceptible to rocks than clipless?
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    I ruined those VP pedals in less than a week, riding downhill mind-you. One completely deformed around a rock. That section outside of the axle support folded on both. No good. Got them on eBay for ~$40 IIRC, still not worth it. They might suffice for trail riding, but not DH in my experience. Just a heads up.
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    You don't even need to hit a rock with the vp 001 pedals. I dropped my bike and the hole that leads to the pedal axle was dented pretty good. They are junk.

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    I didn't see the Dark Cycles Arachnids posted:



    I love these pedals! if anything, they are pretty unique looking. But they do work well.

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    +1 on the arachnids! I have a set on my Banshee. light, low profile, grip, stand out in the crowd.

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    I also have a pair of Arachnids. Been running them for 3 years with no issues. They do use the old style grub screw, but this can be changed to one of the new style socket head pins.

    michael

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    Picked up a couple sets of these on my internet travels...

    look and feel pretty decent at $46 each, looking forward to trying them once the snow goes away.


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    Wow, those Arachnids look cool, how much??

    Nobody has mentioned the speedplay drilliums, I used em' for a while until i wanted something a lil' thinner and got the wah-wahs. They were some pretty awesome pedals with a super fat platform area. Ended up givin' em' to a buddy.

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