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    Ah ha, thanks for that informative reply. That's definitely something I haven't seen before in a platform pedal. That's a pretty interesting way to keep the pedal thin and strong right there without having an exposed axle or axle nut. I'll have to hand it to Speshy for an inovative approach on that one, although I would like to see it in hand to take a closer look.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trojans1993 View Post
    although I would like to see it in hand to take a closer look.
    That, or a schematic.
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    @ashas: As the OP of this thread, I will have a review of the Syntace NUMBERNINE platform pedals published here on MTBR in January 2013.
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    Quote Originally Posted by illnacord View Post
    @ashas: As the OP of this thread, I will have a review of the Syntace NUMBERNINE platform pedals published here on MTBR in January 2013.
    cool! looking forward to it.

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    I've been on Candy Components pedals for about 1-2 years and love them. Looking forward to trying out the new crampon ultimates.

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    I'm thinking about switching from clipless to platform. I have downloaded and read most of the Flat Pedal Revolution Manifesto found here:

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    I'm considering this pedal/shoe combination that's at about my maximum budget.



    What do you think?

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    I'd pass on the Impacts and get Freeriders. Impacts are pretty bulky and don't breathe well. They're heavy, overbuilt downhill shoes. The Freeriders are still fairly stout but much lighter and flexible. They both stick like glitter to a sweater so you won't be giving anything up in terms of grip. There's a sale on Freeriders for $50 at competitive cyclist.

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    Thanks DFYFZX,

    I hear what you are saying and will look into Freeriders. I'm not hard core DH by any means but white is definitely off my list. What do you think about the Baron? (Not really into colors other than black, but my bike is red so it could work I guess.



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    I have Impact 2 Hi-Tops.
    yes, definitely bulky and overkill-y.

    it takes couple of rides to even realize where your feet are - but I love them. hi tops hug your ankle completely and it's even easier to pedal uphill because your feet are always straight. you really can not bend your feet in any direction other than straight.

    it can get a bit warm as well, of course, but when you're bombing down you don't feel that at all - you're trying to stay alive going at max speed as you can possibly get

    didn't try Freeriders, but I can definitely recommend Impact if you're willing to accept the shoe's terms and have very firm sole all the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DirtyHank View Post
    What do you think about the Baron? (Not really into colors other than black, but my bike is red so it could work I guess.
    I've got a pair of purple Freeriders that are only about a year old so I don't need another but I couldn't pass up the $59 Red Baron's at Chainlove/Dept of Goods. I'll let 'em sit on a shelf until the purple pair wears out.

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    Hank, don't know anything about the Baron but they look less "hardcore" than the Impacts to me. Maybe between the Freerider and Impact? For $60 I'd say they're definitely worth a try

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    Quote Originally Posted by big0mike View Post
    I've got a pair of purple Freeriders that are only about a year old so I don't need another but I couldn't pass up the $59 Red Baron's at Chainlove/Dept of Goods. I'll let 'em sit on a shelf until the purple pair wears out.
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    Hank, don't know anything about the Baron but they look less "hardcore" than the Impacts to me. Maybe between the Freerider and Impact? For $60 I'd say they're definitely worth a try
    Yea, I couldn't pass them up especially since I'm not sure about my transition from clipless to platforms. As long as I don't run into any gay bears I guess I'll be o,k. with red shoes.

    UPS says the shoes should be here Tuesday. Price Point is ten miles from my house. Both these pedals are $44.98 but I canít make up my mind. Iím leaning towards the B131ís but the 132ís look nice too. Iíd say 50 bucks is my price range and am open to suggestions especially based on personal experience.





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    Hey Hank, I think in that price range those both are pretty nice, but make sure you can replace those pins with something a little less shin friendly. I have not ridden either of these but from the pics it looks like they are kind of short and nubby rather than a real pin that will dig into your sole for real solid grip. Just a thought...

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    While they come with what appears to be a pin that looks like a capped hex-nut, I'm thinking it must be the same thread as pins that are really an allen head (or phillips head) set screw available in stainless steel of black steel at any hardware store that has a metric assortment. I kind of like that they are shin-friendly at this point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trojans1993 View Post
    Hey Hank, I think in that price range those both are pretty nice, but make sure you can replace those pins with something a little less shin friendly. I have not ridden either of these but from the pics it looks like they are kind of short and nubby rather than a real pin that will dig into your sole for real solid grip. Just a thought...

    I agree. I recently got a pair of Blackspire Sub4 pedals to replace my Animals. The pins are not super short, but are wider and stainless/chrome and are not sticky on my hikers I use for riding (haven't bought sticky soles yet). The Animals I have are BMX pedals and will stick to hard plastic I bet.

    I brought them yesterday to a downhill/freeride park to try them out and was slipping off of them. Had to trade my buddy for his DMR V8s which have a combination of flat pins and screws. Much more sticky.

    However, he didn;t have a problem on the Blackspires with his 5.10 shoes. If you have sticky shoes those Wellgos won't be a problem.



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    Quote Originally Posted by DirtyHank View Post
    While they come with what appears to be a pin that looks like a capped hex-nut, I'm thinking it must be the same thread as pins that are really an allen head (or phillips head) set screw available in stainless steel of black steel at any hardware store that has a metric assortment. I kind of like that they are shin-friendly at this point.

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    Oddly enough,I think you will find nasty pins are actually better for shins because you rarely slip on pedals with taller sharper pins and proper shoes. My buddy just got some Sub 4s like Hoban's ^^ and they feel way sketchier than the Spanks or Crampons (talk about nasty pins...). I'm sure you a right with the set screw replacement on those so you should be fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoban View Post
    I brought them yesterday to a downhill/freeride park to try them out and was slipping off of them.
    I'm curious. Not planning to do this in this lifetime, but when you see guys bombing down RedBull Rampage for the most part, are they riding clip-less or platforms?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DirtyHank View Post
    I'm curious. Not planning to do this in this lifetime, but when you see guys bombing down RedBull Rampage for the most part, are they riding clip-less or platforms?
    Not sure what your post is for. Mine was comparing two platform pedals, nothing to do with clipless...

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    Quote Originally Posted by DirtyHank View Post
    Yea, I couldn't pass them up especially since I'm not sure about my transition from clipless to platforms. As long as I don't run into any gay bears I guess I'll be o,k. with red shoes.
    Man, if you think red is gay you'd never make it with my crew. I get all kinds of hell about the purple shoes. Red will barely be noticed.

    Plus, if you do run into any gay bears they'll just wanna dance.

    If you do technical riding, up or down, I think you'll find.the transition a good one. Took me a couple weeks.to feel comfortable but I've got no reason to return.

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    Well hahaha at least they are not Pink! There have been a couple of falls that I've wondered if I would have been able to fight had I not been clipped in.

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    Hank, I completely understand being on a budget. For $50, those pedals are both plenty nice, however, you won't get a true sense of what riding flats can actually be like unless you try some REALLY thin Spanks, Crampons, etc. The closer to the pedal axle you are, the better. I know we're talking millimeters here, but you can truly feel a big difference! My Sub4s used to try to rotate out from under my foot a few times a ride and I took a LOT more rock hits with them. Since I got the Crampon Ultimates, rock strikes are all but extinct and grip is just silly

    Again, since this is an experiment for you, I get the concept of a budget. Just be sure to keep in mind that a "proper" set of Crampons, or HT AE01 pedals would make a bigger difference than you think If you can spring an extra $40, these would be eye opening compared to the Wellgos: Bi King 2013 HT AE01 MTB BMX Pedals Black 358G TB16B | eBay

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    Quote Originally Posted by DFYFZX View Post
    Hank, I completely understand being on a budget. For $50, those pedals are both plenty nice, however, you won't get a true sense of what riding flats can actually be like unless you try some REALLY thin Spanks, Crampons, etc. The closer to the pedal axle you are, the better. I know we're talking millimeters here, but you can truly feel a big difference! My Sub4s used to try to rotate out from under my foot a few times a ride and I took a LOT more rock hits with them. Since I got the Crampon Ultimates, rock strikes are all but extinct and grip is just silly

    Again, since this is an experiment for you, I get the concept of a budget. Just be sure to keep in mind that a "proper" set of Crampons, or HT AE01 pedals would make a bigger difference than you think If you can spring an extra $40, these would be eye opening compared to the Wellgos: Bi King 2013 HT AE01 MTB BMX Pedals Black 358G TB16B | eBay
    I would tend to agree with this. I recently tried to go back to flats. I went a little more money and bought the Shimano Saint pedals for $80. I found them wanting to roll under my feet also. Maybe that will go away as I get used to them- not sure. I'm wishing now that I had just gone all in with thinner pedals.

    Now I have a pair of $80 pedals and I'm not sure if it the pedals or running flats that I don't like, so to know for sure I'll have to give these more time and if it doesn't get better, but thinner pedals to know for sure.

    It would have been cheaper to buy the thin ones and if it didn't work sell them to recoup a good portion of the money.
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    Sounds to me like you're pretty sure you really want some higher end ultra thins. My advice is sell your saints before you ding them up and you will get a much better return. Pedals that look used don't tend to bring too much.

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    My .02... Been on Saints for quite a few hours now on least aggressive setting (all pins installed w/ spacers) and Vans and have yet to slip or roll a pedal. Still go clipless for purely xc or cyclocross though. If you wanna flick your Saints...
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    And to top off all the price issues I'd say it's better to go cheaper on pedals than shoes.

    I started my switch back to flats with a set of $50 HT somethings (decoy knockoffs) and a pair of $30 Fox shoes off Chainlove. They worked OK and I got used to flats again fairly quickly. Then started working on some bigger drops and couldn't keep my damn feet on the pedals. Sprung for my 510 Freeriders and couldn't believe the difference they made. Then I eventually got a pair of Spank Spikes and the ride is even better. Not as big a difference moving to the new pedals as the new shoes made, though.

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    Definitely shoes > pedals, but high end pedals are definitely worth the price of admission. Another bonus to high end pedals is resale value and also being able to buy replacement parts. A $50 set of Wellgos is essentially a throw away pair since it will be nearly impossible to get wear parts when needed. A pair of high end pedals is not cheap to buy up front but you can buy rebuild kits for ~$20 so eventually they'll become a good investment if you use them long enough

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    i just got to take my bike for a ride on some local trails with my new DMR vaults pedals. I also use the impact hi tops, the combination is amazing almost feels like my foot is glued to the pedals. once i can get out to highland ill be able to really use and put them to work but on local trails im pretty impressed.
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    ^ Take out the four pins in the middle for more grip.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slimphatty View Post
    ^ Take out the four pins in the middle for more grip.
    Jw how removing pins will increase grip? Wouldn't the pins add grip since the dig into the sole?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TwoTone View Post
    I would tend to agree with this. I recently tried to go back to flats. I went a little more money and bought the Shimano Saint pedals for $80. I found them wanting to roll under my feet also. Maybe that will go away as I get used to them- not sure. I'm wishing now that I had just gone all in with thinner pedals. Now I have a pair of $80 pedals and I'm not sure if it the pedals or running flats that I don't like, so to know for sure I'll have to give these more time and if it doesn't get better, but thinner pedals to know for sure. It would have been cheaper to buy the thin ones and if it didn't work sell them to recoup a good portion of the money.
    Quote Originally Posted by big0mike View Post
    I started my switch back to flats with a set of $50 HT somethings (decoy knockoffs) and a pair of $30 Fox shoes off Chainlove. They worked OK and I got used to flats again fairly quickly. Then started working on some bigger drops and couldn't keep my damn feet on the pedals. Sprung for my 510 Freeriders and couldn't believe the difference they made. Then I eventually got a pair of Spank Spikes and the ride is even better. Not as big a difference moving to the new pedals as the new shoes made, though.
    Quote Originally Posted by DFYFZX View Post
    Definitely shoes > pedals, but high end pedals are definitely worth the price of admission. Another bonus to high end pedals is resale value and also being able to buy replacement parts. A $50 set of Wellgos is essentially a throw away pair since it will be nearly impossible to get wear parts when needed. A pair of high end pedals is not cheap to buy up front but you can buy rebuild kits for ~$20 so eventually they'll become a good investment if you use them long enough


    What you guys are saying makes total sense to me. I take real good care of my gear and like everyone else donít like doing things twice. Though they may get scuffed- up looking, at my level of riding these should last some years. I donít want to be wishing I went with thinner pedals, donít want to go the halfway route ($50 somethings) and I like the idea that the Spikes are re-buildable, so Iím sold.



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    Iíll have to pay more attention to see which riders are riding freefoot or trapped into their machines. Itís obvious platforms are Sam Hills choice


    Thanks for the advice guys and I'll get back to this thread after my first ride

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    One word of advice about the thin pedals is a lot of them utilize a single bearing on the spindle, with a one or a few DU bushings as well. Thicker pedals will generally use all bearings as opposed to the DU bushings, but this is how most pedals' achieve a thinner profile - DU bushings. The concern is that DU bushings wear faster and you may experience play on the spindle quicker. (My HT AE01's did this within a few hours of riding) Few thin pedal designs do use bearings throughout (Po1nt One's do)

    Just wanted to make you aware of this. If the DU bushings are user-serviceable not a big deal to just swap out for new ones as necessary, but if you have to send the pedals out for service, that could kinda suck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bad andy View Post
    One word of advice about the thin pedals is a lot of them utilize a single bearing on the spindle, with a one or a few DU bushings as well. Thicker pedals will generally use all bearings as opposed to the DU bushings, but this is how most pedals' achieve a thinner profile - DU bushings. The concern is that DU bushings wear faster and you may experience play on the spindle quicker. (My HT AE01's did this within a few hours of riding) Few thin pedal designs do use bearings throughout (Po1nt One's do)

    Just wanted to make you aware of this. If the DU bushings are user-serviceable not a big deal to just swap out for new ones as necessary, but if you have to send the pedals out for service, that could kinda suck.
    Andy, thanks for the heads up.

    According to this link:
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    it appears that it is a simple enough rebuild that can easily be done by anyone that can turn a hex-key. The complete kit (including new spindles) is $40 which unless they got bent or made out of lead I could not see ever needing replacement. Although both the inboard and outboard bearings are sealed-type, there is an "IGUS" bushing (what is IGUS, what is "DU") used on the outboard bearing. I'm not sure Spike sells this by itself as I can see that this could be the part requiring regular replacement. (one season? two season?)





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    DirtyHank,

    because they undergo metal fatigue, it's a good idea to replace spindles once in a while even if they look intact. A spindle can also be bent, ground down with grit particles, or rusted.

    as for the IGUS vs DU difference, DU bushings are made of metal base with low-friction coating and are usually split and have cylindrical shape, whereas IGUS are full-polymer, not split and can have more complex (mushroom-like) shapes enabling them to carry some axial load.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hybridzeg8 View Post
    Jw how removing pins will increase grip? Wouldn't the pins add grip since the dig into the sole?
    It'll create a more concave platform so that the longer pins dig into your shoes more.

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    Good job!

    ^^^ will try thanks for the suggestion

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    You'll love the Spanks for sure.

    I got my Red Baron shoes the other day and at first inspection I'd say they are a tad beefier than my Freeriders. I can't wait until the Freeriders wear out so I can give the new kicks a spin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by J. Random Psycho View Post
    DirtyHank,

    because they undergo metal fatigue, it's a good idea to replace spindles once in a while even if they look intact. A spindle can also be bent, ground down with grit particles, or rusted.

    Maybe someone could bend a spindle through a big impact, but I doubt that fatigue is a big deal.

    Loads of riders have been riding multi-years on the same set of pedals (one of my sets is 8 years old). I know a fair number of people who have circumnavigated the globe on the same set of usually cheap pedals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by womble View Post
    Maybe someone could bend a spindle through a big impact, but I doubt that fatigue is a big deal.

    Loads of riders have been riding multi-years on the same set of pedals (one of my sets is 8 years old). I know a fair number of people who have circumnavigated the globe on the same set of usually cheap pedals.
    I should have mentioned that most cases of those axle failures that I pointed out (and that I had personal experience with) happened with modern thin pedals. The thinner the axle, the more significant are the effects of stress risers in it (from both shape and fluctuations in metal quality), and the more likey it is to fail from fatigue.

    With titanium axles this is even more pronounced, even if you're well within their staied weight limit.


    Edit: moreover, most of those cases happened on bikes where stand and mash is the dominant type of pedaling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by big0mike View Post
    You'll love the Spanks for sure. I got my Red Baron shoes the other day and at first inspection I'd say they are a tad beefier than my Freeriders. I can't wait until the Freeriders wear out so I can give the new kicks a spin.
    I like them better than I thought I would. They are more of a brick red than how the internet depicts them as "fire engine" red. I've been wanting a pair of sneakers ever since High School and never found any I liked these are real comfortable. You should wear yours around the house to break them in a little.

    Hank

    P.S. My Spanks are out for delivery UPS. I think they got held up but the high winds we had here in California yesterday. Hope tomorrow is a good riding day (been raining a lot lately)

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    I have been wearing vans while riding for a long time, how do the red baron / other freeride shoes compare to vans? they look pretty similar to me. Rubber stickier maybe?

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    Quote Originally Posted by keepbalanced View Post
    I have been wearing vans while riding for a long time, how do the red baron / other freeride shoes compare to vans? they look pretty similar to me. Rubber stickier maybe?
    The 5.10 Impacts I have leave the Vans back in the '80s BMX memories.
    I was very surprised at the vast improvement the 5.10 shoes are over Vans.

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    What is different about them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by keepbalanced View Post
    What is different about them?
    Here ya go,

    For one, they have a great assortment!



    They've got sole!


    Probably the rubber compound and the pattern.


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    Quote Originally Posted by DirtyHank View Post
    For one, they have a great assortment!
    Too bad they are all bulky and goofy looking as hell (same goes for Teva Links). I'm already hitting the chainstays sometimes with my size 12 Vans with run on the narrow side. I can't imagine riding with these joints. But I'm looking to try something new as I go through 2-3 pairs a season of Vans. The Point1 Podium just shred the waffle soles like no other. Grip is good, but the shoe could be stiffer a tad. Plus I'm so used to low cut shoes, well below the ankles like most Vans.

    The Shimano AM41 is somewhat passable to me in the looks department, I'm might try those this season.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eurospek View Post
    Too bad they are all bulky and goofy looking as hell (same goes for Teva Links). I'm already hitting the chainstays sometimes with my size 12 Vans with run on the narrow side. I can't imagine riding with these joints. But I'm looking to try something new as I go through 2-3 pairs a season of Vans. The Point1 Podium just shred the waffle soles like no other. Grip is good, but the shoe could be stiffer a tad. Plus I'm so used to low cut shoes, well below the ankles like most Vans.

    The Shimano AM41 is somewhat passable to me in the looks department, I'm might try those this season.
    I'm sure that's not all they got. I don't think my Red Barons are goofy looking but then again I may just be a goof.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eurospek View Post
    Too bad they are all bulky and goofy looking as hell (same goes for Teva Links). I'm already hitting the chainstays sometimes with my size 12 Vans with run on the narrow side. I can't imagine riding with these joints. But I'm looking to try something new as I go through 2-3 pairs a season of Vans. The Point1 Podium just shred the waffle soles like no other. Grip is good, but the shoe could be stiffer a tad. Plus I'm so used to low cut shoes, well below the ankles like most Vans.

    The Shimano AM41 is somewhat passable to me in the looks department, I'm might try those this season.
    That is a pretty incredible attrition rate. This is what my Impacts look like after three seasons on Rallyes, Predators and Crampon Ultimates. They'll get replaced this year, but they've held up really well.

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    You might consider Sombrio. Their shoes are uncharacteristically subdued looking, and are narrower than 5.10s. I bought a pair of Loams for cheap from Backcountry. Fit is pretty true to size.
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    Wow, is there a secret to lengthening their service life? Mine look like that after a month riding NS Aerials.
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    Quote Originally Posted by evasive View Post
    That is a pretty incredible attrition rate. This is what my Impacts look like after three seasons on Rallyes, Predators and Crampon Ultimates. They'll get replaced this year, but they've held up really well.

    You might consider Sombrio. Their shoes are uncharacteristically subdued looking, and are narrower than 5.10s. I bought a pair of Loams for cheap from Backcountry. Fit is pretty true to size.
    Man, I wish I could snap a pic of my most recent Van Era/Authentics that I threw out not too long ago. That pair was literally missing chunks out of the gum waffle sole where it was shredded off by the long pins on the Podiums. Not worn away like your pic shows, I could literally poke the bottom of the insoles in that shoe with my finger.

    The grip is good when they are new, but once the pins eat a groove into the waffle sole, they quickly go downhill afterwards. Plus not the stiffest soles around, and luckily not too many rock strikes on my trails as hitting something hard kinda hurts with the canvas uppers. And I'm used to the fit of them as Vans Authentics are my go to shoe off the bike as well.

    This season I want to try something new: better grip, durability, stiffer soles, with a little more ankle protection as well (but they gotta look good, low key, and not bulky).

    I've been reading stellar reviews about the 5.10 soles, but like I said, I just can't commit myself to buying a pair. They already look bulky in regular sizes, I can only imagine them in my size, especially being used to narrower shoes.

    Ended up buying a pair of Shimano AM41 today from Backcountry for $60, been eying them for a while now (especially when they had a full spread of sizes for the same price lol) and only had a 46 in stock today, or super small 38-41. Hopefully they will fit me, size is equivalent to a US 11.5, if not they are going back and the search will continue.
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    eurospek,
    I'm experiencing the same wear patterns with my 5-10s. Bought a Shimano AM40 from the same reasoning (also wanted lace flaps), but they are now worn like that too. Straitline AMP stock pins done them in.

    I decided to go with less aggressive aluminum pins instead. So far so good, but it's been only below freezing rides for now, 5-10 soles get harder at these temperatures and there's no summer-like grip with any kind of pins.
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