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    Quote Originally Posted by monstertiki
    Where did you get your sub-4's? I found some at goose creek cycles online for $85 shipped. Was gonna get them but have never ordered from them. They look great for the price.

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    ride-this.com has em for $74... Not sure about availability though... A steal at that price b/c they are a sweet set of pedals that weigh only 350g...
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    soooo....calling all the pedal gurus (addicts...):

    -I notice that the majority of pedals seems to have a shape where the platform curves away from the crank arms (a la Podium). I think this might bother me - the Wahwahs I run now are the opposite, the platform curves back in from the spindle towards the cranks, giving you more support for the inside of the foot as you move them in close to the crank arm (which I happen to like to do). So the question is: do any of you notice this/are you bothered by it?

    -most pedals do not have pins under the ball of the foot. Again, that is something that I think would bother me - but I don't know. Maybe with a good pin pattern around the edges, the grip is enough? My Wahwahs have 2 pins in the middle...I can't say for sure if it's better, but I do know that even in sticky mud, they work well.

    Any input on these 2 points? I am looking at those new DMRs (the Vault), they look like they should be good pedals, but because of the 2 points I listed above, I hesitate...and they are an expensive experiment, so I don't want to just throw myself into it...
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    I just ordered a pair of Podium's for my new build, and I'm looking forward to trying them out.

    My go to pedal for the past year on all my bikes has been the Answer FR Rove:


    Similar in platform shape to your Kona pedals, except the platform comes out at a 90 degree from the spindle instead of angling back toward the crank arm.

    In my experience, as someone who dabs a lot or corners moto style, I sometimes find myself hitting my heel on the crank arms as I'm replacing my feet and trying to find the "sweet spot" on the platform. In my opinion, the Podiums with their platform angled away from the crank a bit will give your feet a bit more clearance between the platform and crank arm, making it less likely you will be stepping on the cranks when you pull your feet back on.

    As far as pins go, it is all personal preference. If you do ride with your feet regularly off the pedals, there is such a thing as too much grip. I've never had any problems with slipping a pedal on my Rove's and do not think it will be a problem with the Podium. As an alternative, Point 1 Racing does offer some longer pins for the Podium. I ordered a set from them last week.

    If you haven't already, read this review of the Podium on pinkbike.com:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iceman2058
    -I notice that the majority of pedals seems to have a shape where the platform curves away from the crank arms (a la Podium). I think this might bother me - the Wahwahs I run now are the opposite, the platform curves back in from the spindle towards the cranks, giving you more support for the inside of the foot as you move them in close to the crank arm (which I happen to like to do). So the question is: do any of you notice this/are you bothered by it?
    The difference is that the Kona has exposed spindle before it enters the pedal body, whereas the Podium does not, same as on my prerunners. So on those style pedals you don't stand on the platform right next to the crankarm or you'll rub your shoes on the crankarm/ chainstay. For me it took a bit to get used to, but wasn't a big deal.
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    Been pretty happy with my new used Twenty6 prerunners, i need to play around with pins a bit for better grip on the real bumpy DH sheeit.

    They're super light, and deflect off stuff well.

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    Iceman, one of my bikes has the older Deity pedals that cut back towards the cranks and one bike has the new style which removed that bit of material to save weight. I thought it would be an issue but it has not been one at all. Love the pedals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jason B.
    Iceman, one of my bikes has the older Deity pedals that cut back towards the cranks and one bike has the new style which removed that bit of material to save weight. I thought it would be an issue but it has not been one at all. Love the pedals.
    Thanks man. That was my question exactly. Looks like I'll have to succumb to my acute case of pedal upgradeitis then... (which is really quite silly since I love my Wahwahs...but what'r you gunna do...the only way to cure blingitis is to buy something...).

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    Anybody else on the Specialized Lo Pro 2's???

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    All I care about is durability. I hate when a pedals develops play after a few rides. Really don't want to be rebuilding a pedal every few weeks because it looks cool and is super thin. My question is which pedal gives the most longevity? I do like the idea of the Sunline V-1 with sealed ball and needle bearing instead of du.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iceman2058
    -most pedals do not have pins under the ball of the foot. Again, that is something that I think would bother me - but I don't know. Maybe with a good pin pattern around the edges, the grip is enough? My Wahwahs have 2 pins in the middle...I can't say for sure if it's better, but I do know that even in sticky mud, they work well.
    With my limited experience (snow riding) I'm already pretty certain that I like my flats with pins under the ball of the foot a lot more than my more blingy pedals that do not have pins there. My pedals without those pins are Superstar Nanos and yes they have good grip but not in the middle.

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    spank spike pedals

    @coopie, yeah, valid points.DU bushings have their place but are something to avoid for majority of riders.

    @jasevr4, the Spank Spikes are promising. The axle interface without the wrench flats is a direct copy of the Podium1's. No, not influenced or inspired, straight up copied. The platform is the former, and the price is quoted at 120= which is closer to the real deal than a copy. There is an update, with a single pin near the center spindle.This was a suggestion made by users of the newer styled flats that are posted in the OP's offerings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iceman2058
    -most pedals do not have pins under the ball of the foot.
    Dunno if it matters, but it seemed suspicious to me, too.
    I ordered a set of VP-001s to find out.
    Might have them in time for the weekend...

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    Quote Originally Posted by NWS
    Dunno if it matters, but it seemed suspicious to me, too.
    I ordered a set of VP-001s to find out.
    Might have them in time for the weekend...

    http://www.universalcycles.com/shopp...s.php?id=38284
    Those pedals look to good to be true for 60 bucks. 13mm thickness, 360 grams, pins everywhere. Let us know how they work for you once you get to try them out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by monstertiki
    Those pedals look to good to be true for 60 bucks. 13mm thickness, 360 grams, pins everywhere. Let us know how they work for you once you get to try them out.
    Agreed. These look like they'd be worth trying. The do have the old style allen head pins that don't go clear through the pedal but other than that they look the biz. Good color options too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by illnacord
    The axle interface without the wrench flats is a direct copy of the Podium1's. No, not influenced or inspired, straight up copied.
    Podiums haven't been out long enough to claim to be the first with that axle design. I have plenty of CB pedals with the same type axle.
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    Dangit - now I don't know which to get. The sub-4s look sweet but those VP-001s look mighty tasty too.

    Gonna finally bite the bullet and go the platform route as I think once I am used to them (been clipless for a long time) I think I will like the freedom on my DH bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drewp29
    Dangit - now I don't know which to get. The sub-4s look sweet but those VP-001s look mighty tasty too.

    Gonna finally bite the bullet and go the platform route as I think once I am used to them (been clipless for a long time) I think I will like the freedom on my DH bike.
    I was about to pull the trigger on the sub4 but then saw this and got squeamish. I just ordered Wellgo b030 pedals instead for $53 shipped. We'll see how they perform.
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    Quote Originally Posted by buddhak
    I was about to pull the trigger on the sub4 but then saw this and got squeamish. I just ordered Wellgo b030 pedals instead for $53 shipped. We'll see how they perform.

    I've been looking at the Sub4s too, and appreciate the post/info/alternative Buddhak. I had been kind of looking for Sub4-like alternatives for comparison purposes, so appreciate the Wellgo option. Tx.

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    So how fast does Straitlines develop play in normal situations? I dont do 50 foot gap jumps, just an average dh rider. Sick of play developing in my pedals. Two sets of 50/50 both x and xx, two sets of Funn Slojams loose balls, atomlabs, and old Easton Cullies. The CB 50/50 xx was the worest so far had so much play after one ride thought my bike was falling apart. On my second warranty replacement.

    I'm either getting a set of Straitlines (you get what you pay for) Or Sunline V-1's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coopie
    All I care about is durability. I hate when a pedals develops play after a few rides. Really don't want to be rebuilding a pedal every few weeks because it looks cool and is super thin. My question is which pedal gives the most longevity? I do like the idea of the Sunline V-1 with sealed ball and needle bearing instead of du.
    To my knowledge, Burgtec MK3's are the only pedals with a 3 year warranty on the spindle and body. That should matter if you are looking for durability. Smash them on a rock, no problem. You'll probably break the rock. If you smash anything else on a rock, well, tough luck. I bought a couple sets of Burgtecs and love them. On my DJ (overkill) and DH bike.
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    Those burgtec pedals are expensive. CRC $214. Good reviews I have to say, might have to work a little harder and save.

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    Sheeeit, if you're gonna spend over $200, get the Twenty6's, they're plenty burly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KRob
    Agreed. These look like they'd be worth trying. The do have the old style allen head pins that don't go clear through the pedal but other than that they look the biz. Good color options too.
    Great size, weight and price - nice find. Too bad about the pins - I already wrote off that design as being incompatible with my riding style and rocky terrain.
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    I don't see why the twenty6 pre-runners weren't in this? They are THE best flat I have ever run, not to mention some pros are switching to them. I have an identical colored pair to the set on the Litespeed above. they are awesome flats...

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    @KRob: You need to avoid any pedals with shims or black plastic washers. A lot of the thin pedals have them on the inside of the pedal, closest to the spindle. Atomlab Trailkings were one of the, if not the original thin platform pedal, still has the best looks of them all, but they used that sleeve type washer/bearing that just disintegrated and developed play. Not a problem if you rebuild it with the small parts, but it does cause owners to ***** and moan - same construction on the Eggbeater pedals pre-2011 models, and you can see the results of that. Rebuild once a season isn't unexpected to racers. Since you ask for durability and reliability anti-service, a pedal with big sealed cartridge bearings is the way to go. Syncros Mental with its quad bearings come to mind, as does the Sunline V1 and even the Easton Flatboy. It's all in my first post as the OP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by illnacord
    @KRob: You need to avoid any pedals with shims or black plastic washers. A lot of the thin pedals have them on the inside of the pedal, closest to the spindle. Atomlab Trailkings were one of the, if not the original thin platform pedal, still has the best looks of them all, but they used that sleeve type washer/bearing that just disintegrated and developed play. Not a problem if you rebuild it with the small parts, but it does cause owners to ***** and moan - same construction on the Eggbeater pedals pre-2011 models, and you can see the results of that. Rebuild once a season isn't unexpected to racers. Since you ask for durability and reliability anti-service, a pedal with big sealed cartridge bearings is the way to go. Syncros Mental with its quad bearings come to mind, as does the Sunline V1 and even the Easton Flatboy. It's all in my first post as the OP.

    Thanks for the heads up. Do the Deity Decoys and Kona Wah Wahs have the same issue (I think they are both Trail King copies)? They are also tops on my list.
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    My WahWahs only held up for 2 months/4-5 rides before developing play, I was pissed. A buddy of mine who does bigger drops and is/rides heavier than I has no play in his pair that he's ridden for way longer, so I'm not sure what the hell to think of em'. It's possible I maybe got a bad batch....

    Would have to agree with IDS on the prerunners being the best I've tried so far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by monkei
    Would have to agree with IDS on the prerunners being the best I've tried so far.
    The one thing I've noticed about the PreRunners, I have two friends who own some, is that some of the tabs that hold the pins have a habit of bending over snapping. Luckily they already have 20 pins a side or something like that.

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    Wellgo B030 in the house. No ride yet, but as a FYI:

    1. these pedals have the Sun/Ringle Zuzu style pins (solid core, thread thru from the bottom) that I think are the most durable set-up. So far so good.
    2. They look and feel a tad small as compared to your basic HT/Deity/Kona square design...I don't know if this will affect riding yet, but the difference is better seen than felt, if you catch my drift.
    3. For $50 delivered, I really can't complain yet. They are not Podiums, for sure. Time will tell if they work well for my rocky terrain, SS riding.

    BTW, has anybody mentioned the VP-59s yet? They look super simple, but seem to have the essential goods (size, sturdy pins, thin). Apparently VP showed some scary looking pedals at NAHBS this year.
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    Just got vp pedals yesterday and tried them out shortly there after. I like the lower profile and light weight of the pedal. They grip well, at least as good as my old low pro mags which are still in great shape after a year with very minimal play. I need more time to find out how reliable the vp's are but so far I like them. For 60 bucks they seem like a good bang for the buck. Only thing I don't like is the older style pins they use.



    A lot thinner than the low pro mags! I was surpised at the size difference.

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    Idea! Syncros Crux - brother of the Mental pedal

    @monstertiki: thanks for sharing. You'll notice the platform height difference immediately although I would say the old pedal pin layout is equal or better than your new pedals.

    Anyone using the Syncros Crux pedals? They're 6061, lower profile than the Mental's, 4 bearings each pedal, concave, 428g pair.

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    I don't know. They look like they might be pretty sweet. With the rocky trails in SoCal, my pedals look shredded pretty much right away anyway, so I have no problem with the unpolished appearance.

    I particularly like the attention to bearings and free spin. I've got a pair of the neon green 2011 prerunners, and as nice as the platform is, they don't spin very easily. Great for dirt jumps, I suppose, but not so much for the 4700' of climbing it takes to summit Mt. Wilson out of my front door.

    (My current theory is that bearing/bushing/seal drag makes the pedal more likely to roll under the foot when climbing steep, technical trails.)

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    Just an update on my vp-001's... THEY FAWKING SUCK!... The grip is good, thin, and they are light but thats all they got going for them. I raced the local super D this weekend. Upon finishing the race I had a super bad cramp in my calf so I jumped off my bike and let it fall while I stretched my calf out. After I recovered I picked up the bike and noticed the pedal on the side I dropped it on was dented in on the top and bottom of the hole that gives you access to the axle on the outside edge of the pedal. I figured no big deal, I dropped it and that part is thin so thats my bad.

    Today I did the DH race, on the way down I clipped a rock, nothing I haven't done before as the spitfire has a pretty low bottom bracket so it happens now and than. While I was pedaling I felt something weird about the pedal as I continued down the course. Keep in mind I wasn't catching big airs or doing bigger drops (nothing over three feet). When I got to the end and had a chance to stop and check out the pedal this was the result of a minor pedal strike.




    I would not recommend this pedal at all on a mountain bike, bmx bike, or any bike for that matter. The outter edge of the pedal is too fragile. I have hit rocks with my low pro mags, tioga mx, and wellgo b-67's. Sure they get scuffed up a bit but not damaged like these did.
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    Idea! Flypaper Pedal

    @ monstertiki, sorry to hear. VP001s not a good deal at $60, or at $20 for that matter. Here's a quote from MTBR member, NWS: There are plenty of half-baked ideas that make it all the way to retail, so the customers end up doing all of the product testing. If a failed product just meant I had to rip-and-replace, it wouldn't be a big deal, but if a pedal fails at the wrong moment it will produce a trip to the hospital.

    While we're talking about VP, let's post a prototype pedal, VP Free Rider, seen at '11 NAHBS that is clearly inspired by the 2007 "Flypaper pedal" (MTBR member, Bike Doc). The problem with Flypaper was the prerequisite to use modified cranks re: Momentum Bicycle, see the huge interface section at the crankarm and pedal spindle. VP took care of that handicap, but from monstertiki's post above, will VP copy and undercut the original only to leave the customers to product test? Saving a few bucks for a generic copy is actually more expensive in the end.

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    Quote Originally Posted by albeant
    I've got a pair of the neon green 2011 prerunners, and as nice as the platform is, they don't spin very easily. Great for dirt jumps, I suppose, but not so much for the 4700' of climbing it takes to summit Mt. Wilson out of my front door.

    (My current theory is that bearing/bushing/seal drag makes the pedal more likely to roll under the foot when climbing steep, technical trails.)
    Let me know if you figure out a solution for a little better freespin on the prerunners. Probably my only gripe with 'em, I've learnde to deal with it on the climbs.

    On a side note, they perform awesome in the wet!! Spent all day today in the rain and mud going though the soupy to running creeks.

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    Beta-testers of the world unite. Stop paying manufacturers for the privilege of doing their product testing for them.

    Shocking amount of products being thrown out there without any apparent real-world testing behind them. I wouldn't exactly trust VP to come up with a solution to a very difficult equation (in the form of a pedal with no through-axle), when they can't even get their basic pedal right.

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    im looking forward to testing the new pedal trend

    deity and Nukeproof are bringing HT copies to the table.. in shape at least, but with nylon/plastic bodies..

    deity quotes replacement bodies for theirs to be 9 bucks.

    and metal pins.. at around 45 bucks for a set of pedals, its worth a go

    dont get me wrong, i would love a set of podiums, or twenty6s but if the cheap nylon ones work.. im all over those

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    Quote Originally Posted by illnacord
    While we're talking about VP, let's post a prototype pedal, VP Free Rider
    The flypaper had the spindle as part of the pedal body with the bearings mounted in the crank. That just looks like a normal pedal with half as many bearings. I wouldn't trust it as far as I could throw it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fix the Spade
    ...I wouldn't trust it as far as I could throw it.
    It would however fly quite well if you did, given its shape.
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    That VP freerider looks amazing if it would work.

    Anyone got any more info, wouldn't mind beta testing those?
    Why would I care about 150g of bike weight, I just ate 400g of cookies while reading this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by illnacord
    @monstertiki: thanks for sharing. You'll notice the platform height difference immediately although I would say the old pedal pin layout is equal or better than your new pedals.

    Anyone using the Syncros Crux pedals? They're 6061, lower profile than the Mental's, 4 bearings each pedal, concave, 428g pair.

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    Like the looks of this one.... but it's getting pricey at $145-169.

    I don't smash pedals much (I've been running the same pair of CB acids on my FR bike for 2 years without issue) so maybe the VP would be OK?

    Are platform pedals more exposed/susceptible to rocks than clipless?
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    I ruined those VP pedals in less than a week, riding downhill mind-you. One completely deformed around a rock. That section outside of the axle support folded on both. No good. Got them on eBay for ~$40 IIRC, still not worth it. They might suffice for trail riding, but not DH in my experience. Just a heads up.
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    You don't even need to hit a rock with the vp 001 pedals. I dropped my bike and the hole that leads to the pedal axle was dented pretty good. They are junk.

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    I didn't see the Dark Cycles Arachnids posted:



    I love these pedals! if anything, they are pretty unique looking. But they do work well.

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    +1 on the arachnids! I have a set on my Banshee. light, low profile, grip, stand out in the crowd.

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    I also have a pair of Arachnids. Been running them for 3 years with no issues. They do use the old style grub screw, but this can be changed to one of the new style socket head pins.

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    Picked up a couple sets of these on my internet travels...

    look and feel pretty decent at $46 each, looking forward to trying them once the snow goes away.


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    Wow, those Arachnids look cool, how much??

    Nobody has mentioned the speedplay drilliums, I used em' for a while until i wanted something a lil' thinner and got the wah-wahs. They were some pretty awesome pedals with a super fat platform area. Ended up givin' em' to a buddy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by monkei
    Wow, those Arachnids look cool, how much??

    Nobody has mentioned the speedplay drilliums, I used em' for a while until i wanted something a lil' thinner and got the wah-wahs. They were some pretty awesome pedals with a super fat platform area. Ended up givin' em' to a buddy.
    Dag. Can I be your buddy? My riding buddy has been on the same set of Drilliums for years - first DH, now XC. I would be there in a New York minit if the pegs weren't set screws. The platform is gargantuan and perfectly concave. It's like a comfy sofa for your feet. I love those pedals.
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    I like that description, sofa for the feet, pretty accurate from what I remember. It was a pretty generous giveaway I 'spose, but I've been hounding this particular dude to get more into biking for a looong while. I figured a few nice pieces might help him enjoy ridin' hard a bit more. He just bought his first FS

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    I was pretty set on the Blackspire Sub4's until I saw this...



    As well here

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    ^^ Yeah that. I'm over getting super light weight pedals if they get damaged easily. I just ordered a set of those answer rove pedals. Not that light but look well built and I like the pins.

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    Xpedo FaceOff XM13

    Stupid grippy with just skate shoes. Only had them 2 weeks so can't speak to strength.

    Notice the pins are focused on the axle where your weight is centered.









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    Quote Originally Posted by Digipenguin
    Xpedo FaceOff XM13

    Stupid grippy with just skate shoes. Only had them 2 weeks so can't speak to strength.

    Notice the pins are focused on the axle where your weight is centered.
    Had those too, shredded quickly. Hope you have better luck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NoahColorado
    Had those too, shredded quickly. Hope you have better luck.

    What happened to them? Was it that they couldn't take getting bashed or they just fell apart on their own? I ask because I dont smack my pedals very often so if that's the case then I'm not really worried about it, but if they wear out quickly and explode on their own I might look at getting something else. Thanks.

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    digipenguin, my friend's bike has those xpedos, and the grip is pretty mediocre. platform is small too. better pedals out there for not much more $$.
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    They look like Wellgos?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kameraguy
    I didn't see the Dark Cycles Arachnids posted:



    I love these pedals! if anything, they are pretty unique looking. But they do work well.
    I just ordered a pair today. I can't wait to see them in person.

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    Oooooo, spooky. I like the looks.

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    Has anyone tried these out? They look pretty good, but then again so did those VP pedals, I dont wana be the one to try them out and have them get shredded by some stoopid rock. I know they are European so its not likely anyone has tried them. They also make some higher end models.

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    Just got a pair of the Deity Decoy LTD's . . . stoked on them. Expensive, light, and blingy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hardrocker77
    Has anyone tried these out? They look pretty good, but then again so did those VP pedals, I dont wana be the one to try them out and have them get shredded by some stoopid rock. I know they are European so its not likely anyone has tried them. They also make some higher end models.

    http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/M...?ModelID=58615
    They're not European. At least not made in Europe or even designed here (unless a colour scheme is considered as a design). Rebranding mostly. Octane One is the same company as Ns Bikes. Generic Chinese/Taiwanese catalogue products mostly but in some rather awesome colours. I just went with Wellgo V12 copies instead of those Octane Ones (would have loved the green ones), same price range so no biggie if they fail after a year or two.

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    anyone had some time on the new dmr vaults?


    they have everything i like on a pedal.
    Just how good are they grip / durability wise?

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    nice pedals here
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    Idea! Titanium spindle platform pedals 300g/set for sub-$90-

    @Beeskneez: cool colors (blue black gold) there on the DMR's, notice too the different screw types on the pedal (short and tall heights, hex heads?). Wonder why that is?

    This is a good opportunity to bring up my post #60 about the Wellgo MG-1's. I never owned them so cant speak for quality or pedal height (they appear thick compared to all the latest slim platforms) but for sub-$90 shipped, magnesium platforms, titanium spindles and a weight of sub-150g per pedal (300g pedal set), that's pretty legit. Too legit to quit, especially when sellers from Asia are selling the 76g gold anodized titanium spindles alone for $70. There are other blue and silver titanium spindles from Canada that are Ti6Al4V at 82g/set but these do have a 200 lb rider weight limit.

    As a Clydesdale, these weight limits, appreciate they're honest, but they have prevented me from going ti spindles. Notice how weight limits are different amongst all companies from 180lbs Crank Brothers to 235 lbs from Ward industries with USA sourced and made Ti-6al-4v spindles that are rated at 235lbs right weight limit.

    Below: the sub-$90 300g/set Wellgo MG-1's titanium spindles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by illnacord
    @Beeskneez: cool colors (blue black gold) there on the DMR's, notice too the different screw types on the pedal (short and tall heights, hex heads?). Wonder why that is?
    different heights, and also some pins have to go in from the top due to their location. They are a little on the heavy side but DMR bearings seem to last longer than most.

    Funny how many of those broken Sub4 pics are from a single user (DHPete)

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    OMG! Fanboi alert! Seen on Sam Hill's bike:



    Crank Brothers protos apparently...

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    I have a set of used red arachnids for sale if anyone want. let me know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iceman2058
    OMG! Fanboi alert! Seen on Sam Hill's bike...
    Looks flexy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Truckee Trash
    Just got a pair of the Deity Decoy LTD's . . . stoked on them. Expensive, light, and blingy.
    I have been running those since last August. Multiple laps down Porcupine Rim in Moab, which is hard on gear. So far, so good. They are definitely light and blingy, and my credit card did not like me the day I bought them.

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    Best flats... Being clipped in.
    The arsonist has oddly shaped feet!

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    Quote Originally Posted by his dudeness
    Best flats... Being clipped in.
    Blasphemer!! Keep you clipless coolaid to yourself.

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    Cool-blue Rhythm Platform Adapters for Clipless

    @his dudeness: Below are pix of CB platform adapters that will qualify your impious statement. However, twisting the platform adapters disengages them, so they're for nothing more than "test rides" and grocery store quick runs.

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    The Winwood Decksters require a set of cleats that customer provides which makes them expensive and a poor value. If you're in that direction, you may just go top shelf with White Industries pedal insert cranks with the QR so you can pop in different pedals minus a wrench or allen key.

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    Now, back to the original topic "platform pedal shootout, the best flat is", please.
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    About 3 weeks ago I had a bad experience with my vp-001 pedals. Long story short, they didn't last a weekend of racing so I wrote a few reviews about them and I chocked it up as a loss. Well a few weeks later I got a pm from a VP rep stating he was a sorry I had a bad experience with the pedals and was gonna send me out a few replacement sets of different pedals. I was amazed by this because I didn't even contact vp directly.

    Last week I got a set of vp-00x pedals delivered to my door. Here they are compared to the vp-001.

    They are almost the same pedal except with a solid axle going all the way through them. This makes them stronger but as a result a tiny bit heavier than the vp-001. The weight is hardly noticeable by feel. Another thing you'll notice is where the axle connects to the cranks is smaller effectively bringing the pedal closer to the crank arms. It wasn't a problem for me, but riders that like larger and wider platforms might not like this.

    After trying them today my opinion on them is they grip very well and felt good under my feet. I do like their low profile and will probably use them on my xc hardtail. Imo these pedals would be good for light trail riding but not dh or freeriding. The rep advised me of this as well. Can't wait to get the other pedals, I give props to VP for listening and providing excellent customer service. I will post pics of the other pedals when I get them.

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    If that rep is reading this, I still have the new-in-box VP-001s that I posted about back here, before we all discovered how long they (don't/won't) last...
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    Quote Originally Posted by monstertiki
    About 3 weeks ago I had a bad experience with my vp-001 pedals. Long story short, they didn't last a weekend of racing so I wrote a few reviews about them and I chocked it up as a loss. Well a few weeks later I got a pm from a VP rep stating he was a sorry I had a bad experience with the pedals and was gonna send me out a few replacement sets of different pedals. I was amazed by this because I didn't even contact vp directly.

    Last week I got a set of vp-00x pedals delivered to my door. Here they are compared to the vp-001.

    They are almost the same pedal except with a solid axle going all the way through them. This makes them stronger but as a result a tiny bit heavier than the vp-001. The weight is hardly noticeable by feel. Another thing you'll notice is where the axle connects to the cranks is smaller effectively bringing the pedal closer to the crank arms. It wasn't a problem for me, but riders that like larger and wider platforms might not like this.

    After trying them today my opinion on them is they grip very well and felt good under my feet. I do like their low profile and will probably use them on my xc hardtail. Imo these pedals would be good for light trail riding but not dh or freeriding. The rep advised me of this as well. Can't wait to get the other pedals, I give props to VP for listening and providing excellent customer service. I will post pics of the other pedals when I get them.
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    the dark cycle arachnids are sick!! I love them on my bike.
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    Bullseye BMX Pedals

    Blue anodized Bullseye pedals with a holy batload of pins across the platform.

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    Ultra Mag CNC Superstar

    Superstar pedals, with cutouts and colored pins. Who has the specs on pedal pins?! Are all threaded holes created equal and are pins interchangeable? Which pin system, grub screw, system is the preferred or best?
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    Good job!

    Got a pair of VP-59's, a much stronger pedal than the 001's and haven't heard any of my buddies having problems with them. Great pedal so far!


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    @TheRifleman, the 5 pins are insufficient and the design process explained by VP is something that just doesn't happen in the real world. e.g. You don't want your foot to slip on a jump, and then reposition after. Let's take it back to the OT and present candidates for best platform pedals ;-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by monkei
    Let me know if you figure out a solution for a little better freespin on the prerunners. Probably my only gripe with 'em, I've learnde to deal with it on the climbs.

    On a side note, they perform awesome in the wet!! Spent all day today in the rain and mud going though the soupy to running creeks.

    An update: I did disassemble the pedals and relube the bushing with Manitou M-Prep to try to free-up the spin a bit. Sorry to say it didn't make a significant difference; the pedals still turned very stiffly. It was my only gripe too, but it was significant enough that I ended up selling them. Too bad, as they were perfect in just about every other way, but super-thin isn't worth it to me if the pedals spin on relatively high-friction bushings.

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    According to the guy I spoke with at Twenty6, the drag is mostly due to the 4 o-rings. I've learned to deal with the friction; I really like the platform, machinework, look, and grip on downhill runs.

    Just won an auction for a set of their older model with the Ti spindles, the Rallye (It'll be going on a 700c rigid/hardtail build):
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    Hard to reply to your post without sounding like a flame, but here goes....

    Quote Originally Posted by illnacord
    @TheRifleman, the 5 pins are insufficient and the design process explained by VP is something that just doesn't happen in the real world. e.g. You don't want your foot to slip on a jump, and then reposition after. Let's take it back to the OT and present candidates for best platform pedals ;-)
    Can we honestly talk about the perfect pedal without also talking about shoes, type of riding being done, ride style, experience level, fitness level, etc.? Maybe you can, thinking that all you need is a gazillion studs in your flats to keep your foot on the pedal but in all my years of riding I've not had much of an issue keeping my feet on a pedal of any kind. I have a hard time keeping my tires on the ground, that's about it!

    The FIVE pins on my VP-59 (have you used these pedals?) and 510's stick together just fine and I do a lot of freeride, DJ and trails. Hell sometimes I think there's glue on my shoes! I don't have this "real world" issue you speak of so I just came in here to present the OP with MY experience and it's that the VP-59 is a killer pedal in my experience with them in the "real world". ymmv

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    I have been a long time DX fan but have used Burtecs Penthouse MK11s and now for the last few years MK111s which have a lower profile!

    These are not the cheapest pedal around but I think Twenty 6s Point Ones etc would be as if not more expensive!

    The key benefits for me have been super reliability, and feel, feel for me is solidity, I feel like I'm still on my moto, they're super grippy, handle all seasons,wet and dry, rocks and mud, for me its a true platform!

    If I was to change Ive long liked what Point One do its different but for me and my huge width/girth of foot its hard for me to change to something else when I have no reason for change, the weight is not a concern to me, the secure feel stiffness and knowing my foot is well protected and will stay on no matter what, everything I need in a pedal this one covers and covers very well for me.

    Sometimes the grip is too much, but you adapt, I use 5:10s wouldn't use anything else either!

    Servicing, super easy to do, I strip them re grease a few times a year, current ones only done 2-3 times over last 2 seasons, I haven't had to replace anything pins either they are allen key from the opposite side, still looking great 2, just such an easy pedal to live with. my all time pedal pick, simple no gimmicks no marketing just works.

    I have DXs but never use em, and have ridden quite a few brands mentioned here, surprised Burgtecs don't come up a bit more, but then its a UK brand and works well for UK conditions, says it all really, also very popular with WC riders not riding sponsored brands, I know one or too an ex BT rider who would rather be riding these than say 50/50s

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    Quote Originally Posted by Digipenguin
    Xpedo FaceOff XM13

    Stupid grippy with just skate shoes. Only had them 2 weeks so can't speak to strength.

    Notice the pins are focused on the axle where your weight is centered.
    They don't look that grippy to me. Pins are too shallow and wide. They also look kinda flmsy, the plates seem awfully thin. I wouldn't want to have a crash with them pedals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iceman2058
    189 replies and we still haven't answered which is the best flat pedal???
    As you can tell by the thread, there is no best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SV11
    As you can tell by the thread, there is no best.
    Say it ain't so!!!???


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    Quote Originally Posted by Iceman2058
    Say it ain't so!!!???

    lol, sorry to be a downer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by illnacord
    Superstar pedals, with cutouts and colored pins. Who has the specs on pedal pins?! Are all threaded holes created equal and are pins interchangeable? Which pin system, grub screw, system is the preferred or best?
    I've been running a pair of these ^^^ HT-made "Superstar Ultra-Mag CNC" pedals on my AM & DH bike for a while now (Black with gold pins FYI, and steel axle... but at only 310g/pair I see little point in going the expensive Ti axles...though it does bring the weight to an insane 260g/pair!!).

    Very light, and really well made. Slightly concavity to its shape which I find nice, and pretty thin for extra clearance. Grip wise, initially they didn't have as much insane grip as I was used to (compared to my NS Legeaters on my street bike) but now that the pins have some wear on top of them they actually grip better, as they are sharper (if that makes sense). I also like the fact that these pins are stronger than the hollow hex threaded-pins, and the bolt head itself stays well intact for later replacement if needed, unlike the hollow hex type pins which get full of crud, deform, and generally seem to get pulled out a lot easier.

    I've smashed these Ultra Mag CNC pedals many times on rocks and the like, without issue (apart from a loss of some colour of course). I will be buying these again - the weight/price and performance/price is brilliant, let alone all the different colour combo's you can chose from.

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    Quote Originally Posted by starship303
    I've been running a pair of these ^^^ HT-made "Superstar Ultra-Mag CNC" pedals on my AM & DH bike for a while now (Black with gold pins FYI, and steel axle... but at only 310g/pair I see little point in going the expensive Ti axles...though it does bring the weight to an insane 260g/pair!!).

    Very light, and really well made. Slightly concavity to its shape which I find nice, and pretty thin for extra clearance. Grip wise, initially they didn't have as much insane grip as I was used to (compared to my NS Legeaters on my street bike) but now that the pins have some wear on top of them they actually grip better, as they are sharper (if that makes sense). I also like the fact that these pins are stronger than the hollow hex threaded-pins, and the bolt head itself stays well intact for later replacement if needed, unlike the hollow hex type pins which get full of crud, deform, and generally seem to get pulled out a lot easier.

    I've smashed these Ultra Mag CNC pedals many times on rocks and the like, without issue (apart from a loss of some colour of course). I will be buying these again - the weight/price and performance/price is brilliant, let alone all the different colour combo's you can chose from.

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    Price, and place to purchase them (anywhere aside from superstar themselves, prefer not ordering from across seas)? 260g/pair for the ti spindle is unreal.

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    Well Superstar branded stuff is only available direct from them at http://superstar.tibolts.co.uk. From my experience their postage was good, i had no issues buying them from the other side of the world.

    Interestingly, unlike the more common design available under lots of different names (still a great pedal it has to be said) I've actually not seen this slightly different, lighter Ultra Mag version labelled anything else other than Superstar. Maybe search for HT pedals and see what you get?

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    So creeped this thread for 30 minutes now and all I know is my head hurts.

    I think I've narrowed it down to straitline(s), sunline v one(s), or the budget minded sun ringle zuzu(s)? Haven't seen them mentioned to much except in the first page, but no bad reviews at least thats I saw. Am I missing some weak points on either? Does the V One's hold more mud with all that platform?

    has anybody reviewed the zuzu(s) did I over look them?

    Oh and HT is the restamper or the original? I feel lost..... and scared. I really don't want to regret my first platform pedal decision. haha

    thanks!

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    I just ordered the Nuke Proof Neutron Alloy-Ti Pedal 2011 - Silver - Alloy - Ti Axle. So I'm pretty ripped to try them out.

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    I'm liking my Gravity Light Pedals
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