Old School DH bikes

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  • 10-23-2011
    mtbnozpikr
    This is a great thread. In my opinion the best looking old school bike is the Cannondale Fulcrum that Missy Giove raced back in the mid to late 90's (red frame with yellow decals). I used to ride a 2002 Intense M1 with a 2002 Marzocchi Shiver. I absoluvely loved it and had a blast on it. While newer frames are more efficient and adjustable and newer suspension is as good as it has ever been, I have heard it said that a properly built M1 is still a formidable bike to be reckoned with on the race track today.
  • 10-23-2011
    vetprowanab
    Beautiful bikes on here.
  • 10-24-2011
    sandwich
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by twistedlizard720 View Post
    I totally agree with you. One of the weakest points of my S8 is its braking. You learn to cope with the brake jack and quirks, but they always catch you off guard when your focus is 20 feet down the trail. Today's DH bikes have nearly eliminated brake jack, allowing you to ride into technical features faster and brake later. You don't have to think as much about how the bike is going to react and you can just go. Plus, considering prices for DH bikes now to back then, you get a lot more bang for your buck today. With what I spent building mine in 2001, I could have a new GT carbon DH or Yeti 303 with change to spare.

    Two things...you can probably still get a floating brake for the rear end from therapy components if the braking upsets you that much...
    Two, most modern DH bikes don't care much about braking at all. VPP and DWL don't consider braking nearly as important as shock rate nor pedaling aspects. Even the Zerode with it's ultra high pivot has no floater as the designers decided brake squat in corners was better than the weight that the floater added...to that point, your Super8 probably squats rather than "jacks" as brake jacking doesn't usually happen on high single pivots.

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by genemk View Post
    I personally think newer is better (as long as it's a solid proven design). I get the antique classic look and if that's why you do it then great. However, if you're putting new components on it, especially fork/shock combo then wouldn't you be able to upgrade to a newer used bike that is lighter with a better geometry for the same cost? As long as you're happy and having fun though power to ya because in the end that's why most of us do this.

    I totally disagree. Many of the newer designs have similar problems to older designs, and the most significant change to geometry has been lower BBs and slacker HAs...some of which you can achieve with angled headset reducers.
    I never got along with my Iron horse sunday, even though it had a 63.5* HA and Boxxer R2C2 and fresh bearings etc. etc....I had a day on an older super 8 with a Champ and gazzis on it and it was a revelation in what fun DH riding can be. May not be as totally competitive as a brand new DHR, but if you can't enjoy riding, why bother?

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by techfersure View Post
    Forgot I have a one off Black Sheep chromoly DH frame based on Lawwill design.

    I have a few photos of that somewhere...wanted one so bad. No floater, though.

    Leland, PM inbound....I want that super8!
  • 10-24-2011
    modifier
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    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Lelandjt View Post
    That's an Intense that was painted/decaled for Haro. Might as well call it an Intense now that it's stripped.

    Looks a lot like my old Uzzi DH. I don't know what year it is. I bought it used.

    Here is a pic of how it was built when I got it.
  • 10-24-2011
    sandwich
    I'm pretty sure the DHR was welded by intense and rebadged, since most people were on M1s/intenses anyways and haro brought nothing to the game...

    The Uzzi DH and DHR differed in the front monocoque...

  • 10-24-2011
    Moosey
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    02 M1:

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    Dunno why but i like this shot...

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    Built in the USA.

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  • 10-25-2011
    schoolisbad1
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    had a 24" rear wheel at first
  • 10-26-2011
    rideonjon
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Coopie View Post
    I agree. This beast rips. Wish I had the skills to really use it, but I do my best. Its pretty much a brand new frame after the fresh PC and factory rebuild no play at all in the dog bone link ( thanks to Greg at Turnerbikes). I will be riding this turner for a few more years.


    drill that DHR to slacken the HT and lower the BB you will be amazed with the handling after.
    cheers,
    jon

    i'll try and post a pic of mine that's been drilled.
  • 10-26-2011
    rideonjon
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by motormonkeyr6 View Post
    01 Turner DHR
    Still alive and kicking!


    if i'm not mistaken that frame was called the Javelin,DHR was the model after.cool bike non the less.
  • 10-26-2011
    StuLax18
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by rideonjon View Post
    if i'm not mistaken that frame was called the Javelin,DHR was the model after.cool bike non the less.

    Their website calls it the DH Racer/C-Note.



    They made a model around that time called the Stinger, though it was an XC bike. I guess you could be getting Javelin and Stinger mixed up since they are both military missiles?
  • 10-26-2011
    twistedlizard720
    who remembers this bike?




    A few more from back in the day

    Kona Stab Dee-Lux


    Balfa BB7


    Honda prototype


    Marin Team DH


    Ellsworth Dare


    Aeon Joker by Ellsworth


    Santa Cruz Bullit
  • 10-26-2011
    mtbnozpikr
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by twistedlizard720 View Post
    who remembers this bike?

    Some of those saddles are like couches. Who needs a tandem when you've got a love seat...
  • 10-26-2011
    StuLax18
    The one thing I remember most about DH bikes back a few years ago was the huge seats they had. I remember they were a lot more square at the front, and not as aerodynamic looking as today.
  • 10-27-2011
    Coopie


    A little Hike a Bike last week. Still rocks in the rocks.
  • 10-27-2011
    fryed_1
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by mtbnozpikr View Post
    This is a great thread. In my opinion the best looking old school bike is the Cannondale Fulcrum that Missy Giove raced back in the mid to late 90's (red frame with yellow decals). I used to ride a 2002 Intense M1 with a 2002 Marzocchi Shiver. I absoluvely loved it and had a blast on it. While newer frames are more efficient and adjustable and newer suspension is as good as it has ever been, I have heard it said that a properly built M1 is still a formidable bike to be reckoned with on the race track today.

    I have a 2002 Cove gspot with a shiver. Fun fun fun bike!



  • 10-28-2011
    ianjenn
  • 10-29-2011
    big.eck
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by twistedlizard720 View Post
    Some old school love


    Mountain Cycle San Andreas



    I missed a ton, but feel free to continue the love!

    thats my san andreas :thumbsup: i still use it and it still turns heads , i've just bought a 2nd one for xc so it's half the size of the orange one :D



    it rides really well and i'll keep riding it as long as it holds out :)
  • 10-29-2011
    ctownposse
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    1999 Disco Volante just sold it.
  • 10-29-2011
    name_dropper
    that orange San Andreas is just crazy. the proportions are nuts! what size are the stantions and that front tire?! beastly!
  • 10-29-2011
    big.eck
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by name_dropper View Post
    that orange San Andreas is just crazy. the proportions are nuts! what size are the stantions and that front tire?! beastly!

    i think the stantions are 38mm ? and the tyre is a 3" nokian ;) i've never seen a bike the same size as it yet lol
  • 10-30-2011
    mcastanares
    What do you guys think about the 2000 Kona Stinky? My friends back in CA just got into DH riding and one just came up on the local craigslist for $450. Is it a good price? There really aren't any trails in my area for DH but was wondering if I could use the bike out here for AM type riding. I know technology and geometry has changed a lot in the past 10 years so this bike might not even be considered a DH bike by todays standards. Let me know what you guys think.
  • 10-31-2011
    Mr.Magura
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by mcastanares View Post
    What do you guys think about the 2000 Kona Stinky? My friends back in CA just got into DH riding and one just came up on the local craigslist for $450. Is it a good price? There really aren't any trails in my area for DH but was wondering if I could use the bike out here for AM type riding. I know technology and geometry has changed a lot in the past 10 years so this bike might not even be considered a DH bike by todays standards. Let me know what you guys think.

    I use my '98 M1 for AM/light DH, and it's quite good for that. The geometry suits that pretty well. The biggest difference between old and new is in shock technology, so throw a modern shock and fork on it, and you'll have a pretty nice AM rig, capable of a bit more than your average modern AM type of bike.

    Magura :)
  • 11-02-2011
    Freerydejunky
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by rideonjon View Post
    if i'm not mistaken that frame was called the Javelin,DHR was the model after.cool bike non the less.

    You are mistaken :p

    This was a 1 of 3 or 4 prototypes Turner made for Eric Carter back in the day. Its got a bunch of farkles that the DHR didnt get till almost 04. Or thats what I remember from talking to Dave a few years ago.
  • 11-03-2011
    twistedlizard720
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by big.eck View Post
    i think the stantions are 38mm ? and the tyre is a 3" nokian ;) i've never seen a bike the same size as it yet lol

    How 'bout these proportions? It is totally cheating because Krispy is a pretty short dude.



    Does anybody have one of those 14 inch travel GSR's?
  • 11-03-2011
    Mr.Magura
    As I have gotten a couple of questions regarding that old M1, here is a pic of it, and a scan from a mag that featured it "a while back".
    The other pics is of the carbon brake.

    Now it has a modified Domain 318 fork, carbon front disc brake, a Swinger 6 way shock, and Atomlab G.I. pedals.

    It sees frequent use, and I think I'll try to keep it alive as long as possible.

    For AM/light DH use, it's a nice ride.


    Magura :)
  • 11-04-2011
    sandwich
    Nice bike! Interesting take on the brakes. I'd encourage you to try some real brakes though, before you spend too much time energy and money making those work. Switching from hope DH04s with later model levers to Saint 810 or even Gustavs gave me more braking power and confidence than I thought possible. I cannot believe how bad an unreliable my DH04s were, and can still remember the hand cramps I got after three knuckling it at plattekill.
  • 11-04-2011
    quattroman
    While downhilling in Argentina during de 90s, dad and had two treks. Y-5 and Y-glide. The y-5 had the double crown fork from the glide xtr v-brakes and the glide had a boxxer and magura hydro rim brakes.

    I could not find any old pics of them and the internet doesn't have pictures with that configuration.
  • 11-05-2011
    Mr.Magura
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by sandwich View Post
    Nice bike! Interesting take on the brakes. I'd encourage you to try some real brakes though, before you spend too much time energy and money making those work. Switching from hope DH04s with later model levers to Saint 810 or even Gustavs gave me more braking power and confidence than I thought possible. I cannot believe how bad an unreliable my DH04s were, and can still remember the hand cramps I got after three knuckling it at plattekill.

    See this thread for more info about the carbon brake:

    http://forums.mtbr.com/brake-time/ho...-702878-4.html


    It is actually working, and have been so for a while by now.

    The DH04 has an issue, no doubt there, but mainly the issue is that they are hard to set up accurate enough to work proper, and that the Hope pads are not very good.
    Aftermarket pads makes a world of difference, and so does very good alignment of the caliper.


    Magura :)
  • 11-09-2011
    twistedlizard720
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by quattroman View Post
    While downhilling in Argentina during de 90s, dad and had two treks. Y-5 and Y-glide. The y-5 had the double crown fork from the glide xtr v-brakes and the glide had a boxxer and magura hydro rim brakes.

    I could not find any old pics of them and the internet doesn't have pictures with that configuration.

    Here are some pics I found of the two bikes you mentioned.

    Trek Y-5


    Trek Y-Glide


    And also a popular one in the earlier days

    Trek VRX


    One thing I like looking through all these photos is the amount of inverted forks. I ride one, and even though its a dry bath (which defeats the purpose) and it twists a little in the rocks, I still love it.
  • 11-09-2011
    HelloMyNameIsSean
    My Local Shop has a brand new 1999 Giant ATX(?) I think it is. It's pretty crazy to see, he's also pretty crazy asking 1700 dollars for it, and he's cutting me a really sweet deal. It cost 2600 dollars....12 years ago...

    I've got a crappy cell phone picture I'll put up later
  • 11-17-2011
    quattroman
    A LBS here has a Trek Y-33 (the yellow carbon Y shapped trek), same age as the Y-5 and Y-glide shown above, asking 2300.
  • 11-18-2011
    HelloMyNameIsSean
    He's probably smoking the same stuff as the owner of the bike shop near me...
  • 11-18-2011
    ejbozlee
    Nice!
  • 12-04-2011
    gsxrawd
    mine


    and

  • 12-05-2011
    rep_1969
    Those foes are SICK!!
  • 12-05-2011
    will3554
    i just picked up an 01 foes dhs mono about a month ago. its not quite as old school as some of the stuff on here but i think its worth posting. sorry for the crappy cell pics

    when i picked it up


    and now
  • 12-05-2011
    will3554
    anybody know where i can pick up some new stickers in black??
  • 12-28-2011
    caesarleigh
    Super 8 Swingarm Info?
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by twistedlizard720 View Post
    Mine did break. That's why the swingarm is black. I could take black or wait 8 months for them to get a batch of powdercoat blue. I didn't wait 8 months. Trouble free since then.

    twistedlizard720: How long ago did you source the swingarm? & from who? :confused:
  • 12-28-2011
    caesarleigh
    Status of this frame?
    [QUOTE=Lelandjt;8547006]I have a large Super 8 frame sitting here in immaculate shape (redesigned swingarm) in need of a rider to bring it back to life. You'd have to be able to source the unique width rear hub it requires (I'll include the quirky brake adapter it requires). This is the pimpin-est of all Super 8s as I had a custom shock shuttle made to accommodate a longer stroke Romic shock and Ti spring (800lb I think) achieving 9" of travel. The frame is perfect and the shock only had 1 season of use. Free to the first person who can pick it up or pay the shipping (approx $60?).

    Lelandjt: Did someone scoop this frame already or what is the high bid so far? Please update! :thumbsup:
  • 12-28-2011
    liquid spandex
  • 12-28-2011
    danglingmanhood
    It's great to see these od bikes, but I don't miss lugging any of my old tanks around.
  • 12-28-2011
    m-dub
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by liquid spandex View Post

    Interesting shoes? Look like 5 ten soles but???
  • 12-28-2011
    gticlay
    Nice bikes, but I don't think anything newer than 1999 is really an old school DH bike. Something like the Proflex Beast... I think the M1 was late 90's but even that's the first of the new school DH?
  • 12-29-2011
    Lelandjt
    I sent that Super Duper 8 frame to a guy in NY for $25 shipping! Hopefully he posts pics once the build is done.
  • 12-29-2011
    jerky
    The only DH bike in my shed dates from 1998... and is in pristine condition as I couldn't ever ride it in the style it deserves.





  • 12-29-2011
    iheartbicycles
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by StuLax18 View Post
    Their website calls it the DH Racer/C-Note.



    They made a model around that time called the Stinger, though it was an XC bike. I guess you could be getting Javelin and Stinger mixed up since they are both military missiles?

    No, it was the javelin and it came out in 1999. It was the precursor to the DHR.
  • 12-29-2011
    Secace
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by fryed_1 View Post
    I have a 2002 Cove gspot with a shiver. Fun fun fun bike!




    Looks like the basin side of Snowshoe!!
  • 12-29-2011
    StuLax18
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by iheartbicycles View Post
    No, it was the javelin and it came out in 1999. It was the precursor to the DHR.

    The bike I'm talking about was the precursor to the DHR, and was sold from '99-'04. We are probably talking about the same thing, but Turner's site doesn't list anything called the Javelin.
  • 12-29-2011
    iheartbicycles
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by StuLax18 View Post
    The bike I'm talking about was the precursor to the DHR, and was sold from '99-'04. We are probably talking about the same thing, but Turner's site doesn't list anything called the Javelin.

    The Javelin was the precursor to the DHR. Google it.
  • 12-29-2011
    StuLax18
    And was changed to the name DH Racer in 2000 (which of course became DHR). I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just saying I'm also not wrong.

    Per the Turner website:



    And since the model in question is from 2001, it's actually the DH Racer.