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    Need tire suggestions for Snowshoe trip, any suggestions?

    A friend and myself will be heading up for a 3 day weekend of riding at snowshoe in a couple weeks, it will be both of our first times riding any true downhill. I currently run 26x2.0 Specialized Captains up front and 26x2.0 Kenda Karma in the rear which is fine for my local riding. However, I am under the impression, I should probabaly beef it up a little for the trip. I will be riding a 2010 Specialized Stumpjumper FSR(yes I know its not a true DH/FR bike, but I most likely wont be riding anything out of my comfort zone that would beat it up too bad.)

    Any suggestions on tire brand/model and size suggestions front and rear? ANY help would be appreciated! Thanks in advance.


    FWIW, I have Stans Flow wheels. Do you guys run tubeless on DH/FR?

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    Our first run on the last day from my buddies GoPro, Im up front. He was taking it a bit easy as he had developed blisters on BOTH hands, so he was in a little pain trying to hold on for dear life!

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    READY TO RIDE! Thanks for all the help guys!

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    Maxxis Minion DHF 2.5's are good. If you want to beef it up a bit then a 2.7 up front will do. I ran a 2.7 minion up front and a 2.7 highroller in the rear with good results (both 60A compound) but recently hot a deal on some sticky rubber 2.7 Intense tires and am liking them so far for the little bit of time I've had on them. Watch putting a foot down at the wrong time though, broke my ankle there two weeks ago on a simple drop off some rocks, put a foot down cause I was too crooked and landed on it first. Gonna miss the rest of the season now. :-( The 10 Gallon>Judi Chop>Ninja Bob>Missing Link (or Ball 'N Jack)> Powerline is a great run on the western territory that isn't too crazy, also Chainsmoke is relatively tame. The Basin Side is shorter runs with lower speeds but some runs (A, C come to mind) are pretty flippin' steep in spots.

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    Awesome, thanks! Man, Im used to running 2.0-2.2, 2.7 sounds crazy! How will I know if it will fit without rubbing or anything? I have a Fox Talas 140mm fork too, if that matters. Sorry Im new to tires, especially DH specific.

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    Well maxxis 2.7's are smaller than you'd think. From my memory the widest part was less than 2.5", mainly the 2.7's are taller. I think the wheel arch clearance is pretty similar on most forks (guessing here) so it shouldnt be an issue. The 2.5's didn't exceed 2.3 at the widest point and worked for me during my first season at The Shoe.
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    yeah minion super tacky 2.5 would be the best go to tire, DHF for the front, then either DHR, another DHF or a highroller on the rear, the DHF/DHR combo is a good balance.

    The maxis 2.5's run small, they are more like 2.35's or something, so they should fit your bike fine!

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    So, looks like Maxxis Minions DHF/DHR Super Tacky is the "go-to" tire choice. Should I go 2.5 front and rear or go beefier up front?

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    2.5's will work, a beefier front tire is nice to help absorb the rocks and roots a bit since you don't have a plush, long travel shock to help as much with that. Super tacky's are good, if you find a good price snatch them up, 3C's will work well too. Not sure that you'd be riding to the point that you'd need ST over 3C but it couldn't hurt.

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    Im just wondering since Im used to the captains at a 2.0, if I threw a Maxxis 2.7 on there if it would throw off the feel of the bike too much for me to handle the transition. Ill probably stick with a 2.5 front and rear unless more people say go for the 2.7. Ill check out the 3C's as you mentioned as well, thanks again!

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    I think your biggest adjustment will be learning to trust the tire. The DHF works great and gives plenty of warning before letting go.

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    Minions work great for the rocks there,

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    ^agreed, trusting the tire to hold will be your only issue and it will hold more than you'd think. I remember being hesitant to rail into a turn but the first time I did I was blown away by how much traction I had and how far I could lean into a turn. 2.7's aren't going to change the game, being your first time really DH riding you won't be "out riding" the 2.5's.

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    And for reference my 2.7's measure 66mm or 2.6 inch and the 2.5 measures 60mm or 2.36. Height wise there is only a few mm difference.

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    My suggestion would be to:
    Rent a Bike from the shop if you want to be able to take advantage of all the park has to offer, it will have the correct tires on it already, as well as you won't be beating your Stumpy up when you get into some Gnarl you weren't expecting, if you haven't ridden DH and Snowshoe is TRUE DH (ROOTS, ROCKS, DROPS, LOOSE CHUNK GRAVEL) in MOST Spots you will be much happier for having rented a Specialized Demo from them or even a Kona Operator, that way you can really take advantage of your trip and not be worrying about your Daily Steed taking a Beating.

    As for your original question, if I were in your shoes I would put a set of Schwalbe Muddy Marys 2.35 (which measures more like 2.55) on those Flow's and run them tubeless! Took a new DH rider with us this weekend (he was on a Kona Coil Air AM bike he rides everyday) and he PINCH Flatted 4 TIMES, 2 on Graveled Fire Roads, and he also posted a 5:30 time in the race on Sunday for Intro which beat the Weekend Warrior Class, and would have gotten him 3rd or 4th in AMATEUR, HE IS FAST coming from purely XC, KID CAN RIDE!

    I ran UST Marys and Didn't flat once, but I am much slower than him! It was pissing last night when I left and it is supposed to piss all week and that mountain like most can get wet at any moment in September, the Maxxis are tried and true as mentioned above but consider at dealer cost Schwalbe's and Maxxis are $45 or so each so for two tires you can rent a bike basically, and they will fix your flats!

    Enjoy and be sure to update us on how it goes and when you'll be heading back ;-)

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    Looks like Ill be ordering a set of Minion DHF 2.5 Super Tacky/Minion DHR 2.5 Super Tacky. Thanks for all the help guys, Im sure this tire set up will be more than enough than I will be able to handle on my first DH session.

    Anyone have tire pressure recommendations? I tend to ride on the more aggressive side, I weight about 165lbs. I ride around 30-35psi locally.

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    Sorry, can't be of assistance there, I go by feel. Start at 35 and go from there, lowering until you feel comfy and you're not washing out in turns.. If you pinchflat they have thick DH tubes for $12-13, I haven't pinched since I switched to thicker tubes, granted I've also gotten better at picking lines and not just plowing into rocks all willy-nilly.

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    Good choice!

    re pressures.

    I'm about 190lbs, in dry i run 25 front, 28ish back, if dry, fast and rocky, I'd up that a few PSI, or if I feel the rim hitting.

    In the wet, depending on traction vs flat resistance compromise, somewhere between 18-22psi front, 25 ish in the back...

    I find they get a little skittish feeling if I have them over 30psi...

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    Thanks for the tips, Ill start around 30psi and see how they feel. Should I run them tubeless, or do you guys run tubes for DH?

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    Your call really. Lots of guys run TBL for DH, if I was flatting more I'd consider it myself but being a lighter rider I guess is more forgiving on my tubes. You definitely can't go wrong with a TBL setup, still good to have a tube just in case though, it can be a long walk down.

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    Instead of spending $120 on tyres, spend the same amount on renting a DH bike and your lift ticket.
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    Good point. Decisions decisions.

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    I've been rolling 2.5 Minions at Snowshoe for years. I'm not alone either. A large percentage of the bikes on the lifts are rolling on the same.
    People wait for me on the way up. I wait for them on the way down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 6thElement View Post
    Instead of spending $120 on tyres, spend the same amount on renting a DH bike and your lift ticket.
    Im going to ride 3 days, from what I can find on the snowshoe site, a bike rental is $89 for FR and $149 for DH bike per day(looks like they come with armor though, not sure what a bike rental would be if I brought my own armor). Please inform me otherwise if this is not the case, but otherwise I cant afford to rent a bike for all three days.

    $120 for DH specific tires for my own bike.
    $267 for FR rental with armor.
    $447 for DH rental with armor.

    Trust me, I would love to ride a full on DH rig, its just not in the cards this time around. I just placed an order for a 661 Full Face and Pro Knee/shin guards because the rental rates for the three days would cost the same or more and I dont get to take it home at the end of the day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Secace View Post
    I've been rolling 2.5 Minions at Snowshoe for years. I'm not alone either. A large percentage of the bikes on the lifts are rolling on the same.
    Good to hear, I cant wait to get up there! We will be up there from the 23-25 this month.

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    lifts arent running on the western slope anymore. you can ride the shuttle, but its slow and I think only once every 30 min.
    so chances are you will ride the basin side most of the day. which kind of sucks, especially for your first real DH experience.
    C to Lucid to Raging bull is probably the best route to ride on basin side, and you probably want to cut out C if youre a beginner.

    honestly unless you really dont mind waiting for the shuttle id probably ride timberline just up the road and wait for the snowshoe west side lifts to open next may.

    for tires, buy the $18 Maxxis Ardent dual ply DH tires at jenson. Minions are great tires, but no reason to drop $$$ on them as a beginner, especially when Ardents are almost as good.
    when its wet and soggy, swampthings work great there
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    What is timberline? Is it a public trail or another park system?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evan55 View Post
    lifts arent running on the western slope anymore. you can ride the shuttle, but its slow and I think only once every 30 min.
    so chances are you will ride the basin side most of the day. which kind of sucks, especially for your first real DH experience.
    C to Lucid to Raging bull is probably the best route to ride on basin side, and you probably want to cut out C if youre a beginner.

    honestly unless you really dont mind waiting for the shuttle id probably ride timberline just up the road and wait for the snowshoe west side lifts to open next may.

    for tires, buy the $18 Maxxis Ardent dual ply DH tires at jenson. Minions are great tires, but no reason to drop $$$ on them as a beginner, especially when Ardents are almost as good.
    when its wet and soggy, swampthings work great there
    Hey Evan, I could be wrong but the Western Lift is running on Saturday-Sunday still isn't it, I thought they just removed Friday from the schedule. Let me know if you are positive the Western Lift is shut down on weekends only please! It could affect my plans for closing weekends Oct. 8th.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheTwanksta View Post
    What is timberline? Is it a public trail or another park system?
    its another lift access resort.

    Timberline Resort Summer 2011
    (not a ton of DH info on their website unfortunately)
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    i think its around an hour drive north of snowshoe? not sure.

    some really fun natural trails there, a couple beginner/intermediate friendly trails, and some great steep techy stuff and drops when you get better. the guys in the bike shop will take you out and show you the trails your first time too. SuperD course too if you want to get the lungs and legs burning

    ive got some videos and stuff if you want to see them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OneEyedHito View Post
    Hey Evan, I could be wrong but the Western Lift is running on Saturday-Sunday still isn't it, I thought they just removed Friday from the schedule. Let me know if you are positive the Western Lift is shut down on weekends only please! It could affect my plans for closing weekends Oct. 8th.
    here is the western calendar. black numbers mean the lift is running, white numbers mean shuttle.
    Snowshoe Mountain - Western Territory Operating Calendar
    so according to the calendar the last lift day was labor day. (last year was the same)
    Id love it if it was wrong -the snowshoe season is always too short, maybe call the bike shop there to see?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Evan55 View Post
    here is the western calendar. black numbers mean the lift is running, white numbers mean shuttle.
    Snowshoe Mountain - Western Territory Operating Calendar
    so according to the calendar the last lift day was labor day. (last year was the same)
    Id love it if it was wrong -the snowshoe season is always too short, maybe call the bike shop there to see?
    Thanks for the info man, I just talked to Jay in the Bike Shop, CRAZYASS Shuttle Bus Driver is operating on Thursday and Friday and Western Lift is a Go until the end of the season on Saturday and Sunday only. Sheeeez, that was a close one!

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    Quote Originally Posted by OneEyedHito View Post
    Thanks for the info man, I just talked to Jay in the Bike Shop, CRAZYASS Shuttle Bus Driver is operating on Thursday and Friday and Western Lift is a Go until the end of the season on Saturday and Sunday only. Sheeeez, that was a close one!
    GREAT news!

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    I just put in an order to TreeFortBikes.com for a set of Maxxis Minion DHF/DHR Super Tacky 2.5's! Cant wait to try em out on my Snowshoe trip next week! Thanks for the advice guys, Ill post back when I return from my trip!

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    Great call on the supertacky compound. It rans in WV all the time - you'll notice the extra traction on the roots & rocks.

    If you ride there 3 days, good chance you'll eat those tires up! Soft compound works great, but doesn't last long.

    You might want to score some extra brake pads.

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    Yeah, interested to see how these tires work, should be fun! I just put in a new set of pads in front and rear. You think I will go through those in just 3 days?

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    Quote Originally Posted by OneEyedHito View Post
    Thanks for the info man, I just talked to Jay in the Bike Shop, CRAZYASS Shuttle Bus Driver is operating on Thursday and Friday and Western Lift is a Go until the end of the season on Saturday and Sunday only. Sheeeez, that was a close one!
    I'm not sure what Jay is smoking cause I was just there this past Saturday and Sunday and the western territory lift is NOT running. The last weekend for it was Labor Day race weekend. He probably misunderstood and was referring to the Ballhooter lift on the basin side. The good news though is that both shuttle buses are running and with both guys hammer down, you won't be waiting long on the next run back to the top. I don't mind riding the shuttles but I do wish they'd run the lift on closing weekend cause there is always a good turnout and slots on those shuttle trailers gets tight.
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    Would have been cool to ride the lifts on my first time to a DH park, but I guess I didnt realize how fast winter is coming up(I live in FL) for you guys up north. What are the conditions of the trails right now and what kind of weather can we expect next week?

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    You'll get to ride the lift hoss. The lift will be running on the basin (lake) side of the mountain. The shuttle runs on the other side of the mountain.
    This is actually probably the best time of the year to bike there. The usual autumn riding temps are low-mid 70's and cool nights....both getting cooler as October progresses. The most important thing is fall usually means dry trail conditions. Spring is a always a mess but late Sept. and early October is typically pretty dry. Always bank on unpredictable weather though as the altitude seems to dictate weather patterns that the forecasters never see. This past weekend was supposed to be cold and rainy every day but instead it was beautiful blue skies and sun till Sunday evening. Look me up closing weekend, We'll ride a few. I'll be on a black Canfield.
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    Thanks for the info, my buddy and I are pretty stoked about this trip. Weve never done any REAL DH, so this will definitely be an adventure. We both tend to ride pretty aggressive in our local trails, but we still have no idea what to expect. We will be there from the 23-25th.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheTwanksta View Post
    Thanks for the info, my buddy and I are pretty stoked about this trip. Weve never done any REAL DH, so this will definitely be an adventure. We both tend to ride pretty aggressive in our local trails, but we still have no idea what to expect. We will be there from the 23-25th.
    Expect this!
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    Don't forget the road gap
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    Cant wait!

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    Should I set the Minions up as tubeless on my Stans Flows or run tubes?

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    I would say that's up to you, both methods will allow you to inflate your tire so you can ride (the most important part).


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    Just wondering what the majority of people running while doing downhill I guess. I am a pretty big believer in tubeless where I ride locally, however I dont know if that will hold up on the trails up north. I assume pinch flats are pretty common with tubes though?

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    I run tubes, but a lot of people also run tubeless.

    I also run thin xc tubes, am a reasonably smooth rider though.

    I definitely have to adjust pressure for the conditions, lower when wet as having traction is good and generally you're riding a bit slower so impacts aren't that hard, as it dries out and speed goes up I have to increase pressure a bit other wise I do pinch flat.

    I don't run tubeless because I change tires out depending on conditions and don't want to deal with the mess.

    As far as flats go, I might get one every 5 or 6 days of lift riding, usually if I forget to set my pressures right, or I smash into something unexpectedly.

    If I had tubeless rims and tires with no goop I'd probably run tubeless, if that's what you have why not just go that route?

    Also I run conti rubber queens, which are a bit more flat susceptible than minions, when I had minions on I could get away with murder and still not flat, the conti's are a bit more fragile in that respect, not terrible, just watch your pressures...

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    Sounds good, Ill prob just run them tubeless until something goes wrong.

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    Everything is in! We leave for our trip tomorrow morning! Cant wait to get up there.








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    2010 Specialized Stumpjumper FSR Pro

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    Hey we'll probably see you there! I just got done reserving our rooms and bike park passes... Look for us, I'll be on a Raw Transition Dirtbag, and my buddy is will be on an old school Yeti DH8. We are staying at the Inn.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BLOWNDFIZ View Post
    Hey we'll probably see you there! I just got done reserving our rooms and bike park passes... Look for us, I'll be on a Raw Transition Dirtbag, and my buddy is will be on an old school Yeti DH8. We are staying at the Inn.
    Awesome, I think we are staying at the Inn as well! Thats the one thats like 6 miles outside of the mountain right? We are traveling up from florida tomorrow morning, we should arrive there tomorrow evening around 7-8pm. We plan to ride all day Fri-Sun and head back Monday.

    Youve seen my Stumpy, my buddy has a Brown Trek Fuel EX9. See you up there!

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    So, how'd it go?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny No.5 View Post
    So, how'd it go?
    It was sick! Loved every minute of it. We mostly stayed on the Western Territory since it was pretty wet on the basin side. Our favorite line was 10 Gallon, Judi Chop, Ninja Bob, Ball-N-Jack, Powerline.

    We got some Gopro footage, but the first day it was on the handlebars(shaky), then we got a chest mount but it was pointed down at the handle bars, and on the last day we got it all figured out and the stinking Gopro wouldnt record!


    We were so muddy on Friday, the hotel tried to charge us an extra $50 because the maids told them we were putting our bikes in the bathtub! hahaha!
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