Had history channel on this morning and modern marvels: worlds strongest was on. It's a little old (2008) but my first time seeing it. They had darren berrecloth on it with his demo 8. They show how the frames made and the strength of the different parts of the frame. Also hard foes bikes on there. Both company's were claiming to have bombproof frames but only specialized showed there frame tests. Definitely worth checking out if u can find it. I was pretty pumped just to see them acknowledge DH Bikes and the how gnarly they've become.