• 12-26-2012
    Aust95
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    I am destroying too many saddles...need strong non-pig-like saddle suggestion
    SDG saddles ti and cro-mo rails last me 3 to 5 rides before the saddles collapse into my rail mount Thomson seatpost. The rails either get bent (usually at the rear section (even when I clamp within the limits of the marking on the rail) or if the rails don't get bent, they sort of fold inward and collapse into the seat. The seat then sags rearward.

    I have a graveyard of 5 SDG saddles with broken and bent rails. The others I've thrown away or sent back.

    I've wasted WTB (higher end and lower end saddles) and SDG, total damaging about 12 in the recent past.

    Help me. I'm only 155 lbs.:madman:

    Is I-beam the only option for me?
  • 12-26-2012
    The Beater
    you should try an Ibeam post and saddle, I don't think they can "bend"
  • 12-26-2012
    DHgnaR
    WTF are you doing to destroy so many saddles?
  • 12-26-2012
    DHgnaR
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by The Beater View Post
    you should try an Ibeam post and saddle, I don't think they can "bend"

    When they go they snap, usually leaving sharp material behind to mangle your man bits... not to say traditional saddles can't, but usually they just bend.
    This guy's doing something wrong, there's no way you can go through saddles this often and not be doing something weird.
  • 12-26-2012
    SV11
    I agree with DHgnaR, the OP is doing something wrong, or he crashes a lot. Going through that many saddles is not normal. The same thing wil happen with Ibeam saddles, you need to find out what you're doing wrong.
  • 12-26-2012
    Aust95
    I usually find the rails bent after I go on a routine ride that involves various drops to flat or near flat. I don't have my seat post slammed all the way down, nor do I have it XC high either, and my rear has no signs of protest after the event. I do some kick drops on the drop offs that when I land, my bottom ricochets off of the saddle but, again, it doesn't hurt me so I figure it isn't that hard. Plus I'm not a big guy.

    The LBS knows of my tendency to wreck saddles. They've offered to take 2 of the saddles back and then pulled out some behemoth of a seat that weight about 3 pounds and I said NO. It'd make my bike too top heavy. But I did notice on that seat which they called a DH seat that there was a special "S" type bend on the rail at the rear part.
  • 12-26-2012
    Aust95
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by SV11 View Post
    I agree with DHgnaR, the OP is doing something wrong, or he crashes a lot. Going through that many saddles is not normal. The same thing wil happen with Ibeam saddles, you need to find out what you're doing wrong.

    Crashing is not what makes it happen. It's my bum glancing off the seat but that's part of regular riding isn't it? Unavoidable.
  • 12-26-2012
    SV11
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Aust95 View Post
    Crashing is not what makes it happen. It's my bum glancing off the seat but that's part of regular riding isn't it? Unavoidable.


    Yeah it's a regular part of riding, but breaking saddles isn't.
    It's kind of hard to gauge where the issue is without seeing you ride firsthand.
    Bouncing off the saddle while doing kick drops on the drop offs could be a major contributor.
    Saddles aren't really designed to bounce off.
  • 12-26-2012
    shwinn8
    lower the seat more?
  • 12-26-2012
    legking
    I have the same problem and have noticed my saddles pointed slightly downward. I'm now considering getting a large/wide and comfortable, Bell gel seat.
  • 12-26-2012
    arkon11
    Troll.
  • 12-26-2012
    SHIVER ME TIMBERS
    the problem isn't the seats...the problem is the rider and his riding errors....

    you are supposed to absorb the shock/force of a drop with your legs...even if you have 10 inches suspension

    do not sit on your seat when doing drops...if you can't do this then lower your seat or get a smaller seat...but the basic rule is.....

    you sit on your seat + do a drop = figure broken seat
  • 12-26-2012
    On3_kn0WN
    Not to mention you state your backside doesn't hurt... but at your weight, to bend that many rails on seats... it has to be compressing your spine to some degree... with every impact. I'd suggest lowering the seat some more like the others. I'm no doctor but this doesn't seem right.
  • 12-26-2012
    Aust95
    Well, this is a legitimate issue I'm having.

    I should probably work in softening my landing by technique. I have tried though. Doing drop offs at speed never did this to my saddles, just when I started doing more the kick wheelie drops.
  • 12-26-2012
    shwinn8
    take a run or two without the seat .. remember, a bike might have 8in. of travel but injunction with the body it's more
  • 12-26-2012
    zarr
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Aust95 View Post
    Crashing is not what makes it happen. It's my bum glancing off the seat but that's part of regular riding isn't it? Unavoidable.

    Who is "bum" ?:confused:
    Nah,seriously...what seatpost are you using? Have you tried changing that?
    Are you using a DH seatpost? (Azonic,etc.)?
  • 12-26-2012
    Aust95
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by zarr View Post
    Who is "bum" ?:confused:
    Nah,seriously...what seatpost are you using? Have you tried changing that?
    Are you using a DH seatpost? (Azonic,etc.)?

    Thomson elite seatpost.

    I thought about a Syntace P6 alloy seatpost because it specifically states that it was designed with a longer clamp to hold more of the rail to disperse the forces better to prevent bending but I'm not sure if it'll actually work and the post is pricey.

    Do DH specific seatposts have a larger clamp area?
  • 12-26-2012
    aedubber
    Fix your riding or just slam your seat all the way down .
  • 12-26-2012
    ronnyg801
    I-beam or BMX pivotal

    Or learn how to not be a hack
  • 12-26-2012
    zarr
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Aust95 View Post
    Thomson elite seatpost.

    I thought about a Syntace P6 alloy seatpost because it specifically states that it was designed with a longer clamp to hold more of the rail to disperse the forces better to prevent bending but I'm not sure if it'll actually work and the post is pricey.

    Do DH specific seatposts have a larger clamp area?

    Try the Syntace...You must be a very powerful rider to do these things.What bike/wheels do you use?
  • 12-26-2012
    C S
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Aust95 View Post
    hey've offered to take 2 of the saddles back and then pulled out some behemoth of a seat that weight about 3 pounds and I said NO. It'd make my bike too top heavy. But I did notice on that seat which they called a DH seat that there was a special "S" type bend on the rail at the rear part.

    Yeah.... :cool:

    I have broken one seat in my life and it was when I first started and did a wheelie drop on my xc bike with the seat too high. The seat didn't hurt, but the post sure did :p Lower that **** and absorb with your legs.
  • 12-26-2012
    Mountain Cycle Shawn
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by SHIVER ME TIMBERS View Post
    the problem isn't the seats...the problem is the rider and his riding errors....

    you are supposed to absorb the shock/force of a drop with your legs...even if you have 10 inches suspension

    do not sit on your seat when doing drops...if you can't do this then lower your seat or get a smaller seat...but the basic rule is.....

    you sit on your seat + do a drop = figure broken seat

    + 100%^. The only time your seat and ass should touch is on smooth, bump free ground. Any other time, you should be standing.

    This reminds me of a definition of something, can't remember what. It goes something like: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. Try something different this time!
  • 12-26-2012
    shwinn8
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Mountain Cycle Shawn View Post

    Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

    :thumbsup: .. No tv and no beer make Homer go something something....
  • 12-26-2012
    zarr
    OP-
    Just keep on experimenting til you get he right combo.And keep Mr.Bum off your seat at he right times.:nono:
    :):thumbsup:
  • 12-26-2012
    Moosey
    I bent 2 seats in my life, 1 going otb in a rock garden, and the saddle popped off the rails... it was weird.

    The other when I was working on supermans, but my nuts took more of a blow than the seat... still bent the rails beyond use.

    Now I'm getting into street and riding a hardtail. Try is sometime. I tried a 5 foot drop to flat. Bout tore myself a new butthole. But now I never seat bounce when landing anything (not that I ever did before). But I just worked my way back up to the 5 footer doing smaller drops to flat, focusing on leg strength when landing. Now I can do it no problem.
  • 12-26-2012
    Mountain Cycle Shawn
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by shwinn8 View Post
    :thumbsup: .. No tv and no beer make Homer go something something....

    Yeah, that's it, thanks!
  • 12-27-2012
    mgv101
    I used to bend seat rails a lot when I first started riding downhill since my legs were like noodles and I tend to sit a lot with my bum pounding on the seat as I go through rock gardens when I am tired.

    As i band-aid to my lack of skills/strength, I started using saddles with 8mm rails which are MUCH stronger and are MUCH MUCH more difficult to bend (don't think I have managed to bend one yet actually). Unfortunately, most 8mm DH saddles are heavy and uncomfortable until I started using the Tioga Spyder D saddle.

    The Spyder D was relatively cheap, strong, light and surprisingly comfortable for sitting and pedaling on flat ground but once on a DH track it would bump and bruise up my inner thighs badly if I am lazy and just sit through rough stuff. Because it really does punishes you HARD when you hit the saddle, it quickly trains you up to stop sitting or bumping into it while riding through the rough.

    Now my riding is much more fluid since I my ass is no longer glued to the saddle and the 8mm rails really does give the saddle strength and prevent it from bending. At 175g, it is also one of the lightest saddle within its price range (if you really do care about weight).
  • 12-27-2012
    Tone's
    Id suggest buying DH saddles, they are made a lot tougher, im rocking a THE DH saddle, while its not to comfortable its a damn tough saddle.
  • 12-27-2012
    saturnine
    ride with a post and no saddle and i bet you won't be landing improperly anymore.
  • 12-27-2012
    DYI01
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by saturnine View Post
    ride with a post and no saddle and i bet you won't be landing improperly anymore.

    :D I second this.
  • 12-27-2012
    aedubber
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by saturnine View Post
    ride with a post and no saddle and i bet you won't be landing improperly anymore.

    Well unless thats his " thang " :D:D
  • 12-27-2012
    Aust95
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by zarr View Post
    Try the Syntace...You must be a very powerful rider to do these things.What bike/wheels do you use?

    I use regular wheels nothing super beefy. Stans Flow EX on an Mojo HD. DT Swiss EX5.1 on a Nomad. I9 Enduro build on a Nicolai AFR.

    Contrary to the impression I might have conveyed of how I ride, I'm a semi-smooth rider and my friends would probably say I'm not a hack rider. I've been biking for over 15 years so I've developed some skills at least.
  • 12-27-2012
    Mishtar
    Maybe try out one of these seat posts?

    Seatposts
  • 12-27-2012
    Glide the Clyde
    It's your technique. It gets you to the bottom. Keep riding the same way and blowing up saddles.
  • 12-27-2012
    Gemini2k05
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Aust95 View Post
    I hate to

    Contrary to the impression I might have conveyed of how I ride, I'm a semi-smooth rider and my friends would probably say I'm not a hack rider. I've been biking for over 15 years so I've developed some skills at least.

    I hate to tell you this, but breaking lots of seats is basically the definition of a low skill/hack rider. You need to stop sitting down all the time and build up your leg/core/arm/everything strength.
  • 12-27-2012
    Aust95
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    Quote:

    Originally Posted by saturnine View Post
    ride with a post and no saddle and i bet you won't be landing improperly anymore.

    Thank you.
  • 12-27-2012
    shwinn8
    sometimes you have to, you know, think out of the box and try something different. just remember, you made the post seeking a potential cause for multiple broken seats. you were probably looking for an answer that would result in product defect but the common feedback from many has been riding technique. change can take time, just takes practice...
  • 12-27-2012
    Gemini2k05
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by shwinn8 View Post
    sometimes you have to, you know, think out of the box and try something different. just remember, you made the post seeking a potential cause for multiple broken seats. you were probably looking for an answer that would result in product defect but the common feedback from many has been riding technique. change can take time, just takes practice...

    I like this guy.

    Also, I think I've literally never heard of someone breaking multiple seats. And I've rarely seen anyone break a single seat.
  • 12-27-2012
    shiggy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Aust95 View Post
    I use regular wheels nothing super beefy. Stans Flow EX on an Mojo HD. DT Swiss EX5.1 on a Nomad. I9 Enduro build on a Nicolai AFR.

    Contrary to the impression I might have conveyed of how I ride, I'm a semi-smooth rider and my friends would probably say I'm not a hack rider. I've been biking for over 15 years so I've developed some skills at least.

    If you are breaking things that others do not, the issue is you, not the thing that is breaking. You either adjust your technique, or keep replacing broken parts.
  • 12-27-2012
    shwinn8
    lower the post so all you can read is " THOM" or '' THO ''
  • 12-27-2012
    Mountain Cycle Shawn
    There is a slight possibility that there is something wrong with the post. Try a different one and see what happens.
  • 12-27-2012
    morozka1
    Probably riding sitting on the seat while going over obstacles.
    Are you getting of your seat when you are going over the obstacles or doing jumps? If not than that is whats causing them to break. Start riding on your pedals while going over stuff and you will solve your problem.
  • 12-27-2012
    rep_1969
    I've bent few rails in my days of DH. When I get really tired on a run, I'll sit down and pedal on the "flat" parts of a trail. This will in time bend the rails because when you're going that fast, even a smooth stretch of trail will put considerable strain on the rails when seated. Now if you're doing this on drops, that's just odd. You shouldn't be contacting your seat on jumps and drops.
  • 12-27-2012
    NoahColorado
    I broke a saddle once....pelvis too. :)
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  • 12-27-2012
    The Beater
    IF your bike is a mojo then you should buy a dropped post you will be able to drop it when you need
  • 12-27-2012
    csermonet
    Gotta be user error or you are somehow installing them incorrectly. Never in my 10+ years have i broken a seat. Even crashing and sending my bike flying down the hill, never has one broken. Was previously on I-beam wtb, and now regular rails with a wtb devo
  • 12-27-2012
    87xjmike
    i like the lounge. Its BEASTLY

    Azonic Lounge Seat Saddle Reviews
  • 12-27-2012
    J:
    Land on your ass??
    You're gonna slip a disc or give yourself ED
  • 12-27-2012
    bitewerks
    The Sette Strike DH saddle lasted me a long time. I went from it to a Chromag Lynx & the Sette has larger diameter rails than the Chromag plus the Sette is cheap. I think it's called the Strike.. I bought it after destroying a saddle when the bike flipped into a tree.
  • 12-27-2012
    saturnine
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Mountain Cycle Shawn View Post
    There is a slight possibility that there is something wrong with the post. Try a different one and see what happens.

    nothing wrong with the post. it's a thomson.