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    GOVT ban on pee wee dirtbikes?

    Pretty sure this is legit. What is our country coming to?

    http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/...wa8AwD96C71JO0

    Here's some discussion on it:
    http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/m...tml?1234892642


    More: http://wheels.blogs.nytimes.com/2009.../dirt-bikes-2/

    This is BS.

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    Keep in mind this law affects BMX bikes, which flat out sucks.
    The goverment wants to take away you 20's and 24's!

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    heard about this and it's rediculously stupid
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    I like their reasoning...has too many parts...IMA EAT THIS MINIBIKE OM NOM NOM NOM NOM...
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    IMA EAT THIS MINIBIKE OM NOM NOM NOM NOM...
    ik dude minibike is my favorite! I expecially like the kawi's, honda's don't have that same "zing." Although you can get the same basic flavor if you add some tabasco sauce to the air filter.

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    Have any of you ever met kids who eat their dirtbikes and bmx bikes?

    not me

    Have any of you ever even remotely heard about kids who eat their dirtbikes and bmx bikes?

    not me

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    hahahahahahhaahahhahahahahahaha

    "I think they took this law a little too far," said Margie Hicklin-Krsul, the owner of Redline Sports, a sports bike dealership in Butte. "I've never had anyone come in and say, 'My child keeps putting parts of his motorcycle into his mouth.'"

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    I'm pretty sure i read somewhere yesterday that bikes were excluded - its part of the classification thing. I'll try and dig it up.
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    from the thread on the dj/urban section of the forums:
    In addition, as part of the staff’s proposed approach, the CPSC staff looked to the definition of “toy” in the ASTM F963-07 toy safety standard for guidance.7 The CPSIA makes ASTM F963 a mandatory CPSC standard on February 10, 2009. ASTM F963 excludes certain types of articles from the definition of toy:

    Bicycles

    Tricycles

    Sling shots and sharp-pointed darts

    Playground equipment

    Non-powder guns

    Kites

    Art materials, model kits, and hobby items in which the finished products is not primarily of play value8

    Sporting goods, camping goods, athletic equipment, musical instruments, and furniture, except for toy versions of these

    Powered models of aircraft, rockets, boats, and land vehicles
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    Quote Originally Posted by kamikazee ideki
    from the thread on the dj/urban section of the forums:
    In addition, as part of the staff’s proposed approach, the CPSC staff looked to the definition of “toy” in the ASTM F963-07 toy safety standard for guidance.7 The CPSIA makes ASTM F963 a mandatory CPSC standard on February 10, 2009. ASTM F963 excludes certain types of articles from the definition of toy:

    Bicycles

    Tricycles

    Sling shots and sharp-pointed darts

    Playground equipment

    Non-powder guns

    Kites

    Art materials, model kits, and hobby items in which the finished products is not primarily of play value8

    Sporting goods, camping goods, athletic equipment, musical instruments, and furniture, except for toy versions of these

    Powered models of aircraft, rockets, boats, and land vehicles
    Sadly, they classified BMX bikes as toys. Funny, Olympic sport gear classified as toys. Donno about the minibikes though. This will be a disaster if any challenges fail.

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    http://www.wbaltv.com/video/18479590/index.html LOL, they have 100 field investigators. So just flagrantly break the law? They probably will never catch you.

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    I thought a bmx was a bike? It clearly says bikes are excluded from these new rules, and a bmx has all the things a mtb has so they cant claim otherwise.

    OR can they?
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    Awwwww or they could stop putting lead into BMX bikes? That'd be too easy...

    The lead free thing is not new...

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    Quote Originally Posted by essenmeinstuff
    Awwwww or they could stop putting lead into BMX bikes? That'd be too easy...

    The lead free thing is not new...
    From what I read, the issue was that there was going to be substantial costs involved in certifying an item didn't have lead, and that could put small manufacturers out of business.

    Also seems bicycles are excempt, but what about aftermarket bicycle parts?

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    I work as a consultant for the powersports industry, and this is kind of a big deal for us. This ban is no joke, all my dealers are crapping their pants- all kids bikes are off the showroom floor. Some dealerships look empty. The mfgs won't take them back, so dealers are stuck w/ units they can't sell, but must still pay the floor plan on.

    The best part is that everyone knew this was coming, and as far as I can tell the industry did NOTHING- no lobbying, no complaints to the government, no attempts to get exemptions, nothing at all from dealers or manufacturers. They all just sat and hoped it would go away. Probably a bad course of action

    At least the BMX industry had the presence of mind to s*** a brick over this, as far as I can tell the moto industry just cracked another beer and ignored it.

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    Wow, I guess the politicians weren't the only people being retarded in this.

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    What are they going to do with all the hobby stuff? Everything from model planes and cars and batteries have lead in it. Are they going to take everything away?

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    Wow, what is going on in this country?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Combatcm
    What are they going to do with all the hobby stuff? Everything from model planes and cars and batteries have lead in it. Are they going to take everything away?
    Seems like those are not included in the definition of "toys" per kamikazee's post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ebarker9
    Seems like those are not included in the definition of "toys" per kamikazee's post.
    Ok ok i misread, haha you cant get any closer to a toy than that

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    Quote Originally Posted by alant
    Wow, what is going on in this country?
    I guess we're getting the "Change" we asked for. Thank you liberals.

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    Something tells me this was put in the works long before O came to office. This is Bush era legislation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mykel
    Something tells me this was put in the works long before O came to office. This is Bush era legislation.

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    Yes. And neither side seems to has any problem creating unnecessary laws to "protect us from ourselves".

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    Quote Originally Posted by mykel
    This is Bush era legislation.

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    If this bill was written in the past two years then it would have been crafted in a Democrat controlled House/Senate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alant
    Wow, what is going on in this country?
    Ever hear of socialism?

    there is said it!

    Big brother just wants to mk sure everyone is going to be safe

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    Quote Originally Posted by norton05
    I work as a consultant for the powersports industry, and this is kind of a big deal for us. This ban is no joke, all my dealers are crapping their pants- all kids bikes are off the showroom floor. Some dealerships look empty. The mfgs won't take them back, so dealers are stuck w/ units they can't sell, but must still pay the floor plan on.

    The best part is that everyone knew this was coming, and as far as I can tell the industry did NOTHING- no lobbying, no complaints to the government, no attempts to get exemptions, nothing at all from dealers or manufacturers. They all just sat and hoped it would go away. Probably a bad course of action

    At least the BMX industry had the presence of mind to s*** a brick over this, as far as I can tell the moto industry just cracked another beer and ignored it.
    Actually, Kawasaki told us that they are not charging floor plan fees on these units, but there will be no refund for these units. So, here we sit with $20,000 + in "poison" bikes that cant be sold. None the less it really is a stinkin joke.

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    **** america. go ahead and bash me. the economy is horrible, powersport industry is in shitty shape and now they are stuck with this.

    If my skimming of those articles was correct this applies to vehicles under 100cc only? so most of the ssr, & sikk etc pit bikes are not affected because most of them are 125cc

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    Would it be good if both the Congress and Senate building just exploded 1 day with all those clowns inside?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gemini2k05
    http://www.wbaltv.com/video/18479590/index.html LOL, they have 100 field investigators. So just flagrantly break the law? They probably will never catch you.
    Hmmm... What's that plant in the background?

    I am thoroughly lost as to why everyone is so tangled up in protecting children.
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    I think everyone needs to look at the bigger picture here- our government just crippled a huge industry(that is going to cost many jobs) while our country is already experiencing the second biggest economic crises in our countries history! They have done this under the guise of "protecting children". It doesn't take much brain power for these criminals in washington DC to realize that this law, in no way is protecting children from lead poisoning(which is it's intended purpose). They simply don't care if we have the freedom to take our kids out riding or not. It has been my experience that people who get into government aren't there because of some feeling of duty to their fellow citizens. They do it because they love the power trip, and they feel they need to save us from ourselves- after all, we're just not quite as enlightened as they are. I'm sure the M/C industry sat back in waiting because they thought "our government would never let such a harmful law go into effect would they? I mean, after all, kids don't get lead poisoning from motorcycles". Well guess what, they have. And they will do it again and again until we as a nation wake up to this EVIL that his hidden in sheep's clothing. I know that sounds dramatic, but it's true.

    What does this have to do with us? Well the elitists in DC aren't going to stop until all these activities are taken away. Don't believe me? Look up the omnibus legislation. If we let this types of legislation continue pass, MTB'ers will be in the cross hairs soon. It won't be an overt attempt like "ban MTB's". It will be something back handed- like "stop human impact on our woodlands" "Chemicals used in tire manufacturing are poisoning our lakes" "A huge tax on all aluminum from Asia because they wont comply to carbon taxing."

    Earlier this year, there was a plan to place a 100% tax on all European motorcycles. This would have doubled the price on all Imported motorcycles from Europe, and basically put all these brands out of business(and all the people that work for these companies out of a job). Why? Because the U.S. is pissed off at the EU countries who wont import US beef. The FDA allows US beef producers to inject our cows with growth hormone. This is not done in Europe. So Eu has banned US beef I'm not making this up people- look it up!

    We as a country need to stop segregating ourselves away for other groups. You may not have kids who ride- but in the long run, if you don't do something about this, it will effect you too.

    Sorry for the rant, but the U S A needs to WAKE UP!!!!!

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    You can bet that some senators wife is behind this chain of events.

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    Idea!

    Quote Originally Posted by thesmokingman
    You can bet that some senators wife is behind this chain of events.
    "timmy if you go over that anderson boys house i don't want you to ride that little motorcycle of his you'll get lead poisoning"

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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckie108


    Sorry for the rant, but the U S A needs to WAKE UP!!!!!
    the problem is the US has most of us too brainwashed and afraid to do anything about. IMO the best thing we can do is move out of the country.

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    Quote from article:
    "They also say the ban will discourage families from introducing young riders to the sport."

    Bingo, one of the hidden motives for the law is revealed. Think Pelosi, Feinstein, Boxer and other anti-OHV liberals like ATV's and dirt bikes? Hell no, what better way to cut down on their use than stopping users from the start.

    Just like the new CO2 vehicle emission laws, the dems couldn't get the high mileage standards they wanted so they used a different, stealthy approach: limit the amount of CO2 emitted by a vehicle. CO2 emission is directly related to the amount of gas burned, so there you go, de facto mileage standards under the guise of controlling pollution, though technically CO2 isn't a pollutant, since all plants on the earth need it to thrive.
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    Sounds like our politicians have been eating lead paint flakes for breakfast.

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    A stay of certification has been issued (until February 2010 from my understanding) for manufacturers except in regards to :


    * Jewelry
    * Motorized vehicles for kids
    * Plastics that contain phthalates
    * Children’s books printed before 1985
    * Fabrics that aren’t completely natural (this includes things that have printing on them)
    * Lead in paint
    * Certain toy standards
    * Cribs and baby walkers
    * Pacifiers
    * Small parts in products for kids under 3

    Certain metals, gems and fabrics are exempt from testing. Please see the CPSC chart for details.

    Even though manufacturers can delay certification on some things until next February, RETAILERS AND THRIFT STORES ARE NOT EXEMPT FROM GETTING FINED. Yes, if you sell something that fails the new standards you could still be facing up to a $250,000 fine even though the manufacturers don’t have to certify until next year.

    If you sell used books for children, you are no longer allowed to sell any book printed before 1985 because it is possible that the ink contained lead. Now would probably be a good time to go through the dumpsters at your local Goodwill and library.

    The Homeschool Legal Defense Fund sent out a memo to their members saying that the CPSC had given them a verbal statement that they won’t be fining anyone until next year. Sounds great, right? Nope. Here’s why:

    * A verbal agreement with a specific group unassociated with you is unlikely to stand up in court.
    * State attorney generals don’t have to follow the CPSC exceptions. They are free to enforce the law as written. The AGs of CT, AZ and CA have already stated that they are going to enforce the law as written.
    * The CPSC itself has said that the various statements it has issued are not law and are subject to interpretation by AGs, courts and Congress.
    * In the current economic climate, the lure of $100,000 and up fines to boost up government coffers is pretty tempting so agressive enforcement may be more enticing.
    * The CPSC has announced the creation of a task force to monitor online sites like Ebay and Craig’s List for possible violators. If they aren’t going to enforce until next year, why are they setting this up now? It seems like a waste of money and manpower to me.

    There's speculation on another board that this can spill over to adult ATV's and motorcycles as well based of the vage way part of the law is written.

    It seems like each week for the past few months we who enjoy motorized recreation have been under major attack. BS like this REALLY gets my blood boiling.

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    I am SO freaking tired of this "Save them from themselves" BULLSH!T!!!!!! For goodness sake! If I shove a screwdriver in my eye, it's my own damn fault. NOT the mfg for failing to "warn me properly." If I'm stupid enough to shove a screwdriver in my eye, then maybe I deserve to be blind! Ever heard of Survival of the Fittest? Same concept.

    I think the lead in kids books and stuff is legit, but they've taken this to the extreme. It's not like there's thousands of kids dieing from lead poisoning. According to the CDC "the lowest mortality rates were among children less than 15 years old (CDC 2008)" for unintentional poisonings (Taken from http://www.cdc.gov/ncipc/factsheets/poisoning.htm). This is a direct blow to the ORV and BMX industry.

    PISSES ME OFF! I HATE POLITICS!! DC is full of a bunch of good clean fun ruiners.

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    Is this the lead content...I dont feel like reading right now; just got done with a long epic solo ride. However, if this IS what I think it is, it sucks! I had to pull about $300K worth of mini bikes and atvs off the floor of my dealership as well as about $50K worth of pee-wee and youth riding gear and helmets! So far, FOX has released that they contain no lead...but thats it thus far.

    The people that got that passed, this is their actual argument they convinced a jury with:

    "...what if that 5-12 year old individual, after having fun riding their atv or dirtbike, disassembled the engine and put the piston in their mouth?..."

    ......REALLY? Are you F*ing kidding me? As if it were made from lego's? This being because the ONLY content in the ATV's and dirtbikes is found in the piston.
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    Take action

    I know there are a lot of people on here as pissed off as I am. Go to this link and let the bastards in government know how you feel about their actions.

    http://capwiz.com/amacycle/issues/al...ertid=12661926

    We can complain and do nothing, or we can complain and at least take a little action.

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