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    Gee wins, Bulldog second, Stevie third.

    Although the big story is Hill sixth, Gwin twentieth. Whilst it's probably (hopefully) a blip it's pretty much instant death for the Demo's image as a race bike, worse is that Gwin's run didn't look bad, no damage, no almost crash, fast, consistent, almost nine seconds down at the track he won last year. Ouch.

    Either Gwin (or Brosnan) wins next week or the Spesh team have to ask some serious questions about how they go about racing.

    Conversely it pretty much vindicates whatever TWR are doing behind the scenes, two new riders, second and tenth.

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    i dont think you could put a nail in the demo's race coffin after one result. Im certainly interested to hear Gwin's thoughts though after that result, certainly not what I was expecting though. Happy for the Athertons though, esp Rachel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vikingboy View Post
    i dont think you could put a nail in the demo's race coffin after one result.
    I was thinking more about the amount of noise Spesh have made pre-season and their positively Trek baiting attitude when the announced Gwin.

    It's not really one result either, it's several years of Hill's under performing, plus his apparent return to the top ten, plus this result. People have been asking for a couple of years what was wrong with Sam Hill, now the answer is that there's nothing wrong with Sam Hill, so it must have been the bike. Gwin coming twentieth, blip or not, only reinforces the assumption. Right or wrong that is what people will think.

    Personally I think it's the team rather than the equipment, between Fairclough and Hill they've made it clear they don't know how to look after their riders properly when things don't go their way. I voiced that exact concern when they announced Gwin, if he doesn't win next week it'll only bear out that concern further.

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    The results look almost right where we left off last year.
    Smith and Bulldog on top, Hill slowly coming back, and Gee back to form.

    With only 5 races, it's gonna be tight.

    Gwin is going to have a bad season sooner or later.

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    Some good points Spade. Its great to see Hill back to some shape of form for sure but I seem to recall his time on spec was more often than not injured, although I could be wrong or those injuries could be a result of being on a huck machine!
    Im sure Gwin must have tested on the Demo pre-season and if he was that far off the pace compared to his previous years results then something done to close that 9 second gap he was off the pace by today. I mean, look what GT did with the last gen Fury, they patched that thing up into something which was competitive. Specialised are so savy to the marketing angle, I dont believe they would not have let today happen today if 1) they knew it was going to happen and 2) there was nothing they could do to avoid it. On todays performance, the Demo did not look competitive by any stretch of imagination but I cant imagine the bike alone could make that much of a difference, perhaps Gwin just had an off day or perhaps hes ill or injured too?
    Next week will be interesting for sure....but i bet Spec are doing everything they can to address todays result and make sure there isnt a repeat performance. Sure makes things interesting today though and great to see some flesh blood challenging for the podium.

    PS I bet there's some cheap Demo's going to come up if Gwin doesnt sort it out!

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    Erm, Hill came 4th last year on a Demo. And the impression is that 6th is a return to form?

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    Conversely, how much of a contribution did the new Fury make to give Gee his first WC win in ages?

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    Did Gee ever place outside the top 5 last year? Rachel looks even more fit than last year.
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    Im sure any of those bikes can WIN at any course , there are so many variables and especially on that track . Basically you needed to be pinned ALL OUT the whole way down with ZERO errors. I saw a lot of riders sitting down , scrubbing some speed , small little errors , etc that slowed them down . Everyone has good and bad days . Gee was tearing **** up on that course lol that dude was GONEEE , impressive .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fix the Spade View Post
    I was thinking more about the amount of noise Spesh have made pre-season and their positively Trek baiting attitude when the announced Gwin.

    It's not really one result either, it's several years of Hill's under performing, plus his apparent return to the top ten, plus this result. People have been asking for a couple of years what was wrong with Sam Hill, now the answer is that there's nothing wrong with Sam Hill, so it must have been the bike. Gwin coming twentieth, blip or not, only reinforces the assumption. Right or wrong that is what people will think.

    Personally I think it's the team rather than the equipment, between Fairclough and Hill they've made it clear they don't know how to look after their riders properly when things don't go their way. I voiced that exact concern when they announced Gwin, if he doesn't win next week it'll only bear out that concern further.
    Haha! What a load of crap. First of all, Hill and Brosnan won WChamps on Demos, both have been injured and recovering over the last few seasons too. Hill was 4th at Fort William last year. And Brendog was a constant podium racer on the Demo until he did his knee. Now he's at Scott and is nowhere near it.

    Manipulate the results as much as you want to try to justify your anti Specialized agenda, but you just sound like an ignorant tool.

    Gwin was the problem yesterday, and no one knows why yet. The radio silence is interesting though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yippee_Ki_YayMF View Post
    Manipulate the results as much as you want to try to justify your anti Specialized agenda,.
    I love you too.

    However, I specifically said I didn't think it was the bike, but the team, the team isn't Specialized, it used to be Iron Horse, Spesh are the sponsor, not the owners.

    Also, back when Brendan was injured, the team told him he either raced or didn't get paid (against doctor's orders). That exacerbated his injury and ended up with him needing surgery, not to mention a year and a half's bad results.

    That team has a problem, it's not the bike, it's not Spesh, it's the team management. They don't seem to know how to look after their investments, although no doubt if they treat Gwin like they have treated Fairclough and Hill Spesh might have a word or two to say about it and how much money they want to spend in future. There's no shortage of great teams running Spesh gear who would leap at a shot at World Cups

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    I was never happy about Gwin going to Specialized. Never been a Specialized fan due to the way the company "got it's start". . . . Look into it some time. However, I do hope that Gwin can win this year. Who knows, maybe he's just out of shape, or maybe it IS the bike, who knows.

    That track looks like "jack-hammer hell" to me though. YIKES.

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    The next revision of the the Demo is gonna be called "Legend-killer".
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    Specialized...like 'em or not...makes a pretty good bike. I tend to think team management is probably a bigger factor than the bike itself. It was clear at the end of last season that there were a lot of guys right on the pace and that if Gwin didn't find another gear, this year was going to be a lot more competitive. I picked Gee to win this year some where on these boards.

    I think the story of last weekend was Rachel killing it on the women's side. If she doesn't get hurt and doesn't flat out anywhere I think she could sweep the season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by katsooba View Post
    The next revision of the the Demo is gonna be called "Legend-killer".
    they should revise that whiny little video they put out about, "we had 8 months off and taking it easy", "we're just having fun" and "its just a bike race". holy crap, whose paying him hundreds of thousands of dollars so he can have fun and slack off? get serious will ya!

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