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    DVO SUSPENSION Emerald Review...

    Been riding mine for 2 weeks and this is what I have so far. Trails have been bumpy, rockgardens, and turns. No drops so far. Will have more reviews in a few more weeks. Plus two other rider reviews.

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    I like to set my fork up super soft. The only problem with that is the fork dives in the corners. If you make your fork stiff then you lose small bumb sensitivity. Fork will bounce through the chatter. It is hard to find a balance between brake dive and small bump sensitivity.

    The Emerald solves that problem. you set your fork a little stiff (at least for my riding..then they have this knob on the top left of fork (Called OTT=Off The Top) that you turn in...(This is important because I went wrong way in beginning). You think logically you would back off...but you tighten the OTT for more small bump sensitivity...and oh Nelly !!! this softens up the first few inches of travel...so you get the small bump sensitivity without brake dive into corners.

    What I have found so far. Is the fork tracks amazingly through the chatter. You don't feel the arm pump as much because the fork absorbs the bumps like crazy. Very nice feel in heavy rock gardens.

    Cornering is a new story for me. I am use to brake dive because the way I set up forks soft. So it took me a few runs to get use to it. (ok more then a few) because I was "springing out of the turn. First thing is when you trust the fork you can feel the momentum coming out of a bermed turn. So you actually ride faster because of this energy carries you to the straitaway.

    So far I love the fork. The cons are the price and the weight. The weight is 7.11 pounds, but honestly, you don't feel the difference of the added weight. I understand why DVO made the fork a little heavier then most forks. DVO can't make something very lite because if it failed then they would be out of business. The price is up there too, but I remember complaining buying a 500 dollar bike and now I buy over $5,000.00 dollar bikes. If you told me 13 years ago that I would be spending that kind of dough I would have laughed. Hopefully they can get a better pricepoint when more are available.

    Sidenote 1: compared to the Dorado. The Emerald is stiffer and more plush. Plus in 2 years of research the Emerald hasn't had one seal go bad - like some other forks

    Sidenote 2: I always compare things to a Shiver because they were so plush. I said things like it feels plush like a Shiver. This fork is better then a Shiver...way better. I found my home.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SHIVER ME TIMBERS View Post
    Been riding mine for 2 weeks....

    ........ Plus in 2 years of research the Emerald hasn't had one seal go bad - like some other forks
    The fork just came out and you've only had it for 2 weeks, so how can you come up with that conclusion?

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    Quote Originally Posted by the-one1 View Post
    The fork just came out and you've only had it for 2 weeks, so how can you come up with that conclusion?
    asked Ronnie at DVO.....that is why I wrote 2 years of research
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    Quote Originally Posted by SHIVER ME TIMBERS View Post
    asked Ronnie at DVO.....that is why I wrote 2 years of research
    Which other forks that fouled seals during their "two years of research" do you speak of?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DHgnaR View Post
    Which other forks that fouled seals during their "two years of research" do you speak of?
    boxxers, dorados
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    Crank Brothers Kronolog also was perfect in its "years of research".
    Just saying during "research time, they won't disclose what went wrong. Everything is good and working

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    Ronnie at DVO knows his shit. If he says two year no failure than that's what it has been.

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    I'm looking at this fork or the Marz 380.
    Price isn't the problem, but the weight difference is. What I'm looking at is 3250g (Emerald with brace) vs. 2750g (380). That's a 1/2 kg difference (more than 1lbs).

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    The DVO uses almost identical seals as the Dorado does.

    Also, if you're worried about a pound on a DH fork, you got your priorities all out of whack.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gemini2k05 View Post
    The DVO uses almost identical seals as the Dorado does.

    Also, if you're worried about a pound on a DH fork, you got your priorities all out of whack.
    You would be surprised what Cat 1 Mid pack racers are worried about on their DH bikes. Forget the fact they wouldn't have stood a chance in Semi Pro but they can barely get a top 5 in what is Expert. but they are sure a 3LBS bike will make them better than NICO ever was.....

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    you don't notice on bike (at least I don't) feels the same as lighter forks (but it is hard to feel a 10 oz difference while riding - 888 ti vs DVO Emerald)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gemini2k05 View Post
    The DVO uses almost identical seals as the Dorado does.

    Also, if you're worried about a pound on a DH fork, you got your priorities all out of whack.
    so what you are saying is not the same but almost identical???
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    Quote Originally Posted by ianjenn View Post
    You would be surprised what Cat 1 Mid pack racers are worried about on their DH bikes. Forget the fact they wouldn't have stood a chance in Semi Pro but they can barely get a top 5 in what is Expert. but they are sure a 3LBS bike will make them better than NICO ever was.....
    true true...people are crazy about weight but won't train
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gemini2k05 View Post
    Also, if you're worried about a pound on a DH fork, you got your priorities all out of whack.
    I agree that weight isn't everything, but 500g isn't nothing either.

    I would probably notice the weight more than I would notice better suspension performance, when compared to a 380.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SHIVER ME TIMBERS View Post
    you don't notice on bike (at least I don't) feels the same as lighter forks (but it is hard to feel a 10 oz difference while riding - 888 ti vs DVO Emerald)
    My Dorado feels lighter than the 888 and 40 I've had. They are pretty much all the same; 6.75 lbs or so. The invert gives less feed back/force/whatever on bumps as there is less weight bouncing around on the wheel side of the suspension.

    Too bad that DVO is so expensive. Looks like a great fork.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ithnu View Post
    My Dorado feels lighter than the 888 and 40 I've had. They are pretty much all the same; 6.75 lbs or so. The invert gives less feed back/force/whatever on bumps as there is less weight bouncing around on the wheel side of the suspension.

    Too bad that DVO is so expensive. Looks like a great fork.
    my 888 ti weighed 7 pounds 2 ounces with axle, and stem. The Emerald weighed 7 pounds 11 ounces

    agree on feed back...less unsprung weight
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    Quote Originally Posted by SHIVER ME TIMBERS View Post
    my 888 ti weighed 7 pounds 2 ounces with axle, and stem. The Emerald weighed 7 pounds 11 ounces

    agree on feed back...less unsprung weight
    I am selling my Fox 40 Float will replace with an Emerald and do a review of it while I have it. Going with a Black version for the baby blue G2.

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    Sweet looking ride you got there SMT. What handle bar is that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob-Bob View Post
    Sweet looking ride you got there SMT. What handle bar is that.
    Already have some different parts like a CCDB and Ti Spring for shock
    Those are Azonic Flow bars

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    maybe it's the angle, but that looks like a whole lot more than a one inch rise...


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    Thanks for the review, I should be getting mine later this week. On a side note about Dorados my friend's fork which is barely 6 months old is leaking oil bad from both legs. I also had a shiver back in the day and it will be nice to see how they compare to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by .WestCoastHucker. View Post
    maybe it's the angle, but that looks like a whole lot more than a one inch rise...
    That's why I asked about them , they look like they have 2" of rise in that picture.

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    somehow i knew that "plush" would be pretty much the extent of your review. i have to admit, you are quite the wordsmith...


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    Quote Originally Posted by SHIVER ME TIMBERS View Post

    Background:
    I like to set my fork up super soft. The only problem with that is the fork dives in the corners. If you make your fork stiff then you lose small bumb sensitivity. Fork will bounce through the chatter. It is hard to find a balance between brake dive and small bump sensitivity.
    Disagree completely with that one. You can set a fork up to be stiff and have support while retaining its small bump, it may be harder to do with external adjusters for some people, but its possible and once you crack open the fork and adjust the shim stack its very possible.

    sounds good though, been keen to hear a long term review of it. More importantly if you still have the old forks do some back to back timed testing to see if it improves your times.

    The OTT is cool though essentially its a negative spring that it adjusted independently of the rest of the forks pressure.
    Good site with some quick explanations of the fork
    Video: Get Up Close With the DVO Emerald

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    Quote Originally Posted by SHIVER ME TIMBERS View Post
    asked Ronnie at DVO.....that is why I wrote 2 years of research
    Has any manufacturer ever gone 'Oh Hell we broke like a million of these things in testing,' when asked how their new product performed during development?

    Quality looks fantastic on the DVO fork, but to me '2 years of research and no failures,' should be read as '2 years of of inappropriate research,'

    Like the Challenger's SRB O Rings always passed the testing without failure. Not that DVO is anything like NASA, it's just the best example of research and development failing to reflect reality I can think of.
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    Dorado owner here
    I can attest to the leaking seals. I love the feel and adjustability, the seals are junk though. Hayes Manitou customer service is Bad. They won't even return my calls.
    Great to hear you are loving the DVO, never hurts to have more quality players in the suspension game.

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    Wow, these things are tough to find north of the 49th. One Alberta dealer in Edmonton (eww), 2 (!) In all of BC. I'm going to have to smuggle one in from the US...
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    Quote Originally Posted by dytrdr5 View Post
    I also had a shiver back in the day and it will be nice to see how they compare to me.
    IMO ...Way better then the Shiver ...way better
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fix the Spade View Post
    Has any manufacturer ever gone 'Oh Hell we broke like a million of these things in testing,' when asked how their new product performed during development?

    Quality looks fantastic on the DVO fork, but to me '2 years of research and no failures,' should be read as '2 years of of inappropriate research,'

    Like the Challenger's SRB O Rings always passed the testing without failure. Not that DVO is anything like NASA, it's just the best example of research and development failing to reflect reality I can think of.
    They been testing the fork for over a year and a half....they could have released it, but wanted to make sure everythinbg was up to par as far as duralbilty and such. I can trust Ronnie...He told me a lot when 2 Marz 888's broke at Red Bull Rampage
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    Your last paragraph is what I was waiting for. I too, was a hard core Shiver fan, and nothing since that fork has felt as plush. I may have to look into one of these. Thanks for the review. Keep us posted as the season progresses.

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    [QUOTE=SHIVER ME TIMBERS;10988825]Been riding mine for 2 weeks and this is what I have so far. Trails have been bumpy, rockgardens, and turns. No drops so far.

    Your homeowners association called. Your neighbors are complaining about your riding on the landscaping, and leaving skid marks on their lawns, and riding in the neighborhood after dark without reflectors...
    When are you going to take that thing out for real ride, put on a few scratches, and some dirt!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ringoesroadking View Post
    Dorado owner here
    I can attest to the leaking seals. I love the feel and adjustability, the seals are junk though. Hayes Manitou customer service is Bad. They won't even return my calls.
    Great to hear you are loving the DVO, never hurts to have more quality players in the suspension game.
    Did you store the fork upside down? I did that for a few months and my seals went to poo. Sent it back to Hayes for the 1 year free service and it's fine now (as I store it the way the instructions say to).
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    Quote Originally Posted by SHIVER ME TIMBERS View Post
    Plus in 2 years of research the Emerald hasn't had one seal go bad - like some other forks

    I literally laughed out loud when I read this. A few test forks didnt leak oil.... good to know. Lets wait and see how the seals perform in the field before statements like this are made.

    Side note, you cant store Dorados upside down(that means hanging too). Most people dont know this and the seals start leaking after 6 months. Properly taken care of, the seals last a few years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mullen119 View Post
    I literally laughed out loud when I read this. A few test forks didnt leak oil.... good to know. Lets wait and see how the seals perform in the field before statements like this are made.

    We're all so used to crap seals.

    Back in the day a Shiver would go 2+ years on the same seals no problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bg. View Post
    We're all so used to crap seals.

    Back in the day a Shiver would go 2+ years on the same seals no problem.
    I have gone 4 years on a lyrik, 3 on a manitou minute, and am going on 3 on a revelation. Not a single drop has leaked out. Proper maintenance keeps forks alive for a long time.

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    That was a good read. OP: Thank you for the review.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mullen119 View Post
    I have gone 4 years on a lyrik, 3 on a manitou minute, and am going on 3 on a revelation. Not a single drop has leaked out. Proper maintenance keeps forks alive for a long time.
    i ran a 2000 Monster T untill 2007 without a single issue. just changed the oil every summer. not a matter of "proper maintenance", marz forks are straight up 'set and forget' and we are all aware that it's the norm. their forks just last forever compared to any other offering out there. sure your forks may have lasted minute with all that maintenance you did on them, but marz owners never have to touch theirs and they still last longer...


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    Quote Originally Posted by .WestCoastHucker. View Post
    i ran a 2000 Monster T untill 2007 without a single issue. just changed the oil every summer. not a matter of "proper maintenance", marz forks are straight up 'set and forget' and we are all aware that it's the norm. their forks just last forever compared to any other offering out there. sure your forks may have lasted minute with all that maintenance you did on them, but marz owners never have to touch theirs and they still last longer...
    yeah had a 2002 Shiver till 2006...just changed the oil every year...never did anything else....they just last without replacing seals or other stuff
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    Quote Originally Posted by SHIVER ME TIMBERS View Post
    yeah had a 2002 Shiver till 2006...just changed the oil every year...never did anything else....they just last without replacing seals or other stuff
    Pink bike blew a seal in their test........

    My point is that saying a fork that has been out for a few weeks has great seals is a ridiculous statement. Only time in the feild can determine this. Not a good start in the field when a seal blows during a test. They may turn out to be great, but we wont know for about a year of real world testing.

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    DVO SUSPENSION Emerald Review...

    Quote Originally Posted by mullen119 View Post
    Pink bike blew a seal in their test........
    I just read that. What they wrote was that a seal had gotten folded over during assembly. It didn't blow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by evasive View Post
    I just read that. What they wrote was that a seal had gotten folded over during assembly. It didn't blow.
    Doroados had a guy installing the oil seal upside down for a while making them go bad quicker. Thats life. Leaky seal is a leaky seal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by evasive View Post
    I just read that. What they wrote was that a seal had gotten folded over during assembly. It didn't blow.
    What does that matter to the end user? They still have to jump through all the same hoops of bad seal. Seems like they're having QC issues with assembly already, on a test fork designated for an write-up lots of people will read none-the-less....

    Also, I'm not trying to bash DVO here, every company has their growing pains and seems like DVO has a strong first showing anyways. I just like messing with Bob and all his "super-informed reviews..."
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    Quote Originally Posted by DHgnaR View Post
    What does that matter to the end user? They still have to jump through all the same hoops of bad seal. Seems like they're having QC issues with assembly already, on a test fork designated for an write-up lots of people will read none-the-less....

    Also, I'm not trying to bash DVO here, every company has their growing pains and seems like DVO has a strong first showing anyways. I just like messing with Bob and all his "super-informed reviews..."
    To that particular end user, it doesn't matter at all, obviously. But to the overall pool of end users, I think it makes a difference whether you're looking at an error in assembly versus a design flaw or a bad batch of seals.
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    Never store the bike upside down. The only time the fork is upsidedown is when its hanging from a lift by the front wheel? I wonder if lift time could be causing the seal leak? Doubt it but you never know

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    Quote Originally Posted by ringoesroadking View Post
    Never store the bike upside down.
    Well, that's just wrong. That will expose a leaky seal but won't cause one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by whodaphuck View Post
    Well, that's just wrong. That will expose a leaky seal but won't cause one.
    Actually it will cause a leaky seal. It says right in the Dorado instruction manual not to store it upside down.
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    whodaphuck is correct. although a dorado stored upside-down will leak, it's because the ability to leak is inherent in the dorado's design no matter which way it's stored...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ithnu View Post
    Actually it will cause a leaky seal. It says right in the Dorado instruction manual not to store it upside down.
    This is correct. Dorado seals will dry out and get small cracks if not kept wet. Storing upside down for weeks at a time is big no no with them(as stated in the manual). Generally speaking, if kept right side up, the seals will last a reasonable amount of time.

    Hanging upside down for short periods of time is no big deal, the problem is only when stored upside down.

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    Will write some thoughts in next few weeks.

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    you got a stick in your rear triangle. might wanna have that looked at...


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