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    DH/park bike for a non-racer?

    I am still new to DH so I am pretty slow and unskilled. I will be moving very close to a bike park, so I'll be there pretty much every weekend when it's open. I plan on getting a dedicated bike for the park, but not sure what I should get...

    Is a full on DH bike built more with the racer in mind? I wouldn't mind getting "fast" at DH, but I don't see it happening any time soon. Also I have no intentions of racing, whether it be DH or otherwise. Would I have more fun at the park on a slightly smaller FR bike?

    I'm looking at a used KHS Lucky 7. Would that suffice for what I'd be using it for? At least for a season or two?

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    Really depends on the park...
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    Northstar will be the one I'm living near. However I'll likely hit a few others up on the move out there. Angel Fire for sure, and possibly Winter Park and Deer Valley area parks if I head farther north.

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    Angel Fire has some of the gnarliest, rockiest terrain around. I would want a true DH bike there (more travel, dual crown fork, slacker geo). Winter Park can be ridden on a 7" bike, and there is only one trail where you'll wish you had a DH bike (Trestle DH).

    I can't speak for the other two. I don't race, but I have a Demo 8 for the resorts. If price is a concern, the Speshy Status is a great new bike for the price.
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    I'd want an 8 inch bike for Northstar, they have a good variety of terrain there - even though you could get by on a 7" single-crown, an 8 inch crown will give you room to grow, and might help make up for lack of skill as you grow.

    IF I was going to live near Winter Park and ride Trestle a lot, I'd probably get a 7 inch bike. Their trails are pretty smooth and dialed (and FAST), and as BigSteve mentioned, there's only one really gnarly trail there.

    At Angelfire you can be comfortable on both, but the extra travel and slack geo on the 8 inch made things like the rock gardens easier/faster. Just rode there Saturday with some friends, I had my DH, and my buddy was riding his Pivot Firebird with a Lyric on the front - and he killed it. But, he's a very skilled rider.

    Great tip on the Speshy Status, but your best bet is rent or borrow first. Most parks have a decent fleet of bikes to choose from. Angelfire even rents 7 inch Scotts...
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    Theres another thread recently on bike selection for Northstar, do a search for it.

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    if you are going to be living near a bikepark, then i would rent/ test/demo as many bikes as possible before buying one, that way you get the bikes that best suits you as a rider, we are all differant and whats great for one isnt always great for the next person.

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    I hear you on trying out different bikes first. Only thing is bike rentals aren't cheap, especially at Northstar. So the cost of trying out 4 or 5 different bikes would equate to a good chunk of money that could be put towards buying a quality used bike. That's really why I'm trying to avoid it this summer.

    Last summer was my first time ever trying DH. Went to Angel Fire and rented both a Demo and a Status. I don't think I saw any gnarly bits the whole time I was there, everything was pretty smooth. Granted I didn't go down any black trails, I'm sure those are the ones that have rock gardens. But it was my first time ever riding DH, I was alone, and I didn't really feel like risking breaking my neck so I stayed on the green and blue trails.

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    Yeah realistically any mainstream DH bike is fine. Unless you are an advanced rider you're not gonna notice the differences. And most of the differences among the major bike are just differences, not necessarily aspects that makes one better or worse overall than the others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by uglyguy2 View Post
    I hear you on trying out different bikes first. Only thing is bike rentals aren't cheap, especially at Northstar.
    For sure, that's a lot of coin to drop just to try - but you could probably get a good idea from just two rentals. Like Gemini said, most of the differences in the brands are minor and not something you're likely to notice right away. Renting a single crown, then another day on Dual crown should give you a good idea on the different set ups and wouldn't be too prohibitive cost-wise.

    That said, I'd go for the 8 inch, dual crown - unless all you plan to ever ride is Trestle, or blue-green runs at any other resort.

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    Last summer was my first time ever trying DH. Went to Angel Fire and rented both a Demo and a Status. I don't think I saw any gnarly bits the whole time I was there, everything was pretty smooth. Granted I didn't go down any black trails, I'm sure those are the ones that have rock gardens. But it was my first time ever riding DH, I was alone, and I didn't really feel like risking breaking my neck so I stayed on the green and blue trails.
    As for Angelfire, yeah, you found the smooth lines (combi, Sierra, lower boogie) but there is plenty of rough there too: Supreme, World Cup, Pepper Spray... Duke to some extent. All quite challenging trails, and they're building more... Hope you get to stop there this season.
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    Damn, I was kinda hoping you guys would say go for the FR bike. I think I could get it fairly cheap and upgrade the brakes. But everything I'm reading now has me leaning towards a full DH bike.

    Maybe I should just get a demo since I've ridden one before, I would kind of know what to expect. Being a DH noob, pretty much any big bike I ride is going to feel strange and awkward at first. I know the Demo I rode at Angel Fire did. The Status was a bit lighter, felt closer to what I was used to (XC bike), and was a bit more nimble. But the Demo did feel a little more stable when I was at speed. And again, I haven't ridden any steep, black trails yet. But when I do I'm thinking I'll want the slackest, longest travel front end I can get to make it a little less uncomfortable.

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    You should get a 8 inch downhill bike for Northstar. The trails are pretty rough for a single crown free ride bike day after day. A good deal on the wrong bike isn't a good deal at all. There's lots of good bikes out there. Sizing is absolutely key.

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    Go with a full on DH, 8 or more inch travel bike if you're going to be riding N* and Angle Fire. Lots of chunk at both. Even if your not to comfortable with the black runs now you'll progress to them pretty quick. With the right bike you'll have more confidence, than a smaller bike with the wrong geometry.

    I would demo few other brands, than just Specialized. Try Santa Cruz's V-10, Intense's M-9, transition's TR 450, and others. One thing to consider is bottom bracket height. You want something with enough clearance that you won't bash your down tube, feet, or pedals in the rock gardens.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wonny View Post
    A good deal on the wrong bike isn't a good deal at all.
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    My kids and I ride Northstar pretty much every weekend and I'm in the process of building up a Banshee Rune to replace my dh bike. A 6"-7" bike with a good head angle can easily handle anything at Northstar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lummie View Post
    A 6"-7" bike with a good head angle can easily handle anything at Northstar.
    There's definitely a difference between a bike that can "easily" handle N*, and the "ideal" bike for N*.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gemini2k05 View Post
    There's definitely a difference between a bike that can "easily" handle N*, and the "ideal" bike for N*.
    There are 44 trails on the Northstar map, about 4 of them are "ideal" for an 8" dh bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lummie View Post
    There are 44 trails on the Northstar map, about 4 of them are "ideal" for an 8" dh bike.
    This is a DH/FR forum. I thought we ONLY talk about those kind of trails?

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    yep fair point i think the same way to, hence why i take my own bike when we go to whistler, for what it would cost to rent for the 5 weeks is the equivalent of buying your bike, thats how i justify spending so much on a dh bike lol...
    do you know if there any places that would let you demo a few bikes before you buy, that would be a cheap or free way to find what works for you.

    to be honest being a novice rider, or complete beginer, most bikes would feel the same to you, and you would probably just adapt and learn to ride the bike you had. i was trying to point out that some bikes ride better than others, and whats good for one isnt always good to an other. you speak to any bikeer not just down hiller, but any mtb rider in general. and they will all tell you that their particular ride is the best.

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    DH/park bike for a non-racer?

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    There are 44 trails on the Northstar map, about 4 of them are "ideal" for an 8" dh bike.
    I was the guy that started the other thread about a bike for Northstar a few weeks ago. I went against the grain and bought a 7" freeride bike. I rode it there this weekend and was happy with my choice with it taking the edge off and not having to worry about breaking the thing. For everything but the double black diamonds, I think it is more than sufficient. That said, I am pulling the totem fork and sending it off to have it rebuilt and upgraded to a DH2.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gemini2k05 View Post
    This is a DH/FR forum. I thought we ONLY talk about those kind of trails?
    All you fvckers with 4- 6 inch trail bikes riding DH trails, line up so we can woop all your azzes! LOL.

    I have to admit it's annoying as F-ck when they come to our forum and ask or answer about DH bikes, and then question why it can't be ridden on a trail bike. I can ride most of the trails at Northstar on a tricycle as well, but doesn't mean I'm going to do it. So go ahead and ride your 7 inch Ibis, we'll see how clapped out it is after a full season.

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    So, I think the Status is a pretty nice bike. I rented one at Angelfire last year too, and usually rode my Delirium (~7"). Huge difference going up to 8" in the back. I also rented a TR450 and a Giant Fury. The Status as the freeride bike with higher bb and good geometry was more appealing than an all-out race rig that the demo is, instantly more comfortable and the best jumper out of those 3.
    I'm stoked to be scoping out my trips for this year and have my own bike. I bought one of the Trestle bike shop demo bikes last year and dressed it up a bit (CCDB). Cannot wait to get it on a proper mountain, looking at Trestle/Keystone/AngelFire again here before season is over.

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    I have a demo 8 , I dont race but its balls to the wall with the bike it handles everything I ride from fast flowy trails to steep rough rocks. Ill admit its not the most poppy bike but it still works and likes to be ridden hard. The status is a great bike if your looking for more of that freeride style.

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    Well now I'm a bit confused on the Demo vs Status topic. The one I rented was a single crown. I see from Speshy's website they have that one and then the double crown. You guys who are recommending this bike are recommending the one with the double crown?

    Comparing the double crown version of the Status with the Demo, would there be a huge difference between the two? All I can tell by looking at the specs online is that the demo is just a bit slacker.

    Someone brought up jump-ability. I had a hell of a time getting the Demo off the ground, although I think that was more my lack of speed into the jumps than anything. Would it be easier for a beginner to get air on the Status over the Demo? Or am I just going to have to nut up and rail the jumps to take flight on either?

    On another note, what about this bike: 2012 Pivot Phoenix - Pinkbike

    Only reason I ask is because it's in TX so I could drive to get it. I really don't want to buy a bike and have it shipped, I feel like i'm going to get ripped off by someone if I do that. That's quite a price tag he has on that beast, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by uglyguy2 View Post
    Well now I'm a bit confused on the Demo vs Status topic. The one I rented was a single crown. I see from Speshy's website they have that one and then the double crown. You guys who are recommending this bike are recommending the one with the double crown?

    Comparing the double crown version of the Status with the Demo, would there be a huge difference between the two? All I can tell by looking at the specs online is that the demo is just a bit slacker.

    Someone brought up jump-ability. I had a hell of a time getting the Demo off the ground, although I think that was more my lack of speed into the jumps than anything. Would it be easier for a beginner to get air on the Status over the Demo? Or am I just going to have to nut up and rail the jumps to take flight on either?

    On another note, what about this bike: 2012 Pivot Phoenix - Pinkbike

    Only reason I ask is because it's in TX so I could drive to get it. I really don't want to buy a bike and have it shipped, I feel like i'm going to get ripped off by someone if I do that. That's quite a price tag he has on that beast, though.
    Overpriced. Hardly used but the bikes a few years old. I'd give him $40,00 tops. If your worried about shipping, just wait till you move to CA, and buy a used bike here. Much bigger selection to choose from. Plus, it'll be one less thing to pack.
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    The single crown demo you rode was a demo 7 (7 inch travel). The dual crown model is a Demo 8 (8 inches of travel). The Demo 7 is not quit as racked out as the 8, but you can still add a double crown fork (8 inches front) and remove a spacer from the rear to give you 8 inches in the rear. You can also add an angle set to rake it out, or readjust it for a more poppy, jumpable ride. AFAIK Spec. replaced the Demo 7, with the stratus in 2113.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tim F. View Post
    Overpriced. Hardly used but the bikes a few years old. I'd give him $40,00 tops. If your worried about shipping, just wait till you move to CA, and buy a used bike here. Much bigger selection to choose from. Plus, it'll be one less thing to pack.
    Yeah, I knew it was. 4K was the exact number I had in mind to offer. But still, that's more than I want to spend and he probably wouldn't accept it. He's dreaming thinking he'll get that much for that bike, IMO.

    I've thought about waiting until I get out there. And you're right, one less item to travel with and a bigger selection once I'm there. However, I really want to have one on the way because I'll be doing mostly park riding on my way out there, and again the expense of having to rent bikes comes into play.

    I've still got a little bit of time before I move so I'm not planning on doing anything drastic yet. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that a quality used DH bike pops up somewhere in TX at a fair price. In my size of course. At which point I'll jump on it.

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    I'm all for pouring money into bikes, but you don't need to spend that much. You can get a good used DH bike for under $2K. If you're willing to spend $4,000, buy new and get the warranty. My 2 cents.
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    DH/park bike for a non-racer?

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    All you fvckers with 4- 6 inch trail bikes riding DH trails, line up so we can woop all your azzes! LOL.

    I have to admit it's annoying as F-ck when they come to our forum and ask or answer about DH bikes, and then question why it can't be ridden on a trail bike. I can ride most of the trails at Northstar on a tricycle as well, but doesn't mean I'm going to do it. So go ahead and ride your 7 inch Ibis, we'll see how clapped out it is after a full season.

    Not directed towards the OP.
    You should have been there to tell that to the guy on his 29er hardtail and his buddy on a hybrid with the tacoed rim on Sunday. The guy on a 29er was trying to decide if he should go down Karpial or Pho Dog.
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    about getting in the air - any full blown dh bike will require a different technique than a regular trail bike. Going from an AM to DH (makulu) bike here is my experience - just riding towards the lip at speed will do nothing, you have to consciously tell the bike you want air time, otherwise it wants to stick to the ground.

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    I'm going to tack on to the thread here, too. Live in Reno and want to start riding Northstar. I've done some DH on my trail bike back east. Namely Plattekill. Cracked my frame there, actually (lesson learned). I love riding down hills fast, really enjoy jumpy trails, so it only seems natural to get a big bike and start playing at Northstar. The bike will also be used for some local shuttles that have a lot of nice gap jumps. And probably Tyrolean, although that's fun as hell on a trail bike.

    I'm looking for a cheap bike. Like dirt cheap. I've got a budget of about $1000. I'm 6 foot, so I probably need a large. What are your thoughts on this prize?

    I'm basically hoping to get 2 season out of a bike, make sure I'll use a big bike enough, then probably upgrade to something else. Not sure what pads the dude is throwing in with the bike, but that's totally appealing. I only have knees and fullface at this point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by uglyguy2 View Post
    I am still new to DH so I am pretty slow and unskilled.
    If you're slow and unskilled while riding DH you don't think you'll be at a full blown bike park?

    My advice is to ride DH to amp up your DH skills before hitting 30' gaps at a bike park....buy a DH rig and go have fun!
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    Quote Originally Posted by TAOS1 View Post
    If you're slow and unskilled while riding DH you don't think you'll be at a full blown bike park?

    My advice is to ride DH to amp up your DH skills before hitting 30' gaps at a bike park....buy a DH rig and go have fun!
    Not really sure what you mean by this. Bike parks have different trails based on different degrees of difficulty. I'm not going to encounter a 30 foot gap on a green run at Northstar, or even a blue run for that matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vitale232 View Post
    What are your thoughts on this prize?
    I tried looking that bike up on Bicycle blue book to see the value. The only one they have listed for the Bighit 3 is 2009. It has a current value of $1,268 according to their site. I'd say if you could get it for a grand with the protective gear that would be a fair deal.

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    here's my 2 cents... i travel around a bit with my bikes to different parks east and west, shuttle runs, build my own runs, etc... don't race, like being out for the whole day. owned a few dh bikes, my last one was a m9. the bike i have the most fun on day after day is my single crown tr250

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    What about this one: GT Fury Spec B Mountain Bike MTB

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    Bump for opinions on the above posted bike^^^^

    Talked to the seller, 2K is the bottom dollar, price includes full face helmet. 3 hour drive to pick it up (which isn't a huge negative because I like going out that way to ride the XC trails, they actually have hills there).

    Not a lot of info floating around on that bike from my google searches, and I can't find that model on bicycle blue book so I don't know what it would go for.

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    Great specs on the bike, but I'm weary of buying a used carbon frame. Take that with a grain of salt, cuz I'm scared to buy a new carbon frame also.

    I've never seen one of these on a trail...
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    Quote Originally Posted by uglyguy2 View Post
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    One of the photos he sent me.
    Where in TX are you? I'm up in Austin.
    That bike looks nice...and the helmet is worth a bit IF it fits you.

    As for how the frames ride, I rented one of those at AF last year. I liked it more than the TR450 - it rode higher and more responsive to pumping rollers and berms

    Buuuut for $2k you might do better, just might not be something that you can see locally before you pull the trigger.

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    Houston. The full face I have now is a 661, same size, and it fits like a glove so I'm sure that one would fit.

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    I really think you should buy a Giant Glory , they really are great bikes and a lot of fun to ride .

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    Quote Originally Posted by uglyguy2 View Post
    Houston. The full face I have now is a 661, same size, and it fits like a glove so I'm sure that one would fit.
    Did you see the Cove Shocker that has a top of the line build? Local to you. I almost bought this bike about 5 months back and he has dropped the price since then.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aedubber View Post
    I really think you should buy a Giant Glory , they really are great bikes and a lot of fun to ride .
    Uglyguy2, you really should consider waiting until you get somewhere with a gravity scene. The bikes will more bountiful and the market will be in your favor, especially in about 2 months.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CharacterZero View Post
    Did you see the Cove Shocker that has a top of the line build? Local to you. I almost bought this bike about 5 months back and he has dropped the price since then.
    Cove Shocker - Team Bike (Medium/Large) - Downhill/Freeride
    Not sure what size that Fury is, but I'd take a shocker any day over a fury - Cove shocker is one of the most long-standing and well reviewed frames out there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by uglyguy2 View Post
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    Sick! Would be nice and light too! Seems like a good deal to me?
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    Quote Originally Posted by CharacterZero View Post
    Did you see the Cove Shocker that has a top of the line build? Local to you. I almost bought this bike about 5 months back and he has dropped the price since then.
    Cove Shocker - Team Bike (Medium/Large) - Downhill/Freeride
    Sent you a PM with details on that Shocker.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CharacterZero View Post
    Uglyguy2, you really should consider waiting until you get somewhere with a gravity scene.
    I have no idea what you're talking about. Houston's gravity scene is on fire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by uglyguy2 View Post
    I have no idea what you're talking about. Houston's gravity scene is on fire.
    Hahaha so very true....buffalo bayou has a TON of decents, we are talking atleast 40 feet of elevation change!!!

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