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    DH bike beating the SNOT out of me...

    I am riding a 2009 Yeti 303RDH bike, with Fox40 fork, and DHX 5 shock. today I was riding some lift served and the bike isn't as plush as I remember. In fact, it was down right harsh.

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    The fork is a 2005 Fox 40, and it was rebuilt 2 years ago (I didn't ride at all last year) but the fork only has realistically 2 click of rebound damping control before the knob stops turning. Those 2 clicks make a difference over the clicks prior. So I think that the fork was not put together correctly when it was rebuilt.

    The DHX isn't leaking. There is a lot of adjustment. I base lined it this evening (it was pretty far out of the suggested range of adjustment) and will try it on a local hike-a-bike trail tomorrow.

    Options:

    I like the bike, and it has been great. I am thinking about putting a newer fork on it, along with sending the DHX to PUSH to have it rebuilt. Forks, I was thinking about a newer Fox40 with the air springs, but I have come to understand that the older coil forks are more desirable to heavier riders like myself.

    Sell the bike as is and buy a Canfield Jedi...

    New fork and brakes for the Yeti (which is what I am primarily considering).

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    The 40 float is a great fork. Check your pm's
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    sell and buy Jedi for sure if you have the spare cash.

    Don't worry about air vs coil, you'll be fine on either. If you think you might be wanting to replace the frame anytime soon, I'd do it now. You'll end up buying a 26" fork and then it will be useless when you upgrade your frame, and the resell value won't be very high.

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    I assume that if you sell the bike and buy a Jedi, you'd be starting over from scratch and doing a complete brand new build? If so, I would do that option. There is nothing better than getting a new bike of course! Upgrading from a 2009 303 to a new Jedi, and from 2005 suspension parts to brand new, it will be like being born again lol that's what I would do, but I'm never the one to make the most financially responsible decision either. I'm sure your 09 303 frame would work a treat with some new suspension, even just having the existing ones serviced properly. I personally love getting a new bike, and collecting all the parts for a new build is fun for me too.

    If you are going with brand new suspension, I wouldn't worry about air/coil. the new air stuff is so good they feel 95%+ similar to a coil IMO. And being a big guy, it can be hard to find the right spring rates for coil suspension. they make the gaps between spring rates alot bigger at the higher weights sometimes, leading you to have to settle for a spring rate that isn't ideal. air springs eliminate that entirely, letting you choose precisely the spring rate you want/need, when you want it, for free. pro's and con's to both, but I certainly don't think you should overlook air.

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    Why couldn't I run a 27.5" fork with a 26" wheel?

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    Also, I have to pay the trek remedy off before I can buy a new DH bike

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tigerstripe40 View Post
    Why couldn't I run a 27.5" fork with a 26" wheel?
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    theres no problem running a 26 wheel in a 27.5 fork. the trail numbers will be slightly different, but I don't think it will be noticeable to mere mortals like us. maybe a pro could feel the difference.

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    If you want something a little more budget friendly, consider finding a Dorado. Excellent fork and I'm sure you can find one inexpensively.

    Otherwise, buy the Jedi.

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    Get the Jedi with DVO suspension.. You won't regret it.

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    The other bike I'm drooling over, now that the Turner DHR is NLA, is the Pivot Phoenix.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tigerstripe40 View Post
    The other bike I'm drooling over, now that the Turner DHR is NLA, is the Pivot Phoenix.
    check the Pinkbike buy/sell for DHR's. There are some incredible deals to be had. And there are always one or two for sale on there that are essentially brand new. I just upgraded from my 2011 size large, raw DHR, to a 2014 brand new, unridden ano'd black XL DHR. Found on Pinkbike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob-Bob View Post
    Get the Jedi with DVO suspension.. You won't regret it.
    Second this, I have a used-new to me 2014 Jedi and I can't express how happy I am with this bike. I recently got back from the Whistler area and couldn't believe the stuff I was able to ride on the Jedi. I've had multiple bikes and the Canfield Suspension is by far my favorite. As mentioned you won't regret getting a Jedi.

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    I took the bike to the LBS and had the fork and shock checked out.
    They think that the rubber bladder in the damper might be at issue and are going to service the damper for me. They think there might be some air in the oil of the DHX-5, but weren't sure and said to ride it after having base lined it and see if it still has the problem.

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    have you ever had the DHX-5 serviced or oil changed before? and what fork do you have, Fox 40?

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    The DHX-5 has never been serviced.
    Fork is a 2005 Fox 40.

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    shock could definitely use a service. Fork is old, could probably use a service too if it hasn't had one in a while

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    I've got a 303 rdh and upgraded to a 40 float and avalanched dhx 5 this year. Now more plush up front and better handling in the rough terrain from the rear. It's pretty much a commitment to 26 though. I'm over 200 lbs and found the original spring rates were too high even for aggressive lift assist riding

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    stock DHX is pretty spikey.
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    I had the Fox 40 rebuilt by a LBS. The tech at the LBS who rebuilt it told me that it's pretty worn out and that this was the last rebuild that they were willing to do on it.

    They advised to replace the shock oil and bleed the DHX. I am going to try to do that myself.

    I rode the bike today and didn't have the issue of getting bucked like I did prior to the fork rebuild. I think that base lining the shock helped.

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    Ditch that old junk and get on a new whip!

    Srsly tho... You will not be disappointed with a Jedi! I am on my 4th Jedi and they've all been amazing! Plus, the Canfield guys are the best in the biz when it comes to customer service.

    I believe they are just beginning to sell full packages, too, with really good builds.

    I dare you to give them a call. Have your credit card handy though, you might not make it through a full convo without begging them to take your money...

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheRage43 View Post
    Ditch that old junk and get on a new whip!

    Srsly tho... You will not be disappointed with a Jedi! I am on my 4th Jedi and they've all been amazing! Plus, the Canfield guys are the best in the biz when it comes to customer service.

    I believe they are just beginning to sell full packages, too, with really good builds.

    I dare you to give them a call. Have your credit card handy though, you might not make it through a full convo without begging them to take your money...

    Aaaannnddd...
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    Resurrecting this one...

    So I have decided to use the 303 for another season. There's really nothing wrong with it.
    As much as I'd like to get a new Jedi or Pivot Phoenix, that's not happening (I tend to try to ride my bikes 10 years before I get rid of them, though I still have all of them).

    This summer, I plan to do a lot of lift served at Deer Valley, and I'm planning a week long bike park trip to either Whistler or Colorado.

    The DHX is boxed up and about to get sent to Push this week.

    Which leaves me to a fork.

    It appears that both RockShox and Fox make a coil sprung version of the BoXXer and Fox40, respectively, and they are pretty close in price point.

    I'm a heavier rider (235-245 ride ready). All things being equal, for my size, which fork would be the better one to consider? Also, I want a new fork, not a used one.
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    It is unlikely you can find a proper coil spring rate for your weight. Unless you can actually try one out ahead of time, I'd stay away from coil spring forks. I'm 215 and find that usually the stiffest possible option is just barely stiff enough for me. Also I read in an earlier post that the 40 was pretty "worn out". What the hell did the LBS mean like there? Very few wear parts are non-replaceable. I've got ~2 million feet of vert out of forks before. And they were easily ready for 2 million more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gemini2k05 View Post
    It is unlikely you can find a proper coil spring rate for your weight. Unless you can actually try one out ahead of time, I'd stay away from coil spring forks. I'm 215 and find that usually the stiffest possible option is just barely stiff enough for me. Also I read in an earlier post that the 40 was pretty "worn out". What the hell did the LBS mean like there? Very few wear parts are non-replaceable. I've got ~2 million feet of vert out of forks before. And they were easily ready for 2 million more.
    According to the LBS, the biggest problem is that many of the parts showing wear have been discontinued (the fork is 11+ years old, which is ancient by bike industry standards). I did ask them about getting another fork for the same vintage to swap parts between in case stuff wears out. They said they'd sell me seals, wipers etc, but that the internals that are showing wear, and are no longer available are at issue, and that a parts fork will likely have the same wear.

    I have the stiffest spring in my 40 and have thought about getting the avalanche air damper kit and Fox Float cartridge for it. But at the end of the day, after the avalanche air spring and damper kit, and new lowers, I'd almost be less money buying a new Fox FLOAT 40.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tigerstripe40 View Post
    I have the stiffest spring in my 40 and have thought about getting the avalanche air damper kit and Fox Float cartridge for it. But at the end of the day, after the avalanche air spring and damper kit, and new lowers, I'd almost be less money buying a new Fox FLOAT 40.
    True, but the 40 forks operate on minimal oil bath, the cart converts that leg to full oil bath and oil changes become dead simple, no longer do you have to worry about that leg destroying itself by eating into the bushing due to low lubrication and you can adapt the cartridge to future DH forks, which means it's not just an investment for that one fox 40, it's something you can take with you. Tuned suspension (for your body weight, riding style, etc.) makes a huge difference. Based on your initial post, I'd highly recommend tuned suspension.
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    I'm weary of going too over the top praising Avalanche. I will say that having gone both ways, a low end fork (like a Boxxer RC; which is a harsh POS in stock form) with an Avalanche damper will be a better fork for less money overall compared to a high end stock fork.

    If you already have a fork that can take an Ava cart, my opinion, you'd be a fool to get a new fork; with Avalanche you'd end up with a better fork than anything stock, at probably less than half the price of a new 40. Since the cart completely replaces the damper, most everything that's worn will be replaced anyway.

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    For your weight, I'm thinking the 40 because of the stiffer chassis. That's true about spring rates: the Marzocchi springs for the 888 and 380 for example, let some people slip through the cracks. You'll have to figure that out with whatever fork you choose. Air spring is nice but it "feels" different. But as a dude that has one AIR fork with Push tune and one COIL fork with Avalanche cartridge, I probably wouldn't hesitate going to an air downhill fork.

    As for the Avalanche cartridge being adapted to other forks, be very careful about that. First, the 40 Avalanche cartridge is really different from the conventional cartridge. So there's no way for you to bring it to other forks unless it's a 40 (even then, you might have to change out the cartridge top cap because Fox changes up their top cap threading once in a while). Even if you had a cartridge in a Boxxer and wanted to put it in a 380 for example, it's not even cost effective to get the adapters and other bits and pieces to make it work. Craig has even told me he doesn't understand why people even want to do that, but there's a demand for it apparently. He's told me you're always better off selling your fork with cartridge and starting over.

    I'm thinking it's also possible for things to wear out in forks. There are lots of cheap plastic parts and other bits that could go. Bushings do wear out, at least with the 40 they're serviceable, whereas other fork manufacturers leave you buying new lowers.

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    ...then get the tuned suspension (the coil spring, air spring is sh!t)
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