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    Given your bike quiver they would have to be pretty stupid people not to look after you now.

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    I may be blind but is that a hole in your frame? Looks a bit more impressive than a simple dent.
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    Christ, just looking at those things you can easily tell they are nowhere near upto the job they were intended for, sucks to hear about it man, id feel you pain after putting on all that clear bra, hope it gets all sorted for ya

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    The obvious solution here is get a Boxxer
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    That looks like a crack in the frame not just a dent
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fix the Spade
    So, the issue is Spesh have put out an inferior product and not told anybody. If they're going to do that they should have put it in writing that you can't run 40s, or need to use a taller headset or... something. Not saying anything then looking surprised when damaged frames come back isn't a great advert.
    how is a short head tube inferior?
    short head tube = lower front end = faster

    Im going to guess that other frames are going to start having this issue as their head tubes get shorter too. (or fork designs will have to change)
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    The issue is not the short head tube, but the fact that the downtube starts downwards immediately after the headtube. It would need to head straight back a bit before turning downwards, so to speak. This is an issue because of the shape of the lower crown of the 40 (which is horizontal as opposed to downward sloping like on the Boxxer).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evan55
    how is a short head tube inferior?
    short head tube = lower front end = faster

    Im going to guess that other frames are going to start having this issue as their head tubes get shorter too. (or fork designs will have to change)
    It's a combination of factors, not just the length of the headtube, but also the angle between the downtube and headtube.

    Other frames will have that problem (and it has always existed with different specific designs, being fork knobs hitting the downtube or otherwise) if it's overlooked when designing, but not a direct consequence of a short headtube.
    The new Turner DHR-DW has quite a short headtube, yet it's not an issue there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evan55
    how is a short head tube inferior?
    short head tube = lower front end = faster

    Im going to guess that other frames are going to start having this issue as their head tubes get shorter too. (or fork designs will have to change)
    The head tube's not a problem at all, the problem is down tube clearance. There are plenty of other frames with short head tubes and zero stack headsets that can take a Fox40 fine.

    The problem is that Spesh haven't profiled their down tube right and the crowns of one of the three major downhill forks don't clear their downhill frame. That's why it's an inferior product. Or more specifically, it's bad form of Specialized not to up and tell anybody but to offer these ineffective bumpers as a solution.

    Even just telling people to use a taller lower headset cup would solve the problem, it's a few millimetres, small enough that you could adjust the height difference out by mounting the stanchions a bit lower in the crowns. It doesn't need to be as bigger problem as Spesh have evidently made it.

    Don't go hatin' the head tubes man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fix the Spade

    Even just telling people to use a taller lower headset cup would solve the problem, it's a few millimetres, small enough that you could adjust the height difference out by mounting the stanchions a bit lower in the crowns. It doesn't need to be as bigger problem as Spesh have evidently made it.
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    Taller headset will not solve the problem. Went to an external cup Cane Creek, and also tried a 1.5 king (both about 8mm extra stack). The 40 crown still hits the DT. this time it's the protrusion of the crown where the 5mm pinch bolts pinch the stanchion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iceman2058
    This is an issue because of the shape of the lower crown of the 40 (which is horizontal as opposed to downward sloping like on the Boxxer).

    It actually slopes upwards, to give people a lower front ride height back in the days of external headsets and 1.125" head tubes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fix the Spade
    Or more specifically, it's bad form of Specialized not to up and tell anybody but to offer these ineffective bumpers as a solution.

    Even just telling people to use a taller lower headset cup would solve the problem, it's a few millimetres, small enough that you could adjust the height difference out by mounting the stanchions a bit lower in the crowns. It doesn't need to be as bigger problem as Spesh have evidently made it.

    Don't go hatin' the head tubes man.
    Taller lower headset cups do NOT make Fox 40 forks fit any differently. That is why it has not been communicated as an option.

    By offering a Fox compatibility kit, isn't Specialized effectively "telling" their customers how to correctly install a Fox 40?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JakeWake
    Taller lower headset cups do NOT make Fox 40 forks fit any differently. That is why it has not been communicated as an option.

    By offering a Fox compatibility kit, isn't Specialized effectively "telling" their customers how to correctly install a Fox 40?

    JC

    You could say that, but when the bumpers don't work and the fork still causes damage when installed "correctly", then it's incompatible and should be stated as such. It wasn't and now his frame is f*cked up when he did exactly what specialized told him to do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ccspecialized
    You could say that, but when the bumpers don't work and the fork still causes damage when installed "correctly", then it's incompatible and should be stated as such. It wasn't and now his frame is f*cked up when he did exactly what specialized told him to do.
    You are absolutely correct. Every early adopter of the Demo who installed a Fox 40 fork deserves to be notified that an upgrade is available.

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    So to sum it up, if we install the steerer tube spacer included with the frame for the 40, and the new bumpers, we are good to go?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jut8
    So to sum it up, if we install the steerer tube spacer included with the frame for the 40, and the new bumpers, we are good to go?
    That is correct.

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    another solution:

    1 - cut old manitou or rockshox fork bumper in half
    2 - zip tie to forks
    3 - you are done
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    I wouldnt want to spend a load of g's on a sweet frame and fork like a demo and a 40 to then have to use a ghetto as fook solution like that!

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    Quote Originally Posted by tuumbaq
    So correct me if Im wrong but it appears that you cannot run any other fork than the BoXXers ( and possibly 888, Dorados ???) on that frame .Neither can you run ANYTHING else than the stock RC4...no DB, no Elka, BOS and not even the RS yet( which to me is the most laughable thing ever since the development on this thing was done on a RS shock)
    http://www.pinkbike.com/photo/6133548/
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    Quote Originally Posted by CorollaRWD
    http://www.pinkbike.com/photo/6133548/
    Vivid adapters are available from Specialized as well.

    That is actually my bike! Thats a cane creek double barrel on there, not a vivid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CorollaRWD
    http://www.pinkbike.com/photo/6133548/
    Vivid adapters are available from Specialized as well.
    Isn't it just universal?
    Given that all eyelets have the same thickness, that is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hafnz
    Isn't it just universal?
    Given that all eyelets have the same thickness, that is.

    You have the right thinking with the thickness, but on some shocks the rebound adjuster gets in the way of it sliding in far enough, i know this was the case with the Elka.
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    Nice Bike.

    I was showing you can fit a CCDB and saying you can also get Vivid adapters from Specialized as well.

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    Those look like more than dents.

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    Yeah, i would be pissed in spesh didn't own up to getting me a new frame.

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