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    Confirmed hubs available or have adaptor for the new 12mm x 157mm 'standard'

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    -Chris King (confirmed -I own one, see CK157x12 ISO)
    -DT Swiss
    -Hadley
    -Hope
    -Industry nine
    -Nukeproof (Nukeproof Syntace Conversion Kit)
    -Spank (SPANK)
    -Mavic (assumed related to 142x12mm article on Pinkbike Tech Tues)



    Coming Soon:
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    Saint M820/5

    Further reading:
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    Hope's are for sure. I am running them on my new Podium, and so is Dusty.

    Kings should be available soon.
    If jackasses could fly this place would be an airport.

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    Add hadley

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    If I am not mistaken, the part number for Hadley is H500537-CLR.

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    I'm out if the loop, what's the purpose of a 157mm rear end?

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    To make us buy new parts.

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    Word. Cause 3mm will make a noticeable difference. What a waste of resources... Fahn
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    Quote Originally Posted by LarryFahn View Post
    Word. Cause 3mm will make a noticeable difference. What a waste of resources... Fahn
    Well it does prevent 'I'm cold it's dark and I can't get the f#!%*ng axle to go in' syndrome. That's got be worth a new set of end caps right?

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    how the hell is it a "standard" if there are 12 different sizes?


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    I'd much prefer to see axle diametre size go up, ie 20mm
    I'm stuck with a 20mm proprietary hub.

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    Quote Originally Posted by .WestCoastHucker. View Post
    how the hell is it a "standard" if there are 12 different sizes?

    Welcome to earth, land of where many standards exist

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    DT Swiss.
    The 12x142 adapters used with a 150 hub = 157.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FreeRidin' View Post
    DT Swiss.
    The 12x142 adapters used with a 150 hub = 157.
    Same way Hope Pro Evo2's are converted, FWIW.
    If jackasses could fly this place would be an airport.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scythe View Post
    I'm out if the loop, what's the purpose of a 157mm rear end?
    its like the 12x142 of the dh world.

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    Gotta make everyone think they need new frames....Cha Ching!

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    Quote Originally Posted by b-kul View Post
    its like the 12x142 of the dh world.
    So pretty much to make it easier to remove your backs wheel and put back on.
    Should just leave it at 135 and 150mm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scythe View Post
    So pretty much to make it easier to remove your backs wheel and put back on.
    Should just leave it at 135 and 150mm.
    "They" say the increased length makes it stiffer than standard. I don't buy into that arguement, because of front hubs. To make it stiffer, you would increase the diametre, not the length.
    To me, it screams "fad".

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    IH used a 160mm in '03 with a 100mm bb. The idea was to get rid of the dish of the rear wheel by spreading the flanges further apart. In recent years though, I've seen hub companies move the flanges inward(ala150 hubs) to line up the spokes angle to eliminate dish. But with the spokes so straight, I think it isn't as stiff laterally and it only leaves wasted space between the disc and the flange. If they adopt this new idea, it better be for spreading the flanges and not just to make more schitt to market. Ttyl, Fahn
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    Quote Originally Posted by SV11 View Post
    "They" say the increased length makes it stiffer than standard. I don't buy into that arguement, because of front hubs. To make it stiffer, you would increase the diametre, not the length.
    To me, it screams "fad".
    even to a history major with only a rudimentary understanding of physics this makes no sense. the longer something is the more torque you can apply, the more torque the easier it is to bend.

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    Edited.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SV11 View Post
    If thats the case, why dont you use 9mm axles?
    Larger diametre means more stiffness, same applies to fork stanchions.
    Maybe learn a bit more physics.
    ummm, i just agreed with your previous post, read much?

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    Sorry b-kul, my mistake.... I glimpsed over your response pretty quick, being tipsy didnt help matters...my bad. I thought it was my post that didnt make sense.

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    tipsy at noon on a wednesday? early start or late night?

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    It's about 5 am (thur) here in ozland, went out with mates for a few drinks last night, had a few more when i got home, or a half a dozen.

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    aha. well then, proceed my friend.

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    Can anyone confirm whether or not the HOPE hub is a simple adaptor/converter thingy or is it an all new hub all together ?

    Im about to buy a set of 823's on Evo's 150mm and couldnt find anything on this . . .

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    Quote Originally Posted by tuumbaq View Post
    Im about to buy a set of 823's on Evo's 150mm and couldnt find anything on this . . .
    To make the Pro 2 Evo 150mm hub 157mm, you use the 142x12 end caps from the normal hub. They're just press on end caps, no special tools required.

    Must be the 150mm hub though, if it's the 135mm hub you end up at 142.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fix the Spade View Post
    To make the Pro 2 Evo 150mm hub 157mm, you use the 142x12 end caps from the normal hub. They're just press on end caps, no special tools required.

    Must be the 150mm hub though, if it's the 135mm hub you end up at 142.
    thanks buddy

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    Update from Chris King is that it will be March or April before delivery....hopefully
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    Quote Originally Posted by rdhfreethought View Post
    Update from Chris King is that it will be March or April before delivery....hopefully
    Thanks.

    I`m trying to figure out exactly what the 2013 changes are to the 150/157mm hubs. They said "Updated 150mm and the brand new 157mm downhill and freeride specific rear hubs with a wider hub body for better load distribution" but elsewhere it appears to only be an axle conversion (same hub body).

    I have a 150 CK hub that I want to change to 157mm. I expect that its only the axle I will have to change....

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    Quote Originally Posted by bg. View Post

    I have a 150 CK hub that I want to change to 157mm. I expect that its only the axle I will have to change....
    Nope. They are changing the hub body as well. I'm in the same boat; I emailed CK about it and that's what they told me. As for shipping the new hubs they said Q1 of 2013, which could mean as late as March 31. I really hope their shipping date lines up with the shipping date of the new carbon V10 I have on order!!

    M.

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    Easton has 157 conversion butt plugs in stock. Less than $20.

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    will those work with Chris King hubs?

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    You can't deny that 142/157 makes it much easier to install the wheel. No flipping the bike over or holding it up while you line up the hub/frame and slip in the axle. Just drop an upright bike onto the wheel and let gravity hold it in place while you insert the axle. That's why most 20mm forks have indents for the hub to rest in. Since nearly every 135/150 x 12 hub easily converts (or will soon) to the wider size it doesn't present the problems most new standards do.
    Keep the Country country.

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    easton havoc 150 ust, with 157 end caps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fredro View Post
    easton havoc 150 ust, with 157 end caps.
    I had to remove the 157mm end caps on my Havocs to fit them to the 150mm spacing on my 951... guess what? You need a 12mm hex key... who has that in their toolbox? Well, I do now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by madriaanse View Post
    Nope. They are changing the hub body as well. I'm in the same boat; I emailed CK about it and that's what they told me. As for shipping the new hubs they said Q1 of 2013, which could mean as late as March 31. I really hope their shipping date lines up with the shipping date of the new carbon V10 I have on order!!

    M.
    damn. that's not good news.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gretch View Post
    I had to remove the 157mm end caps on my Havocs to fit them to the 150mm spacing on my 951... guess what? You need a 12mm hex key... who has that in their toolbox? Well, I do now.
    yup, actually had to run out to home depot to get one as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bg. View Post
    damn. that's not good news.
    Sure isn't; could've been so simple...

    M.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fredro View Post
    yup, actually had to run out to home depot to get one as well.
    Peak bikes didn't have a 12mm hex key or you didn't? Sweet bike, I saw it last week there might be some my drool on that frame.

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    Confirmed by Chris King on Facebook. There will be a 157mm axle available for current 150mm hubs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bg. View Post
    Confirmed by Chris King on Facebook. There will be a 157mm axle available for current 150mm hubs.
    I couldnt find any information on that on the facebook page. Instead I have an email from yesterday stating the opposite:


    Hello Ralph,
    Our 157x12 hubs are in production right now, but as your shop said they will not be shipping until the spring. The only difference in the hubs is the spacing, but the older 150 hubs cannot be converted to the 157 spacing. When the Gen 2 hub comes out you will be able to convert between the two sizes.


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    Note, this also seems to contradict the press release stating a wider hub body for the new hubs:

    New Stuff from Chris King | Mountain Bike Review

    So, I wonder exactly what is new about the hubs. Regardless, getting the Gen 2 hub seems the way to go. Or a different hub if you need it before April.
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails Confirmed hubs available or have adaptor for the new 12mm x 157mm 'standard'-chrisking_red157mm.jpg  

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    Below I copy pasted the response by Chris King to someone's question about upgrading a current 150 ISO.. This is from the Chris King Precision Components Facebook page.

    "You can get a replacement 157 axle that will upgrade your current 150"

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    Maybe both are true, in that the hubs are incompatible with each other. The DH Gen 2 hub will have its own body and axle, and the 150 hub can be adapted to the 157mm standard.

    Thinking about it, that is what I would do if I were CK.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rdhfreethought View Post
    Maybe both are true, in that the hubs are incompatible with each other. The DH Gen 2 hub will have its own body and axle, and the 150 hub can be adapted to the 157mm standard.

    Thinking about it, that is what I would do if I were CK.

    I think you're right, and it it would make logical sense.

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    Update from Chris King is that it will be March or April before delivery....hopefully
    First DH race is in April. I cant afford to not have some time on the new bike before the race. So, today I cancelled the order for CK hubs I put in months ago and ordered Hadley instead. The shop tried to talk me into I-9, but I wasn't having it

    Anyone think that was a mistake. (I was also thinking about DT Swiss...)
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    Buying a Hadley hub is never a mistake. DT SWiss makes good hubs but I have found Hadleys to be in a league of their own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rdhfreethought View Post
    Maybe both are true, in that the hubs are incompatible with each other. The DH Gen 2 hub will have its own body and axle, and the 150 hub can be adapted to the 157mm standard.

    Thinking about it, that is what I would do if I were CK.
    Yeah that would be cool. There is nothing wrong with my 150 ISO, other than it missing 3.5mm on each end. I'd love to keep it and just put a new axle in it, instead of getting rid of a perfectly good hub/wheel.

    Still... CK emailed me and said that they're coming out with an entirely new 157 hub with a new hub body an all, and that the 150 is not going to have a 157 replacement axle. Hope I'm wrong or that they changed their mind. Maybe CK can chime in here?

    M.

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    Quote Originally Posted by daisycutter View Post
    Buying a Hadley hub is never a mistake. DT SWiss makes good hubs but I have found Hadleys to be in a league of their own.
    totally agree..
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