• 11-04-2012
    rdhfreethought
    Confirmed hubs available or have adaptor for the new 12mm x 157mm 'standard'
    Known:
    -Azonic
    -Chris King (confirmed -I own one, see CK157x12 ISO)
    -DT Swiss
    -Hadley
    -Hope
    -Industry nine
    -Nukeproof (Nukeproof Syntace Conversion Kit)
    -Spank (SPANK)
    -Mavic (assumed related to 142x12mm article on Pinkbike Tech Tues)



    Coming Soon:
    ?



    Uncertain:
    Saint M820/5

    Further reading:
    syntace | News Norco Bikes
  • 11-04-2012
    rscecil007
    Hope's are for sure. I am running them on my new Podium, and so is Dusty.

    Kings should be available soon.
  • 11-04-2012
    daisycutter
    Add hadley
  • 11-05-2012
    rugbyred
    If I am not mistaken, the part number for Hadley is H500537-CLR.

    Eric
  • 11-06-2012
    Scythe
    I'm out if the loop, what's the purpose of a 157mm rear end?
  • 11-06-2012
    rugbyred
    To make us buy new parts.
  • 11-06-2012
    LarryFahn
    Word. Cause 3mm will make a noticeable difference. What a waste of resources... Fahn
  • 11-06-2012
    Fix the Spade
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by LarryFahn View Post
    Word. Cause 3mm will make a noticeable difference. What a waste of resources... Fahn

    Well it does prevent 'I'm cold it's dark and I can't get the f#!%*ng axle to go in' syndrome. That's got be worth a new set of end caps right?
  • 11-06-2012
    .WestCoastHucker.
    how the hell is it a "standard" if there are 12 different sizes?
  • 11-06-2012
    SV11
    I'd much prefer to see axle diametre size go up, ie 20mm
    I'm stuck with a 20mm proprietary hub.
  • 11-06-2012
    ehigh
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by .WestCoastHucker. View Post
    how the hell is it a "standard" if there are 12 different sizes?


    Welcome to earth, land of where many standards exist
  • 11-06-2012
    FreeRidin'
    DT Swiss.
    The 12x142 adapters used with a 150 hub = 157.
  • 11-06-2012
    rscecil007
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by FreeRidin' View Post
    DT Swiss.
    The 12x142 adapters used with a 150 hub = 157.

    Same way Hope Pro Evo2's are converted, FWIW.
  • 11-06-2012
    b-kul
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Scythe View Post
    I'm out if the loop, what's the purpose of a 157mm rear end?

    its like the 12x142 of the dh world.
  • 11-06-2012
    meSSican
    Gotta make everyone think they need new frames....Cha Ching!
  • 11-07-2012
    Scythe
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by b-kul View Post
    its like the 12x142 of the dh world.

    So pretty much to make it easier to remove your backs wheel and put back on.
    Should just leave it at 135 and 150mm.
  • 11-07-2012
    SV11
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Scythe View Post
    So pretty much to make it easier to remove your backs wheel and put back on.
    Should just leave it at 135 and 150mm.

    "They" say the increased length makes it stiffer than standard. I don't buy into that arguement, because of front hubs. To make it stiffer, you would increase the diametre, not the length.
    To me, it screams "fad".
  • 11-07-2012
    LarryFahn
    IH used a 160mm in '03 with a 100mm bb. The idea was to get rid of the dish of the rear wheel by spreading the flanges further apart. In recent years though, I've seen hub companies move the flanges inward(ala150 hubs) to line up the spokes angle to eliminate dish. But with the spokes so straight, I think it isn't as stiff laterally and it only leaves wasted space between the disc and the flange. If they adopt this new idea, it better be for spreading the flanges and not just to make more schitt to market. Ttyl, Fahn
  • 11-07-2012
    b-kul
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by SV11 View Post
    "They" say the increased length makes it stiffer than standard. I don't buy into that arguement, because of front hubs. To make it stiffer, you would increase the diametre, not the length.
    To me, it screams "fad".

    even to a history major with only a rudimentary understanding of physics this makes no sense. the longer something is the more torque you can apply, the more torque the easier it is to bend.
  • 11-07-2012
    SV11
    Edited.
  • 11-07-2012
    b-kul
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by SV11 View Post
    If thats the case, why dont you use 9mm axles?
    Larger diametre means more stiffness, same applies to fork stanchions.
    Maybe learn a bit more physics.

    ummm, i just agreed with your previous post, read much?
  • 11-07-2012
    SV11
    Sorry b-kul, my mistake.... I glimpsed over your response pretty quick, being tipsy didnt help matters...my bad. I thought it was my post that didnt make sense.
  • 11-07-2012
    b-kul
    tipsy at noon on a wednesday? early start or late night?
  • 11-07-2012
    SV11
    It's about 5 am (thur) here in ozland, went out with mates for a few drinks last night, had a few more when i got home, or a half a dozen.
  • 11-07-2012
    b-kul
    aha. well then, proceed my friend.
  • 01-19-2013
    tuumbaq
    Can anyone confirm whether or not the HOPE hub is a simple adaptor/converter thingy or is it an all new hub all together ?

    Im about to buy a set of 823's on Evo's 150mm and couldnt find anything on this . . .
  • 01-19-2013
    Fix the Spade
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tuumbaq View Post
    Im about to buy a set of 823's on Evo's 150mm and couldnt find anything on this . . .

    To make the Pro 2 Evo 150mm hub 157mm, you use the 142x12 end caps from the normal hub. They're just press on end caps, no special tools required.

    Must be the 150mm hub though, if it's the 135mm hub you end up at 142.
  • 01-19-2013
    tuumbaq
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Fix the Spade View Post
    To make the Pro 2 Evo 150mm hub 157mm, you use the 142x12 end caps from the normal hub. They're just press on end caps, no special tools required.

    Must be the 150mm hub though, if it's the 135mm hub you end up at 142.

    thanks buddy :thumbsup:
  • 01-19-2013
    juanbeegas
  • 01-20-2013
    rdhfreethought
    Update from Chris King is that it will be March or April before delivery....hopefully
  • 01-20-2013
    bg.
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by rdhfreethought View Post
    Update from Chris King is that it will be March or April before delivery....hopefully

    Thanks.

    I`m trying to figure out exactly what the 2013 changes are to the 150/157mm hubs. They said "Updated 150mm and the brand new 157mm downhill and freeride specific rear hubs with a wider hub body for better load distribution" but elsewhere it appears to only be an axle conversion (same hub body).

    I have a 150 CK hub that I want to change to 157mm. I expect that its only the axle I will have to change....
  • 01-22-2013
    madriaanse
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by bg. View Post

    I have a 150 CK hub that I want to change to 157mm. I expect that its only the axle I will have to change....

    Nope. They are changing the hub body as well. I'm in the same boat; I emailed CK about it and that's what they told me. As for shipping the new hubs they said Q1 of 2013, which could mean as late as March 31. I really hope their shipping date lines up with the shipping date of the new carbon V10 I have on order!! :)

    M.
  • 01-23-2013
    Orangesicle
    Easton has 157 conversion butt plugs in stock. Less than $20.
  • 01-23-2013
    madriaanse
    will those work with Chris King hubs?
  • 01-25-2013
    Lelandjt
    You can't deny that 142/157 makes it much easier to install the wheel. No flipping the bike over or holding it up while you line up the hub/frame and slip in the axle. Just drop an upright bike onto the wheel and let gravity hold it in place while you insert the axle. That's why most 20mm forks have indents for the hub to rest in. Since nearly every 135/150 x 12 hub easily converts (or will soon) to the wider size it doesn't present the problems most new standards do.
  • 01-25-2013
    fredro
    easton havoc 150 ust, with 157 end caps.
  • 01-25-2013
    gretch
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by fredro View Post
    easton havoc 150 ust, with 157 end caps.

    I had to remove the 157mm end caps on my Havocs to fit them to the 150mm spacing on my 951... guess what? You need a 12mm hex key... who has that in their toolbox? Well, I do now.
  • 01-25-2013
    bg.
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by madriaanse View Post
    Nope. They are changing the hub body as well. I'm in the same boat; I emailed CK about it and that's what they told me. As for shipping the new hubs they said Q1 of 2013, which could mean as late as March 31. I really hope their shipping date lines up with the shipping date of the new carbon V10 I have on order!! :)

    M.

    damn. that's not good news.:mad:
  • 01-26-2013
    fredro
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by gretch View Post
    I had to remove the 157mm end caps on my Havocs to fit them to the 150mm spacing on my 951... guess what? You need a 12mm hex key... who has that in their toolbox? Well, I do now.

    yup, actually had to run out to home depot to get one as well.
  • 01-26-2013
    madriaanse
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by bg. View Post
    damn. that's not good news.:mad:

    Sure isn't; could've been so simple...

    M.
  • 01-27-2013
    daisycutter
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by fredro View Post
    yup, actually had to run out to home depot to get one as well.

    Peak bikes didn't have a 12mm hex key or you didn't? Sweet bike, I saw it last week there might be some my drool on that frame.
  • 01-28-2013
    bg.
    Confirmed by Chris King on Facebook. There will be a 157mm axle available for current 150mm hubs.
  • 01-28-2013
    rdhfreethought
    1 Attachment(s)
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by bg. View Post
    Confirmed by Chris King on Facebook. There will be a 157mm axle available for current 150mm hubs.

    I couldnt find any information on that on the facebook page. Instead I have an email from yesterday stating the opposite:


    Quote:

    Hello Ralph,
    Our 157x12 hubs are in production right now, but as your shop said they will not be shipping until the spring. The only difference in the hubs is the spacing, but the older 150 hubs cannot be converted to the 157 spacing. When the Gen 2 hub comes out you will be able to convert between the two sizes.


    Kessler
    Note, this also seems to contradict the press release stating a wider hub body for the new hubs:

    New Stuff from Chris King | Mountain Bike Review

    So, I wonder exactly what is new about the hubs. Regardless, getting the Gen 2 hub seems the way to go. Or a different hub if you need it before April.
  • 01-29-2013
    bg.
    Below I copy pasted the response by Chris King to someone's question about upgrading a current 150 ISO.. This is from the Chris King Precision Components Facebook page.

    "You can get a replacement 157 axle that will upgrade your current 150"
  • 01-29-2013
    rdhfreethought
    Maybe both are true, in that the hubs are incompatible with each other. The DH Gen 2 hub will have its own body and axle, and the 150 hub can be adapted to the 157mm standard.

    Thinking about it, that is what I would do if I were CK.
  • 01-30-2013
    bg.
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by rdhfreethought View Post
    Maybe both are true, in that the hubs are incompatible with each other. The DH Gen 2 hub will have its own body and axle, and the 150 hub can be adapted to the 157mm standard.

    Thinking about it, that is what I would do if I were CK.


    I think you're right, and it it would make logical sense.
  • 02-11-2013
    rdhfreethought
    Quote:

    Update from Chris King is that it will be March or April before delivery....hopefully
    First DH race is in April. I cant afford to not have some time on the new bike before the race. So, today I cancelled the order for CK hubs I put in months ago and ordered Hadley instead. The shop tried to talk me into I-9, but I wasn't having it :)

    Anyone think that was a mistake. (I was also thinking about DT Swiss...)
  • 02-12-2013
    daisycutter
    Buying a Hadley hub is never a mistake. DT SWiss makes good hubs but I have found Hadleys to be in a league of their own.
  • 02-12-2013
    madriaanse
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by rdhfreethought View Post
    Maybe both are true, in that the hubs are incompatible with each other. The DH Gen 2 hub will have its own body and axle, and the 150 hub can be adapted to the 157mm standard.

    Thinking about it, that is what I would do if I were CK.

    Yeah that would be cool. There is nothing wrong with my 150 ISO, other than it missing 3.5mm on each end. I'd love to keep it and just put a new axle in it, instead of getting rid of a perfectly good hub/wheel.

    Still... CK emailed me and said that they're coming out with an entirely new 157 hub with a new hub body an all, and that the 150 is not going to have a 157 replacement axle. Hope I'm wrong or that they changed their mind. Maybe CK can chime in here?

    M.
  • 02-12-2013
    billybobzia
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by daisycutter View Post
    Buying a Hadley hub is never a mistake. DT SWiss makes good hubs but I have found Hadleys to be in a league of their own.

    totally agree..
  • 02-12-2013
    rdhfreethought
    Received email message today (1 day delay), from Chris King. Hubs are due in April for sure. They have known this for a few months now. Everything in on schedule. I am impressed with their prompt reply, makes me happy to own a handful of their products.

    However, I think April is just a little too late. Hadley it is. I guess I can always switch later. Somehow, I don't think so.
  • 02-24-2013
    madriaanse
    Yeah, I ended up ordering a Hope Pro2 EVO. As much as I like Chris King, they missed the boat on this one for me. Stoked to get my V10c up and running!!!!

    M.
  • 02-25-2013
    chillindrdude
    I put the 147x12 endcaps on the hope pro 2 150mm rear hub and worked beautifully.
  • 03-19-2013
    kboth
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by gretch View Post
    I had to remove the 157mm end caps on my Havocs to fit them to the 150mm spacing on my 951... guess what? You need a 12mm hex key... who has that in their toolbox? Well, I do now.

    Too funny. I did the same thing and bought the biggest hex key I've ever seen. I was happy to get rid of that tool with those wheels.
  • 03-19-2013
    kboth
    LBS recieved a new King 157 today and will try to re-lace using my existing spokes (they only had one day of riding from last season). The new hub looks the exact same with different ends to the axle (almost like end caps that don't come off). I'm told they changed the width of the body slightly, so not holding my breath on being able to re-use the spokes due to length. I'll take some pictures to post when I get it back.
  • 03-19-2013
    bg.
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by kboth View Post
    I'm told they changed the width of the body slightly, so not holding my breath on being able to re-use the spokes due to length. I'll take some pictures to post when I get it back.

    Cool, thanks. I'm interested to know the change in spoke length.
  • 03-19-2013
    Lelandjt
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by kboth View Post
    I'm told they changed the width of the body slightly, so not holding my breath on being able to re-use the spokes due to length. I'll take some pictures to post when I get it back.

    I would think CK would supply the hub dimensions that are relevant to spoke length for both the hubs, likely on their website.

    Edit: The measurements are there for all the hubs except the new 157 so if I bought one of those I'd call and ask what the numbers are before lacing.
  • 03-29-2013
    rdhfreethought
    1 Attachment(s)
    Chris King 157x12 are here
    After all the back and forth, decided to stick with the Ck hubs, which is what I originally wanted. Super stoked. Get to build it up tomorrow.
  • 03-29-2013
    bg.
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by rdhfreethought View Post
    After all the back and forth, decided to stick with the Ck hubs, which is what I originally wanted. Super stoked. Get to build it up tomorrow.

    You got the 157 hub? Mine's still on order.

    I sold of my 150 a few weeks ago...good thing the snow's still here so there's no big rush on finishing my build.
  • 03-30-2013
    rdhfreethought
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by bg. View Post
    You got the 157 hub? Mine's still on order.

    I sold of my 150 a few weeks ago...good thing the snow's still here so there's no big rush on finishing my build.

    I ordered it in November. So, I was probably one of the first on the waiting list. Black appears to be the first run, so depending on other factors like color, the others will come later. When I spoke to King several weeks ago, they had most of the run in processing already. I guess it takes a while to complete the batches.
  • 03-30-2013
    Lelandjt
    DT 240s
    The same end caps convert a 135 to 142 and a 150 to 157. QBP has a part # for them but doesn't expect them to be in stock till the end of April.
  • 06-13-2013
    recitio
    Anyone know what's up with Mavics & 157mm conversion?
  • 09-16-2013
    Marshall Willanholly
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by madriaanse View Post
    Yeah that would be cool. There is nothing wrong with my 150 ISO, other than it missing 3.5mm on each end. I'd love to keep it and just put a new axle in it, instead of getting rid of a perfectly good hub/wheel.

    Still... CK emailed me and said that they're coming out with an entirely new 157 hub with a new hub body an all, and that the 150 is not going to have a 157 replacement axle. Hope I'm wrong or that they changed their mind. Maybe CK can chime in here?

    M.

    I just finished an email exchange with Chris King. They will not offer a way to convert the older 150mm hubs to 157.

    I'm so happy, my CK 150mm hub is only about a year old and now it's a $400 paperweight. It boggles my mind that they can't make an axle for the older hubs with an additional 3.5mm on each side. It's not like I'm asking them to make a 1-1/8" headset fit a 44mm headtube.
  • 09-16-2013
    daisycutter
    All the more reason why I love Hadley hubs.
  • 09-16-2013
    bg.
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Marshall Willanholly View Post
    I just finished an email exchange with Chris King. They will not offer a way to convert the older 150mm hubs to 157.

    I'm so happy, my CK 150mm hub is only about a year old and now it's a $400 paperweight. It boggles my mind that they can't make an axle for the older hubs with an additional 3.5mm on each side. It's not like I'm asking them to make a 1-1/8" headset fit a 44mm headtube.

    Yeah, same frustration here.

    Since this thread is back, I might as well say that I've been on a CK 157 all season, riding alot and did a trip to Whistler. Great hub, runs just like the other CK hubs that I own.
    I built the wheel with the spokes I had ordered for my 150, so there was no significant spoke length change.
  • 09-16-2013
    delirian
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by bg. View Post
    Yeah, same frustration here.

    Since this thread is back, I might as well say that I've been on a CK 157 all season, riding alot and did a trip to Whistler. Great hub, runs just like the other CK hubs that I own.
    I built the wheel with the spokes I had ordered for my 150, so there was no significant spoke length change.

    not sure if its the same,,, i am asuiming it is,,, on my hope pro2 i used the same spacers as the 142 to make my 150 fit my 157 knolly podium,,,
    i was told by my mate who is a mechanic and hope dealer, that the same spacers are used to convert 135 to 142 and 150 to 157,,,,
  • 02-11-2016
    Lithified
    Bringing this thread back from dead. Anyone know if Saint M820 rear hub can go 157mm?