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    Canfield Brothers 2008 Formula 1 Jedi

    Hey guys/gals,

    Thought I'd share this stuff with you all now that it's release is official. This bike is awesome, sure to be a contender on the DH courses and give us some options away from the "big manufactures".

    I don't know a lot of the technical info, I just do some graphic design for Lance and Chris. If you've got questions/orders be sure and contact them.

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    yup sicklines has like 8 pics with diffrent linkage and diffrent parts i think thats actually my next bike no matter what kinda of crap my crew talks
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    So amazing.

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    that bike looks sooooo sick... i want one... But not happening anytime soon... lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrpercussive
    that bike looks sooooo sick... i want one... But not happening anytime soon... lol
    yup, i got till feb. when they come out haha
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    Here are a couple more, but in brown. The detail and craftmanship are just amazing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheMauler
    yup, i got till feb. when they come out haha

    You'll probably be one of the first. Congrats!

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    i love the look of blue links! very sick! when it'll be available to order?
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    blue black looks good... what about white frame and red links?? XD

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    Rick I love you man! I can't even believe that since that one day in winter park where you were just talking to lance about potentially doing some work for him, you have been pumping out some good work my friend! I am super stoked to see that things are going well. And as for the bike, wow, just wow. never seen anything like it and I hope it really takes off for those guys. Glad to know someone who is down for the revolution! WOOO
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    Quote Originally Posted by untoco
    i love the look of blue links! very sick! when it'll be available to order?
    feb last i hear from chris canfield
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    Quote Originally Posted by mrpercussive
    blue black looks good... what about white frame and red links?? XD
    man ive seen blue, white, and red links and let me say whoa... im gonna have a harder time decidng my color scheme than anything.
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    That might be my new Dh bike for next year. Is it a 1 1/8 or 1.5 headtube? Does anyone have the geometry specs?

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    Anyone have pricing, or geometry specs?
    This very well may be my new DH bike.

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    no price yet, that im aware of and i believe its 1 1/8 like i sayed not 100% but pretty sure
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    Quote Originally Posted by cmooreboards
    Rick I love you man! I can't even believe that since that one day in winter park where you were just talking to lance about potentially doing some work for him, you have been pumping out some good work my friend! I am super stoked to see that things are going well. And as for the bike, wow, just wow. never seen anything like it and I hope it really takes off for those guys. Glad to know someone who is down for the revolution! WOOO
    What's up Chase? Yeah, it's pretty sweetl. Chris and Lance are super cool guys. I'm happy to be associated with such a great company.

    Make sure you guys get over to WP and Keystone next season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Speedwa
    That might be my new Dh bike for next year. Is it a 1 1/8 or 1.5 headtube? Does anyone have the geometry specs?

    Sorry, no "geo" specs. I never had to deal with any of that stuff.

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    It isn't gonna be cheap but it looks to be sweet

    The ONE and the Sauce will have a burly option with a 1.5" headset and ribbed tubing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtb_biker
    It isn't gonna be cheap but it looks to be sweet

    The ONE and the Sauce will have a burly option with a 1.5" headset and ribbed tubing.
    ya stout im not too down with them but i guess there alright for what there gonna do... but ya burly nonetheless
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    Quote Originally Posted by mtb_biker
    It isn't gonna be cheap but it looks to be sweet

    The ONE and the Sauce will have a burly option with a 1.5" headset and ribbed tubing.

    Speaking of the One, here's a little info on it as well.

    By the way, one of the cool little touches the bros. do with all the new frames is that the "stickers" aren't stickers at all. They are actually etched into the frame, looks really sweet.
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    Listen! Missed the booth @ I-Bike Ricky!

    Quote Originally Posted by rep_1969
    What's up Chase? Yeah, it's pretty sweetl. Chris and Lance are super cool guys. I'm happy to be associated with such a great company.

    Make sure you guys get over to WP and Keystone next season.
    Yo Ricky, Nice job man! Mr. Industry man! Woohoo! LOL Gotta give ya some crap bud. LOL Meant to make by the CBros booth but was just too busy with meetings. Wasnt cool coming off the broken leg and standing up and walking for soo long at the show. Never got a reply from you, how was yr last day @ Keystone? Hope all is well! TTYL!!

    Looking forward to hangin out and hittin Keystone next season with ya man!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheMauler
    no price yet, that im aware of and i believe its 1 1/8 like i sayed not 100% but pretty sure

    Some Interbike pics... those guys are pimps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IntenseRdr
    Yo Ricky, Nice job man! Mr. Industry man! Woohoo! LOL Gotta give ya some crap bud. LOL Meant to make by the CBros booth but was just too busy with meetings. Wasnt cool coming off the broken leg and standing up and walking for soo long at the show. Never got a reply from you, how was yr last day @ Keystone? Hope all is well! TTYL!!

    Looking forward to hangin out and hittin Keystone next season with ya man!

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    Yo, what up Mikey?

    You didn't see their booth at I-bike because they were part of the "Vegas Resistance".

    check it out: http://www.vegasresistance.com/

    Last weekend at Keystone was stellar!! Yes, get down here next year, but don't break anything!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by wyrm
    Some Interbike pics... those guys are pimps.

    PIMPS INDEED!! Looking like about 6 grand there. Very nice build Canfield's!!

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    Damn nice frame...
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    Here is the Geometry sheet for the F1 Jedi. Cheers
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    Whatever u do Lance or Chris don't sell a bike to "The Mauler" ok cool.
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    Quote Originally Posted by #1ORBUST
    Whatever u do Lance or Chris don't sell a bike to "The Mauler" ok cool.
    i already got one on order with chris....
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    i realize they have a upper idler, but im not seeing the 0 chain growth deal. there has to be some minimal change. what is the shock stroke length in that beast? it is dead sexiest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wyrm
    Some Interbike pics... those guys are pimps.
    Damm that bike is sick, perfect build and component choices, Jedi and the One would be an awesome Combo

    One for AM/light FR love to see some geo numbers
    JEDI for DH

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    Just noticed the low rise OS Diety bar yum very sweet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bighitboy
    i realize they have a upper idler, but im not seeing the 0 chain growth deal. there has to be some minimal change.
    They might be able to pull it off with the right placement of the lower chainguide pulley and upper idler.The chainstay length is growing through the travel, but the chain is also going straighter at the same time and that's maybe enough to negate that chainstay length growth.

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    thats hot!

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    mine coming in feb 2999.00 with avy email Chris for specs

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    I liked the height of bottom braket (357 mm), and avalanche on the back is great choice! I rode it for some time, and what can I say.... You'll be happy for sure :]

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    Quote Originally Posted by mario.broo
    I liked the height of bottom braket (357 mm), and avalanche on the back is great choice! I rode it for some time, and what can I say.... You'll be happy for sure :]
    I was going to replace my trail bike with a One, but now I'm thinking I might have to replace my M1 with a F1. Decisions, decisions!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bighitboy
    i realize they have a upper idler, but im not seeing the 0 chain growth deal. there has to be some minimal change. what is the shock stroke length in that beast? it is dead sexiest.

    Lots of chain length growth on this bike. When I talked to them they said it had more chain growth than the last F1. I'm trying to remember my numbers here, but I think that it starts at 16.75"BB and grow to just over 18" at end stroke. The idea is to have a rear ward moving wheel to get over objects at faster speeds. Your wheel base actually grows to give you more stability. Without the upper pulley this system would not work, the upper pulley allows it to have virtually little actual chain growth.

    These bikes are built to be speed machines. They keep the original idea to position the rider more over the bars. This idea is to help the rider get up and over the front for better cornering. More steering with the upper body and hips. It forces you into a racing position... boobs to the tubes. I think that it is a work of art.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bamxbam
    mine coming in feb 2999.00 with avy email Chris for specs
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    THANK YOU for coming up with the "DH Size" on the top tube. It's one of the most important measurements on a DH bike and no one has it. I posted last year on the IH forum about it and on the DH forum too, but no one else seemed to understand the importance and would give you the stupid and useless "Effective top tube length".

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    Yo, what up Mikey?

    You didn't see their booth at I-bike because they were part of the "Vegas Resistance".

    check it out: http://www.vegasresistance.com/

    Last weekend at Keystone was stellar!! Yes, get down here next year, but don't break anything!!
    Yo Ricky, I did see Chris walking in the show with one of the bikes though. LOL Good to hear Keystone was good. Yeah I dont plan on breaking anything at Keystone. Thats what happens at Whistler. LOL Not too bad though. Only in the ER 2 out of 7 years going up there. Right? Would have rather not hit the ER any of the days. Hope you plan on riding a Canfield!! I have been telling yuo about them for awhile now!! You will love the DH rig! When I rode Chris's DH rig at Bootleg I loved the ride it had! Do one if you have the chance man!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bighitboy
    i realize they have a upper idler, but im not seeing the 0 chain growth deal. there has to be some minimal change. what is the shock stroke length in that beast? it is dead sexiest.
    The Jedi has 1.5mm growth and then it shrinks. Although it is almost nothing a single speed would still need a tensioner (from my experience). A shimano 105 worked well for me as a tensioner. You can get the chain really tight without having to plan for stretch.

    The shock is a 222 x 70 (8.75 x 2.75) and fits all shock brands.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trailadvent
    Damm that bike is sick, perfect build and component choices, Jedi and the One would be an awesome Combo

    One for AM/light FR love to see some geo numbers
    JEDI for DH

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    I wish and hope Canfeild get a decent Website, nothing flashy by just something static easy to nav and is standard 800x600 for optiomal viewing, its not hard or expensive.
    Here is the One geometry in 8" setting.

    Our site is in shambles. We are going to get a temp site up soon with all the new stuff and as much info as possible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LarryFahn
    THANK YOU for coming up with the "DH Size" on the top tube. It's one of the most important measurements on a DH bike and no one has it. I posted last year on the IH forum about it and on the DH forum too, but no one else seemed to understand the importance and would give you the stupid and useless "Effective top tube length".

    Fahn
    I agree, it's one of the most important numbers on the bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flymybike
    Here is the One geometry in 8" setting.

    Our site is in shambles. We are going to get a temp site up soon with all the new stuff and as much info as possible.
    Cheers flymybike, Im liking the looks of this more and more, how much abuse can that seat top tube juction take on the one?

    The rest looks bullet proof, great to her about the website, I know how frustrating it can be to set them up, content etc

    Look fwd to it, hope you guys had a great Ibike, you got anyone racing we can keep an eye on results wise? DH, anything?

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    Quote Originally Posted by trailadvent
    Cheers flymybike, Im liking the looks of this more and more, how much abuse can that seat top tube juction take on the one?

    The rest looks bullet proof, great to her about the website, I know how frustrating it can be to set them up, content etc

    Look fwd to it, hope you guys had a great Ibike, you got anyone racing we can keep an eye on results wise? DH, anything?

    cheers
    The conection is a internally ribbed tube with the side plates extenting to the seat tube. The seat tube has alot of support but just before we build we are going to break the protos and thats one of the tests. If it need a small gusset it will be easy and light to do.

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    would the One be a usable slopestyle rig?
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    Stupid question, Answer is Balance...

    Sorry.

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    Off topic a little bit

    Any changes for the Balance?

    Quote Originally Posted by flymybike
    I agree, it's one of the most important numbers on the bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by clarkgriswald
    Any changes for the Balance?

    I think they are only making the F1, One and Sauce now. I think.

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    that is a dope a$$ frame
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    Thats it. I'm getting a job and buying that frame.

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    Hi. I must say that i like what the canfield brothers are doing here.
    The Jedi look super clean

    I currently ride a 04-05 F1. And i love this frame...
    However its geting old now, and will soon be ready for retirement...

    As i said earlier i love the design of the jedi, but it just doesnt look as bombproof as the older frames...
    So my question is:
    Can the jedi compare to my F1 when it comes to stiffness?
    And can it withstand me at 220?
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    Is the Jedi a 2.8-1 leverage ratio? Please tell me that it comes with a 1.5 headtube.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rep_1969
    I think they are only making the F1, One and Sauce now. I think.
    The Balance and the Lucky are getting replaced with the CanCan and CanDiggle, both with 1.5 HT.
    The line up for 08 is F1 Jedi (7.75" DH race), CanDiggle (7-8" DH/Freeride), One (7-8" Enduro,AM), CanCan (5-6" Freeride, DJ), Sauce (5-6" AM, XC Race).
    The One and CanDiggle are close to the same, The One is lighter and geo for a 6-7" fork and the CanDiggle is a DH build. Same with the Sauce and CanCan.

    Maden - the Jedi is the new F1 and despite it's light weight (10 lbs frame and shock) it's built really tough. It has 20mm axles at all the pivots (like the older F1s) shorter links that are both one piece and the rear has internally ribbed tubing. I would have no problem putting you on a Jedi, even at 220. Leverage is 2.8 -1
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    Any more info and pictures of the Can Diggle? It will be a hard decision for me between the Jedi and Can Diggle( which looks a lot like the original Lucky Design).

    And like the Hawaiians say, If can, can. If no can, no can.
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    no lucky?!?

    hey flymybike,

    why did you guys discontinue the lucky?

    my friend has a lucky and that thing is completely bad @ss. it was just released, last year, i can't imagine why you guys would discontinue such a sweet ride....any clues?

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    Wow!

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    Quote Originally Posted by sriracha
    hey flymybike,

    why did you guys discontinue the lucky?

    my friend has a lucky and that thing is completely bad @ss. it was just released, last year, i can't imagine why you guys would discontinue such a sweet ride....any clues?

    ya we were talking about this i couldn't come up with an answer...
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    Quote Originally Posted by sriracha
    hey flymybike,

    why did you guys discontinue the lucky?

    my friend has a lucky and that thing is completely bad @ss. it was just released, last year, i can't imagine why you guys would discontinue such a sweet ride....any clues?
    Yah what's up with that??? The Lucky is a sick bike.
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    The Lucky is a sick bike and can compete with the best bikes in the world. I will keep my Lucky forever! We are replacing it with the CanDiggle because of a few reasons.

    The new bikes make better sense in a lot of ways but here are some highlights.

    Pedaling efficency - The new line has a perfect pedaling feel in ALL chainrings where the Lucky, Balance (and every other multi link bike) has a lifting feel in granny ring. Annoying if you ever stand in granny ring. This alone makes our bikes far better any other bike on the market.

    Light weight - The constuction on the new line is far easier to get the weight down and maintain a strong platform. Small CNC parts and triangulated tubing structure is the lightest and strongest way to do it.

    Manufacturing - Ease of fabrication with such a tight pivot placement. Smaller CNC parts to save weight and cost but the best part is that the pivot locations can't move during welding or heat treat resulting in better precision and concistancy.

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    saw one or two of these at Angel Fire. They were nice.
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    Any more info

    on these two..CanCan (5-6" Freeride, DJ), Sauce (5-6" AM, XC Race)?

    Thanks.

    Quote Originally Posted by flymybike
    The Balance and the Lucky are getting replaced with the CanCan and CanDiggle, both with 1.5 HT.
    The line up for 08 is F1 Jedi (7.75" DH race), CanDiggle (7-8" DH/Freeride), One (7-8" Enduro,AM), CanCan (5-6" Freeride, DJ), Sauce (5-6" AM, XC Race).
    The One and CanDiggle are close to the same, The One is lighter and geo for a 6-7" fork and the CanDiggle is a DH build. Same with the Sauce and CanCan.

    Maden - the Jedi is the new F1 and despite it's light weight (10 lbs frame and shock) it's built really tough. It has 20mm axles at all the pivots (like the older F1s) shorter links that are both one piece and the rear has internally ribbed tubing. I would have no problem putting you on a Jedi, even at 220. Leverage is 2.8 -1

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    Any custom frames for us in need of a 25" toptube?

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    Quote Originally Posted by clarkgriswald
    on these two..CanCan (5-6" Freeride, DJ), Sauce (5-6" AM, XC Race)?

    Thanks.
    Here is the Sauce and CanCan geometry sheets. These are preliminary but close. Sorry no 25" top tubes this year. No one seemed to want them, except for you Huck Banzai.
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    rode with a guy in Brianhead that was totally shredding on his Canfield.

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    Man the Lucky was one of the best looking bikes I'd really like to own....

    Any Interbike pics of these nice bikes?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gauss
    Man the Lucky was one of the best looking bikes I'd really like to own....

    Any Interbike pics of these nice bikes?
    here you go, if you go into the gallery at the bottom it has alot more pics of each bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheMauler
    here you go, if you go into the gallery at the bottom it has alot more pics of each bike.

    http://www.sicklines.com/interbike20...field_brothers
    ... no pics of the CanDiggle or CanCan ........ just the 2 that I wanted to check are missing

    Anyway thanks
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    Quote Originally Posted by flymybike
    Here is the Sauce and CanCan geometry sheets. These are preliminary but close. Sorry no 25" top tubes this year. No one seemed to want them, except for you Huck Banzai.
    Dang short people!!



    (How about 24.25?)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gauss
    Man the Lucky was one of the best looking bikes I'd really like to own....

    Any Interbike pics of these nice bikes?

    I believe there are still Lucky frames available. Better get on the horn!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by rep_1969
    I believe there are still Lucky frames available. Better get on the horn!!
    We have a couple large and small Lucky frames left.

    Sorry, no 24+ tt this year. The One and the Sauce will have a 24" tt. The standard sizing we are doing is Jedi, CanDiggle and CanCan will be 21.25, 22.5, 23.5 and the One and Sauce will be 22, 23, 24 tt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gauss
    ... no pics of the CanDiggle or CanCan ........ just the 2 that I wanted to check are missing

    Anyway thanks

    Any new pics/drawings?

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    Make my CanCan like this please. Don't need a seat up my butt on DJs and pedaling is overrated ;-). But seriously, make it like this.

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    i like that very much!

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    Quote Originally Posted by flymybike
    We have a couple large and small Lucky frames left.

    Sorry, no 24+ tt this year. The One and the Sauce will have a 24" tt. The standard sizing we are doing is Jedi, CanDiggle and CanCan will be 21.25, 22.5, 23.5 and the One and Sauce will be 22, 23, 24 tt.
    I wanted a med Lucky, is not fair! Bad lucky!

    I was hoping for this one for the next year, that's why I wrote with that feeling: "I'd like to own"... I forgot to write the whole sentence: "... for the next year".

    However it's a nice and smart idea the new sizes on the FR rigs, now there are just the perfect sizes for me, 22.5 for FR and 23 for AM. I'm still waiting for those missing shots to show up! I just hope a nice downtube as the Lucky at least. One of the things I didn't like from the first Lucky was it's simple aesthetic tubing, the last Lucky is just sexy.
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    I'm serious about the CanCan top tube and seat tube. Make it flat, slam the seat, rule the slopestyle parks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by flymybike
    The CanCan and CanDiggle,
    Nice names!

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    Anyone every ridden a One that can talk about how they ride? I live in St George and do a ton of aggressive all mountain and freeride stuff but the good rides here mostly require technical climbing to the top so I would be curious how they climb and how i could build it. Trips to ski resorts and such will happen also.

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    I have ridden the One

    It really lives up to the hype from my time on it. It was build up with a 180mm domain up front and a dhx 5 coil for rear and in the 8 in travel. 33lbs was total ride weight with xc oriented tires. The tires were the only thing that held the bike back on the downs. I am sure you have ridden a dh bike with 8 inches of travel but if not, they feel ultra deep. Lots of sag and sometimes and isolated feel from the trail. This bike didn't feel like that in the rear. I'm used to a 6 inch bike for nearly all my riding and that is what the One felt like but then you really noticed that extra travel on the bigger moves or when you get into trouble. That is the best way to describe it to me. It is a capable bike but not really a DH bike. You could use it for that but think more like a really lively deep travel bike.
    It pedals great. I heard that they are having such a great response to this bike that they just upped their orders to meet the demand. There is no down side to the pedalling. There is no pedal kickback that I could feel. The bike actually accelerated when you laid down the power. I think this frame with a coil rear and a totem 2 step or ata/eta 66 would be an incredible setup. It handily outclimbed my 6in bike and offered more for the downs. I think the hardest part about owning this bike would be figuring out what tires to run. Light?, heavy?, fast?, grippy?, its capable of so much. Maybe two wheelsets are the way to go. I think they are going to sell the piss out of this frame.

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    makes me wonder what it would ride like with a roco coil. or even a ccdb or avy chubby.

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    my experience

    My experience with a parallel linkage/vpp design is that it pedals better with an open shock and of course is beneficial when going down. I would definitely go with a Roco, or the other options if you have case to spare. Maybe you should try them all and give us a report back

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    Quote Originally Posted by combatkimura
    Make my CanCan like this please. Don't need a seat up my butt on DJs and pedaling is overrated ;-). But seriously, make it like this.
    I don't think the tire would ever clear the seat & it's prob stronger to have the curve.

    Gauss: Take a look at the Smalls. The lucky's sizes are weird. My Bro got a small and it's perfect, it feels like a Med but with just a shorter seat tube.
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    Look better?

    The top of the seat is 16.5" from the BB. The seat tube is a 13" on a small CanCan.

    I felt the small Luckys ran a hair big too although it lines up with other small sizes in the market. The Lucky is a 22" effective tt, the new Jedi, CanCan and CanDiggle have 21.25" tt.
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    I really like the short tt's on the smalls. Hopefully 66 crowns can clear the down tube as well. Can't wait to see the production models.

    Any actual bike pics of the CanCan or canDiggle?

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    how much?

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    CanDiggle plz!
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    Quote Originally Posted by flymybike
    The Lucky is a sick bike and can compete with the best bikes in the world. I will keep my Lucky forever! We are replacing it with the CanDiggle because of a few reasons.

    The new bikes make better sense in a lot of ways but here are some highlights.

    Pedaling efficency - The new line has a perfect pedaling feel in ALL chainrings where the Lucky, Balance (and every other multi link bike) has a lifting feel in granny ring. Annoying if you ever stand in granny ring. This alone makes our bikes far better any other bike on the market.
    I must admit, I'm a bit puzzled by this. The canfield bros of all people must know the benefit of the high pivot better than anyone else! Just look at the Jedi...it's gorgeous. But they've gone away from (virtual) high pivot of the lucky and the balance on the new bikes to a much lower virtual pivot that doesn't move much through the travel. This seems like a step backwards?!

    Yeah, I see what he's saying about pedalling efficiency above, but I always liked a bit of dig in the granny gear. Seems to me the benefits of the virtual high pivot bikes like the older balance and lucky would outweigh this benefit of pedalling efficiency by being plusher on rough stuff, corner better, and have better anti-squat...

    Sure, if your designing an XC bike, the One linkage looks perfect, but this is a 7-8" travel bike!

    Maybe Canfield can explain this shift in philosphy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by flymybike
    The top of the seat is 16.5" from the BB. The seat tube is a 13" on a small CanCan.

    I felt the small Luckys ran a hair big too although it lines up with other small sizes in the market. The Lucky is a 22" effective tt, the new Jedi, CanCan and CanDiggle have 21.25" tt.

    That looks great, but I guess with the clearance with the tire and seat under full compression it leaves room for the curved toptube anyway. Can't wait to see them!

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    I just hope either the CanCan or the CanDiggle are better looking than a Turner Highline, I'm expecting anywhere in the 2008 to get somewhat like that... a Lucky with the new TT at 22.5" would been killer... but life is not always perfect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pslide
    I must admit, I'm a bit puzzled by this. The canfield bros of all people must know the benefit of the high pivot better than anyone else! Just look at the Jedi...it's gorgeous. But they've gone away from (virtual) high pivot of the lucky and the balance on the new bikes to a much lower virtual pivot that doesn't move much through the travel. This seems like a step backwards?!

    Yeah, I see what he's saying about pedalling efficiency above, but I always liked a bit of dig in the granny gear. Seems to me the benefits of the virtual high pivot bikes like the older balance and lucky would outweigh this benefit of pedalling efficiency by being plusher on rough stuff, corner better, and have better anti-squat...

    Sure, if your designing an XC bike, the One linkage looks perfect, but this is a 7-8" travel bike!

    Maybe Canfield can explain this shift in philosphy?
    The Lucky and Balance frames have a pretty low pivot on them. Hence no pulley wheel to deal with chainstretch. The granny on them does what all virtual pivot bike do- they lift to topout when you get out of the saddle. Feels like a inchworm- Not good= but okay if you are seated or only running a big ring.
    So, all virtual pivot bike are designed around one ring to work right- Because your chainline moves alot between front chainrings.



    Our new suspension is the result of designing Parallel Link suspension for the last 8 years! Longer than anyone else in the business.
    Plus our test ridders are US! The guys designing the suspension.

    The new suspension is the result of all of our passion for the perfect suspension that works the same in all the front chainrings!
    That is why 4 of 5 new models are running it.

    The new ONE and Sauce- Can-Can and Can-Diggle all run the exact same suspension. The only one in the world right now that is perfect in the 32 and the 22t rings. Both feel perfect. no movement up or down with pedaling in or out of the saddle.
    The most efficient and best feeling suspensions we have ridden.

    The one is a XC frame- but if you can have 7-8" without any problems climbing it- Why not? It is designed around the same build you would put on a 6" AM frame.
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    so update to the candiggle??? photos???

    So no more lucky med's left over. if there is one back there hidding let me know flymybike
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    Well, you guys have the benefit of riding them...along with the 8 years of development...so I guess you got me beat.

    I'm riding a Balfa 2 step at the moment, and I love the way the bike works. The virtual pivot point works like the Lucky/Balance I suppose...starting high and getting lower as the suspension travels. Similar to the DW link as well. It seems like the best way to design a bike...plush on hits due to the rearward travel, a bit a chain stretch to lock the suspension out a bit under power for better acceleration, great cornering, braking, anti-squat, etc.

    So I was surprised to see a move away from this type of design when you guys spent so long perfecting it, and move to a linkage design that minimizes chain stretch in the name of pedalling efficiency in all rings. I guess I never stand up in the granny ring...does anybody? And I'd trade granny ring efficiency for a bit of rearward axle path for ride down...

    From the one ride report, sounds good. Indeed, if it pedals like a 6" bike, why not ride a 7-8" bike! Would love to ride one. Canfield will always get my respect - and I'm sure a few podiums with the Jedi!

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    Quote Originally Posted by doodooboi
    so update to the candiggle??? photos???

    So no more lucky med's left over. if there is one back there hidding let me know flymybike
    Sorry, no photos yet. Only the model pictures.

    The medium Luckys sold out fast. I have a used large Lucky complete with a WC 888 Air if your tall enough. We have a few small and large frames left only.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pslide
    Well, you guys have the benefit of riding them...along with the 8 years of development...so I guess you got me beat.

    I'm riding a Balfa 2 step at the moment, and I love the way the bike works. The virtual pivot point works like the Lucky/Balance I suppose...starting high and getting lower as the suspension travels. Similar to the DW link as well. It seems like the best way to design a bike...plush on hits due to the rearward travel, a bit a chain stretch to lock the suspension out a bit under power for better acceleration, great cornering, braking, anti-squat, etc.

    So I was surprised to see a move away from this type of design when you guys spent so long perfecting it, and move to a linkage design that minimizes chain stretch in the name of pedalling efficiency in all rings. I guess I never stand up in the granny ring...does anybody? And I'd trade granny ring efficiency for a bit of rearward axle path for ride down...

    From the one ride report, sounds good. Indeed, if it pedals like a 6" bike, why not ride a 7-8" bike! Would love to ride one. Canfield will always get my respect - and I'm sure a few podiums with the Jedi!
    We haven't moved away from rearward wheelpath designs. We have taken it a step further with the Jedi which is what it sounds like your talking about. The thing is that a rearward wheel path IS optimal for DH but not an all around bike. It's a difficult thing to have a front derailleur on a bike with a upper pulley. I've only seen the Cortina prototype Adrian was walking around with at Interbike. Very cool concept BTW. Minimizing chain stretch is a good thing because it eliminates pedal kick. Many bikes have used a high pivot to "lift" the bike under acceleration which gives a hard pedal feel but because it lifts, you're using energy to lift your body weight up with every pedal stroke instead of only moving you forward. If you have the perfect balance of lift, only enough to counter your body weight as you push down on the pedals, the bike will not move up or down, only forward. The Jedi uses a upper pulley to put the chainline on the high pivot to accomplish the same thing. Without the upper pulley, ie One, Sauce, CanCan and CanDiggle, the pivot must be just the right height and have just enough pivot movement, in our case high to low.
    Eliminating the lift in granny ring is one of the last unsolvable problems with parrallel link designs and that's why we have addressed it. We are striving for the perfect suspension for the intended use.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flymybike
    Sorry, no photos yet. Only the model pictures.

    The medium Luckys sold out fast. I have a used large Lucky complete with a WC 888 Air if your tall enough. We have a few small and large frames left only.

    Oh well, it's a little to big for me. 5'10" got any photo's of that large anyways, just for bike porn sake!!
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