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    888 RC2X or Fox 40 RC2 For my Demo 7

    I just picked up a new Demo 7 I, and I have heard alot of bad things about the Totem Coil that comes on it, so i was planning to put either a Fox 40 RC2 or a Marzocchi 888 RC2X onto it. I was leaning toward the 40 because i can drop the travel on it to get about the same geometry as the totem probably, but what do you guys think? Is that really a big deal, or would the extra 20mm of travel on the RC2X not even be noticable?

    What are the pros and cons of each? Does the weight make differnce? I dont want a front fork that i cant pick up off the ground, or one that will make the bike real nose heavy in the air. What do you guys think? I can get either fork for about the same price, so thats really not a concern right now.
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    A friend of mine has a demo 7 with an '05 888 with flat crowns. He also removed some spacer on the shock to give the rear end eight inches of travel. It feels perfect. I'd say do the 888 with flat crowns.
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    Why would you ditch a brand new fork just because you heard bad things about it? I personally have not heard many bad things about Totems.

    To answer your question, 20mm extra travel will change your geo. A general rule of thumb is 20mm equals 1 degree slacker head angle. It will also raise you BB a measurable amount.

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    I am almost positive that the RC2X won't make a diff. And the 40 is basically a pure-bred race fork.
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    If you are spending a freaking assload on a 40, why not get a 888RC2X VA, and get the best of both worlds!?
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    All good suggestions. What kind of "ass-orderant" would you recommend?

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    First and foremost, what are these "Bad" things you hear about Totems? I've only heard good things about them.

    Secondly, If you got the money I'd get a 888SL ATA over a Fox 40, you can adjust travel from 160-200mm so you can hit the sweet spot. Weighs 6.5 lbs, and is strong. Doppio has been proven reliable as well.
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    I have head that the Totems have issues with the seals......it could be BS, but i was hoping to put a dual crown on the bike anyways. I can get a new 07 40 RC2 for $830, or a new 07 888 RC2X for $800. I already have a guy that is willing to buy the Totem Coil that came on the Demo 7 I for $550 (it is new), so it would be around $250 for swap, and i already have the new headset to reduce from the 1.5" steerer to the 1 1/8".

    What do you mean by a pure-bred race fork.....does that mean it handles awesome, but considered disposable?

    The whole DH/FR thing is sort of new to me, i did mostly XC stuff before this, but last weekend, i got a chance to do some freeriding/dh with lift service, and i freakin loved it on my Enduro SL.....but quickly realized i needed a bigger bike, hence the demo purchase. I come from an MX background and this stuff seems right up my alley, i just want the best bike for the job.
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    Meaning.. They are supple and tend to bottom out easily. They are not meant for freeride... The Demo 7 is a freeride bike, if I remember correctly. The 40's BTW. I don't think you are really changing the rake if you limit the travel. I think that the 40's used travel spacers to limit the travel, so it didn't change anything really, just that it would bottom out quicker.
    The RC2X VA is where it's at. You can change travel by winding the work down.
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    All good suggestions. What kind of "ass-orderant" would you recommend?

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    You're nuts. So lets say it has a seal prob. Well there goes 30minutes(conservatively speaking) resealing it. That bike was made to run a burly single crown, can you put a dual crown on, sure, but why. Just go buy a demo 8 if you want a dual crown. Suppose this prob is real, haven't it though, its not like a leaking seal is going to cause catastrophic failure.

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    I did want the Demo 8, the shop couldnt get one for a while, but the said the demo 8 has 8.2" of travel, and the 7 can have close to 8" of travel in the rear end with the spacer taken out. I guess i just want a DC fork up front, i am not worried about the breaking the fork by any means. But from what i am hearing, it sounds like the RC2X stands above both the Totem and the 40.
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    I'm sorry, you are absolutely retarded. I can't really guess what's going on up there in your brain, but, I can't figure out why you'd replace a Totem Coil.
    First off, the only one with issues was the 2-Step, which has since been fixed. Second, your replacing the highest quality single crown soley to go dual crown? Please explain further, if I have misinterpreted...

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    This is the thread I remembered about the Totem. Also while at Whistler I noticed that 8 out of ten Totems had blown seals and oil all over the stantions. I'm not sure if this is the same fork that comes on the Demo 7,,, you'll need to check the model.
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    i guess i am retarded.....if replacing a single crown fork for a dual crown fork makes me retarded.

    I guess everyone that bought a new dh fork, and didnt buy a totem is retarded.
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    i say ride it until you get those problems you've heard of
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    you guys are fycking *****. dont call him retarded for claiming theirs problems with the totems. just do a search on this board or the susp board.

    A demo 7 with a fox 40 at 7" travel would be a MUCH more nimble and snappier bike than the demo 8. as a matter o fact, one of the wrenches down at the shop has that exact set up and kills norba semi pro.

    the 40 is plenty fork to handle some freeride, ..the 888SL ATA is an air fork if im not mistaken...

    I race and ride my 40 and love it.

    Thats defiantly my vote..

    and to whoever said it.. what makes the d7 built for a burly SC.. is it the 1.5ht??... go look at a turner DHR...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jut8
    i guess i am retarded.....if replacing a single crown fork for a dual crown fork makes me retarded.

    I guess everyone that bought a new dh fork, and didnt buy a totem is retarded.
    I just dont understand WHY your changing it...that's all...

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    Quote Originally Posted by coiler8
    I'm sorry, you are absolutely retarded. I can't really guess what's going on up there in your brain, but, I can't figure out why you'd replace a Totem Coil.
    First off, the only one with issues was the 2-Step, which has since been fixed. Second, your replacing the highest quality single crown soley to go dual crown? Please explain further, if I have misinterpreted...
    youre fycking out of it homie. cool your jets

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    on the totem i rode wit a guy the other day wit one.... has had it rebuilt for loose bushings... and after like 3 runs they were really loose again i've heard of that happening with them too... but perhaps a unusual case... However my .02 love zocchi quality and realiabilty if you are going to up your rear travel to 8 inches then i would highly suggest one.... i have my 07 rc2x on the way to me as we speak

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    Quote Originally Posted by coiler8
    I just dont understand WHY your changing it...that's all...
    He is changing it because of personal prefrence. He just likes them better. You're just very confused on who the retard is on this board.
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    Quote Originally Posted by coiler8
    I just dont understand WHY your changing it...that's all...
    I changed MINE because it blew up 3x in a month and had bushing play on two sets of lowers that i got from sram. oh, and i've found them to be incredibly linear.

    That's why I put a 888 on my Demo 7. That's WHY it feels at least 6x better then the totem.
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    Reason to dump it= it's new and will sell better now than if he rides it, it blows up, warrantees it, then sell it with scratches all over it for waaay less,,. makes perfect sense to me

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    My Totems just went out on my Demo 7 for the third time. The rebound damping just stops working. It is starting to piss me off about the blowing up. I don't know what is happing to them, they work one minute and then i go to pick my bike up and it isn't working now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by coiler8
    I'm sorry, you are absolutely retarded. I can't really guess what's going on up there in your brain, but, I can't figure out why you'd replace a Totem Coil.
    First off, the only one with issues was the 2-Step, which has since been fixed. Second, your replacing the highest quality single crown soley to go dual crown? Please explain further, if I have misinterpreted...
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    Hey let him sell the totem. They guy buying it is getting a great deal! If he can afford these hot dual crowns, that his choice. The INTERNAL TRAVEL ADJUST on the 40 is very big advantage. It does not make the fork bottom out earlier, it shortens the fork. The 888SL ATA is a good compromise but it has the same problems associated with the 66SL ATA. The problems can be fixed with a little patience though.

    Can boxxer world cups be lowered like fox 40's?
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    Fox 40s

    only bottom out a lot if they are badly set up. Im 215lbs and never had a problem with mine. The internal travel adjust will not cause any problems just make sure the compression dampening is set up right.

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    my 40 is rad!!!! love it.

    and $830 for a Fox40 is a sick deal.

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    I am on my 2nd Totem Coil. The first one broke the damper push rod. It snapped and then the fork was clunking and spewing oil. Sram turnaround time was less than one week, sent me a brand new one not a rebuilt fork. I have had no issues with the seals.

    I have had no problems with the new fork. I did have them up the spring to a red as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snowforner15
    as a matter o fact, one of the wrenches down at the shop has that exact set up and kills norba semi pro...
    Who's that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by coiler8
    I'm sorry, you are absolutely retarded. I can't really guess what's going on up there in your brain...
    WTF? Not cool.

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    save your cash and ride the Totem
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    Quote Originally Posted by chooofoojoo
    I changed MINE because it blew up 3x in a month and had bushing play on two sets of lowers that i got from sram. oh, and i've found them to be incredibly linear.

    That's why I put a 888 on my Demo 7. That's WHY it feels at least 6x better then the totem.
    So i am guessing you liked it huh? Did you notice any big geo changes at first? I am leaning towards the 40, but the RC2x is not out of the question, i am just worried about the bike becoming too nose heavy, should that be a concern not with the rc2x?
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    Ive been riding my totem coil all season without any problems<knocks on wood>...
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    knock on wood.
    Wait until Spring Bandini

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    Quote Originally Posted by Demodude
    Reason to dump it= it's new and will sell better now than if he rides it, it blows up, warrantees it, then sell it with scratches all over it for waaay less,,. makes perfect sense to me

    My thoughts exactly
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    FOX 40 for sure!

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    Quote Originally Posted by kasadude
    on the totem i rode wit a guy the other day wit one.... has had it rebuilt for loose bushings... and after like 3 runs they were really loose again i've heard of that happening with them too... but perhaps a unusual case... However my .02 love zocchi quality and realiabilty if you are going to up your rear travel to 8 inches then i would highly suggest one.... i have my 07 rc2x on the way to me as we speak
    Well, My issue was not on a Totem but 3, YES THREE Lyriks. I had a pair (2 separate cases) of creaky crowns, weak bushings, and a low speed circuit that crapped out. And the kicker is that it all happened in a 3 month period.

    Needless to say, I am now on a Marz.

    Oh, and I do have the 888 RC2x on my R9 and LOVE IT.. You will not be disappointed.

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    Go with the 40. The geo will feel a bit more dialled with 180mm travel. And just because it wsa designed as a "race" fork doesn't mean it can't be hucked. Thats kinda like saying the 888 is a freeride fork so it can't be raced.

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    If you're hard on stuff - don't get a 40, I punched a hole in my lower the second time I rode it (I got off line and clipped a rock by the dropout). I've also heard of this happening to quite a few others. I swapped it out, after buying a new lower, for a 888 SL ATA. The 888 doesn't feel as nice IMO - but it's alot tougher and gets the job done.
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    Can i ask what the new set of lowers ran you?

    I already have the 40 RC2, i may just run it and see what happens, but the RC2X would be a great buy, it looks like i can get a new one for around 750ish to my door. I guess i will just see what happens.
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    my friend's 200mm 888 with flat crowns was actually lower than his totem. 'nuf said. It seems like every totem I see is always spewing oil out the seals. not cool. and 40's aren't that reliable either if you really punish them. 888's are bulletproof, and feel fantastic. My 2 cents...
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    Both the 888 and the 40 will serve you well. I typically would go with the 888, but the fact that you can adjust the travel to 8/7/6 makes a lot of sense. If you look back on some of the older threads, some of the riders like Kidwoo didn't like the D8 with the 8 inch fork, but was much happier on the ride once he put a 7 inch fork on the front. With the Fox, you can choose on the travel option and also have the reducer cups on it.

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    Get rid of the Totem while its new and shiny, I too have decided against it after all the nightmares of blown seals and warranty work (time that could be spent RIDING), just search this forum if you're not familiar.

    It would be very difficult to make a wrong choice when debating between the 888 and the 40.

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    Quote Originally Posted by creyc
    Get rid of the Totem while its new and shiny, I too have decided against it after all the nightmares of blown seals and warranty work (time that could be spent RIDING), just search this forum if you're not familiar.

    It would be very difficult to make a wrong choice when debating between the 888 and the 40.

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    just remember to post some pics up when u put the new fork on it....i will be riding my demo 7 with the totem and hope that nothing goes wrong
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    Marzocchi makes the best forks in my opinion, but then again the 40 is a good fork... If you decide to go with the 888, DO NOT GET THE ATA! I had one and had multiple problems with it, bushings went loose, and then the travel adjustment went out so it was always stuck at 170mm and wouldnt go back to 200mm. but marzocchi was good about it and just replaced the whole thing, haven't had any problems with the 888 RC2X. I love it

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    Quote Originally Posted by lagarto grande
    If you're hard on stuff - don't get a 40, I punched a hole in my lower the second time I rode it (I got off line and clipped a rock by the dropout). I've also heard of this happening to quite a few others. I swapped it out, after buying a new lower, for a 888 SL ATA. The 888 doesn't feel as nice IMO - but it's alot tougher and gets the job done.
    I've been riding my 40 for almost 2 years and have yet to punch a hole in it , but I'm a cream puff.

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    Good call getting rid of the totems.....4 of my buds have had nothing but problems with theirs and any that i see at Silverstar are puking oil(not worth warranty hassle....the forks too new...rock shox has alot of work to do on that one).....go with the rc2x....i have them on my demo 8 and they rock!!!!

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    Okay I've spent a lot of time at Whistler and ride the Shore and surrounding areas alot and the one thing I've noticed after talking with people is everybody's had some fork issue with one manufacturer or the other. The biggest lesson I've learnt, personally and from everyone else, is don't buy a first year product. Its great to have the newest and best but you also end up being a guinea pig and generally have more problems then if you wait at least a year for the product flaws to be found and fixed.

    Of the three different forks being discussed here I have a friend who has a Totem that has leaky seals often and now has a loose steerer tube crown interface. I personally have a first year 40 that needs seals changed every 20 hours or so of riding and has gone through one rebound cartridge already. I've never ridden a 888 but know lots (and I mean lots) of people that have them and of all the forks I see the Marz seem to have the best reliability, this of course means there's no guarantee it'll be perfect but the track record is there.

    So what it all comes down to in my opinion is how much adustability do you want and how much maintanance do you want to do because all three forks are awesome when working, but the Totem and 40 seem to need more attention then the 888. JM .02

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    Keep the totem.
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    If you have a Totem and blow your seals, replace them with Fox 40 seals. They're interchangeable. Ask a good DH shop and they can hook you up.


    But my vote is Marzocchi for reliability. My buddies with 40s absolutely rave about them, but they've all had warranty issues. I've run a Super T, 888rc and 66rc2x over the last 4 years and not a single issue with any of them. Just change your oil every once in a while.

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    Coming up on a year with a 40. Zero problems and zero holes!

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