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    7" travel DH bike

    Looking for a 'mini' dh bike w/ 180mm of travel. Looked at local classifieds and narrowed my price range. Heard good things about both bikes.

    I want to hear about what you prefer and your experience (if any) with the bikes.


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    Thanks a lot guys, everything helps!
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    Check the Faith for cracks around where the seat tube and top tube join together. I know of two people who have cracked theirs frames. No problem getting them replaced but they were the original owners.

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    Thank you for the input. Do you know of anyone that has a TR250?

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    the Faith is listed as a size small and the transition is a size medium big difference ... get the bike that fits you better...

    My husband had a 2012 TR250. Rode it at blue and Mont Ste Anne. Sold it because he needed more travel
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    The TR250 is quite a bit heavier and not pedal friendly like the Faith. Also you do realize the TR250 is frame only? Most are asking $3k for complete which is hilare to me but I guess that's what the market is commanding right now! An awful lot of them (TR250) for sale tells me the bike isn't all that. I had some time on the Faith and it was the most fun FR bike I've ever ridden.

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    The faith is a freeride bike as well, not like a "mini DH bike". Not like the "slopestyle" genera bikes. I suppose you could fix it to some extent with a angleset headset and offset shock reducers, but it won't be anywhere near optimal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gman086 View Post
    The TR250 is quite a bit heavier and not pedal friendly like the Faith. Also you do realize the TR250 is frame only? Most are asking $3k for complete which is hilare to me but I guess that's what the market is commanding right now! An awful lot of them (TR250) for sale tells me the bike isn't all that. I had some time on the Faith and it was the most fun FR bike I've ever ridden.

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    Thank you for the input. I feel very stupid for not realizing that the TR was for the frame only. I should have known b/c of how cheap it was.

    Quote Originally Posted by cyclelicious View Post
    the Faith is listed as a size small and the transition is a size medium big difference ... get the bike that fits you better...

    My husband had a 2012 TR250. Rode it at blue and Mont Ste Anne. Sold it because he needed more travel
    Realizing know that the TR250 was only for the frame, I guess my only option is the Faith. I'm a small guy at 5'7 and I'm pretty light so I guess travel will be fine for me (I hope?). Again I am not quite sure yet.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jayem View Post
    The faith is a freeride bike as well, not like a "mini DH bike". Not like the "slopestyle" genera bikes. I suppose you could fix it to some extent with a angleset headset and offset shock reducers, but it won't be anywhere near optimal.
    So the Faith really is not a good DH bike. What bike should I look at then? Is a bike like the voltage more suitable or do you think it has the same problem?


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    How about any of these?


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    Obviously the session but It's a little out of my price range. Norco seems great but the geometry scares me. Santa Cruz can't handle dh trails?

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    Session 8, sure, but it's a full on DH bike, a great one, but sounds like more than you are looking for?

    Bullit, similar problem as before, more of an AM bike with BB clearance and such for pedaling. May fit the "best" of anything suggested so far, but you could do better IMO.

    Norco shore, even worse than the Faith and same super-heavy "freeride" type bike and not "slopestyle".

    Transition has made some nice bikes along the lines of what you want. The TR250 isn't one of them, but it may be worth looking for used transitions. Specialized Enduro SX is another good one.
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    The only transition bikes I know would be the TR450, 250 and their old Gran Mal. I prefer something with 180mm of suspension +, especially for the bike park. There are a lot of rooty sections and drops. I guess however 170mm would be fine?

    How about the Entourage? Is it the same as the faith?

    I was also thinking about the SX Trail originally. It's a wicked bike but there are none in my area or in Ontario.

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    Try to find a Canfield One. 7 or 8" in the rear, depending on the linkage mount hole you choose. Built like a tank, but still light. Climbs like an AM bike, descends like a nimble DH bike. I'm running a Float 180 fork on mine, and it feels great. It also doesn't void the warranty to put a dual crown on it, so you can go full DH (and still be able to pedal when needed). They were just discontinued this past year, so you'll have to see if you can find one used. But even used, the bike is absolutely amazing. Just do a google search on the bike and you'll see how beloved the bike is. Same with Canfield as a company. Top shelf guys, and even better products.

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    Quote Originally Posted by charging_rhinos View Post
    And sorry, I'm not selling mine. Ever.
    Haha I believe you. Never seen that bike before. Seems like the SX trail, really awesome. Sucks that they discontinued it. Searched it on pinkbike and craigslist and can't find any for sale

    Anyways does Canfield only sell frames?

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    Well, 180 is a bit of an odd travel size, there are definitely some, but you might want to open up to 160-180mm, that would really increase the options. I assume you'd be putting a SC fork up front with 170-180mm of travel.
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    You could also look at 2013 and older Intense Uzzi's. I run mine at 180mm, (7") front and rear and is just under 30lbs. Climbs good and descends great. It has G3 adjustable dropouts to change the geometry and the rear shock linkage is adjustable between 6.5-7" travel. I've ridden it at Mammoth and Snow Summit bike parks recently and it rocks. And like the Canfield, mine will never be for sale.
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    Thats crazy how its under 30lbs. Seems like a great bike. Just searched and there are none in my area but I'll keep a good eye on it. What are your thoughs on the SS2 or the transition blind side?

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    I've heard good things about both, but I don't have any personal experience on either one. Here's a review on the SS2 though and they seem to like it. Good luck.

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    If you don't mind buying used check out a 2011-2012 Specialized SX Trail. Their Status bike is basically the same frame, but with a pretty heavy spec. My 2012 SX weighs in a 36 pounds stock, and I've lightened it a bit.

    Basically, it's everything I've ever wanted in a bike: 7" travel front and rear, awesome linkage design (let's face it, the FSR design was, is, and always will be a great design), 65* head angle, and a low bottom bracket height.

    I climb pretty much everything that is climbable by leveling the saddle and pushing it forward on the rails, and I turn the shock's compression up to about 13 clicks in. I regularly out-climb XC guys. When I get to the top, I back the compression off, drop the post and let it rip. The thing is soooo much fun to ride! Super-nimble, soaks up everything, and is playful on trail-hits, transfers and gaps. Basically, it's a slopestyle bike that isn't out of its element in the gnar and pedals extremely well.
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    The SX trail is my number one pick, but none are in my area and no ones selling one. Unless.....................
























    you sell me yours?

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    Quote Originally Posted by YYZ View Post
    The SX trail is my number one pick, but none are in my area and no ones selling one. Unless.....................
























    you sell me yours?
    LOL. You're funny!!!
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    7" travel DH bike

    Slightly confused as you say 7" DH bike, but now asking for slope style bikes...
    Anyway,
    Look for the following bikes-
    SX Trail last model year
    Voltage (CC ran them with boxxers, various shocks fit)
    Entourage
    Commencal supreme FR
    Giant Glory. (Before the geo changes when they were still wack, and short shock it to slacken it out and reduce travel)
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    Norco Truax (possible FR bike)

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    Specialized Enduro Evo might fit the bill as well. It's kind of the SX trail replacement

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    Quote Originally Posted by bad andy View Post
    Specialized Enduro Evo might fit the bill as well. It's kind of the SX trail replacement
    Not nearly as burly as the SX was though. The Enduro is very light-duty compared to a DH bike, and probably wouldn't stand up to sustained bike park abuse for very long. The SX was built like a tank (and weighed as much too), but it could take quite a beating.

    As was mentioned earlier, you might be able to find a Commencal Supreme FR for a good price. I hear it's a lot of fun to ride, and it may jump better than the DH model with the slightly shorter wheelbase.
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    Another great bike. But again I need to wait until one pops up in my area. A few on pinkbike but most are large/medium and don't ship.
    I will probably wait a couple months when a few more bikes start popping up on pinkbike. There will most likely be a better variety of bikes and hopefully cheaper.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PUNKY View Post
    Slightly confused as you say 7" DH bike, but now asking for slope style bikes...
    I just want a bike that will work good for the bike park and DH runs. I don't want go for a full on DH sled for cash reasons.

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    7" travel DH bike

    With the wheel size switch, you likely will find a lot of people dumping their 26er for the latest and greatest.

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    Not as many as u might think. A lot of people like their 26ers and will likely keep them for as long as possible because they don't believe the hype and I'm one of them. 26ers are better as far as I'm concerned and I won't make the switch for as long as my bike is still able to roll.
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    I too always rode 26ers. Dont like 29ers although they do make good cx bikes. 650b is also not to bad but I still prefer 26ers. I guess its just that way more bikes are coming out with a 27.5 wheel set and how it is kind of a norm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shredman69 View Post
    Not as many as u might think. A lot of people like their 26ers and will likely keep them for as long as possible because they don't believe the hype and I'm one of them. 26ers are better as far as I'm concerned and I won't make the switch for as long as my bike is still able to roll.
    Yeah, you're probably right.
    I mean how many racers sell their bike at the end of the season to get the newest colour-way? Or are under sponsor obligations to run the latest model? Or realize that they could possibly be leaving 10ths of seconds on the track by not switching to a larger wheelsize? Or are in need of a new bike this year as their current ride is slightly dated in the geo department for full on DH racing?

    But yeah, everybody is going to be keeping their 26er DH bikes regardless of the level they compete at...

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    You should look into the Airborne toxin, it has a rockshox 180 mil front fork and a new one costs 1700

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    Quote Originally Posted by PUNKY View Post
    Yeah, you're probably right.
    I mean how many racers sell their bike at the end of the season to get the newest colour-way? Or are under sponsor obligations to run the latest model? Or realize that they could possibly be leaving 10ths of seconds on the track by not switching to a larger wheelsize? Or are in need of a new bike this year as their current ride is slightly dated in the geo department for full on DH racing?

    But yeah, everybody is going to be keeping their 26er DH bikes regardless of the level they compete at...

    I didn't say everybody was going to keep their bikes. I said not as many as you might think would be selling them. So don't get your sarcastic panties in a tangle just because someone doesn't totally agree with you. It comes across as being a little douchie. Some riders will obviously sell their bikes for new ones, but not the majority of riders. Sponsored riders/pros do not make up the majority of riders. Your average rider/weekend warrior isn't going to sell/buy a new bike every year.

    Anyway, good luck on your hunt for a 7" travel 26er YYZ. Let us know what you get.
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    Never heard of Airborne. Just searched it. It's a super cheap bike. But that is what I am afraid of. Do you have any experience with this manufacturer?

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    Re: 7" travel DH bike

    I just ordered this 2015 Trek Session Park with 190mm of travel and 26 wheel.

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    Awesome looking bike. How does it ride?
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    7" travel DH bike

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    Awesome looking bike. How does it ride?
    Doesn't come out till Oct. sadly. Same frame as the Trek Session but shortened the chain stay to make it more playful. I'm hoping it will be awesome ha ha!


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    7" travel DH bike

    I rode a trek session 8 today at Stevens pass. First FS and 26" I ever rode. That was plush. I was riding stuff I would never touch with my ht.29"

    Also they will be selling some of their rentals soon as trek give them new equip.
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    Quote Originally Posted by charging_rhinos View Post
    Try to find a Canfield One. 7 or 8" in the rear, depending on the linkage mount hole you choose. Built like a tank, but still light. Climbs like an AM bike, descends like a nimble DH bike. I'm running a Float 180 fork on mine, and it feels great. It also doesn't void the warranty to put a dual crown on it, so you can go full DH (and still be able to pedal when needed). They were just discontinued this past year, so you'll have to see if you can find one used. But even used, the bike is absolutely amazing. Just do a google search on the bike and you'll see how beloved the bike is. Same with Canfield as a company. Top shelf guys, and even better products.

    And sorry, I'm not selling mine. Ever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YYZ View Post
    Haha I believe you. Never seen that bike before. Seems like the SX trail, really awesome. Sucks that they discontinued it. Searched it on pinkbike and craigslist and can't find any for sale

    Anyways does Canfield only sell frames?
    rides better then the SX....a way better climber and the same descending....but the rear wheel path of the One goes over stuff slightly better
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    SMT... I agree. I rode my 2011 ONE for everything till I built my '14 Jedi over the winter. It then became just my trail bike, at least until the Balance shows up at my door!! It will become my loaner DH bike at that time. The crew at Canfield are nothing but top notch. OP needs to keep looking for a used the ONE frame and build up from there. It's not the fastest climber but definitely gets the job done leaving you in good shape for the fast and fun DH run
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    What are the main differences between the Jedi and One, except the one being discontinued? I would buy a frame but only if I get a good deal on it as I don't have too much cash to spend on a new bike. $2500 is what I have.

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    I'm in the same situation.

    Waiting a mini dh bike for park like whistler/big bear.

    Currently on the 1st type tranisition blindside. Something about the rig I just don't like I want off it stat!

    My bro has a stashed IH 7 point frame. Just think about throwing my 888 air dropped to 7inch. 7/7 would be lively as fuk!

    Thought on IH 7 as park bike?
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    ^^ I'm using my 6 Point for a park bike right now and it's wicked fun. I have an Avy 8.75" shock so it actually has 7" travel (same rear triangle as 7 point). Running a Lyrik DH 170 front with a Works -1.5 deg angleset on her and she RIPS! Those old DW link bikes still ride better than 85% of the current offerings; no joke!

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    Re: 7" travel DH bike

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    I'm in the same situation.

    Waiting a mini dh bike for park like whistler/big bear.

    Currently on the 1st type tranisition blindside. Something about the rig I just don't like I want off it stat!

    My bro has a stashed IH 7 point frame. Just think about throwing my 888 air dropped to 7inch. 7/7 would be lively as fuk!

    Thought on IH 7 as park bike?
    You should check out the park session. Its got a shorter chainstay to make it more playful then the normal dh session. I getting mine for 3400 plus tax.

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    Still some new Uzzi frames available. Makes a great park/all around bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gman086 View Post
    ^^ I'm using my 6 Point for a park bike right now and it's wicked fun. I have an Avy 8.75" shock so it actually has 7" travel (same rear triangle as 7 point). Running a Lyrik DH 170 front with a Works -1.5 deg angleset on her and she RIPS! Those old DW link bikes still ride better than 85% of the current offerings; no joke!

    Have FUN!

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    I know they do...My only concern is i'm a pretty ruff rider. I know the IH were blowing lower links pretty fast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shredman69 View Post
    Still some new Uzzi frames available. Makes a great park/all around bike.

    Intense Uzzi Frame 2014 | Frames | Intense Cycles USA
    It's awesome how they are still selling them. However, I will only have enough money for the frame and I will have to wait another couple of years to get enough money to build it up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by #1ORBUST View Post
    I know they do...My only concern is i'm a pretty ruff rider. I know the IH were blowing lower links pretty fast.

    I always wanted a Sunday. IH Mini sunday!


    The 7pt is good at shocking and gnarling!

    Do it!!! It's a collector's item. The last year that they made them, the design was refined and improved over the older 7pt. They got rid of the bent top tube and made the bike longer/faster/lower/slacker with more Sam Hill steeze.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sriracha View Post
    The 7pt is good at shocking and gnarling!

    Do it!!! It's a collector's item. The last year that they made them, the design was refined and improved over the older 7pt. They got rid of the bent top tube and made the bike longer/faster/lower/slacker with more Sam Hill steeze.
    If I paint it a day glow color everyone will think I'm rocking a 2015 bike anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by #1ORBUST View Post
    ... i'm a pretty ruff rider.

    You should advertise at the truck stops.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sriracha View Post
    You should advertise at the truck stops.
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    Quote Originally Posted by YYZ View Post
    What are the main differences between the Jedi and One, except the one being discontinued? I would buy a frame but only if I get a good deal on it as I don't have too much cash to spend on a new bike. $2500 is what I have.
    The Jedi is an 8" FR/DH bike, slack head angle (64 degrees on my 2011), strong (read: heavy) with enough rearward movement in the axle path that it needs an extra pulley on the seat tube to keep chain growth manageable.

    The One was more of a long-travel all-mountain bike. Conventional axle path, no idler pulley, not as heavy, steeper head angle. I think they had 7" / 180mm of rear travel but don't take my word for it.

    $2500 is probably reasonable for either, depending on the year (2009 sure, 2014 nope) but I've seen very few for sale, so it's hard to say.

    A used Jedi is much more likely to include a dual-crown fork and will probably have stronger/heavier parts all around, and the frames were more expensive in the first place, so a used Jedi will likely cost more than used One from the same model year.

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