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    2009 Karpiel Disco Volante & Elka Stage 5

    After completing a season at Northstar on the Elka Stage 5 all I can say is WOW!!!!! Patrick & Tony from Elka was kind enough to hook me up with the Stage 5 to test out on the new Disco. Right from the get go I noticed a huge difference in feel & performance, as the season progressed I would play around with the R & C adjusters and was able to fine too the shock to perfection. The Elka is simply an amazing addition to this already amazing performing bike.






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    sweet! not to derail, but what's the story on the X-1?

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    how much $ are the new Karpiels running these days?

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    Quote Originally Posted by burgundy snake
    sweet! not to derail, but what's the story on the X-1?
    Still being developed, right now the main focus is on the Armageddon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mike like bikes
    how much $ are the new Karpiels running these days?
    MSRP on the Disco is $2999.00 I have a few on sale for $2599.00 with free shipping in the US. For an additional $150.00 it will come with an Elka Stage 5.

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    Nice Brian. I still say you've got one of the sweetest looking K-piels I've ever seen.

    Are you riding N* this Sunday?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Khemical
    Nice Brian. I still say you've got one of the sweetest looking K-piels I've ever seen.

    Are you riding N* this Sunday?
    Thanks!, Nope, I'm done with N* for the season, it's getting too cold for this old man to make the 3 hour each way drive

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian HCM#1
    Thanks!, Nope, I'm done with N* for the season, it's getting too cold for this old man to make the 3 hour each way drive
    I'm leaving San Jose at 5:30 in the AM tomorrow

    Unfortunately only the 2nd time I've hit Rock* this year

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    i like that bike and with an elka, even sicker.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Djponee
    i like that bike and with an elka, even sicker.
    It really is a fun bike to ride, if you ever looking for a new DH bike, don't overlook a Karpiel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian HCM#1
    Still being developed, right now the main focus is on the Armageddon.
    Isn't armaggedon already developed? Or the one the polish team uses is a proto and you can only get disco now? Also what is the real differance besides the seatmast (which is pointless in my opinion)
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    Quote Originally Posted by norbar
    Isn't armaggedon already developed? Or the one the polish team uses is a proto and you can only get disco now? Also what is the real differance besides the seatmast (which is pointless in my opinion)
    I was referring to the X-1. They are getting ready for production of the Armageddon so the only one available now is the Disco. Basically they are the identical bike with the adjustable seat mast. The Armageddon you see is the proto.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian HCM#1
    I was referring to the X-1. They are getting ready for production of the Armageddon so the only one available now is the Disco. Basically they are the identical bike with the adjustable seat mast. The Armageddon you see is the proto.
    I got you now I though Army was relased a long long time a ago as I can clearly remember seeing it on a bike show over a year or 2 ago. (just when the team started).
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    Quote Originally Posted by norbar
    I got you now I though Army was relased a long long time a ago as I can clearly remember seeing it on a bike show over a year or 2 ago. (just when the team started).
    The proto Armageddon was the first to be developed, however production went to the Disco.

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    Brian. I love you.

    P.S. Zumbi is down for repairs.... must ship back to Poland.
    Meh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prettym1k3
    Brian. I love you.

    P.S. Zumbi is down for repairs.... must ship back to Poland.
    WOW! you made me blush See, you need a Karpiel

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    Nothing that wouldn't have happened on any other frame, I'm sure. Falling at full speed from 15 feet up onto your swingarm, things can happen.

    P.S. Come give me a hug, you big galoot.
    Meh.

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    9.9pounds with shock seems awfully light....you got a scale for that frame(disco violante)
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    Quote Originally Posted by SHIVER ME TIMBERS
    9.9pounds with shock seems awfully light....you got a scale for that frame(disco violante)
    Here is a pic without a shock. (my first Disco, not the current one)



    Not too bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SHIVER ME TIMBERS
    9.9pounds with shock seems awfully light....you got a scale for that frame(disco violante)
    What's so unbelivable when there are other, lighter frames on the market? It's in the light range of reasonable weight (ie. I wouldn't be scared to ride it )
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    I personally don't see the desire to have a sub 38lb DH bike. Maybe at the pro level where you're not paying for your own parts. 39-41lbs for a DH bike seems to be about perfect, where it's light & fairly durable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian HCM#1
    I personally don't see the desire to have a sub 38lb DH bike. Maybe at the pro level where you're not paying for your own parts. 39-41lbs for a DH bike seems to be about perfect, where it's light & fairly durable.
    Word. Not to heavy, not to fragile.
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    I have always like Karpiels. That looks great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by norbar
    What's so unbelivable when there are other, lighter frames on the market? It's in the light range of reasonable weight (ie. I wouldn't be scared to ride it )
    bike looks a little beefy to weigh that lite....but shocks and springs don't weigh a pound and a half
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    Quote Originally Posted by SHIVER ME TIMBERS
    bike looks a little beefy to weigh that lite....but shocks and springs don't weigh a pound and a half
    Shock with a Ti spring gets you fairly close.

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    nice beast!
    my elka5 is 10/19/09 in!!!
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    My Diverse Ti spring just came in on Wednesday, good times!

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    any pictures?

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    I'll try to get some this weekend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian HCM#1
    I'll try to get some this weekend.
    I wanna see your Saint upgrade
    I still owe you a couple of shots of the seat mast...
    B, what's your axle to crown height w/ the 40?

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    Here are so updated pics, sorry for the quality.






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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian HCM#1
    I'm liking where you've rotated your upper shock mount
    Looks like there's room to spare still if you want to take it further into the front triangle?
    Do you have any more room on the lower to go back? If it does, I think I'll have to get rid of my CCDB and get one
    B, I kinda like the dead-ish feel of othe CCDB and 5th. Does/can the Elka be set up like this or is it a more lively feel like the DHX and Roco?

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    I have full adjustability. If you move the lower cam back, that shortens the travel of the bike. Mine is set at max travel. I'm really liking the Elka, it does have more of the deadish feel, just like an Avalanche.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian HCM#1
    I have full adjustability. If you move the lower cam back, that shortens the travel of the bike. Mine is set at max travel. I'm really liking the Elka, it does have more of the deadish feel, just like an Avalanche.
    SWEET! I'll give Malcolm a ring tomorrow and get a new spring retension c-ring tomorrow. I'll pimp out the CCDB for sale. After I do, I'll give you a shout about an Elka

    Thanx man!

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    sweet, nice bike. hot hpoe brakes!!

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    Thanks!!

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    My '09 Disco v2.0

    The rear end is much bouncier w/ the Roco vs the CCDB. The Roco's rebound range is non-existent till the last couple of clicks, then it ramps up so abruptly, it goes from bouncy to over a sec to return fully. Elka, here I come!




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    my all time favorite bike !!!!!!! (LOVE THE WHITE !!) wish i had the money

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    Looks good Paul.

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    B,
    As an exercise of posterity, I sized up my 9x3 Avy DHS to the Disco. It looks like it will fit and may afford an even slacker head angle than possible w/ the Roco. I'm thinking maybe I'll look for some mounting hardware and try to actually slap it on the bike. Stilfl selling the CCDB to get an Elka tho





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    I had Push shorten a Roco to 9 1/8 x 3. I find with the 9 1/8 x 3 or even a 9 x 3 the spring for a 3" stroke is too long to fully effect the head angle, if you're looking to slacken it a bit more.

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    I think you need to make your pix bigger so I can see them even clearer!

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    PURE BICYCLE PORN !!!!! my all time favorite looking bike....

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    And they ride great too

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    Quote Originally Posted by essenmeinstuff
    I think you need to make your pix bigger so I can see them even clearer!
    Next digicam will be a 10mp (current is 8).

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    Hey Brian are you guys making any parts for the older disco volantes, I would love to get my hands on a set of the upgraded linkages for one of the older bikes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dytrdr5
    Hey Brian are you guys making any parts for the older disco volantes, I would love to get my hands on a set of the upgraded linkages for one of the older bikes.
    Not at the moment, I'm hoping some will be available in the future. You should look into a new one.

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    Discos in NA

    Brian,
    Are you, me, and the guy who you sold your proto to the only ppl in NA w/ Discos? I haven't seen ANY other pics of '09 Discos here, RM or PB? Unique is fine, but I'd like to see how others are building them as well!
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    There are a few here in the states, and several in the UK. There are a few on pinkbike, Wil White who is sponsored by Karpiel and someone who goes by Armyof1 just bought one from me about a month ago, he lives about 50 miles from me.

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    I was talking to that dude (Armyof1)... Did he grab your old Army 'cause he sure doesn't sound like he's too enamoured w/ the new Discos. Well, I'm not so much either, until I figure out my rear shock, which may only be days away.

    Edit: nevermind, wrong dude. It was neonightmaric. Anyway, I'll update you when the DHS returns. I'm also waiting on a pimp'd out older ('07) 888 RC2X that has a BOS cartridge to replace the '08 POS 888 WC.
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    Everyone I've talked to seems to really like the new Disco. I've been trying to guide you here, but it doesn't seem like you're willing to take my recommendations on shock & fork set ups.

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    Avy's back and mounted up. The angles are now 63.5 HTA w/ the bike unloaded, 3/4" sag seated w/ 450# spring. I had a 2.8 Michy up front and 2.5 DHR in the back so the HTA might actaully be 64 unloaded. Resi has the hi/low comp; with the low is dialed completely out, I can get 1/2 travel just dumping my fat ass on the saddle from standing. Rebound is a bit slower...like the CCDB. It was valved a 500# so I need to run the rebound a click or two more open.
    BB is 14 + 3/8" as set up. I'm thinking w/ the BOS cart. 888, it'll sit higher in the fork, allowing me to lean on the front a bit more. '08 888 RC3 has 1.3/4" in fork sag w/ 6.5K spring. The BOS 888 will have one firm and one med installed.

    I'll throw up some pics when I can get shots this wknd.
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    What is the length of the Avalanche?

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    9x3, instead of the 9.5x3...the same length as the old Army length. The thing to becareful about is the spring's OD. The 450# Ti OD is actually larger than the 500# steel's OD (bought a 500# steel for the tune Craig gave it).
    I know the PDF you sent me says to not let the HTA get below 65 degrees... But looking at every other bike out there w/ 61-64 degrees, I'm thinking the 65 was meant to be more FR than DH.
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    The steeper head angle may effect the handling, going straight down a hill should be fine. With a 65* HA the bike corners extremely well, beling a little more slack that might change.

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    B,
    Keep me posted on how the Elka holds up. That small shock body w/ huge shaft will ramp the resi pressure to some pretty high levels. When I got a quote from Elka for the Disco, they said the resi is a reduced size one to clear the linkage. This might create heat issues...
    I remember how the 5th like to blow seals (had one pop its load on my leg once). I'm not sure if it's related to resi pressures/large shock shaft tho.
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    So far no problems with the Elka. They are definitely worth giving a shot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian HCM#1
    So far no problems with the Elka. They are definitely worth giving a shot.
    Well, you have the Elka and I have the DHS. I think between you and I we can come up w/ something that'll work well for the frame
    My riding is dead in the water... too much snow everywhere. So, I'll just sit tight and let you do the feedback for now. When the weather opens up a bit and I can get in a couple of shuttle runs, I'll let you know how the shorter shock/slacker angle works out.
    Oh, BTW, Marz is going to replace my '08 888 (sloppy) lowers w/ the '10 tight ones...:woohoo:
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    Got any pics yet? Ones that don't take up the whole screen?

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    My screen's a 46" :P





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    i like the washers that cover the bearings, i made some for my old army,they come real close to the outer race and keep nasty dirt out and limit flex/play. i think my frame is # 8 or something out of the first 10 or 12 that Yan made.

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    They definitely help keep the dirt out.

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