Mr Walton kept riding (hard) on a wheel he knew was cracked, cased a jump, obliterated it and then starts mouthing off that it 'cost him a separated shoulder,' when the reality is he was a victim of his own stupidity.
Enve apparently sent out a duff rim, then instead of just admitting that 'sh|t, that's not meant to happen,' they start farting out lame excuses about prototypes and first ever failures.
I don't think that picture's fair on Enve though, since it took a guy hanging up on a rim he knew was cracked already to make it happen, any sane person would have just rolled home and gone for the warranty.
But if you read the article, he states that it wasn't an obvious crack and, on a normal day of riding, (not product testing) he probably wouldn't have noticed it. He kept riding it to see what the results would be in a normal situation.
Based on those results, I think I can find about a go-zillion better ways to spend a couple Gs than on these rims.
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I am, with a stiffer spring than usual. 90 % of my rides are 10 miles or less and as I'm not staying as thin as i was when younger, I like the weight, at least to a point, for more exercise relative to what I would get with a true trail bike.
It pedals really well and Its more fun than just putting weight in a camelback for the exercise. It makes me smile every time I ride, and that, for me is the bottom line. I also have a nice hardtail, but hardly ever ride it.
Plus, I have the option to do DH vacations...
If you read Mac in Mountain Bike Action, apparently, I am now the enemy.
That's awesome.
I love riding my big bike anywhere I can find even short downhills. It's always worth the work to get there. One of my funnest days of riding was Whole Enchilada on my 40lb couch. The DH was worth every pedal stroke up Burro.
Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. Liberty is a well armed sheep, contesting the vote.
That's awesome.
I love riding my big bike anywhere I can find even short downhills. It's always worth the work to get there. One of my funnest days of riding was Whole Enchilada on my 40lb couch. The DH was worth every pedal stroke up Burro.
Thanks Roxtar. I've really enjoyed seeing people's bikes in this thread.
This was my project frame from many many years ago. It is a concentric pivot point designed around a 24" rear wheel to get a little better axle path for the rear suspension. It has 6" travel and used V brakes in the rear. I used it with a Marzocchi jr T. fork.
Everyone dismissed it as a downhill bike back in the day, although I primarily did trail riding with it. Now people would call it an allmountain or a trail bike based on its travel.
But if you read the article, he states that it wasn't an obvious crack and, on a normal day of riding, (not product testing) he probably wouldn't have noticed it. He kept riding it to see what the results would be in a normal situation.
Based on those results, I think I can find about a go-zillion better ways to spend a couple Gs than on these rims.
There are safer, smarter and better ways to test something to destruction than to keep using it until it gets destroyed with you in tow. If you do that, you deserve no sympathy, whatever the internal logic used to justify it.
Can't say I disagree about the money though, two wheels or a trip to the alps, hmm...
Looks great except I'm surprised you're running Rocket Rons on a DH/FR bike? Those are XC race tires. I'd be scared personally. Hopefully you're light and smooth and they hold up for you. I like having beefier, grippier tires for downhill. That's one place that I don't skimp on weight. Those are 470 gram tires. My 2.5 Minion is almost twice that.
Ha, that saddle looks downright painful, but hopefully you won't be using it that often.
Looks great except I'm surprised you're running Rocket Rons on a DH/FR bike? Those are XC race tires. I'd be scared personally. Hopefully you're light and smooth and they hold up for you. I like having beefier, grippier tires for downhill. That's one place that I don't skimp on weight. Those are 470 gram tires. My 2.5 Minion is almost twice that.
I was thinking along those same lines. Don't get me wrong, it's a beautiful bike, it just seems to have a bit of split personality disorder. I love those tires; use them on my AM bike, but wouldn't run them on the big bike. Same with the saddle (Is that an AX Lightness?). Obviously, from the scale pic, weight was an issue on this build but wheels, tires, and saddle might not be the best places to pick weight over strength on a DH/FR bike.
My .02
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I ran a DHF 2.5 (1200gr)front last year with an ardent 2.4(880gr) in the back, and was great, but was trying to see if these are good enough to handle the bike park i ride at, It's almost all hardpack, and These were rated good for hardpack. I also have a set of Racing Ralphs, so might try those too. And if need be, I"ll go back to the DHF and Ardent. The sadle is a Token, all carbon, and is actually really comfortable for the small amount of time I spend sitting down. The sadle and the post together weigh in at 230gr.
2.4 Big Bettys are twice that. 2.5 Minions are almost 3X
Yeah, I'm sure they are. Generic statement. I was just going off the current quoted weights on the Maxxis website which I'm sure aren't too accurate. I haven't actually weighed my tires by themselves.
I ran a DHF 2.5 (1200gr)front last year with an ardent 2.4(880gr) in the back, and was great, but was trying to see if these are good enough to handle the bike park i ride at, It's almost all hardpack, and These were rated good for hardpack. I also have a set of Racing Ralphs, so might try those too. And if need be, I"ll go back to the DHF and Ardent. The sadle is a Token, all carbon, and is actually really comfortable for the small amount of time I spend sitting down. The sadle and the post together weigh in at 230gr.
Damn. I think Racing Ralphs would be a bad idea on a downhill bike. If you really want to go for lightweight build, I'd think of going all air suspension rather than throwing some xc race tires on there. Besides, if it's a DH/FR rig, why try for an ultralight build? Why not a burly AM bike in the 30 lb range (Enduro Evo, Nomad, Pivot Firebird all come to mind)? Just curious what your goals are for the build.
Damn. I think Racing Ralphs would be downright scary on a downhill bike. If you really want to go for lightweight build, I'd think of going all air suspension rather than throwing some xc race tires on there.
Yeah man its weird where people decide to count grams.
The newest member of the family. More than happy with it thus far.
X9 1x10 drivetrain, XT brakes, Float 180/DBair, DT Swiss FR600 rims with Hope hubs, Reverb Stealth, and a few other goodies.
Weighs in at 34.6ish lbs. Not too shabby, especially considering how well it pedals.
The newest member of the family. More than happy with it thus far.
X9 1x10 drivetrain, XT brakes, Float 180/DBair, DT Swiss FR600 rims with Hope hubs, Reverb Stealth, and a few other goodies.
Weighs in at 34.6ish lbs. Not too shabby, especially considering how well it pedals.
I just finished building my "Nickel LT" Mini DH bike. I really liked the old Transition Bottlerocket, but couldn't find a new one for sale. I'm a huge fan of the Nickel APP and already own one in 650b flavor, so the "LT" shock mod intrigued me. I over forked the frame by a good bit but I know the risks and am willing to take them. I also used a ZS lower headset cup and a straight steerer fork to cut out about 10mm of A2C height. The end HTA is around 64.7 degrees.
The build consists of a Medium size Nickel frame, 200x57 RS Vivid Air R2C shock, 170mm RS Lyrik RC2DH SA, Works components 1.5 degree angle set, Shimano Zee crank, shifter, rear mech, and brakes, Saint BB, XT 11-36 casette, XT Icetech 180/160 rotors, RaceFace single 32t, MRP AMG chain guide, 50mm Easton Havok stem, 780mm Answer handlebars, Hope Hoops Flow wheels, Continental Trail King 2.4 black chili.
It descends like a full DH bike, just a bit more nimble and agile feeling. I haven't taken it off any huge jumps yet, but it feels very stable and predictable on every jump I've been on thus far. A lot of the jump characteristics can be changed with the shock and fork tuning though. Bottom line: It's the best overall bike I've ever ridden, bar none.
Thinking about selling the bike I posted in here, either complete or as a frameset.
Bike is built with best of everything (see specs); does everything very well but I'm moving to a more single purpose ride (Jedi)
Probably in 2K neighborhood for complete bike
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2010 Opus Nelson 1
Fox DHX 5.0
66RC3 (180mm)
XTR Shifters / R Der
Codes
Hammerschmidt
KS Lev seatpost
Fizik Arione saddle
WTB Frequency i23 / Chris King wheelset for pedaling days.
Hand built 729 / Hadley wheels, whatever tires you want (I'm a tire whore)
HT-AO1 or Mallot pedals
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