Mason HT

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  • 10-28-2012
    shredjekyll
    Mason HT
    So the mason HT looks SICK. I'm heavily considering pulling the trigger off jenson. Looking for some thoughts on the bike, anyone else thinking it looks like really fun and capable bike?
  • 10-28-2012
    Stonebreaker
    I would if it was a 27.5r
  • 01-10-2013
    l84biking
    Rode one for two days...
    Here's my take...

    At MBO, DB was there with a full fleet of Mason Demos. I was looking for something different then my Niner RIP9 and that would be comfortable on my next ride which was almost all down and gnarly. After walking through the vendor area, a friend mentioned the Mason. I totally forgot about it (originally it was called the Dixon at Interbike).

    I am mostly a cross country endurance rider with a background in racing downhill and motorcycles. The Mason completely floored me. This bike was wanting me to drop down all that I encountered on a trail that I had never been on. My RIP9 was really nervous on the long downhills at MBO and really was thinking of selling it before last years event. I think my Moots Mooto-X is more "comfortable" on the downhills in and around MBO than the RIP. The Mason makes the downhills super fun now. And the responsive and stiff rear end makes the climbs go by fast. Never felt the weight of this bike either. I know it's not light stock but rolled nicely (Twentynineinches.com is reporting 31lbs). I came back to camp and went for some DH runs with a couple other guides that got Mason demos. We were all impressed!

    Talking with the Demo guys at DB, they let us keep the Mason's for Sunday's ride. Sunday, I took the Mason on a trail that I was familiar with and that was similar to my trails at home. Again, this bike rocked the downhill portion, this included the climbs. Even the short steep climbs were not hampered by the slack headtube angle. I thought this may be an issue but never had one. On the more XC portion of the ride, following a flowing river and steep ups and tight rooty/rocky singletrack. The Mason handled it well. I was in and out of the shorter travel and longer travel portion of the fork. After a bit, I stayed in the 140mm mode. If I get a chance, I would swap out the TALAS for a regular Float fork. For me, there's almost no need to drop the travel unless it's super steep, but then the gearing would make you pay for it.

    As of now, I'm purchasing a Mason and will post my findings here on the forum. I've sold the RIP9 and am looking forward to some fun riding. I've looked at other brands and this is a pretty complete package. The DiamondBack guys are super nice and very enthusiastic about the bikes. Not in the sales kinda way, more like they love bikes and the brand. The feeling I got from them is that there are great things to come.

    L8
  • 01-11-2013
    DMehalko(DM)
    That bike looks super sick, DB4L!!:thumbsup:

  • 01-11-2013
    matmattmatthew
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by l84biking View Post
    Here's my take...

    At MBO, DB was there with a full fleet of Mason Demos. I was looking for something different then my Niner RIP9 and that would be comfortable on my next ride which was almost all down and gnarly. After walking through the vendor area, a friend mentioned the Mason. I totally forgot about it (originally it was called the Dixon at Interbike).

    I am mostly a cross country endurance rider with a background in racing downhill and motorcycles. The Mason completely floored me. This bike was wanting me to drop down all that I encountered on a trail that I had never been on. My RIP9 was really nervous on the long downhills at MBO and really was thinking of selling it before last years event. I think my Moots Mooto-X is more "comfortable" on the downhills in and around MBO than the RIP. The Mason makes the downhills super fun now. And the responsive and stiff rear end makes the climbs go by fast. Never felt the weight of this bike either. I know it's not light stock but rolled nicely (Twentynineinches.com is reporting 31lbs). I came back to camp and went for some DH runs with a couple other guides that got Mason demos. We were all impressed!

    Talking with the Demo guys at DB, they let us keep the Mason's for Sunday's ride. Sunday, I took the Mason on a trail that I was familiar with and that was similar to my trails at home. Again, this bike rocked the downhill portion, this included the climbs. Even the short steep climbs were not hampered by the slack headtube angle. I thought this may be an issue but never had one. On the more XC portion of the ride, following a flowing river and steep ups and tight rooty/rocky singletrack. The Mason handled it well. I was in and out of the shorter travel and longer travel portion of the fork. After a bit, I stayed in the 140mm mode. If I get a chance, I would swap out the TALAS for a regular Float fork. For me, there's almost no need to drop the travel unless it's super steep, but then the gearing would make you pay for it.

    As of now, I'm purchasing a Mason and will post my findings here on the forum. I've sold the RIP9 and am looking forward to some fun riding. I've looked at other brands and this is a pretty complete package. The DiamondBack guys are super nice and very enthusiastic about the bikes. Not in the sales kinda way, more like they love bikes and the brand. The feeling I got from them is that there are great things to come.

    L8

    Glad to hear, I just got an E-mail that my Mason has been shipped. Hopefully I'll have a ride report in a week or so.
  • 01-11-2013
    mojojojoaf
    The Mason is such a sexy beast. Really like this bike.
  • 01-14-2013
    bigkat273
    Mine is in the mail!

    I had been considering the Stache and the Yelli as well but the slightly slacker head angle/extra 20mm of travel and the better component spec pushed me towards the Mason. I was a little worried about the weight as first but I figure I can make it 30# or better just with new rubber and stans strips and possibly some new wheels down the road.
  • 01-15-2013
    matmattmatthew
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by bigkat273 View Post
    Mine is in the mail!

    I had been considering the Stache and the Yelli as well but the slightly slacker head angle/extra 20mm of travel and the better component spec pushed me towards the Mason. I was a little worried about the weight as first but I figure I can make it 30# or better just with new rubber and stans strips and possibly some new wheels down the road.

    I ordered mine before I knew the weight and when I learned it I was a little worried, my Yeti ASR5-C weighed 25 lbs. But I looked into the weight of a lot of the individual parts and the stem, bars, crankset, tires etc are all pretty heavy. I have a few parts I'm going to swap right away but my long term goal is to upgrade parts as needed and lose some weight along the way. My plan is to have it around 27 lbs without losing any burliness or usability. Tracking says it will be here on Thursday :D
  • 01-15-2013
    l84biking
    Mine arrived this morning! Unfortunately, it'll have to wait until next week to build up, as we head up north for the long weekend for some riding. As others, I have a ton of parts that will replace the stock ones once I get a base line. No super weight weenie stuff, just smart parts that'll lighten it up and keep it burly.

    I'll post up the weight once all built up stock. Mine is a large/19".

    L8
  • 01-17-2013
    matmattmatthew
    Built Mine up. I swapped out a few parts right off the bat, I'm still waiting on a crankset, brakes and tires to swap out. Here are a couple pictures, I'll post my initial thoughts and observations when I get a little more time.








  • 01-17-2013
    AllMountin'
    Looks sweet. Just got mine in yesterday and threw it together. I was actually kinda shocked when I opened the box. Just browsing pics online, I thought this bike was white. Like the clear though.

    I thought the stock seat kind of odd. The dude's face is printed on the front of the seat, such that your junk rests right on top of it. "Hey look, I'm famous... wait, what?? Noooooo!!!!" :-0

    Swapped on some Ergons, but otherwise stock for now. Itchin' to ride it, but it's fatbiking weather outside.
  • 01-22-2013
    hur1ey93
    Love it!
    Been on two rides since I got mine. I am coming from a 7X7 in. travel Giant Reign X and decided to get something that would thrive on my local trails that I wouldn't have to push up. This bike is sweet! Does great on the descents and I don't miss the 7 inches at all! I highly recommend this bike.
  • 01-25-2013
    AllMountin'
    I caught a glimpse of this one grazing in the wild:



    All stock but the grips. Not much I want to change except for the tires.

    I'm coming from a HT 26er, and these new geo 29ers got me interested in making the jump. I had ridden a Yelli, which is similar enough, and liked the ride. For me, it is a nice compromise between my local riding and the out of state riding I do on trips. HT and big wheels will be good for longer XC rides on mostly non-tech terrain, and the travel and head angle should be appropriate for gnarlier venues.

    Only a couple rides in, but I don't really see a downside. Seems to climb well, and is built to go down. Won't be able to completely evaluate the handling until the weather improves, but early indications suggest it'll do just fine. Already crashed it twice and bent my RD hanger once. Some fool put ice on my local singletrack. :-)
  • 01-26-2013
    grt yt 72
    For those that have received their Mason's, are the frames made in China or Taiwan? Just curious.
  • 01-26-2013
    hur1ey93
    China
  • 01-28-2013
    matmattmatthew
    Alright bare with me I might get a little lengthy with my initial thoughts on the bike. Due to weather, work and waiting on a few parts I haven't actually gotten a ride on the Mason but having been a fan of this bike since I first saw it at Interbike in 2011 and also being a mechanic for 5+ years I have some initial thoughts, observations and suggestions for anyone that's considering a Mason.

    I've been riding for 14+ years, a mechanic for 5+ and raced DH, XC and Slalom for 6+ years. This bike was exactly what I was looking for 2 years ago when I converted my Stumpy HT 29er to 1x9, added a longer travel fork with a thru axle and meatier tires. But alas, it just didn't have the AM geometry I was really looking for. Since then I've had a Blur 4X, Yeti ASR5-C and a Santa Cruz Chameleon as trail bikes, when I saw the Dixon (mason) it looked like it was a mash-up of everything I liked in those other bikes.

    last few trail bikes






    First things first, I noticed a few things on the bike that are different than the spec's on the website.

    Rotors - Instead of the 200/180 mine was equipped with 180/160. Not a huge deal, I kind of thought the 200 was overkill for a HT all mountain bike. I had always planned on swapping the brakes out anyway, I'm a Formula homer so a set of Formula The One's went on.

    Tires - the website says Folding, but they are both in fact wire bead tires. I weighed a few of the parts including the tires, Front was 975grams and rear was 820g. The rear tire looks to a joke, especially for this time of year so I have two 2.4 Ardents on the way. They should be good for a few months then I'll switch to some slimmer/faster summer tires.

    Seatpost - The pictures on the website and the Pinkbike article show the cable for the seatpost running up the back of the post. I took the stock seat off and put my own on but when I put it on my bike it was obvious I had to switch the seat to get the correct angle. The pictures also show some sort of little guard for the cable, mine didn't come with one.



    Wheels/rims - I got really excited when I saw the spec's for the bike because I thought the wheelset would include the WTB i23 frequency rims, but they are actually Speed Disc i23 rims which are a lower end model. The website just says i23 rims and doesn't specifically say what model they are, I should have assumed they were a lower spec since the MSRP for the bike is 2500, shame on me. The wheelset is also quite heavy, 2410 grams for both wheels, that's heavier than my last couple sets of DH wheels. I plan on riding the stock wheels till they explode then build a set myself. The tubes were 440grams total, so by the time you swap out the wheels, tires and convert to tubeless you could lose anywhere from 2-4 lbs of rolling mass :eek:

    Shifter - Just an FYI, the shifter comes with a matchmaker mount. i.e it's integrated with the brake perch. While most would see this as a plus (less clutter on the bars), I was forced to steal a standard mount from another bike to get the shifter on the bars with my new brakeset. Just wanted to let people know in case anyone else plans on swapping brakes.

    The fork - I knew it was an OE specific Talas with no kashima coating to keep costs down but I didn't realize that it also doesn't have any compression adjustment, just 3 positions for the new CTD. So the only means of adjustment are rebound damping and adjusting air pressure. This could turn out to be a blessing in disguise because there's less things for me to screw around with and I can just set and forget the fork. Obviously some seat time is the only way to know for sure, it could turn out to be the best fork I've ever owned. I'm also curious if it has the SKF seals everyone has been raving about, I tried to look on the seals but my eyes aren't good enough to read what was on them, maybe someone else knows?

    Chainstay length - DB's website and several others are still advertising 426mm stays which is a key measure most people are looking for in such a specific bike category as AM 29er. Unfortunately, the chainstays are actually 433mm, not a crazy difference and not enough to sway my choice to buy the bike but I still want people to have the correct information when investigating the bike.

    Other items noticed

    Water Bottle Mount: I put an water bottle mount from another bike on the frame and immediately noticed it's really high up the downtube making it a tight fit for larger bottles. I'm not sure why they didn't slide the braze ons a few more inches down the downtube to make it a little easier to get a bottle in and out. I'm not the biggest fan of riding with a camelback so I'm probably a little more picky about bottle mounts than most people. Depending on how the first few rides go I might look into a side entry bottle mount.



    Paint: Or lack there of, the raw color looks awesome in person. I love when manufacturers will clear a raw frame and you can see tiny imperfections and marks under the clear. The other areas with paint and graphics look great as well, I think the bike is subtle enough without being boring. You'll notice in the pictures I removed all the stickers from the wheels, personal preference, the last couple wheelsets I built for my own bikes were all de-stickered and black on black.

    142mm Axle - When I first removed the rear wheel and reinstalled the axle I noticed the nut for the axle is separate from the frame and popped out onto my floor. I thought this kinda sucked at first, I imagined myself losing it while changing a flat on the trail. But when I inserted it back into the frame I realized it was actually a good thing; I always cringe when I see something with threads on a main frame or swingarm. If the threads were ever damaged or stripped it's a lot easier/cheaper to replace a small nut than a whole swingarm. Same reason replaceable derailleur hangers became standard years ago.



    Changes to stock spec's: So far I've swapped the saddle (5th bike it's been on), handlebars, crankset and handlebars. The bars I had lying around and were the exact same width as the stock bars and saved about 40 grams, the brakes are personal prefernce, I've been riding Formula brakes on all my bikes since 2007 and don't see myself running anything else for the near future. They also shed some grams from the bike. The crankset is just as burly as the Respond but I lost 190 grams, got it for 75 bucks and will probably make at least that when I sell the Respond. I also wasn't feelin the while cranks. You'll see I added some XT trail pedals as well, these will be my first shimano pedals in about 6 years but a few friends swear by them so I'm excited. My 2.4 Ardents should be here on wednesday or thursday and they'll go on right away. More upgrades to come, Stem next then I'll start thinking about a custom wheelset but that will probably be 7-8 months from now.

    I did want to say that I don't think their is anything wrong with the stock spec, it's one of the reasons I bought it. I had originally planned on riding it stock for a while but I have so many parts I couldn't help but swap a few things.









    And my riding buddy



    Weather looks good for Thursday, hopefully I'll actually have a ride report in addition to all my nerdy observations :thumbsup:
  • 01-29-2013
    the.vault
    Mattamathew,

    What size is your Mason!
  • 01-30-2013
    matmattmatthew
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by the.vault View Post
    Mattamathew,

    What size is your Mason!

    Large
  • 02-11-2013
    Hermes475
    You don't happen to have a frame weight do you?
  • 02-11-2013
    matmattmatthew
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Hermes475 View Post
    You don't happen to have a frame weight do you?

    I didn't break the bike down to just the frame so I don't have an actual weight, but using the weights from all of the parts and also knowing the complete bike's weight I was able to figure that the frame is somewhere between 5-5.5 lbs. Hope that helps.
  • 02-18-2013
    Fluidworks
    Ordered up my XL Mason, going to have to wait at least a month for delivery, but it's a small price to pay for paying wholesale. Will update when I receive it.
  • 02-19-2013
    Maxilainen
    Could someone recommend a dealer who shippes a mason frameset to europe?
    Thanks and best regards, Max
  • 03-09-2013
    Mountaingoat56
    seriously looking at getting a Mason but stuck on the size. I am 5'6" with a 29" inseam which according to the sizing chart puts me on a small frame.
    I already have a Superfly AL 100 with a small frame and had to get a set back post and long stem since the bike was too compact and I couldn't keep
    the front wheel on the ground on steep climbs.
    Any suggestions?
  • 03-09-2013
    Fluidworks
    Its very hard to say without seeing your build vs comparing geo, but just generally speaking, I'd go up in size, you can always shorten the stem, which I find preferable. I'm usually a "size up if inbetween" guy, but I don't like having maximum seatpost extension either.
  • 03-09-2013
    r8ter316
    Wouldnt mind picking one up. Love the unfinished alum color styles manufacturers are starting to do again.
  • 03-11-2013
    Mountaingoat56
    The question is how short a stem can I get? I think it comes with a 45mm. To be on the safe side and after seeing guys 5'10" happy with mediums....I recon I will go with a small frame. I'll put up some pictures with it in Bermuda when I get it. Thanks for the input.
  • 03-11-2013
    Mountaingoat56
    Thanks for the input...after seeing guys at 5'10" happy with the medium and the stand over height I'm going with a small. The stem is already 45mm so I don't know how much shorter they get. Hopefully will be posting some pictures soon with my new Mason in Bermuda!
  • 03-11-2013
    Mountaingoat56
    didn't mean to post the same thing twice.......but I cant wait to be the first in Bermi to have one!!
  • 03-12-2013
    Mountaingoat56
    Does anyone know if a 2.4 will fit on the back wheel of a mason?
  • 03-17-2013
    Mikecito
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by matmattmatthew View Post
    Large

    If you don't mind, how tall are you? I'm 6'2" and can't decide if L or XL is the way to go. I hate e-sizing but no one carries the Mason near me (or DB in general, which sucks because their corporate offices are just a couple hours south of me)
  • 03-17-2013
    Mountaingoat56
    I'm 5'6" and I've pulled the trigger on a small Mason. Had a hard time choosing the small but after reading other threads and seeing the short length (45mm) of the stem I figured it was the right move. Like you no one near me has one to compare.
  • 04-04-2013
    konacrasher
    Hi guys. I have a some questions regarding this bike. I have Also been interested since I first saw it at interbike a few years back. I am curious how the ride is comfort wise of the mason. I have a monocog 29 modded to a 1x10 i love how smooth the steel frame feels. I have ridden the diamondback overdrive it was really harsh. harsh meaning vibration went straight to my body. I am wondering do guys feel the bike is harsh in anyway. or pretty smooth ? ive considered the honzo for the comfort, but the mason is a good value with dropper post. That is really my one hesitation to buy this bike. Thanks
  • 04-14-2013
    bmxconvert
    I've been on a bit of a kick lately to put together another hardtail. I started hunting around and was thinking I'd go for a VooDoo Bokor 1 to mount up some Spank 650b wheels I have here and then my DB sales rep came in. I asked a few questions being that the frameset isn't listed on the dealer site; a few days later my frame showed up.

    Unfortunately, it will probably be late May/Early June before I get the bike together. I have almost all the parts, I just don't have time. The frame is hanging out here at the shop and with working 10-12 hour days I get to stare at it all day long. My spare time is filled with volunteer work/trail building/racing so it'll be a while.

    Build list is basically a XT hubs on Spank Subrosa rims, XT brakes, XTR crank with custom 28t or 30t spline-drive sprocket, XTR 9speed cassette, Sram XO shifter and derailleur, FOX Float RL 130mm fork, Ardent 2.24 rear/2.4 front, Spank Oozy stem, Spank Subrosa handlebars. It came with a KS DropZone seatpost but at 5'11" with a 35.5" inseem the post is too short. I have a spare Reverb and Kronolog hanging out that will probably make it on. If I end up riding the bike a whole lot I'll swap the KS LEV post from my Pivot. I'm trying to keep this as a budget built thrasher bike so I gathered some parts that are a bit out dated or won't work on my other bikes.

    Ignore the messy workbench. I was trying to grab a picture between repairs. Ignore the fork as well, it came in the same day for my Pivot 5.7c and so I used it to prop up the front end.

  • 04-15-2013
    Stonebreaker
    Are you planning to build this as a 27.5?
  • 04-15-2013
    bmxconvert
    Nope. The bottom bracket would be terribly low. I've got a 29er Fox Float sitting here along with some 29" Spank Subrosa rims.
  • 04-17-2013
    maven.rogue
    I am about to purchase a Mason and am also 6'2", I rode a large today and I am leaning towards a XL and going with a shorter stem. What did you go with Mikecito? Thanks
  • 04-17-2013
    maven.rogue
    What did you go with, I am on the bubble too?
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Mikecito View Post
    If you don't mind, how tall are you? I'm 6'2" and can't decide if L or XL is the way to go. I hate e-sizing but no one carries the Mason near me (or DB in general, which sucks because their corporate offices are just a couple hours south of me)

  • 04-17-2013
    Mikecito
    I'm saving my cash for a full suspension, but I'm keeping an eye on the prices. If they start blowing them out, I might pull the trigger on an xl with a super short stem. It looks like such a fun bike!
  • 04-17-2013
    JHart94949
    Re: Mason HT
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by bmxconvert View Post
    I've been on a bit of a kick lately to put together another hardtail. I started hunting around and was thinking I'd go for a VooDoo Bokor 1 to mount up some Spank 650b wheels I have here and then my DB sales rep came in. I asked a few questions being that the frameset isn't listed on the dealer site; a few days later my frame showed up.

    Unfortunately, it will probably be late May/Early June before I get the bike together. I have almost all the parts, I just don't have time. The frame is hanging out here at the shop and with working 10-12 hour days I get to stare at it all day long. My spare time is filled with volunteer work/trail building/racing so it'll be a while.

    Build list is basically a XT hubs on Spank Subrosa rims, XT brakes, XTR crank with custom 28t or 30t spline-drive sprocket, XTR 9speed cassette, Sram XO shifter and derailleur, FOX Float RL 130mm fork, Ardent 2.24 rear/2.4 front, Spank Oozy stem, Spank Subrosa handlebars. It came with a KS DropZone seatpost but at 5'11" with a 35.5" inseem the post is too short. I have a spare Reverb and Kronolog hanging out that will probably make it on. If I end up riding the bike a whole lot I'll swap the KS LEV post from my Pivot. I'm trying to keep this as a budget built thrasher bike so I gathered some parts that are a bit out dated or won't work on my other bikes.

    Ignore the messy workbench. I was trying to grab a picture between repairs. Ignore the fork as well, it came in the same day for my Pivot 5.7c and so I used it to prop up the front end.


    Ummmm messy work bench??? Where? Cleanest bench I have ever seen......lol

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  • 04-21-2013
    maven.rogue
    I am still having that age old challenge with picking a size. I rode the Large and it felt a little small. I was lucky enough to have a local mechanic ride his in and let me ride. I cannot find a extra large to ride. My concern with going with an extra large is that the stem is so short, I cannot adjust much and also the bike has a different geometry than most bikes I have ridden. Also, if it does not work out, I have to return and order a large. I am 6'2" and have about a 33 inseam. The mechanic suggested going with the Large(they are more available through this shop) and adding a larger stem. Any insight from guys that have one or have rode one for awhile? Thank you much!
  • 04-26-2013
    bycyclist
    Mason HT
    I've had my Medium for a couple of weeks now and absolutely love how it rides - it far exceeded what I was hoping!

    After following the recommended sizing on DBs website,
    I bought a Medium frame set and built it up, a 1x9 trail bike with 120mm fork, ending weight currently at 27lbs. I'm 5' 10" with a 31/32 inseam and found the Medium to be almost too small for me. I'm running a 100mm stem, the dropper post is extended to minimum insertion point, and my seat is slammed all the way back on its rails. Setup like this, it works really well for me, but in hindsight I wish I got a Large as to give me more options with my cockpit components.

    I love the Mason so much I may end up getting Large frame set and selling my Medium. If you lean towards longer ETT on your bikes, I recommend sizing up.
  • 04-26-2013
    maven.rogue
    Great input, really appreciate it. You confirmed what I am hearing from others. After a challenge with REI, I finally secured an XL. During my transaction I found out it was the last one. I should have it by next Wednesday. I can't wait. Did you stay with standard 1 x 10 or did you add a granny gear?
  • 04-26-2013
    maven.rogue
    Oh, I see you went with a 1 x 9.
  • 04-30-2013
    matmattmatthew
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Mountaingoat56 View Post
    Does anyone know if a 2.4 will fit on the back wheel of a mason?

    Yes. I have 2.4 Ardents on my Mason and there is room to spare in the rear.

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Mikecito View Post
    If you don't mind, how tall are you? I'm 6'2" and can't decide if L or XL is the way to go. I hate e-sizing but no one carries the Mason near me (or DB in general, which sucks because their corporate offices are just a couple hours south of me)

    I'm 6'1" with a 34" inseam. The large is a perfect fit for me, but it I were between sizes like some of you I would probably go up a size and run a 40-50mm stem. This kind of bike really shines with a short stem and wide bars. I actually swapped out the stock 60mm stem with a 50mm and it's been perfect. I think a stem any longer than 50-60mm wouldn't allow you to maximize the aggressive nature of the frame/bike.

    If anything, my only issue on sizing is actually the seat tube length. Because of my longish inseam relative to my height I'm riding with the seatpost maxed out. It's not enough to warrant going up a size but I'm right at the max extension line on the post.

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by bycyclist View Post
    I've had my Medium for a couple of weeks now and absolutely love how it rides - it far exceeded what I was hoping!

    After following the recommended sizing on DBs website,
    I bought a Medium frame set and built it up, a 1x9 trail bike with 120mm fork, ending weight currently at 27lbs. I'm 5' 10" with a 31/32 inseam and found the Medium to be almost too small for me. I'm running a 100mm stem, the dropper post is extended to minimum insertion point, and my seat is slammed all the way back on its rails. Setup like this, it works really well for me, but in hindsight I wish I got a Large as to give me more options with my cockpit components.

    I love the Mason so much I may end up getting Large frame set and selling my Medium. If you lean towards longer ETT on your bikes, I recommend sizing up.

    Interesting stuff on the build, my OEM fork drops down to 120 but I have never taken it out of the 140mm setting, even on extended climbs. If I ever upgrade the fork I will probably go with one that is fixed at 140 because it just rides so nice at that height.

    That's a bummer about the sizing, I think you'd like the bike even more if you could ride it with a shorter stem.


    I need to take some time and do a follow up to my original post. I really love the bike, it's more fun and agile than I was expecting and is comfortable for everything from the pump track to 25 mile XC rides. I've put about 175 miles on the bike and have noticed a lot of things, almost all positive. It's really a fantastic bike and I have no regrets going with a hardtail over a FS. I'm actually racing an Enduro with it in a couple weeks and I think it will really shine.
  • 04-30-2013
    Andreuther
    I got pretty lucky, mt DB sales rep said that there were only 3 mediums left and I was able to snag one up before they were gone. I also ordered two 2.4 Ardents. I also ordered a Sram X0 gripshift (out of curiosity), I plan on riding the rest as stock for now. Cant wait till it gets here. Chico, CA has some pretty brutal climbs and fun descents that I plan on testing the bike on.

    Also, anyone using the stock brakes? I have heard mixed reviews on the elixer 5's.
  • 05-01-2013
    matmattmatthew
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Andreuther View Post
    I got pretty lucky, mt DB sales rep said that there were only 3 mediums left and I was able to snag one up before they were gone. I also ordered two 2.4 Ardents. I also ordered a Sram X0 gripshift (out of curiosity), I plan on riding the rest as stock for now. Cant wait till it gets here. Chico, CA has some pretty brutal climbs and fun descents that I plan on testing the bike on.

    Also, anyone using the stock brakes? I have heard mixed reviews on the elixer 5's.

    I had originally planned to ride the bike stock, the stock build was one of the biggest reasons I bought the Mason. But I ended up swapping a lot of parts out right from the start. I've run Formula brakes on all my bikes since 2007 so I swapped out the stock brakes for Formula The Ones. I also scored a set of E.13 wheels so I swapped out the stock wheels after 2 rides. I also had bars, stem, seat and crankset from another build so I swapped all of those over. In hindsight, I probably should have just purchased the frameset, but when I ordered the bike it wasn't available.
  • 05-02-2013
    maven.rogue
    I am still patiently waiting for my mason to arrive to REI. I am being cautiosly optimistic and trying not to get too excited, in attempt to limit my possible disappointment; and in part if the xl does not fit correctly, since my adjustment options are limited and there does not seem to be a large stock of larges. A little skinny of a frugal purchase.... according to local REI representative this bike is going to go on sale for the REI annervisity sale on 4/17/13. What this means if you buy within 30 day window you can get the price honored. So if you are looking for a small or medium you may want to pull the trigger to take advantage. You will not get the dividend for the purchase at the end of the year but will save some green up front. Also, even though I am not a big credit card guy, I signed up for the REI card. This gives me 5% back on the Mason purchase at the end of the year, and a $100 gift card I can use for possible accessories. Crossing my fingers the bike shows up soon and more importantly fits.
  • 05-02-2013
    bycyclist
    Mason HT
    My Large Mason frame should be here by Monday, so after I get that built up and checked out size wise, I'll be selling my Medium frameset.
  • 05-04-2013
    Andreuther
    I already ordered the bike, the LBS I work for is a dealer so I got it for a price that would make you all cry. I also just picked up some red raceface turbine handlebars and a titanium railed saddle. The bike, tires, and gripshift will be here on monday. Reviews and pics to come.
  • 05-18-2013
    Necrodomis
    anyone had more of a chance to ride the mason? Thoughts?

    I'm on the edge of picking it up at REI for their price right now, but cannot make up my mind. Only issue is, I think I might be too big for a medium frame.. but cant find a large either. So, I might just buy it and if it is entirely too small just return it. I'm 6'1" with a 31.5"-32" inseam, I think I am good for the stand over on the medium, but Im worried about the cockpit being a tad too small.. but like others said, no way to really test it out. just have to pull the trigger and hope for the best!
  • 05-18-2013
    bycyclist
    Mason HT
    Hold out for the Large...
  • 05-20-2013
    matmattmatthew
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by bycyclist View Post
    Hold out for the Large...

    I agree. I'm 6'1" and the large is pretty spot on, I'd be too cramped on a medium.
  • 05-21-2013
    Andreuther
    Setup: The tires on the bike sucked and were quickly upgraded to maxxis ardents 2.4, this made a huge difference! I also swapped out the bars to a lighter red raceface bar that I had.
  • 05-21-2013
    Necrodomis
    I sure hope REI gets some larges in stock and I will pick it up right away.. I think it would work out for me based on everyone's thoughts. If not.. I guess I'll have to keep searching.
  • 05-21-2013
    maven.rogue
    I am 6'2" and have been riding my XL for a couple of weeks. My personal belief is that the way the geometry is set up on this bike, you do not want to go too small. I tried the Large for me; and I had to put everything at max settings just to get close to fitting. JensonUSA may have your size and I think they will price match with REI. Also, when I ordered mine from REI, I got the very last XL and it took two weeks. You may want to contact REI, usually when they expect more of an item they will allow you to select from the drop down menu, and wait for it to come into stock. I do not see xl or l in the drop down menu. Lastly, call DiamondBack 800 number and ask them about where to get a Large. Good luck.
  • 05-22-2013
    Necrodomis
    Yeah, I think I'm going to try to get a large instead. I contacted jenson last week for a price match, but they denied me since REI doesn't have a large in stock "The EXACT item has to be in stock and available to ship".. lame. I also contacted my local REI and he said he couldn't find any in their system. Just a couple mediums and 1 or 2 smalls. He said he is going to get in contact with their DB rep and see if they will be getting any more in sometime soon and to give him a call back later this week. Hopefully he can find something else out. I also contacted REI from online and she said that they don't have an estimated arrival for anymore at this time. I may give Diamondback a call as well. Thanks for your suggestions!
  • 05-23-2013
    Performula
    I'm six foot, 32" inseam, 74" reach, and I had an XL and just got my Medium today. I felt the XL was too large. The Medium seems to fit fine other than I pulled the seat post out another two inches from the recommended line. Anyone know of a longer seat post?

    I have 1.5" risers, a 40mm stem, and the bike still fits fine. The bike is way nimbler compared to the XL. In order to sit upright on either the M or XL I had to drop the post. Read my next post...
  • 05-23-2013
    Performula
    And honestly guys, for me to even get comfortable on the XL, I had to extend everything. The seat was nearly maxed out. The geometry is funky on this thing, so no matter what that seat is gonna be be closed to maxed. The larger you go, the higher you are on the bike, the more hunched over you're going to be. My junk has room to move.

    Plug in your specs on DB. You'd be surprised. I thought I'd need a large but I tweaked one number and I was recommended for the medium, large second. If you are on tighter stuff, and six foot, definitely go Medium.
  • 05-24-2013
    Andreuther
    I'm afraid you will probably have to wait until Diamondback releases the 2014 model. I work at a LBS that deals diamondbacks and we were told that the bike is sold out until next years bikes hit the market. Typically bikes debut at the end of summer, but sometimes earlier. On the bright side I have a hunch that the FS Mason will be in next years model line, and there might be some upgrades to the HT Mason. Either way you have a few months.
  • 05-25-2013
    Endless Trail
    Can someone confirm that the mason has a standard 73 mm. BB .....?

    also looking for stack numbers, for the L and XL frames with a 140 mm. fork

    all info will be much apreciated
  • 05-29-2013
    matmattmatthew
    Yes it's 73mm.

    As for sizing, I read this thread and another one and I don't even know where to start. It sounds like a couple of you really need a large and complaining that the medium and XL don't fit, of course they're not gonna fit if they're the wrong size. As for the geometry being "funky" and needing everything "maxed," have some of you been fitted before? I've been professionally fitted and can get correct seatpost extension on the large, and I have a 34" inseam, I still have about 20mm to go before I'm at the max line.

    I raced an Enduro this past weekend and put over 50 miles on my Mason, on top of the ~300 miles I've already ridden on it. The race had a road gap, berms, 20+ foot doubles, drops, rock gardens, short steep climbs, tight singletrack and everything in between. Bottom line, this bike flat out takes everything you can throw at it. Most other racers were on 5-6" travel bikes including my two buddies and I was ripping past everyone. There were even a couple stages I posted faster times than a couple pro's on Prototype full suspension 650 bikes. I even have one of my friends considering selling his Fuel EX to pick up a Mason.

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Endless Trail View Post
    Can someone confirm that the mason has a standard 73 mm. BB .....?

    also looking for stack numbers, for the L and XL frames with a 140 mm. fork

    all info will be much apreciated

  • 06-01-2013
    AllMountin'
    I suspect that some of the sizing issues stem from people's expectations for the feel of a bike, coming from traditional XC geo to AM geo. The bike should not feel like your XC bike.

    At 6'2" with a 34" inseam, I am right at home on the XL, with a bit less than 2" to spare to minimum insertion. I'd strongly advise against undersizing and running the post at less than minimum. DB will not warranty your frame if you crack your seat tube as a result. The KS also has warnings about running your clamp at the minimum tension that prevents slipping, so as to not damage the seatpost. You will also put more stress over a smaller area of that post.

    I just took a road trip, hitting the trails around Birmingham and Chatanooga, among other places. The bike feels right at home at Oak Mtn, Coldwater Mtn, and Tanasi. From the rocky DH on Blood Rock, to the expert rock tech of Boulder Ridge, the tabletops and rollers of Bomb Dog, the smooth descent down Thunder Rock Express, the Mason handled it all admirably. Numerous times I thought, "This is the perfect bike for this trail." Only a couple of times did I consider that a FS might be better suited for a section on the whole trip. For a bike in this middling price range, I think that is saying a lot.

    I think it climbs very well too, both in seated and standing position. The only spot where it is less suited is in twisty, tight corridor riding, mostly due to bar width. I expected more of a trade off going to a relatively heavy, slack, and burly AM bike. Racer boi can keep featherweight long and steep XC rig. This is my kind of ride. I can still turn out expert loop times on this 'AM' bike anyway.
  • 06-24-2013
    Fluidworks
    C'mon guys, let's get some pics in here.
  • 07-16-2013
    Hayes
    I second the request for pics.
    I am ready to purchase but it appears we have two guys like me, 5'10 with 32" inseam. One loves the med and the other loves the large. If it matters, I am about 200lbs. I would like to see a photo of the adjusted seat height for each of these folks. Thanks.
  • 07-16-2013
    matmattmatthew
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Hayes View Post
    I second the request for pics.
    I am ready to purchase but it appears we have two guys like me, 5'10 with 32" inseam. One loves the med and the other loves the large. If it matters, I am about 200lbs. I would like to see a photo of the adjusted seat height for each of these folks. Thanks.

    I depends on how/where you ride and past bikes you've owned and how they fit. But I'd probably recommend for you to bump up to a large. The frame is pretty true to size but the sloping top tube and short stem make it easier to size up then a traditional XC style frame. Here are a couple pic's of my bike (large) for reference, although I currently ride with the post just a bit higher to get better extension on longer climbs. I'm 6' 1 with a 34"







  • 07-16-2013
    Hayes
    matt,
    thank you. that really helps. I ran a Spec Tricross in a large for a few years and it was fine. With this bike it appears that the LG and my 32in inseam will give me at least 5.5inches of total post. Thank you.
    I guess i will begin the hunt for a lg mason, if not...i wonder if any changes are set up for the 2014 mason.
  • 09-09-2013
    maven.rogue
    Hey Guys, I am ready to update my tires. Any insight? I have heard good things about running ardent 2.4 on both or 2.4 on front and maybe 2.25 ardent on back or 2.2 crossmarks? I ride in the pacific nw, but we have high desert conditions here also.
  • 09-10-2013
    Performula
    Anyone warp their brakes? My front brake is less than six months old with a wobble already and I don't ride that aggressive.
  • 09-10-2013
    Performula
    I'm still riding the medium fine. It's probably a tad small but the tech stuff I ride made the purchase worthwhile. When riding street I usually extend the seat post to the Dropzone label. About a 1cm below the recommended line.
  • 09-11-2013
    l84biking
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by maven.rogue View Post
    Hey Guys, I am ready to update my tires. Any insight? I have heard good things about running ardent 2.4 on both or 2.4 on front and maybe 2.25 ardent on back or 2.2 crossmarks? I ride in the pacific nw, but we have high desert conditions here also.

    I am currently riding an Ardent 2.25 on the back with a Geax Gato 2.3 up front. Both are tubeless. If you want more "comfort", then go with the 2.4. The tires worked great over the summer in Oregon. I prefer a tire that digs into the dirt front and rear on this bike. The stock Slant 6 was way to slick for me on the Mason.

    HTH
  • 09-11-2013
    AllMountin'
    Re: Mason HT
    I am loving the 2.4 Chunky Monkey up front. It's a grippier Ardent built on the same casing.

    2.3 Spec Purgatory on rear is decent, but less traction than the Monkey.
  • 09-11-2013
    l84biking
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by AllMountin' View Post
    I am loving the 2.4 Chunky Monkey up front. It's a grippier Ardent built on the same casing.

    2.3 Spec Purgatory on rear is decent, but less traction than the Monkey.

    Do you have the Chunky Monkey set up tubeless or tubed? I just picked up one of those for the Mason.
  • 10-13-2013
    becker999
    Mason HT
    So I was all set to snag a Yelli and then I ran across this bike with an unbelievable discount so saving me a lot of money and I can ride now rather than build later. I thought I was set on the medium but after reading all your posts I am not so sure. 5'10" 34" inseam ..... Anyone rocking a large close to that..... This will be my first bike with this geo....
  • 10-13-2013
    Performula
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by becker999 View Post
    So I was all set to snag a Yelli and then I ran across this bike with an unbelievable discount so saving me a lot of money and I can ride now rather than build later. I thought I was set on the medium but after reading all your posts I am not so sure. 5'10" 34" inseam ..... Anyone rocking a large close to that..... This will be my first bike with this geo....

    Large will be fine. Price?
  • 10-13-2013
    AllMountin'
    Re: Mason HT
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by l84biking View Post
    Do you have the Chunky Monkey set up tubeless or tubed? I just picked up one of those for the Mason.



    Sorry, I missed this. I'm running tubes for now. I'm going to set up my fattie tubeless. If that goes well, then I'll likely switch the Mason too. Love this tire. Grips everything well.

    Becker, your inseam says large, and the reach seems short on these, so I would go large. I have the same inseam and am 4 inches taller on an XL.
  • 10-13-2013
    nuclear_powered
    Just curiously, what sort of rear axle does this frame run? I know it's 142 x 12, but I'm a little unsure whether it's Syntace, Rockshox maxle, or if they're the same, or if it's something else?

    Reason I ask: I'm interested in the frame-only option (since I've got an XC 29er with wheels, brakes & drivetrain I'm happy to keep and swap over), and by the looks of the photos the frame-only option doesn't come with the rear axle (though it does come with a KS dropper post - sweet!).

    So I'm wondering what type of axle I need to buy, and then I'll need to know what sort of adapters I'll have to get for my Hope Pro2 Evo rear hub. They have "12mm both thru" and "X12" options.
  • 10-13-2013
    becker999
    Mason HT
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Performula View Post
    Large will be fine. Price?

    15 for the pro
  • 10-25-2013
    NorthwestAir
    anyone have idea of price for 2014 frame-only? or maybe it frame/seatpost?
  • 10-29-2013
    l84biking
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by nuclear_powered View Post
    Just curiously, what sort of rear axle does this frame run? I know it's 142 x 12, but I'm a little unsure whether it's Syntace, Rockshox maxle, or if they're the same, or if it's something else?

    Reason I ask: I'm interested in the frame-only option (since I've got an XC 29er with wheels, brakes & drivetrain I'm happy to keep and swap over), and by the looks of the photos the frame-only option doesn't come with the rear axle (though it does come with a KS dropper post - sweet!).

    So I'm wondering what type of axle I need to buy, and then I'll need to know what sort of adapters I'll have to get for my Hope Pro2 Evo rear hub. They have "12mm both thru" and "X12" options.

    nuclear_
    From what I've gathered, the frame set does come with a Rock Shox Maxle and I thought a rear hub. That may have changed for 2014. I know 2013's had the hub.

    As for which Hope adapters, I would go with 12mm over the X12. You may want to talk to Hope or your LBS to confirm. I am not an expert on the differences between the two systems.

    L8
  • 10-31-2013
    nuclear_powered
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by l84biking View Post
    nuclear_
    From what I've gathered, the frame set does come with a Rock Shox Maxle and I thought a rear hub. That may have changed for 2014. I know 2013's had the hub.

    As for which Hope adapters, I would go with 12mm over the X12. You may want to talk to Hope or your LBS to confirm. I am not an expert on the differences between the two systems.

    L8

    I contacted an owner from earlier in the thread and he confirmed it's a Rockshox maxle axle, and was pretty sure the frame-only comes with at least an axle. It will arrive in a week or so - then I'll know the deal.

    As for the Hope adapters, the FAQ on the CRC page for the adapters seemed to indicate X12, and then Hope confirmed this in an email. I gather from what I've read and have been told, it seems that the 142 x 12 standard was started by Syntace, who called it X12 (anyone feel free to correct me on that). Indeed there are 142 x 12 rear ends out there that require longer axles to cope with a pivot point concentric to the rear axle (Devinci, Trek), but as far as hub standards go, Syntace X12 seems to be the interface that's required.

    About to order stem, bars and a Hope ISCG chain guide. Then I'll be ready to put it all together in a few weeks. Will probably switch from my Panaracer Rampage 2.35's to Ardent 2.4's sometime after that.
  • 12-03-2014
    mack_turtle
    old thread is old.

    I am seriously considering buying one of these to replace my Karate Monkey. I like the short 17" chainstays on the Monkey but the front end is not confident on the drops and steps that are so common on central Texas trails.

    I am considering the regular Mason which comes with a 140mm Sektor fork and a non-dropper post, or buying the frameset and putting a 120mm fork on it.

    I feel like the long fork and super slack front end might be a bit much for some of my riding. I might want to replace the fork with one with travel adustment on the fly, but want would the geo feel like if I put some spacers in the fork and dropped it to 120mm? would that steepen the front end enough to make the bike feel a little bit more XC?
  • 12-03-2014
    l84biking
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by mack_turtle View Post

    I am considering the regular Mason which comes with a 140mm Sektor fork and a non-dropper post, or buying the frameset and putting a 120mm fork on it.

    I feel like the long fork and super slack front end might be a bit much for some of my riding. I might want to replace the fork with one with travel adustment on the fly, but want would the geo feel like if I put some spacers in the fork and dropped it to 120mm? would that steepen the front end enough to make the bike feel a little bit more XC?

    Hey Mack_Turtle,

    For steep hills, I drop the fork down to 110mm (Fox Talas fork) and it is way more responsive in a more XC way. In addition, the bottom bracket will lower to give you a more XC feel but I don't think it'll increase pedal strikes.

    Can the Sektor fork have the travel reduced with a spacer? May want to ask Rock Shox or your LBS.

    HTH,
    L8
  • 03-23-2015
    Pac8541
    Hi folks,

    This is my first post here other than an intro in the General Discussion forum and for the record, I've read just about all the fitting threads I could find on this model by searching first...

    I know this thread is kinda old and the Mason, it seems, is already very well accepted but I'm looking at this model as my first mtn bike. My biggest concern at this point is frame size and proper fit. Having zero experience on a bike like this, I have nothing to draw upon. None of the shops in my area seem to have this model in stock much less the size I need to try. I've thrown a leg over a medium Overdrive and it felt a tad big. But again, I don't know how the Mason is supposed to fit...

    I'm 5'08" with a 30" inseam measured without shoes to the floor. All the other threads on this topic seem to be for guys straddling the line between large/med or large/XL which doesn't help me a whole lot. I'm on that line between small/med. DB's website says I fit a med, and with what appears to be a more sloping top tube on the Mason vs. the Overdrive, I'm kind of inclined to believe that. But I don't know what that means other than comfort in my crotch. How big a difference on the Mason specifically, is there between a small and med in other dimensions? Will I be cramped on a small or have to over extend on a med? My riding intention with this will be weekend trail runs with the boys with the occasional ride into a back country stream to fish. I want it to be primarily for fun, half-day blasts if that helps solve the fit equation.

    Thanks for your patience with a blind rider.
  • 03-24-2015
    AllMountin'
    On the larger frame, you'll have deeper seatpost insertion (may come into play with a dropper) and longer reach to the bars. I went to the larger size with mine, preferring longer reach/shorter stem. If you up size, and the reach is long, you can lose an inch or so with a shorter stem. Shorter stems yield more direct steering, and are generally preferred over long stems for AM riding.

    Plenty of riders have done the exact opposite and gone with the smaller,'more nimble' size. YMMV.
  • 03-24-2015
    Pac8541
    Thanks AllMountin', I appreciate you taking the time. My gut tells me to go with a med. frame. With what appears to be a more steeply angled top tube I think my standover will be fine while preserving a more correct balance among other dimensions. I'm going to post a thread in the AZ forum to see if there's anyone nearby that has one I can throw a leg over.