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    Mason HT

    Hold out for the Large...

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    Quote Originally Posted by bycyclist View Post
    Hold out for the Large...
    I agree. I'm 6'1" and the large is pretty spot on, I'd be too cramped on a medium.

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    Setup: The tires on the bike sucked and were quickly upgraded to maxxis ardents 2.4, this made a huge difference! I also swapped out the bars to a lighter red raceface bar that I had.
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    I sure hope REI gets some larges in stock and I will pick it up right away.. I think it would work out for me based on everyone's thoughts. If not.. I guess I'll have to keep searching.

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    I am 6'2" and have been riding my XL for a couple of weeks. My personal belief is that the way the geometry is set up on this bike, you do not want to go too small. I tried the Large for me; and I had to put everything at max settings just to get close to fitting. JensonUSA may have your size and I think they will price match with REI. Also, when I ordered mine from REI, I got the very last XL and it took two weeks. You may want to contact REI, usually when they expect more of an item they will allow you to select from the drop down menu, and wait for it to come into stock. I do not see xl or l in the drop down menu. Lastly, call DiamondBack 800 number and ask them about where to get a Large. Good luck.

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    Yeah, I think I'm going to try to get a large instead. I contacted jenson last week for a price match, but they denied me since REI doesn't have a large in stock "The EXACT item has to be in stock and available to ship".. lame. I also contacted my local REI and he said he couldn't find any in their system. Just a couple mediums and 1 or 2 smalls. He said he is going to get in contact with their DB rep and see if they will be getting any more in sometime soon and to give him a call back later this week. Hopefully he can find something else out. I also contacted REI from online and she said that they don't have an estimated arrival for anymore at this time. I may give Diamondback a call as well. Thanks for your suggestions!

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    Listen!

    I'm six foot, 32" inseam, 74" reach, and I had an XL and just got my Medium today. I felt the XL was too large. The Medium seems to fit fine other than I pulled the seat post out another two inches from the recommended line. Anyone know of a longer seat post?

    I have 1.5" risers, a 40mm stem, and the bike still fits fine. The bike is way nimbler compared to the XL. In order to sit upright on either the M or XL I had to drop the post. Read my next post...

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    And honestly guys, for me to even get comfortable on the XL, I had to extend everything. The seat was nearly maxed out. The geometry is funky on this thing, so no matter what that seat is gonna be be closed to maxed. The larger you go, the higher you are on the bike, the more hunched over you're going to be. My junk has room to move.

    Plug in your specs on DB. You'd be surprised. I thought I'd need a large but I tweaked one number and I was recommended for the medium, large second. If you are on tighter stuff, and six foot, definitely go Medium.

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    I'm afraid you will probably have to wait until Diamondback releases the 2014 model. I work at a LBS that deals diamondbacks and we were told that the bike is sold out until next years bikes hit the market. Typically bikes debut at the end of summer, but sometimes earlier. On the bright side I have a hunch that the FS Mason will be in next years model line, and there might be some upgrades to the HT Mason. Either way you have a few months.

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    Can someone confirm that the mason has a standard 73 mm. BB .....?

    also looking for stack numbers, for the L and XL frames with a 140 mm. fork

    all info will be much apreciated

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    Yes it's 73mm.

    As for sizing, I read this thread and another one and I don't even know where to start. It sounds like a couple of you really need a large and complaining that the medium and XL don't fit, of course they're not gonna fit if they're the wrong size. As for the geometry being "funky" and needing everything "maxed," have some of you been fitted before? I've been professionally fitted and can get correct seatpost extension on the large, and I have a 34" inseam, I still have about 20mm to go before I'm at the max line.

    I raced an Enduro this past weekend and put over 50 miles on my Mason, on top of the ~300 miles I've already ridden on it. The race had a road gap, berms, 20+ foot doubles, drops, rock gardens, short steep climbs, tight singletrack and everything in between. Bottom line, this bike flat out takes everything you can throw at it. Most other racers were on 5-6" travel bikes including my two buddies and I was ripping past everyone. There were even a couple stages I posted faster times than a couple pro's on Prototype full suspension 650 bikes. I even have one of my friends considering selling his Fuel EX to pick up a Mason.

    Quote Originally Posted by Endless Trail View Post
    Can someone confirm that the mason has a standard 73 mm. BB .....?

    also looking for stack numbers, for the L and XL frames with a 140 mm. fork

    all info will be much apreciated

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    I suspect that some of the sizing issues stem from people's expectations for the feel of a bike, coming from traditional XC geo to AM geo. The bike should not feel like your XC bike.

    At 6'2" with a 34" inseam, I am right at home on the XL, with a bit less than 2" to spare to minimum insertion. I'd strongly advise against undersizing and running the post at less than minimum. DB will not warranty your frame if you crack your seat tube as a result. The KS also has warnings about running your clamp at the minimum tension that prevents slipping, so as to not damage the seatpost. You will also put more stress over a smaller area of that post.

    I just took a road trip, hitting the trails around Birmingham and Chatanooga, among other places. The bike feels right at home at Oak Mtn, Coldwater Mtn, and Tanasi. From the rocky DH on Blood Rock, to the expert rock tech of Boulder Ridge, the tabletops and rollers of Bomb Dog, the smooth descent down Thunder Rock Express, the Mason handled it all admirably. Numerous times I thought, "This is the perfect bike for this trail." Only a couple of times did I consider that a FS might be better suited for a section on the whole trip. For a bike in this middling price range, I think that is saying a lot.

    I think it climbs very well too, both in seated and standing position. The only spot where it is less suited is in twisty, tight corridor riding, mostly due to bar width. I expected more of a trade off going to a relatively heavy, slack, and burly AM bike. Racer boi can keep featherweight long and steep XC rig. This is my kind of ride. I can still turn out expert loop times on this 'AM' bike anyway.

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    C'mon guys, let's get some pics in here.

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    I second the request for pics.
    I am ready to purchase but it appears we have two guys like me, 5'10 with 32" inseam. One loves the med and the other loves the large. If it matters, I am about 200lbs. I would like to see a photo of the adjusted seat height for each of these folks. Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hayes View Post
    I second the request for pics.
    I am ready to purchase but it appears we have two guys like me, 5'10 with 32" inseam. One loves the med and the other loves the large. If it matters, I am about 200lbs. I would like to see a photo of the adjusted seat height for each of these folks. Thanks.
    I depends on how/where you ride and past bikes you've owned and how they fit. But I'd probably recommend for you to bump up to a large. The frame is pretty true to size but the sloping top tube and short stem make it easier to size up then a traditional XC style frame. Here are a couple pic's of my bike (large) for reference, although I currently ride with the post just a bit higher to get better extension on longer climbs. I'm 6' 1 with a 34"








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    matt,
    thank you. that really helps. I ran a Spec Tricross in a large for a few years and it was fine. With this bike it appears that the LG and my 32in inseam will give me at least 5.5inches of total post. Thank you.
    I guess i will begin the hunt for a lg mason, if not...i wonder if any changes are set up for the 2014 mason.

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    Hey Guys, I am ready to update my tires. Any insight? I have heard good things about running ardent 2.4 on both or 2.4 on front and maybe 2.25 ardent on back or 2.2 crossmarks? I ride in the pacific nw, but we have high desert conditions here also.

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    Anyone warp their brakes? My front brake is less than six months old with a wobble already and I don't ride that aggressive.

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    I'm still riding the medium fine. It's probably a tad small but the tech stuff I ride made the purchase worthwhile. When riding street I usually extend the seat post to the Dropzone label. About a 1cm below the recommended line.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maven.rogue View Post
    Hey Guys, I am ready to update my tires. Any insight? I have heard good things about running ardent 2.4 on both or 2.4 on front and maybe 2.25 ardent on back or 2.2 crossmarks? I ride in the pacific nw, but we have high desert conditions here also.
    I am currently riding an Ardent 2.25 on the back with a Geax Gato 2.3 up front. Both are tubeless. If you want more "comfort", then go with the 2.4. The tires worked great over the summer in Oregon. I prefer a tire that digs into the dirt front and rear on this bike. The stock Slant 6 was way to slick for me on the Mason.

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    Re: Mason HT

    I am loving the 2.4 Chunky Monkey up front. It's a grippier Ardent built on the same casing.

    2.3 Spec Purgatory on rear is decent, but less traction than the Monkey.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AllMountin' View Post
    I am loving the 2.4 Chunky Monkey up front. It's a grippier Ardent built on the same casing.

    2.3 Spec Purgatory on rear is decent, but less traction than the Monkey.
    Do you have the Chunky Monkey set up tubeless or tubed? I just picked up one of those for the Mason.
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    Mason HT

    So I was all set to snag a Yelli and then I ran across this bike with an unbelievable discount so saving me a lot of money and I can ride now rather than build later. I thought I was set on the medium but after reading all your posts I am not so sure. 5'10" 34" inseam ..... Anyone rocking a large close to that..... This will be my first bike with this geo....

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    Quote Originally Posted by becker999 View Post
    So I was all set to snag a Yelli and then I ran across this bike with an unbelievable discount so saving me a lot of money and I can ride now rather than build later. I thought I was set on the medium but after reading all your posts I am not so sure. 5'10" 34" inseam ..... Anyone rocking a large close to that..... This will be my first bike with this geo....
    Large will be fine. Price?

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    Re: Mason HT

    Quote Originally Posted by l84biking View Post
    Do you have the Chunky Monkey set up tubeless or tubed? I just picked up one of those for the Mason.


    Sorry, I missed this. I'm running tubes for now. I'm going to set up my fattie tubeless. If that goes well, then I'll likely switch the Mason too. Love this tire. Grips everything well.

    Becker, your inseam says large, and the reach seems short on these, so I would go large. I have the same inseam and am 4 inches taller on an XL.

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    Just curiously, what sort of rear axle does this frame run? I know it's 142 x 12, but I'm a little unsure whether it's Syntace, Rockshox maxle, or if they're the same, or if it's something else?

    Reason I ask: I'm interested in the frame-only option (since I've got an XC 29er with wheels, brakes & drivetrain I'm happy to keep and swap over), and by the looks of the photos the frame-only option doesn't come with the rear axle (though it does come with a KS dropper post - sweet!).

    So I'm wondering what type of axle I need to buy, and then I'll need to know what sort of adapters I'll have to get for my Hope Pro2 Evo rear hub. They have "12mm both thru" and "X12" options.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Performula View Post
    Large will be fine. Price?
    15 for the pro

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    anyone have idea of price for 2014 frame-only? or maybe it frame/seatpost?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nuclear_powered View Post
    Just curiously, what sort of rear axle does this frame run? I know it's 142 x 12, but I'm a little unsure whether it's Syntace, Rockshox maxle, or if they're the same, or if it's something else?

    Reason I ask: I'm interested in the frame-only option (since I've got an XC 29er with wheels, brakes & drivetrain I'm happy to keep and swap over), and by the looks of the photos the frame-only option doesn't come with the rear axle (though it does come with a KS dropper post - sweet!).

    So I'm wondering what type of axle I need to buy, and then I'll need to know what sort of adapters I'll have to get for my Hope Pro2 Evo rear hub. They have "12mm both thru" and "X12" options.
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    From what I've gathered, the frame set does come with a Rock Shox Maxle and I thought a rear hub. That may have changed for 2014. I know 2013's had the hub.

    As for which Hope adapters, I would go with 12mm over the X12. You may want to talk to Hope or your LBS to confirm. I am not an expert on the differences between the two systems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by l84biking View Post
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    From what I've gathered, the frame set does come with a Rock Shox Maxle and I thought a rear hub. That may have changed for 2014. I know 2013's had the hub.

    As for which Hope adapters, I would go with 12mm over the X12. You may want to talk to Hope or your LBS to confirm. I am not an expert on the differences between the two systems.

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    I contacted an owner from earlier in the thread and he confirmed it's a Rockshox maxle axle, and was pretty sure the frame-only comes with at least an axle. It will arrive in a week or so - then I'll know the deal.

    As for the Hope adapters, the FAQ on the CRC page for the adapters seemed to indicate X12, and then Hope confirmed this in an email. I gather from what I've read and have been told, it seems that the 142 x 12 standard was started by Syntace, who called it X12 (anyone feel free to correct me on that). Indeed there are 142 x 12 rear ends out there that require longer axles to cope with a pivot point concentric to the rear axle (Devinci, Trek), but as far as hub standards go, Syntace X12 seems to be the interface that's required.

    About to order stem, bars and a Hope ISCG chain guide. Then I'll be ready to put it all together in a few weeks. Will probably switch from my Panaracer Rampage 2.35's to Ardent 2.4's sometime after that.

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    old thread is old.

    I am seriously considering buying one of these to replace my Karate Monkey. I like the short 17" chainstays on the Monkey but the front end is not confident on the drops and steps that are so common on central Texas trails.

    I am considering the regular Mason which comes with a 140mm Sektor fork and a non-dropper post, or buying the frameset and putting a 120mm fork on it.

    I feel like the long fork and super slack front end might be a bit much for some of my riding. I might want to replace the fork with one with travel adustment on the fly, but want would the geo feel like if I put some spacers in the fork and dropped it to 120mm? would that steepen the front end enough to make the bike feel a little bit more XC?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mack_turtle View Post

    I am considering the regular Mason which comes with a 140mm Sektor fork and a non-dropper post, or buying the frameset and putting a 120mm fork on it.

    I feel like the long fork and super slack front end might be a bit much for some of my riding. I might want to replace the fork with one with travel adustment on the fly, but want would the geo feel like if I put some spacers in the fork and dropped it to 120mm? would that steepen the front end enough to make the bike feel a little bit more XC?
    Hey Mack_Turtle,

    For steep hills, I drop the fork down to 110mm (Fox Talas fork) and it is way more responsive in a more XC way. In addition, the bottom bracket will lower to give you a more XC feel but I don't think it'll increase pedal strikes.

    Can the Sektor fork have the travel reduced with a spacer? May want to ask Rock Shox or your LBS.

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    Hi folks,

    This is my first post here other than an intro in the General Discussion forum and for the record, I've read just about all the fitting threads I could find on this model by searching first...

    I know this thread is kinda old and the Mason, it seems, is already very well accepted but I'm looking at this model as my first mtn bike. My biggest concern at this point is frame size and proper fit. Having zero experience on a bike like this, I have nothing to draw upon. None of the shops in my area seem to have this model in stock much less the size I need to try. I've thrown a leg over a medium Overdrive and it felt a tad big. But again, I don't know how the Mason is supposed to fit...

    I'm 5'08" with a 30" inseam measured without shoes to the floor. All the other threads on this topic seem to be for guys straddling the line between large/med or large/XL which doesn't help me a whole lot. I'm on that line between small/med. DB's website says I fit a med, and with what appears to be a more sloping top tube on the Mason vs. the Overdrive, I'm kind of inclined to believe that. But I don't know what that means other than comfort in my crotch. How big a difference on the Mason specifically, is there between a small and med in other dimensions? Will I be cramped on a small or have to over extend on a med? My riding intention with this will be weekend trail runs with the boys with the occasional ride into a back country stream to fish. I want it to be primarily for fun, half-day blasts if that helps solve the fit equation.

    Thanks for your patience with a blind rider.

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    On the larger frame, you'll have deeper seatpost insertion (may come into play with a dropper) and longer reach to the bars. I went to the larger size with mine, preferring longer reach/shorter stem. If you up size, and the reach is long, you can lose an inch or so with a shorter stem. Shorter stems yield more direct steering, and are generally preferred over long stems for AM riding.

    Plenty of riders have done the exact opposite and gone with the smaller,'more nimble' size. YMMV.

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    Thanks AllMountin', I appreciate you taking the time. My gut tells me to go with a med. frame. With what appears to be a more steeply angled top tube I think my standover will be fine while preserving a more correct balance among other dimensions. I'm going to post a thread in the AZ forum to see if there's anyone nearby that has one I can throw a leg over.

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