• 09-04-2012
    lunna
    what is wrong with disc brakes on cyclocross bikes ?
    i was told only cantilever brake cyclocross bikes have race geometry.
  • 09-04-2012
    Sheepo5669
    You are wrong my friend.
  • 09-04-2012
    Zoomy29er
    My next CX bike will have disc brakes. I was all excited this past Winter to do a ride with studded tires...until I tried to stop with cantis. That totally sucked. Made me really not want to do more rides when I had such inadequate braking power in below-freezing temps.

    Either that or I get a Mukluk.
  • 09-04-2012
    sslos
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by lunna View Post
    i was told only cantilever brake cyclocross bikes have race geometry.

    Not any more. Since UCI rules were changed to allow the use of disc brakes in CX, there's been a bunch of true, race-worthy disc 'cross bikes produced.
    Now, as to the debate about discs v. rim brakes, I'm staying outta that one...

    Los
  • 09-04-2012
    Dry Side
    Geometry looks good on this one ..

    Raleigh Bicycles RXC Pro Disc
  • 09-05-2012
    ecub
    Felt came out with 2013 disc Cross bikes...

    Felt F1X

    Felt F3X


    The Felt 65FX hasn't changed much between 2012 & 2013.
  • 09-05-2012
    lunna
    i asked a few questions on weight wennies.
    and was told i was stupid for wanting disc brakes.
    because discs only came on touring style bikes

    when i inquired more. i was banned by the know it alls.
  • 09-05-2012
    ChroMo-SA
    I have BB7s on my Cotic X and they are awesome.

    Braking with confidence on a road/CX bike is a novelty for me! A welcome one at that!
  • 09-05-2012
    BigRuckus
    Wish I had discs on my CX but I bought two years too soon. Grinding mud in the cantis makes braking a bit unpredictable.
  • 09-05-2012
    toddre
    I was resistant to discs on a cross bike when Airborne told me they were going to do it on the Delta... after having it for awhile, I wouldn't go back to cantis....
  • 09-05-2012
    J3SSEB
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by lunna View Post
    i asked a few questions on weight wennies.
    and was told i was stupid for wanting disc brakes.
    because discs only came on touring style bikes

    when i inquired more. i was banned by the know it alls.

    We welcome you with a warm embrace and won't judge you if you want disc brakes on your CX bike. So yeah, those weight wennies are wrong. There are plenty of cross racing worthy bikes out there outfitted with discs.
  • 09-05-2012
    limba
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by lunna View Post
    i asked a few questions on weight wennies.
    and was told i was stupid for wanting disc brakes.
    because discs only came on touring style bikes

    when i inquired more. i was banned by the know it alls.

    Probably didn't happen like that. Asking about discs five years ago would have been dumb but almost every manufacturer has a high end disc cross bike in their line up.
    It's not even the future, it's now.
  • 09-05-2012
    Jaybo
    Very soon hydro disc brakes are going to be available with drop bar shifters. This changes things in a very good way...more modulation.
  • 09-05-2012
    limba
    I really doubt the new RED discs will work. We'll see if the Cannondale guys get them this season.
  • 09-05-2012
    lunna
    2 Attachment(s)
    i asked which trek with disc bikes , since my local shop can get them.
    and i got banned
    because i was supposed to be looking only for lightest weight brakes.?
    not most effective i guess.
  • 09-05-2012
    lunna
    Hi

    I've been asked to PM you on behalf of the admin's.

    It is thought that forums like mtbr and Road Bike Review might be a better fit for the questions you're looking to get answers for. Not sure Weight Weenies is really the place.

    If you could please hold back from making any more posts that would be appreciated.


    Cheers,

    Admin team
  • 09-05-2012
    lunna
    here is the last reply i got after i asked why.....

    Can I ask, as initially requested, you refrain from posting here .

    Thank you.

    Admin team
  • 09-05-2012
    ms6073
    Are you sure you were banned as there have been a number of threads on disc brakes in both the road and cyclocross forums over the past several months? That reply does not sound like you were banned, simply that WW forums members were not happy with your posts and messaged the forum moderator(s) to intervene. Keep in mind that many of the forum participants are not native to the English language (including the site owner) and it is possible something got lost in translation.
  • 09-05-2012
    lunna
    basically my bike is too big for me 54
    and i wanted to get a smaller bike. 50 ?
    so i thought. might aswell go disc on the new bike.
  • 09-05-2012
    lunna
    if i can't post question about cyclocross in the cyclocross forum on weight wennies
    . no need to go there.

    what i want on a new bike is.
    smaller 50-51 .
    disc brakes
    those additional secondary upper brake levers on top bar near stem


    i would buy a very short "zero mm" stem right now
    (don't now the what they call this type of stem, but i see them on downhill bikes)

    but.... i can't find a short that fits headshok. (has 60 - 80 mm stem on it now )
    so i could bring the bars closer to me.

    THANK YOU to everyone ,, in advance for helping me..
  • 09-06-2012
    lunna
    i see that mtbr also has a weight weenies forum.

    i was banned from posting at the actual weight weenies site.
  • 09-06-2012
    csteven71
    #1.Go back to your trek store.

    #2. Order this bike in a 50.
    Trek Bicycle

    #3. Ride and be happy.
  • 09-06-2012
    lunna
    that is what i was looking at
  • 09-07-2012
    69erEverything
    I bet that Trek weighs 25 lbs. Then again your Cannondale probably weighs 24lbs so you'll likely not notice the difference in weight. You will be happy when you ride a bike that fits you better. Get that bike :)
  • 09-07-2012
    lunna
    yes that is the plan
    selling the canondale first
  • 09-07-2012
    OldHouseMan
    IMO, with the exception of slightly better mud clearance, disc brakes are pretty much not worth it for racing CX. I have never felt that I have ever needed more stopping power during a CX race. Now if you're riding your CX bike on the road or on trails, hell yes, disc brakes are worth it and much better than cantis.

    My CX bike doubles as my commuter and I'm replacing rims every 1.5 years due to the sidewalls wearing out. So I'm super stoked to build a CX with discs.
  • 09-07-2012
    mudrock
    you need to go to a bike shop. get some face to face help.
  • 09-09-2012
    Nickt30
    Ventana El Martillo CX "The Hammer" with Disc
    i will never do it any other way.
    The hayes mech looked cool in silver but the total weight of the package (caliper, rotor, cable/housing, and bolts) weighed 1 lb. Front and back 2lbs total but minus the weight of canti's and housing maybe increased the bike weight of about 1.5.

    They took some road riding and hard stoppping to get them broken in and adjusted.
    After the breakin period theses things are the best.
    Great Modulation, incredible stopping power, and when wet there is no wet/muddy rim to brake thru. We had a muddy race in a grass feild and i had so much muddy grass bult up on the canti's that the bike weighed a few lbs heavier until i cleared them my hand, while carrying thebike and runing....not fun......actually that was my biggest complaint with canti.

    Contrary to most I dont care about weight so much, i do use my brakes especially when i pass right before the corner because all the canti bikes start breaking early......
    Also i am a mid pack rider so my competitive mindset is moderate.
    Maybe the concerns are different at the front of the pack.

    Jamis has 5 models all with disc
    3 aluminum and 2 carbon
    starting at $850
  • 09-09-2012
    OldHouseMan
    Nickt30 - How do you like the Ventana El Martillo CX? I'm a big Ventana fan and it has been at the top of my list for some time.
  • 09-09-2012
    Nickt30
    The Ventana El Martillo really feels great. Climbing, cornering, and even though it is aluminum it rides the rough stuff smoothly. The frame holds strong under some hard braking. Tappered headtube,135mm rear, and a great paintjob.
  • 09-09-2012
    OldHouseMan
    Is the tapered headtube an upgrade?
  • 09-09-2012
    mudrock
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by OldHouseMan View Post
    Is the tapered headtube an upgrade?

    I would think so. With discs a lot of torque is being placed at the fork ends compared to cantis. Bigger bottom race on a fork = stiffer fork. The disc carbon forks coming out now are huge, compared to the Alpha-Q and Easton forks of yore.
  • 09-09-2012
    OldHouseMan
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by mudrock View Post
    I would think so. With discs a lot of torque is being placed at the fork ends compared to cantis. Bigger bottom race on a fork = stiffer fork. The disc carbon forks coming out now are huge, compared to the Alpha-Q and Easton forks of yore.

    I agree, a tapered headtube would be a plus for sure, but by asking if the "Tapered headtube is an upgrade", I meant to say..I believe the El Martillo CX comes with a standard 1 1/8th headtube, Nickt30 did you upgrade to the tapered headtube over the standard 1 1/8th headtube? Or is the tapered headtube standard?
  • 09-10-2012
    whoda*huck
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Sheepo5669 View Post
    You are wrong my friend.

    Kinda harsh, don't you mean the people that told him that are wrong?
  • 09-10-2012
    Nickt30
    headtube upgrades
    It was not an upgrade as much as using the newer tappered headtubes that they are incorporating into all their bikes. But now that you make me think about it i have to go check my invoice.....maybe there was an up grade charge. I added a few rear rack bosses for commuting, and i had a custom paint job. Either way i needed it to run a carbon tappered disc fork. Ofcourse Sherwood cringed at the idea of carbon on his bike. I put on the redline carbon tappered disc fork and it is rock solid.

    Although geting back to on thread.........disc brakes did add 1.5lbs of wt.
    The only thing wrong with disc brakes at the moment....... IMO
  • 10-28-2012
    Retlaw
    So what disc setups are you guys using? ...and will they work with roadie shift/brake controls circa 1999?
    I just scored an '09 Redline disc frame to replace my old '99 frame. Hoping to swap everything over, and wiil be getting new wheels and brakes.
    Are hydro brakes even a possibility at this time?
  • 10-28-2012
    limba
    Not unless you use some kind of converter.
  • 10-28-2012
    knoob
    I saw some TRP hydo's at interbike that used STI levers.
    Availability ? I'm an All Mountain guy.
    The flash of the disc caught my eye.:D
  • 10-29-2012
    mdehner
    No intent to hijack the thread, but what are the pros/cons of hydro v. mechanical discs for CX bikes?
  • 10-29-2012
    Sheepo5669
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by mdehner View Post
    No intent to hijack the thread, but what are the pros/cons of hydro v. mechanical discs for CX bikes?

    Pros of mechanical/cons of hydraulic:
    Mechanical is cheaper
    No fluid to boil on long descents in mechanicals
    Mechanicals are lighter than hydros+conversion
    Mechanicals may be easier to work on(subjective)

    Cons of mech/pros of hydros-
    Hydros have better lever feel
    Nice hydros have more power and modulation
    Hydros have self adjusting pads for wear
    Hydros have a sealed system less prone to mud/dirt contamination
    Hydros typically don't ever need maintenance besides changing the pads
  • 10-29-2012
    centexells
    I think if you use your bike for trails and more than just CX racing the disc brakes would be nice, but i have yet to be in a cross race and wish i had more braking power, and the weight penalty of them vs the extra power is just not worth it, personally.
  • 11-16-2012
    LDSC
    im new to disc brakes but they are freakin amazing!
  • 11-16-2012
    limba
  • 12-04-2012
    limba
  • 12-04-2012
    Sheepo5669
    Made separate thread. Sorry
  • 12-06-2012
    kasperilio
    Disc is coming on fast, the Avid road 7's are nice.
    I raced my Tri-Cross with disc on the weekends and commuted during the week and it worked great, especially for a newb to cross. I wasn't worried about the weight because being a mtn biker I had to have disc brakes.
  • 12-06-2012
    Rivet
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by kasperilio View Post
    I wasn't worried about the weight because being a mtn biker I had to have disc brakes.

    I'm not really sure what this means? I've raced MTB's for almost 20 years, most of that time as an expert. I currently race XC and Super D as an expert (cat1) road as a Cat 3 and Cyclocross as an A master (Cat 1) and am on the podium in all. I have 4 mountain bikes all with disc brakes yet my 15.8 lb cyclocross bike has v-brakes and I have NEVER wanted for more braking power or better modulation.
  • 12-11-2012
    LDSC
    Hey, since we are on the topic. I bought a Raleigh Furley about a month or so ago, give or take. I'm definitely not liking the disc brakes that are on it and I am looking to get an upgrade. Not an upgrade that is going to deplete my residual income, if you know what I mean. I'm looking for some decent disc brakes that will really make me feel safe. Any help is appreciated!
  • 12-11-2012
    jrm
    Why not only up front?
    and a v brake in back,seriously. i never use the rear brake anyway. Sure would make long descents nicer..
  • 12-11-2012
    Glide the Clyde
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jrm View Post
    and a v brake in back,seriously. i never use the rear brake anyway. Sure would make long descents nicer..

    A mullet? Never on a cross bike.

    Actually, I have a non-disc frame and have considered a fork swap so I can put a disc up front (need a disc wheel or hub change, the rotor and caliper). Might improve wet/muddy braking, long downhill braking when commuting, and save some on rim thinning (only the back would need to be replaced every few years).

    This thread is so full of mis-info, btw.
  • 12-12-2012
    scottg07
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Malibu412 View Post
    A mullet? Never on a cross bike.

    Actually, I have a non-disc frame and have considered a fork swap so I can put a disc up front (need a disc wheel or hub change, the rotor and caliper). Might improve wet/muddy braking, long downhill braking when commuting, and save some on rim thinning (only the back would need to be replaced every few years).

    This thread is so full of mis-info, btw.

    Why would you say this combo never on a cross bike?
  • 12-12-2012
    Glide the Clyde
    @ scottg: I didn't include a ;) and I should have. Check my second paragraph and you'll see that I am okay with a mulletized cross bike.
  • 12-12-2012
    scottg07
    I thought ya may have been being facetious but I am not overly familiar with cyclocross/(ers) so wasnt sure :)