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    Looks to be identical to the Traitor Crusade.
    The only thing I see that is different is the head tube logo on the Crusade, which is way cooler.
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    Wow, even the color is the same as the Crusade. Nice looking bike though.

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    Fun video.

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    I had never heard of Traitor cycles until now, and I own two Transitions. Hmmm
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    They are all apart of the some company. The Crusade was launched under traitor but they felt that it would also do well under the transition brand and it's dealers. It is the same frame. I would still rather have Transition on the frame though.
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    I could care less about the name.. I want the sexy green transition color!!!

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    Thank god for the threaded BB.

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    I'm seriously considering this bike built up as a SS. This would be my first SS. Or first CX bike for that matter. Are the adjustable drop outs another way of tensioning the chain? Or would I need a tensioner like the surly one ??

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    Quote Originally Posted by jkidd_39 View Post
    I'm seriously considering this bike built up as a SS. This would be my first SS. Or first CX bike for that matter. Are the adjustable drop outs another way of tensioning the chain? Or would I need a tensioner like the surly one ??
    This is all you need. They have about .86" adjustment so you can assume that you have to be within one link for the correct chain tension. Admittingly, this style dropout has less adjustment than horizontal sliders along with less chainstay length flexibility, the system still works all the same, and the setup learning curve with the brakes is very minimal because the top bolt is fixed so one extra bolt to adjust...minor inconvenience and performance won't be effected.

    My only complaint with with this frameset, and the reason I haven't contacted Transition for a quote w/ the ENVE fork is the fact that there is only one set of bottle cage braze-ons located on the seat tube. Since I will be using this as a gravel grinder/road bike to ride to the trails and on the trails type of bike, the second cage is pretty important. I understand why it doesn't have two sets of braze-on's for shouldering purpose, and it is marketed as a CX racer.
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    Thanks for the clarification. It never hurts to ask them.. or at the least letting them know.. they actually do listen to these customers so you might be the beginning of added added braze ons for next years frame..

    And seriously.. how can you turn away from that beautiful color!?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jkidd_39 View Post
    Thanks for the clarification. It never hurts to ask them.. or at the least letting them know.. they actually do listen to these customers so you might be the beginning of added added braze ons for next years frame..

    And seriously.. how can you turn away from that beautiful color!?
    Jkidd

    You know, that's a very good point...and a problem around the forums (it appears) and you caught me @ in doing it. Instead of just dismissing a product because of one minor detail, and not even talking with the company about it isn't really fair because there is a good chance that they can "make right" in there or fix it for the next version.

    As for the color, my fav. color is green, just not that green and I like the traditional tape retro style..so schemes of changing it to that were already being plotted.

    So as per your advice, I will give them a ring and see what they have to say! I was just so caught up on the Civilian Vive Le Roi checking all my boxes and cheaper....that I keep forgetting that I would really like a higher quality steel.
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    No harm sir.. that civilian is truely a beautiful ride! That was the first non MTB that actually made me do a double take..

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    Any inside knowledge, review of sorts? Not to thread steal, you can send in a private message, but it would be a direct comparison outside of price.
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    I like this. I wonder how it compres (performance wise) to the Macho Man Disc......

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    I like this. I wonder how it compres (performance wise) to the Macho Man Disc......
    They both look almost identical. Only difference I see is the adjustable drop outs for the SS on the transition.

    I don't think you can go wrong with either.

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    I like it. I like the geo and the colors. The video won me over
    Anybody know what the max tire clearance is?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jkidd_39 View Post
    They both look almost identical. Only difference I see is the adjustable drop outs for the SS on the transition.

    I don't think you can go wrong with either.
    This "catagory" of frames has me really intrigued. I'd love to see what people have done with "upgrades". I'm thinking Force with good wheels and a CF fork for myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phsycle View Post
    I like it. I like the geo and the colors. The video won me over
    Anybody know what the max tire clearance is?
    35mm from what I can find

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    The Traitor Cycles website with the Crusader states:
    SIZES: 48, 52, 55, 58
    PAINT: Matte Black, Metallic Bright Green
    FRAME MATERIAL: Founderland Seamless Race Double Butted Chromoly with ED rust proof coating inside and out.
    FORK: Crusade Chromoly Disc Fork
    1 1/8" Threadless w/160mm IS disc brake tabes (386 Axle to Crown)
    WEIGHT: Frame (Size 55 without dropouts) 4.5 lbs | Fork 2.2 lbs (Uncut Steer Tube)
    Complete Bike (As Pictured) 19 lbs
    WARRANTY: 2 year defect warranty, lifetime crash replacement.
    BUILD SPECS: 44mm Heatube, can run tapered or standard steer forks
    27.2mm Seattube
    Front Derailleur Clamp 28.6mm
    135mm Rear Dropout Spacing
    68mm Bottom Bracket Width
    Max Tire Width 35c (With 6mm of clearance on each side)

    6mm of clearance on each side indicate that you could likely fit something bigger depending on the rim combination. Wider rims will spread the tire more rather than bubble it, so you may be able to fit slightly more rubber, like 40-42ish.


    After going back n forth from looking at the Civilian Le Roi Le Veut, Surly Straggler, Soma Double Cross, Volagi Viaje, Origin8 CX700, On-One Dirty Disco, and even Curlo Custom (very reasonably priced for custom) my needs so too specific, and I know if I don't get exactly what I am looking for, it'll be replaced in a year or so (or worse not ride it)...and I'm tired of buying bikes (not really, but significant other is)...

    So I will most likely just save my pennies, and get a custom from Scott Quiring as I intended to do with my 29SS, and I've been wanting one of his bikes for a few years now..so I just might as well get it right and make myself and the nagging woman happy.
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