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    I have a Mso on stans ironcross on back. Live it at 38-40 psi. I have a deformity on my front iron cross a wich blew off my Mso in the front twice and ruined my Mso 40s sidewall at 38-42 at most psi. Stans is having me take emery cloth to sharp edge on deformed area. Now I got a rim with paint off tring to lightly sand off hurries area but will have to take tops off and get mini files to correct bead seat area to my liking. I am holding off for tubeless tires( hutch 34 pira, raven35 and a trigger 38). Hopefully they seat and sidewall isn't pulled in to rim to much in that area. Has anyone else had this issue. I've been sitting on this for two weeks. I spent more money on these rims and tires than I've put I. Rest of this bike. I've tried using a tube, extra sealant and tried a slant six off my neighbors bike and still had leak in Same place but haven't had a chance to try it back on to try it with this deformed area sanded. Any one with maybe a good tire combo or experience with what I have coming would be greatly appreciated. I will say though stans was very great to talk to on phone and just wish I could get the stars to align so I can get my tires and see if suggestion work because my intail pics to them we're tough to see do to placement and black color. I don't mind the paint missing now because Iam sure it I'll be missing some once I can get it off my work stand and on bike with rear that's been serving me real we'll.

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    I have a rear Crest with a good size dent that has been holding my Slant 6 SCT with no issues. Ran it at 24psi this weekend (I weight 145lbs) setup tubeless on a very rooty and bumpy course. I would suggest getting a sealant compatible tire and giving that a go.

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    Just mounted a set of Specialized Tracer Pros on a pair of Stan's Ironcross wheels. The plus side is that I could have inflated them with a hand pump. The downside was that mounting the tires was a major battle. I haven't had to use a pair of tire irons in decades, so it took me forever to find a pair in my spares bin. Even then it was touch an go for a while. If I ever get a flat that the sealant won't take care of, I'll be walking back to my truck because there isn't any way in hell I'm getting the tires back off any time soon.

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    Still waiting on tire. I did try a slant six ust that my neighbor had. I sanded off a good 1/8-1/4 inch raised pointed area where the rim must be joind together. The raised area would be where top of bead seats. There's no way it could have sealed there the sealant would slow it couldn't ride it far and after a couple of hours there was no pressure. Hopefully can get tires tonight or tommorow. Should be end of week for the hutch and stans.

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    Just mounted up a Spesh Tracer in the front and Trigger in the back on a set of Iron Cross rims. So far, they've performed admirably on the sharp, pointy trails I train on. Even had a few hits that I swore should have punched through the sidewall that turned up nothing. Traction is ok in the rear - not as grabby in loose sand/foot-thick fine dust as a Vittoria XG TNT Pro, but on par with Kenda's SB8. The Tracer's been excellent at holding the line so far: a lot of the trails here have become extremely loose from rain but so far I haven't felt it slide.

    I had briefly had a Kenda Kommando mounted up on the rear. I do not recommend this tire for the rear if you so much as think about riding pavement: it wore through before I could come on here to complain about it. Traction was much better than the Trigger in sand (that's all we've got here in the Salt Lake Valley, generally), but let us hope the Trigger wears better.

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    Last year set up open pros with 2 layers of gorilla, stans strip, and non-TNT XGs (and sealant obv). I raced those at I thought about 42/40, twice, no problems. I'm 165. I then used some Tracer 2bliss on Shimano 6700s with on layer of stans tape and sealant at 34/32. It was super compliant, but the tires felt really floppy under harder turns, like the casing itself was rolling over a bit. I've raced tubulars for many seasons, the motion didn't totally freak me out. Woulda added air but had no time after preview. So...I burp flatted the rear, swapped that out, then crashed when the front folded over- no burp, it just sorta laid down. TURNS OUT- my pressure was actually 22/20. Yes, I know that sounds ridiculous, I feel like an idiot. I've since raced them at actual 28/26, they were great.
    This also means that I probably raced the open pro/XGs in the upper 20s, which I would not have trusted if I'd known, but take that for what it's worth. They did feel very good, no wonder I was totally amazed at the suppleness at (false) 40 psi.

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    Running the Hutchison Piranha 2 CX Tubeless 34mm @ 24-26 psi on Hed Ardeness + FR Disc with 0 burps and easy install. I weigh 165 and I did a bunch of off camber grass testing down to 20 psi and no burps. The tire feel's best at mid 20's to me as I don't like the mushy feeling. I have a set of Toro's and Black Mamba's I will try this weekend and report back. As I said these tires go on and off so easy changing tires is a non isuue even on race day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vs779 View Post
    Running the Hutchison Piranha 2 CX Tubeless 34mm @ 24-26 psi on Hed Ardeness + FR Disc with 0 burps and easy install. I weigh 165 and I did a bunch of off camber grass testing down to 20 psi and no burps. The tire feel's best at mid 20's to me as I don't like the mushy feeling. I have a set of Toro's and Black Mamba's I will try this weekend and report back. As I said these tires go on and off so easy changing tires is a non isuue even on race day.


    Tried the Toro Tubeless 32 in grass race conditions today at 25 PSI front and rear with no burps and a bit of fold in the rear like a tubular at low PSI. The tires roll a bit slower compared to the Pirhana but the traction makes up for it IMO. That's my go to tire til the grond is frozen.

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    Today I had my first dnf in a race in a long time. It was my fault due to maintenance vs setup. I punctured my rear tire during my CX race today. I was running a non tubeless Schwalbe RR on stan's rims. I should have topped off the sealant and should have had a spare wheel or bike in the pit to save my race but I didn't.

    The last time I put sealant in the tires was June, 2 oz per wheel. I pulled the tires off the rim after the race and they were bone dry.

    I switched the tires over to Vittoria TNT tires for my next race, Iron Cross. I was leery of running the schwalbes and today made me take a more cautious approach. The schwalbes would have probably been fine but I feel a little better running tubeless specific tires for such a long race.

    After this Iron Cross, I may look a picking up a new set of tires, possibly Kenda SCT tires, Stan's tires, or a new set of vittoria tires.

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    2blias 38 triggers in front at 31 psi and Mso 40s at 33. Got the stans ironcross to keep air after sanding the blemish. I could go less but run some heavy mountain trails with sharp large rock on fast downhill trails(probally wrong bike). Killed every tube I had on stock weinman front waiting on triggers and blemish fix on ironcross .

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    Maxxis is relatively new to the tubeless CX game with their updated tubeless-ready Mud Wrestler. Anyone using that tire yet? I'm going to be installing them on a set of Stan's Grail rims and curious how it's going for people. Thanks!

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    I raced the Hutchinson Piranha 2 34 width at 33/31psi on a very fast, firm track at Valmont yesterday, they were great, noticeably better than Tracers on similar Valmont course weeks ago. Even though the shoulder knobs are somewhat small on Hutch, they did a great job on the dusty hardpack. I had a couple drifts, but the release and catch was very smooth and predictable with no burp. These tires are tubeless on AC 2218 rims, and they fit VERY tightly- so tightly that I lost 45 kfg of spoke tension front and rear compared to unmounted. This was problematic for tensioning- I uptensioned the wheels with the tires mounted to make sure that NDS spokes are ok (113kgf DS/49kgf NDS).

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    I know there are a lot of us waiting on higher volume tubeless compatible cross tires, and WTB is now shipping the 35c Cross Boss, but I also like Kenda tires. I sent them an email since there are SCT options listed on their website in a few larger widths. This is the response I got:

    We do have several higher volume SCT casing tread options in the works. Currently the Kommando X Pro 700x33 (212456) is available in a SCT version. We were hoping to have all these ready for this cross season but it’s going to be closer to early spring when we have these into the marketplace. Hope your season is going well.

    I only have 1 or 2 races left for my cross season, so I am willing to wait for Spring to see what other options become available.

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    Quote Originally Posted by headsup View Post
    Maxxis is relatively new to the tubeless CX game with their updated tubeless-ready Mud Wrestler. Anyone using that tire yet? I'm going to be installing them on a set of Stan's Grail rims and curious how it's going for people. Thanks!
    I just set up a pair of these on Bonty TLR that came on the Boone. So far, I really like them - they seem fairly fast rolling (faster at least to the Vittoria XGs), supple feeling, and really grippy in turns in mainly dry/sandy/hardpack conditions. Hopefully, I'll try them in the soft soon as we're starting to get rain here in NorCal. They were easy to set up.

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    CX Tubeless setup thread

    Just picked up a set on my favourite CX tyres, Bontrager CX0 but this time they are in 33c and TLR, looking forward to trying them out when my new bike arrives.

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    I just put WTB Cross Boss tires on some Felt CX wheels (stock on a 2015 F65X) with 2 layers of gorilla tape. They aired up with a floor pump as if I were inflating a tube.

    VERY tight fit though, if I ever re-tape I'll try 1 layer of tape.

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    I swapped out Specialized Tracer front to a new Vittoria XL Pro TNT 33mm on a Shimano 6700 with one new layer of Stans tape and 1.3 oz of sealant. The whole swap took under 20 minutes. The tire does not fit that tightly really, but the carcass/bead is so stiff that I used a little lever action. Now that I think of it, I didn't even use soap. This was the easiest tireless mount I've done, it inflated with my floor pump and didn't ooze a drop of sealant. On the narrow 6700, it measures right at 33 mm. I'd like to try this on a wider rim.

    Within 1.5 hours I was in my warmup laps for a race at 27 psi, it was was fine. It is not a supple tire at all, but it is very stable and is very good at carving through soft mud and firmish mud chicanes, and it shed muck well. On long firmer straights it felt very slow, but I think it was worth it for the turny sections.

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    I switched out my Vittoria XG TNTs for Bontrager CX3 tlr tires. I liked the Vittoria's but wanted something with more grip for cornering which was where I felt the XGs lacked.

    The CX3's went on my stan's crest and iron cross rims with no problems. I heard the pop when I got to about 45 psi. They sat for a week until today when I used them in a race today.

    The course was mostly grass but the corners had that soft slippery mud where the XG's let me wanting more. I aired the CX3's to about 28 front and 30 rear. No burbing at all and I didn't bottom out on the rims. I may have been able to go a little lower in air pressure.

    They rolled well on pavement and on the straights but did what I wanted and gripped well in the corners. They gave me a more secure feeling when I went into a corner a little to fast.

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    I wish the bonty tires came in wider widths. Tread pattern looks great

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    Back to Hutch Piranha2 34s 28/26.5 on a dry dusty course with some powdery loose turns and a bunch of tricky off camber runs and switches in tricky dirt/grass. I think a Chicane woulda been great on this course, I wasn't sure the Piranha2s have sharp enough shoulders. I had a GREAT experience on the Hutches though- I think the key is how supple the casing is and how sticky that rubber is, it is remarkable imo. I was far enough back that I saw several people slide out and dump on the off-camber, but I had no problems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alias530 View Post
    I wish the bonty tires came in wider widths. Tread pattern looks great
    I would have been happier with a wider tire too but they have just as good if not better grip than my 35 mm tubed Racing Ralphs.

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    I know some folks liking the Piranha on the dry pack. I actually switched from Raven to Tracer for the hard pack and liked it. Very soft rubber felt good on pavement. As it got wetter I moved to IRC Cerac CX. I had to use a compressor on the NoTubes Grail and even then it would keep popping back off the bead (I usually inflate without valve core and sealant first then add sealant and re-inflate).

    Mounted Vittoria Cross XL Pro on Iron Cross this weekend with a floor pump. Really tight getting the on the rims by hand first though. I have not ridden them yet and fear their sidewall is stiff but looks like they would work in sloppy mud.

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    The xl pros are a weird tire. They feel slow on straight line dirt to me, but way up at like 40 psi, they are really fast and silent on Tarmac, all the side knobs are off the pavement and the rubber and casing have no squirm. Also, my 34 TNTs are 480g per not counting sealant. If it was 75g less I'd say it's a race tire, but that's pretty heavy to spin up. I like them for trail riding though. Tough and versatile.

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    Got some kenda kommando x pro 33c SCT tires to try on my sram roam 30 wheels for my cross bike and could not get them anywhere near to seating the bead. They were really tight to put on but so were my Xg TNT's on my iron cross and they seated nicely. Then tried the kendas on the iron cross and they seated on those with a compressor.

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    WTB Nano set up super easy with a Stan's CX rimstrip on my '14 Kona JTS. No issues after several rides.
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    CX Tubeless setup thread

    Spec trigger 38 2BLISS went on Hope XC rims with a floor pump. Running 35/40 psi worked well with good volume. No pings on the rim and much better than the Schwalbe cx comp. tires did well in sand but a little loose in the turns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Manning View Post
    WTB Nano set up super easy with a Stan's CX rimstrip on my '14 Kona JTS. No issues after several rides.
    I was running a Cross Boss front/rear for a while but wanted a little more volume so I went with a Nano 40c up front and love it for the extra volume but it won't hold air for more than a few days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alias530 View Post
    I was running a Cross Boss front/rear for a while but wanted a little more volume so I went with a Nano 40c up front and love it for the extra volume but it won't hold air for more than a few days.
    That's a bummer, the Nano I have isn't even a "tubeless ready" version.
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    And mine is! Ha!

    I even put 2 scoops of Stans in, which is what I put in my massive 29x2.5 Minion DHF on my mtb

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    Hi, hoping for help here, being a CX tubeless newbie. Been using the ghettostyle, with a cut up tube for bead on my Shimano R510s, with Stans in and using Ritchey Speedmax tires. I had succes first time, and even got to go for a nice ride, but next morning they where flat again. Happened twice. Is there a big difference in using tape as bead, or using the cut open tube? Any suggestions? Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tytteboevs View Post
    Hi, hoping for help here, being a CX tubeless newbie. Been using the ghettostyle, with a cut up tube for bead on my Shimano R510s, with Stans in and using Ritchey Speedmax tires. I had succes first time, and even got to go for a nice ride, but next morning they where flat again. Happened twice. Is there a big difference in using tape as bead, or using the cut open tube? Any suggestions? Thanks
    In my experience ritchey speedmax tires do NOT work well with sealant. I had them setup tubeless front/rear using stans sealant on a gravel bike. Both tires developed tread 'bubbles' that resulted in a flat after ~3 months of riding.

    I doubt tires will fix the problem you're having, however I'd recommend using another pair if you have the option. If you keep riding your current tires after awhile they should hold air. The sealant is likely still working to seal all the small holes in your tire/rim interface. Give them a few more rides and see if they start holding air for longer. If so, you should be good. Just keep an eye on the tread for bubbles.

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    Thanks for the answer. Since I am looking for new tires anyway, maybe you could give your opinion on which to chose:

    Hutchinson Bulldog
    Vittoria XL Pro TNT 33
    Kenda Kommanda X-Pro

    In your opinion, is there any advantages in using tape instead of a cut open tube?

    Thanks a lot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tytteboevs View Post
    Thanks for the answer. Since I am looking for new tires anyway, maybe you could give your opinion on which to chose:

    Hutchinson Bulldog
    Vittoria XL Pro TNT 33
    Kenda Kommanda X-Pro

    In your opinion, is there any advantages in using tape instead of a cut open tube?

    Thanks a lot.
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    I haven't personally ridden any of those tires. The hutchinson and vittorias seem to be lower volume. I'm unsure on the kenda, but would be more inclined to choose that over the other two options due to a perception of more volume.

    If I were you I'd look for the highest volume lower tread tubeless tire you can find. Some people have good luck with specialized, others do fine with the options you mentioned. Personally I've had good luck running clement tires tubeless, however all my cx tubeless setups are on stans rims so I can't guarantee others will have the same experience.

    I've always used tape, but generally only use rims designed for tubeless. I've moved to using 2 layers of stans yellow tape to build up the rim cavity a bit for CX tires/beads. This makes airing them up MUCH easier than one layer, which seems specific to CX tires.

    Hope that helps.

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    +1 on Clement and Mud 2's

    -1 on Sammy Slicks. Worked fine on gravel roads. First CX race that I jumped on bike, tire blew off rim

    I have heard good things about Specialized 2bliss CX tires

    Stans Alpha 340 rims

    maybe this will help you - there is also a part 1 & 2
    Going Tubeless for Cyclocross - Avoiding the Burp, Choosing the Best Tires, and a DIY System (Updated, Part III) - Cyclocross Magazine - Cyclocross News, Races, Bikes, Photos, Videos

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    My LBS just built me a set of Nextie carbon hooked 29er wheels and installed a pair of WTB Cross Boss with Stan's tape. They had a tough time with them...super tight. Haven't ridden them yet.


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    Quote Originally Posted by tiflow_21 View Post
    I haven't personally ridden any of those tires. The hutchinson and vittorias seem to be lower volume. I'm unsure on the kenda, but would be more inclined to choose that over the other two options due to a perception of more volume.

    If I were you I'd look for the highest volume lower tread tubeless tire you can find. Some people have good luck with specialized, others do fine with the options you mentioned. Personally I've had good luck running clement tires tubeless, however all my cx tubeless setups are on stans rims so I can't guarantee others will have the same experience.

    I've always used tape, but generally only use rims designed for tubeless. I've moved to using 2 layers of stans yellow tape to build up the rim cavity a bit for CX tires/beads. This makes airing them up MUCH easier than one layer, which seems specific to CX tires.

    Hope that helps.
    The Bulldogs on my bike are ancient (2007 or something), but they are pretty wide, almost measuring 36 by the casing. The new ones could be narrower, I guess.
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    Thanks again for all the good info and answers.

    I found these, Mud 2`s at wiggle, but seems very narrow: Wiggle | Michelin Cyclocross Mud 2 Folding CX Tyre | Cyclocross Tyres

    Any good places to shop CX tires (usually shops on chainreaction and wiggle).

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    Quote Originally Posted by scottz123 View Post
    +1 on Clement and Mud 2's

    -1 on Sammy Slicks. Worked fine on gravel roads. First CX race that I jumped on bike, tire blew off rim

    I have heard good things about Specialized 2bliss CX tires

    Stans Alpha 340 rims

    maybe this will help you - there is also a part 1 & 2
    Going Tubeless for Cyclocross - Avoiding the Burp, Choosing the Best Tires, and a DIY System (Updated, Part III) - Cyclocross Magazine - Cyclocross News, Races, Bikes, Photos, Videos
    Thats just some awesome reading, read it all. I might go for the Mud 2`s, some valves and some tape (still dont know if the ghetto style has worked for anyone, with the cut open tube as the bead and up the sides?).

    Also, as I understand it, its better with the wider rims, if possible?

    Best regards
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    Removed my ancient bulldogs last night and put on a set of 32C Vittoria XN (file tread, non-TNT) with Stans on 6700 rims that I've only used tubed before for one race.

    They are narrow. 29.5 from the same calipers that gave the bulldogs 35.5.

    Set up of the rear tire was very easy with the first shot of air from my modest compressor. The front tire was an hour-long battle using every trick I could think of. I eventually had to set one bead with a tube and temporarily use a stans valve with the core removed before replacing the ultegra valve and getting it on the fifth try.

    Overnight the easy-on rear tire lost about 15 PSI, the ugly-install front lost zero PSI.

    So yeah... tubeless installs of non-tubeless tires remains a bit of a dark art.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ghettocruiser View Post
    Removed my ancient bulldogs last night and put on a set of 32C Vittoria XN (file tread, non-TNT) with Stans on 6700 rims that I've only used tubed before for one race.

    They are narrow. 29.5 from the same calipers that gave the bulldogs 35.5.

    Set up of the rear tire was very easy with the first shot of air from my modest compressor. The front tire was an hour-long battle using every trick I could think of. I eventually had to set one bead with a tube and temporarily use a stans valve with the core removed before replacing the ultegra valve and getting it on the fifth try.

    Overnight the easy-on rear tire lost about 15 PSI, the ugly-install front lost zero PSI.

    So yeah... tubeless installs of non-tubeless tires remains a bit of a dark art.
    It seems that non-tubeless tires are only really usable on specific rims, and not always the rims you'd expect. For example, I had a bit of trouble with Stan's Arch EX rims and certain tires. Even with tubeless ready Hutchinsons they were a little finicky.

    On the flip side, I've had great luck w/ Pacenti CL25s and HED C2+ rims. The HED rims would be my choice for using tubeless-specific tires as the Pacenti rims set up almost too snug. Sure, they won't burp, but they're also very hard to get the bead to break loose when you want them to (taking them off, that is). For example, I had a pair of Hutchinson Secteur road tires mounted on 'em for road use, that were almost impossible to break the bead loose.

    For either of those rims, the trough is deep enough that once the bead is off all the way 'round, it's very easy to remove the tire from the rim.

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    Went my first full CX season with only tubular tires. No flats except that one drunken night at nationals. On the other hand my wife, who got my tubeless wheels and tires, had 4 flats each one costing her a podium spot. Tubeless cx is unreliable and inconsistent. Tried it for a half dozen years or so before committing to tubulars and never going back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 69erEverything View Post
    Went my first full CX season with only tubular tires. No flats except that one drunken night at nationals. On the other hand my wife, who got my tubeless wheels and tires, had 4 flats each one costing her a podium spot. Tubeless cx is unreliable and inconsistent. Tried it for a half dozen years or so before committing to tubulars and never going back.
    If we're comparing studies of limited sample size (IOW, personal anecdotes) I've run tubeless exclusively for 2 full seasons with no flats and no burps, but have lots of friends who flat tubulars all the time.

    For me, tubeless CX is very reliable, with the right tires/rims.

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    Went my first full CX season with only tubular tires. No flats except that one drunken night at nationals. On the other hand my wife, who got my tubeless wheels and tires, had 4 flats each one costing her a podium spot. Tubeless cx is unreliable and inconsistent. Tried it for a half dozen years or so before committing to tubulars and never going back.
    What kind of flats? Slices, burping?

    I thought taping it right was the hardest part with such narrow rims but beyond that it's been no different (i.e. 100% reliable) than my MTB setup.

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    What kind of flats? Slices, burping?

    I thought taping it right was the hardest part with such narrow rims but beyond that it's been no different (i.e. 100% reliable) than my MTB setup.
    Great point... if the flats weren't due to burping, then there's nothing unique about tubeless that led to the flat, and nothing special about tubulars that would've prevented the flats.

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    All flats related to burping. Tubeless cx can't handle super aggressive cornering like tubular can.

    New bike in our house has Stan's Grail wheels with clement PDX tires. Tire is flat already after just one trip on a Thule T2 rack. Here we go again...
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    Quote Originally Posted by 69erEverything View Post
    All flats related to burping. Tubeless cx can't handle super aggressive cornering like tubular can.

    New bike in our house has Stan's Grail wheels with clement PDX tires. Tire is flat already after just one trip on a Thule T2 rack. Here we go again...
    Stan's wheels don't use a true tubeless rim though. If I remember right it's designed to help convert non-tubeless tires to be run tubeless.

    Beyond that, it could be a pressure issue. I can practically drag knee while cornering with my CX bike at 30psi in the front and 40psi in the rear (Nano 40c front, Cross Boss 35c rear), I've jumped it, and hit rocks and holes in the trail (like a big ass gopher hole) so hard that my hands and taint instantly went numb (didn't see it coming, hit it full force 20+mph with full weight on the saddle). Never a burp or a washout. Oh, and I'm 6'6" 240lbs

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alias530 View Post
    Stan's wheels don't use a true tubeless rim though. If I remember right it's designed to help convert non-tubeless tires to be run tubeless.

    Beyond that, it could be a pressure issue. I can practically drag knee while cornering with my CX bike at 30psi in the front and 40psi in the rear (Nano 40c front, Cross Boss 35c rear), I've jumped it, and hit rocks and holes in the trail (like a big ass gopher hole) so hard that my hands and taint instantly went numb (didn't see it coming, hit it full force 20+mph with full weight on the saddle). Never a burp or a washout. Oh, and I'm 6'6" 240lbs
    My experiences dovetail with yours pretty closely. The first thing folks should do is not go by the gauge and shoot for an arbitrary low psi. With the right tire/rim combo, it's not hard to find the sweetspot where traction is maximized and burping is minimized/negated, and if that's 28psi or 35psi, so be it. FWIW, I did a thumb test comparing my tubeless tire to a friend's tubular and found that my tubeless was noticeably softer at 4 psi higher inflation. If I'd been bound by a dogmatic desire for absolute lowest psi, I might have had problems. I wasn't, so I didn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mudge View Post
    My experiences dovetail with yours pretty closely. The first thing folks should do is not go by the gauge and shoot for an arbitrary low psi. With the right tire/rim combo, it's not hard to find the sweetspot where traction is maximized and burping is minimized/negated, and if that's 28psi or 35psi, so be it. FWIW, I did a thumb test comparing my tubeless tire to a friend's tubular and found that my tubeless was noticeably softer at 4 psi higher inflation. If I'd been bound by a dogmatic desire for absolute lowest psi, I might have had problems. I wasn't, so I didn't.
    Yep. I had a pretty knowledgeable friend over the other day and asked him to thumb test my MTB's front tire. He said 30psi. I hooked up my digital gauge and it came back 15psi. I usually ride at 18psi but I hadn't ridden that bike in almost 2 weeks so it dropped a bit. Different gauges read differently.

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    The races that actually use my cross bike for (2 year tops) tend to favour higher pressure, 40PSI or more, so burping has not been a factor, I'm after puncture-resistance from the sealant.

    And my reference point is tubes, which IMO will pinch-flat well before a tubeless tire will burp.

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    CX Tubeless setup thread

    Stans Iron Cross with Clement PDX, 25-40 psi depending on the ride, no burping, no BS. Just phenomenal feel, and traction. Certainly you need to use the right stuff, but if you do, you can't go wrong. Switching to an LAS on the rear soon for fast hardback through summer, I will update if this changes anything.


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    WTB Nano TCS on Enve XC 29 rims. Haven't ridden them yet, but they have nice volume and set up tubeless pretty easily.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mnyquist View Post
    WTB Nano TCS on Enve XC 29 rims. Haven't ridden them yet, but they have nice volume and set up tubeless pretty easily.


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    WTB nano 40c TCS mounted on WTB i19 ChrisCross rims measure at exactly 40mm with 40 psi.

    Easiest tire to mount so far. No need to soap the bead or use CO2. Floor pump, inflate to 60 psi, pop pop pop, done.

    Heavy tire (524g) but super excited about it as a do-it-all training tire. Smooth rolling on the road and no abrupt transition when cornering.

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    Still in testing phase but so far better than expected

    Racing ralph, stans splumph, about 5 wraps of 19mm yellow tesa stansalike tape, and on-one reet'ard ("Right hard" said in a north eastern English accent....not what it may sound like....unfortunate name, but they came on the bike)

    Pumped up on track pump without too much drama.

    Rear only at the moment

    Couple of rides. today I started at 32 psi on my shwalbe digital guage. was dead comfy, slightly quirmy....but off road ever so comfy. a rim hits on roots and stones, I think I had a slight burp on one of these. had 27 psi in there after 15 miles when I got home.

    Will try a bit more pressure to see if the burps go, but hopefully not much more. I love the way they feel off road at the lower pressures compared to what I ran in tubes. a few more rides and iff its good I'll do the front.

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    Just picked up some cheap Surly Knards on friday. Mounted on Stans Alpha 400's using a tube to seat the bead first. Broke the bead on one side & pulled the tube out, stuck the valve & some Stans in & they went up with a track pump.
    Went for a blast on single track today & they work a whole lot better than skinny cx tyres.
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    CX Tubeless setup thread

    Challenge Gravel Grinder 38mm, 120tpi. Anyone had luck with these tubeless? I'm using light-bicycle China carbon rims with Stan's tape and this setup worked for me for a bit but now they burp fluid all the time at pressures that used to be fine for me. I know challenge doesn't condone these tires tubeless, but anyone else had luck with them?

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    Just picked up a set of WTB Nano 40c TCS tires to set up tubeless on the new cross bike with Light-bicycle china carbon bead hookless rims. Why does WTB say no compressor and no levers?
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    Levers can damage the bead such that it won't seal properly. I can only guess that compressor pressure might blow the bead off.

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    I have some WTB Cross Boss TCS tires on the way. These will be going on Alpha 400 rims. I will report back and post some photos once they mounted. Really looking forward to these tires.

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    I have DT Swiss X430 rims (originally came on a 2012 Salsa Vaya 2) that I would like to set up with some tubeless 35mm+ tires for gravel and light singletrack. from what I have read, I will need some sort of rubber rim strip on them. anyone try this yet? Stan's or Ghetto might work. I am thinking TCS Nanos or Cross Boss tires.

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    CX Tubeless setup thread-crossboss1.jpgCX Tubeless setup thread-crossboss2.jpgCX Tubeless setup thread-crossboss3.jpg

    Put the WTB Cross Boss tires on this weekend. Installed tubeless on Alpha 400 rims. It took a little effort to get the tires to fully mount with the telltale pop. I had to go up to 65psi before they made the sound. It may be that I have two layers of yellow tape on the wheels for road tire use and one may have been enough, and made it easier, for the cross tires to mount. Tires went on with just my hands, but where nice and tight, and inflated with a floor pump. Added 2oz of sealant to both tires and did a lap around the backyard loop. Need to get them out on a real ride before my first race on Saturday. Nice and plumb and loads of traction from the quick test spin. Have them about 25psi right now, but will probably go a little lower (I weigh 145) for race day depending on course conditions.

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    I am still playing with the tubeless setup on my 2015 Giant TCX SLR1. I am using the cross wheels Giant sends with the bike P-CX1 as of now. Wrapped them with 2 layers of tape and the used the DT Swiss rim strip that Giant included with their kit and the Schwalbe Super Swan tires.

    Had nothing but issues with the tires, harder the heck to get onto the beads. Had to take the valve core out so the compressor could push enough air to seat them. Then at times the DT Swiss rim strip would poke out under the bead, more prone if you didn't get the tire seated on the first try.

    Had them all setup and went to my first race last week, with the tires ate 35psi front/rear they did ok, until the last lap as I was trying to gain a place and keep another rider from taking the corner from me, burped the front but didn't lose it. Got back to the pit after the race and the rim strip was out under the front bead again.

    Reaplced the Schwalbe tires with Vittoria Cross XM Pro tires, lost a little bit of size (700cx35 to 700cx33) but the tires mounted right up tubeless without the rim strips. They have held air since that day with no issues. Going to try them out tonight at the race to dial in the pressure and see how they do.

    I really want to build a set of 24f/28r wheels with DT Swiss hubs in either the 350 or 240 series. Just need to find (open to suggestions) a decent but light carbon rim. Current wheels are 1755g so I would really like to get down in the 1450g range if possible.

    I called Stans about the Iron Cross wheels, with me being 185lbs dressed they said the top end one should be fine, just not sure about reliability with Stan's wheels since some people on other forums have been having issues with the hubs.
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    Anyone setup the Axis 2.0s that come on Specys tubeless? Figure tape or Stan's strips. My Crux came with the wire bead Triggers..probably should get the 2bliss ready versions....

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    Quote Originally Posted by TJay74 View Post
    I am still playing with the tubeless setup on my 2015 Giant TCX SLR1. I am using the cross wheels Giant sends with the bike P-CX1 as of now. Wrapped them with 2 layers of tape and the used the DT Swiss rim strip that Giant included with their kit and the Schwalbe Super Swan tires.

    Had nothing but issues with the tires, harder the heck to get onto the beads. Had to take the valve core out so the compressor could push enough air to seat them. Then at times the DT Swiss rim strip would poke out under the bead, more prone if you didn't get the tire seated on the first try.

    Had them all setup and went to my first race last week, with the tires ate 35psi front/rear they did ok, until the last lap as I was trying to gain a place and keep another rider from taking the corner from me, burped the front but didn't lose it. Got back to the pit after the race and the rim strip was out under the front bead again.

    Reaplced the Schwalbe tires with Vittoria Cross XM Pro tires, lost a little bit of size (700cx35 to 700cx33) but the tires mounted right up tubeless without the rim strips. They have held air since that day with no issues. Going to try them out tonight at the race to dial in the pressure and see how they do.

    I really want to build a set of 24f/28r wheels with DT Swiss hubs in either the 350 or 240 series. Just need to find (open to suggestions) a decent but light carbon rim. Current wheels are 1755g so I would really like to get down in the 1450g range if possible.

    I called Stans about the Iron Cross wheels, with me being 185lbs dressed they said the top end one should be fine, just not sure about reliability with Stan's wheels since some people on other forums have been having issues with the hubs.
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    I have 2014 Axis 2.0 on my Crux and they were not advetised at tubeless ready...so same question here from previous model. I assume Stans would do the job.

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    I actually found 2 sources online saying it will work just using a few layers of Stan's yellow tape and valve stems. One was in the Specy help site and this from someone at Specy and two was a cyclocross site with someone with a 2014. I'm trying it this weekend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TiGeo View Post
    I actually found 2 sources online saying it will work just using a few layers of Stan's yellow tape and valve stems. One was in the Specy help site and this from someone at Specy and two was a cyclocross site with someone with a 2014. I'm trying it this weekend.

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    I have mine set up with Gorilla Tape, 2bliss Terra/Trigger.
    They took a bit of work to seat, but have held up pretty well in training and trail rides. Because of the issues, and since I have to run pressures in the mid 30s, they're my pit/training wheels.
    Racing on WTB i19s, though. While I had a burp from an unfortunate bad remount combined with trying too low pressure (24 front, 25.5 rear!) the WTBs have been great. Even after burping, I was able to finish the race with 12 psi in the rear without losing any more pressure! Next race I ran appropriate pressure (28f, 30r) and had a solid race.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sslos View Post
    I have mine set up with Gorilla Tape, 2bliss Terra/Trigger.
    They took a bit of work to seat, but have held up pretty well in training and trail rides. Because of the issues, and since I have to run pressures in the mid 30s, they're my pit/training wheels.
    Racing on WTB i19s, though. While I had a burp from an unfortunate bad remount combined with trying too low pressure (24 front, 25.5 rear!) the WTBs have been great. Even after burping, I was able to finish the race with 12 psi in the rear without losing any more pressure! Next race I ran appropriate pressure (28f, 30r) and had a solid race.

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    Good to know. I have Spec Tracer Pros, a couple sets of Clements and a set of WTB Cross Boss' on order. I race for the first time in 2-weeks. I'll run tubes for that. My Tracer's roll well for me at 40-45 psi (I weight 210#)...I think they'll run OK at 35'ish with tubes as well.

    Is it a pain to swap tires once set up tubeless?

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    Switching tires with tubes is certainly easier and less messy but once you get used to it it's not a big deal. I am still on the fence after hearing SO many issues on the CX bikes with tubeless...seems like folks are pushing the limits of low psi and that is the likely result. I rode some gnarly singletrack this past weekend with tubes and no flats...may just stick with what works..

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    Quote Originally Posted by TiGeo View Post
    Switching tires with tubes is certainly easier and less messy but once you get used to it it's not a big deal. I am still on ghe fence after hearing SO many issues on the CX bikes with tubeless...seems like folks are pushing the limits of low psi and that is the likely result. I rode some gnarly singletrack this past weekend with tubes and no flats...may just stick with what works..

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    Are you using latex tubes?

    I am amazed in the difference in ride quality on my road bike, once I switched to Vittoria Latex Road Inner Tubes. It rides like i am running 10psi less with same pressure as rubber tubes. Thinner too, so less prone to pinch flats

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    I have some maxxis mud wrester TR set up on Stans. I followed the instructions by mounting the tires up with no levers and then using a floor pump. They set up nicely and I rode 20 miles of gravel with about 1 mile of tame single track with about 27f/31r. they were very nice and no squirm (likely due to the firmer sidewalls).

    Question. If you aren't supposed to use levers on these tires how are you supposed to remove them from the rim? If you use a lever are you going to destroy the carbon bead?

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    Do you always use a lever to take off tires? I "almost" never do.


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    I've seen conflicting accounts of whether WTB Nano 40c TCS tires and Stans Valor rims are compatible with each other, having something to do with the WTB bead and Stans hookless inner rim not getting along. Anyone have direct experience? Thanks!

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    2015 Crux. Axis 2.0 wheels. Specy Trigger Sport 33c (wire bead). Set up tubeless with 2 passes of Stan's yellow tape, 44mm valve stems, and a scoop of sealant. Dropped 0.4 pounds. Holding air fine. Will ride this weekend, don't anticpate any issues. The tires weren't as tight as I would have liked- could have used more tape or used weather stripping in the center channel to build it up a bit more but I think it will work. I am not going be running pressures lower than 30 I reckon.
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    I've got Axis 2.0s set up with two layers of tape and Clement PDX. Burped in a race at 34-psi on the rear, but have been running 36-psi in several others successfully. Really hard combination to setup and leaks quite a bit overnight - added 2oz additional to each after a month or so. Honestly wouldn't recommend this combo based on difficulty to setup, amount of initial leakage, and psi required to not burp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kmancrx View Post
    I have some maxxis mud wrester TR set up on Stans. I followed the instructions by mounting the tires up with no levers and then using a floor pump. They set up nicely and I rode 20 miles of gravel with about 1 mile of tame single track with about 27f/31r. they were very nice and no squirm (likely due to the firmer sidewalls).

    Question. If you aren't supposed to use levers on these tires how are you supposed to remove them from the rim? If you use a lever are you going to destroy the carbon bead?
    Quote Originally Posted by kmancrx View Post
    I have some maxxis mud wrester TR set up on Stans. I followed the instructions by mounting the tires up with no levers and then using a floor pump. They set up nicely and I rode 20 miles of gravel with about 1 mile of tame single track with about 27f/31r. they were very nice and no squirm (likely due to the firmer sidewalls).

    I don't think they have a carbon bead. That's just road tires at high psi isn't it? With all the air out, you push one bead entirely into the rim well. You should then be able to get one bead off then the second is even easier.

    I just bought a 2015 Norco Threshold on clear out. $1600 off. It came with Stan's Iron Cross wheels. A little flex you but they set up tubeless easy. I do have a Bontrager Flash Drive pump though. Clement PDX 33 width tires. But on those rims the width is 39. So I suppose they would be illegal in any sanctioned event. I don't intend to race but has anyone had issues with this?

    I weigh about 145 and I can get away with mid 30's psi with the occasional bottom out on roots or sharp edged rocks.

    Question. If you aren't supposed to use levers on these tires how are you supposed to remove them from the rim? If you use a lever are you going to destroy the carbon bead?
    Quote Originally Posted by kmancrx View Post
    I have some maxxis mud wrester TR set up on Stans. I followed the instructions by mounting the tires up with no levers and then using a floor pump. They set up nicely and I rode 20 miles of gravel with about 1 mile of tame single track with about 27f/31r. they were very nice and no squirm (likely due to the firmer sidewalls).

    I don't think they have a carbon bead. That's just road tires at high psi isn't it? With all the air out, you push one bead entirely into the rim well. You should then be able to get one bead off then the second is even easier.

    I just bought a 2015 Norco Threshold on clear out. $1600 off. It came with Stan's Iron Cross wheels. A little flex you but they set up tubeless easy. I do have a Bontrager Flash Drive pump though. Clement PDX 33 width tires. But on those rims the width is 39. So I suppose they would be illegal in any sanctioned event. I don't intend to race but has anyone had issues with this?

    I weigh about 145 and I can get away with mid 30's psi with the occasional bottom out on roots or sharp edged rocks.

    Question. If you aren't supposed to use levers on these tires how are you supposed to remove them from the rim? If you use a lever are you going to destroy the carbon bead?
    I think only road tubeless has a carbon bead. For the high pressures. With all the air out you pop one bead off the bead seat into the rim well all the way around. Should be easy to pull one tire bead up and over the rim edge.

    I just bought a Norco Threashold, 2015, on clearance. $1600 off. It came with Stan's Iron Cross wheels and Clement PDX 33 tires. Dead easy to set up tubeless with my fancy Bontrager pump. But they measure 39 on those rims which is great for me but what if you wanted to race in a sanctioned event? 33 is the limit. Could one get disqualified?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wines of WA View Post
    I've seen conflicting accounts of whether WTB Nano 40c TCS tires and Stans Valor rims are compatible with each other, having something to do with the WTB bead and Stans hookless inner rim not getting along. Anyone have direct experience? Thanks!
    TCS beads and Stan's 29er rims do not work well together. Way to tight. They do work on Alpah rims though. You can run the non-TCS Nano's on the Valors though. My brother has some Nano Race on Grails for gravel riding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by offrhodes42 View Post
    TCS beads and Stan's 29er rims do not work well together. Way to tight. They do work on Alpah rims though. You can run the non-TCS Nano's on the Valors though. My brother has some Nano Race on Grails for gravel riding.
    I set up Nano Race (non-TCS) on Grails yesterday. Setup was easy. Took the tires for a spin and they seemed fine. Checked them this morning and they're holding air fine.

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    ^^^Do you think the burping more related to the sidewall strength of the tires vs. the rim itself?
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    I've been running a tubeless setup on my ZTR Crest 29er wheelset for the past 2 seasons with great success.

    Last year I ran some Michelin Mud2 Cross tires setup tubeless on my old Felt CX bike. I did 18 races and they never burped once. I did get a flat during one of the races when I missed my attempt to jump a cement curb during the race and I hit my rear wheel quite hard. It broke the bead and the tire immediately went flat.

    This year for the early part of the CX race season while things were quite a bit dryer, I ran some Vittoria XG Pro TNT around 27-28psi in 8 races without any issues but I didn't find that the XG worked really well once things got wetter/muddier. So for the past 7 races, I've been running some Maxxis Mud Wrestlers TR EXO tires on my Crest wheels. I set them up and brought the air pressure down to 25psi and they haven't lost air and they have performed incredibly in all sorts of conditions. I think the Mud Wrestler is going to be my go to tire for the foreseeable future. When I ordered the Mud Wrestlers, I was thinking that they would hold me over until the Clement PDX tubeless was released next year, but I've been so impressed with the Mud Wrestler that I think I'm going to stick with them.

    We had our provincial championship this past weekend in some extremely muddy conditions and the Mud Wrestlers propelled me to a third place finish. So a big thumbs up to the Mud Wrestlers.

    My old Felt setup Tubeless with Crest 29 wheels and Michelin Mud2
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    Maxxis Mud Wrestlers TR EXO setup tubeless on Crest 29 wheels
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    Running 25psi front and back with the Mud Wrestlers
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    First place finisher's muddy bike after this past weekends Provincial Championships.
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    So far so good on my tubeless conversion. Crux w/DT Axis 2.0s that I taped with Stan's yellow tape (2 passes) - probably could use 3 passes to get the tires on there tighter. Specy Trigger Sports (wire beads!). Have ridden ~50 miles now on road, gravel, and single track. ~30psi off-road, and mid-30s on-road...I bet I can get a little lower for gravel cruising. I was VERY cautious at first...kept thinking my tire would just fly off in a corner! No such thing has happened. I can see however that during a race with off-camber or hard turns under power that you could peel one off. On a DH portion of our local single-track flow trail, I hit a corner hard pumping and folded the rear a bit which I have also done on my mtb with TLR rims/tires due to too little pressure. On gravel it is great and more comfy at slight lower pressures than I was running with tubes. I had a handful of flats on the tubes in the ~500 miles I was on them. Honestly, its probably not necessary on the cross bike to have tubeless for me, but I figured why not. I think I will pick up some wider Triggers (the 38s) soon and they are TLR. I think the issue with CX bikes and tubeless is that there is simply not enough meat on the sidewall and physically a smaller sidewall to start with so its a more effective lever to prying itself off the rim in turns etc. vs. a mtb.
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    Great info TiGeo...I have a pre-2Bliss ready Crux with Axis 2.0s and wondered how'd they set up if I ever decide to make the jump. I like them as clinchers for now and run them around 35-40 psi (I weigh 215#) with CrossBoss 35c tires. I get away with lower pressure on my 38c Triggers and 40c MSOs.

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    ^^^at 215.....be carefull. I weigh 160.

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    Yup...that's why I am still rolling on clinchers. Due to weight I tend to run higher pressure as well since the tires spread out more at higher pressure for me.

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    Wouldn't go back now. Gotten my pressure down a little more for my gravel route and slamming into some hidden roots etc. due to leaves...no pinches has been nice.

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    I built up a set of wheels this year around American Classic RD2218 rims and they've made a great tubeless CX setup w/ just a single layer of Stan's tape. I've only used tubless-ready tires, but I've been able to run as low as 30psi front and 32psi rear on Cross Boss and Mud Wrestler tires w/o any issues (I weigh 175lbs.)

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    Hi!

    This question may been asked already, but I did not find a quick answer:

    What rim tape would be recommended for Hope Tech XC rims (inner width 19,5 mm)?

    (Yesterday I tried with Stan's 21 mm tape and Panaracer Cinder X: initially the tire sealed well, but next morning it was empty, and I could not make it hold air anymore (although there was enough sealant). Of course the reason for leaking is probably other than tape such as non-tubeless tyre or user error but annyway....)

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    Cinder X works tubeless just fine, Kyttyra, I used it before (on Ailerons)

    Likely reasons are microscopic holes in the tire and the tape peeling off
    If the tire can hold air for 15 minutes, take it to the bathtub, submerge a small section of the wheel at a time for a couple seconds and watch for bubbles
    Once a hole is found, help the sealant plug it by holding the wheel so that the sealant is covering that part of the tire completely. I had those pesky holes in a Kenda SCT tire - pain in the ass, but they got sealed in the end

    If it's not the tire, then it's the tape and that might be solved by merely replacing the tape (doesn't hurt to clean/dry the rim before taping and leaving it inflated with a tube for a day to help the tape stick)

    Wider tape might help by virtue of covering the bead seat completely and theoretically improving the seal

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    Successfully set up WTB Cross Boss TCS tires on Pacenti SL25 rims and they seem to work great so far. Used Stans valves, tape and sealant. The Bontrager Flash Charger pump is awesome for setting up tubeless. By the way, this was my first attempt at setting up tubeless on any bike in my life, and it came together smoothly first try.

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    You're prolly right, your problem prolly isn't your tape. But, since you asked-it's simple: Gorilla tape.

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    Building my first CX bike, and I've got some wheels that are set up for tubeless. They are HiFi Mixtapes and I'm throwing Gravel Grinders on there.

    I've installed tires tubeless before. Is it pretty easy? I don't have a air compressor, is that going to be beneficial?

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    Thinking of a tubeless setup with Axis 2.0 wheels but with Fatty Stripper strips...the rubbery ones. It may provide a tighter bead interface over Stan's tape, though I am not sure. I'm using this method on the Fatbike and think it should work well on the Axis wheels as well...maybe even the road wheels.

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    ^^^yep...the Stan's strips etc. should allow a tighter fitting tire and subsequently an easier time airing them up. Mine work fine with two rounds of yellow tape and an air compressor.

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    i've used an old oem wtb sx17 29er rim, 1 layer of gorilla tape, stand valve and sealant with kenda tcs happy medium pro 32c and it held up well. of course, a real tubeless rim will be better.




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    Last week mounted WTB Nano Race 40's on a set of C29ssmax's that I had been saving.

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    Posted here before but figured I'd get an update going. Been running 700x40 and 700x35 non tubeless ready Kendas on my Bontrager Rhythm Comp wheels for about 2200 miles with zero issues aside from my SB8 bubbling due to the sealant (my fault). Rims were a bit wide which squared off the profile on the 35 quite a bit.

    Unfortunately rider error killed off my rear wheel so I purchased a wheelset with the WTB Stryker i19 rims (from what I can tell they are the same as the newer Frequency i19 but with eyelets instead of the 4d spoke holes). As expected my Kenda mounted easily and it has more of a round profile now with a skinnier rim. No rides on it yet but I'm not expecting any issues.
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    Axis 4.0s (2016 model) w/Specy Trigger Pro 38s. Added one layer of Stan's yellow tape over top the OE rim strip and added valve stems. Set up tubeless with zero drama. Edit. Drama. The tape didn't work out as well as I had hoped and I scraped the OEM strip + Stan's tape and just went with a single layer of Gorilla...MUCH better seal. Can inflate with a floor pump.
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    Mounted a pair of 40 c nanos on Stan's iron cross with a single layer of Stan's tape. Had to fight the tire to get it on. No tools used though other than a rag for grip to get the last bit of bead on. Aired up like a champ of course. Not as grippy as the Clement PDX nor as light. But the Clement tires continually weaved sealant out the sidewalls and Clement do not recommend their tires for tubeless. They say sealant can eat away the casing. I figured a more reliable tire was in order. Those WTB tires though sure we're tight. As tight as road tubeless. I think that's good though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by someoldfart View Post
    Mounted a pair of 40 c nanos on Stan's iron cross with a single layer of Stan's tape. Had to fight the tire to get it on. No tools used though other than a rag for grip to get the last bit of bead on. Aired up like a champ of course. Not as grippy as the Clement PDX nor as light. But the Clement tires continually weaved sealant out the sidewalls and Clement do not recommend their tires for tubeless. They say sealant can eat away the casing. I figured a more reliable tire was in order. Those WTB tires though sure we're tight. As tight as road tubeless. I think that's good though.
    Did you use the TCS version or the Race version?

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    TCS version. I should have mentioned that.

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