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    Managed to blow the Vittoria off the rim yesterday (stans 400). I was at a hair over 80 psi (by my gauge, which may not be the most accurate). So will be keeping in the 70's in the future. This one was interesting because I was going straight - much different experience than the conti which basically tore off the rim coming around a tight corner. It was *very* loud too, people came running out of their houses thinking I'd been shot. I filled up in the morning, so I suspect that the tires got good and hot as the ride went on, causing it to eventually blow off.

    Probably could have re-seat the bead roadside but went with a tube in the interest of getting home (was 50 miles or so into a 65 mile route, and almost as far from home as it took me). It did not appear to have sustained any damage.

    The good news is, getting it set up tubeless again will give me an excuse to remove the tape so I can fish out the nipple that's been rattling around in my rim driving me crazy
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlexCuse View Post
    Managed to blow the Vittoria off the rim yesterday (stans 400). I was at a hair over 80 psi (by my gauge, which may not be the most accurate). So will be keeping in the 70's in the future.
    XG Pro TNT (700x32) holds up fine for me (w/ Stan's alpha 400) at 65 PSI.... with 30+ mph cornering on descents (which is scary)

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    Re: CX Tubeless setup thread

    Yep 65-70 should be great. High speed cornering may be hindered but worth it if the tire stays on
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlexCuse View Post
    Yep 65-70 should be great. High speed cornering may be hindered but worth it if the tire stays on
    the knobs makes it scary compared to a road tire

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    I'm curious to hear from anyone with experience converting Hed Ardennes rims to tubeless. I have a 2012 CL version of the wheelset and ran them in cross last year with tubes. I was hoping to convert them to tubeless using stan's tape and sealant and running either Specialized Captains 2bliss or Michelin Mud 2's. I'd like to hear from anyone with experience using these rims and/or tires tubeless. Thanks

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    Anyone had an issue with folding racing ralphs and the bead tearing off at 60psi. I got the tyre replaced but it was a long walk home. Now running the the replacement tyre and the other racing ralph with no issues.

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    Re: CX Tubeless setup thread

    Seems low for a bead failure, hopefully a freak thing. What size tire?
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    Anyone tried that Specialized Captain CX 2BR yet? Thoughts?

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    Took these off to fit new rotors and thought I would post them up here as ive been following this thread.

    Lightbicycle XC carbon rims (21mm internal dia), hope hubs and DT revo spokes. 1560g wheelset. Set up tubeless with 3M 8898 strapping tape, stans and enve tubeless valves... I will be changing these out for regular tubeless valves when I need to refresh the stans as they were too long, hence the blue alu spacer.





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    Anyone run a specialized carbon Roval 29er wheel with a cross tire yet? I'm thinking of pulling it off my mountain bike and setting it up with a Terra Pro 33. It has a 45psi max. I'm a little worried about damaging the carbon sidewall if I do hit rocks or roots too hard.
    Will no bead hook matter?
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    Quote Originally Posted by davidcarson48 View Post
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    Anyone tried that Specialized Captain CX 2BR yet? Thoughts?
    Wondering the same. One of our customers runs them and swears by them. Specialized is out of stock until December, so I'll have to wait to try them myself...

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    I've been running the Captain CX 2BR on my front wheel (Hed Ardennes) set-up tubeless with 2 strips of Stan's tape. I've raced it at 35 psi on a really rough course with lots of roots with no issues. I weigh 175 pounds. It really grips well.

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    Re: CX Tubeless setup thread

    I rode those rims on a rented road bike and couldn't stop thinking about how much cross tire they could put on the ground if set up tubeless. Glad to hear they work well. How was the setup? Guessing not too tough if you needed the strips
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    Quote Originally Posted by ozzybmx View Post
    Took these off to fit new rotors and thought I would post them up here as ive been following this thread.

    Lightbicycle XC carbon rims (21mm internal dia), hope hubs and DT revo spokes. 1560g wheelset. Set up tubeless with 3M 8898 strapping tape, stans and enve tubeless valves... I will be changing these out for regular tubeless valves when I need to refresh the stans as they were too long, hence the blue alu spacer.





    You are running the Schwable RR in tubeless, and which size? I am wondering as I have worn out my Stan's Raven 700X35 and looking for something with a bit more grip.

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    Why are you guys running such high pressures in cross tires? Kevlar bead tires whether they are tubeless ready or not are not safe at higher pressures. Road tubeless use a carbon bead that does not stretch and therefore stays on. I only weigh 142 so I can run lower psi and 40 is max for me but that's for commuting. Off road I'll drop to low 30's. There is no advantage to rock hard tires. As a gauge you want to have a little bulge when your on the bike. And not bottom out too often on rocky or roots trails.

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    Today was my first ride tubeless. I am running Stan's 355 rim on the front wheel and a Stan's Iron Cross on the rear. The front wheel came from my mountain bike and was still in good shape but the rear needed a new rim and I had it rebuilt with the Iron Cross.

    I ordered a set of Vittoria XG Pro TNT tires when I got the rear wheel rebuilt. They were a pain to get on because of the tight beads and reminded me why I hate TNT tires. They aired up easily with the floor pump and I set them at 32psi front and 35 psi rear, fwi I weigh 165. Rode some smooth singletrack trail, road, gravel, and grass and things worked well. The ride was nice and when I rode over branches that were laying on the roads I barely felt them. I also tested the cornering ability out on grass and they seemed to do well. I may drop the air pressure a bit for racing especially if it is a smooth course.

    I also have a set of wheels built with Velocity A23. I tried to set them up tubeless with Schwalbe Racing Ralphs Evolution. I could not get the tires to seat with a floor pump. I took them to the shop and the got them to seat with the compressor but would go flat over night. They were extremely loose on the rims and I didn't trust them tubeless so switched back to tubes. I even tried them on the Stan's 355 rim and no luck getting it to seat. I don't trust a tire if I can't get it to seat with a floor pump or at worst going to a nearby gas station.

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    Lots of my tires I could not get setup with out a compressor and they have been the most reliable. However that it MTB sizes 1.8 or larger.

    I seen the Vittoria XG Pro TNT also and was considering them and wondering if they offer more grip than the Stan's Raven 35mm?

    I am pretty much bald on my Raven's now so really need something to fit the frame.

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    update -- ran Clement PDX on A23s with 2 layers gorilla tape and a 24" split tube. 0 problems with burps. Ran 40# in front and 50# in the back, obviously I would like to run a little lower in the back. 40# in the front was right at the limit for me when it came to squirm on this course. We had a fast paved section followed by a sharp paved corner that the front tire REALLY wanted to roll over on. I thought I burped on it but when I checked pressure when I got done, it was the same. Will definitely experiment with lower pressures in the back, I did not like the way the back tire seated so I ran a higher pressure as I did not have time to experiment. The pressures may seem high but I am 6' 6" and 240# so they are not unusual for me. The lowest I would run tubed is 45# as pinch flats become an issue for me there. This was a good test as there were 2 grassy off camber sections one that was basically switchbacks down the face of a hill.
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    I set up my carbon roval control mtb wheels tubeless with the terra pro tires my bike came with for the race this weekend. I ran them with 38 psi front and back, it was a really fast/hard course with a high speed heavily rooted section. I burped the rear tire on the second lap but it held for the rest of the race (40 min). When I threw the pressure gauge on it afterwards it was sitting around 30psi. I thinks it's good and glued now!!

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    Were you using the tubeless ready version of the terra pro? Specialized Bicycle Components

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stonerider View Post
    Were you using the tubeless ready version of the terra pro? Specialized Bicycle Components
    Yes there the "2bliss" ready version. They work great in mud and loose sidehills, but don't role the best on hard-pact. Go figure

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    Quote Originally Posted by (807) Recordings View Post
    You are running the Schwable RR in tubeless, and which size? I am wondering as I have worn out my Stan's Raven 700X35 and looking for something with a bit more grip.
    Sorry, only seen your post. They are 33's, currently running Clement Las as tubeless.... nothing wrong with the ralphs, just wanted to try something with a flatter center profile.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ozzybmx View Post
    Sorry, only seen your post. They are 33's, currently running Clement Las as tubeless.... nothing wrong with the ralphs, just wanted to try something with a flatter center profile.

    The Raven's might be a bit flatter, but also a bit less grip (rolls faster). Mine are 35mmX700. I may have to check the RR to run on my Bad Boy as there is not much space left, and I don't feel like going down to a 26er wheel.

    FWIW I have not burped my setup at all and I am always doing MTB on it. Usually in the 40psi range, but even less down to about 26psi. Lower psi though and tire roll comes in, and lots of rim bashing.

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    AKRC78, I guess you burped the rear on the rooty section of the course? How much do you weigh. I've been running a Vittoria TNT size 32 set up tubeless on my rear wheel at 40-41 psi without any problems while riding some rooty single track. I weigh 175 pounds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stonerider View Post
    AKRC78, I guess you burped the rear on the rooty section of the course? How much do you weigh. I've been running a Vittoria TNT size 32 set up tubeless on my rear wheel at 40-41 psi without any problems while riding some rooty single track. I weigh 175 pounds.
    Yeah, I hit a root pretty hard and felt it burp. But after that I went through the same section 7 more times with no problems. I set them up the night before with no riding on them prior to the race and I think they just needed to seat proper. I weight 170. They ran fine at 31psi just a little soft for the rear tire.

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    Anyone tried setting up narrow rims tubeless? I've got a set of last year's Oval 327 CX wheels and the rims are 17mm wide. From what I've heard, the issue is that the narrow rims demand a higher pressure, but the fit on a non-tubeless rim isn't tight enough to ensure the bead won't blow out. Anyway, anyone tried this?
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    They may work they may not. IMHO the most successful method is split tube. You may be better off just using latex tubes(admittedly I have never used them)

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    Just set up some velocity A23's with Stan's yellow tape and rim strips with Clement tires. Seated up no problem, but took time for beads to seal with the help of sealant. I did not hear the beads snap into place. Usually heard that with my mtb wheels.

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    Just out of curiosity, which Clement tires? I was thinking of trying either their LAX or X'Plor.

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    Have X'Plor USH on 2 bikes, seated up well, with NoTubes took ages to seal, (Alpha and Mavic) in the end resorted to NoZisch to make the seal.

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    I have PDx I the front and mxp in the rear. Still holding air after 18 hours.

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    Thought I would pass on my experience. I have had great success using Bontrager TLR rim strips mounted in Volocity A23's with numerous tires, both wire bead and folding. The strips fit perfectly and provide a generous "shelf" for the tire to seat on and the bead locks firmly into the strip. I have never had a burp or bead pop off with pressures between 25 to 40 psi(I'm 185). The TLR strips are much more durable than any tape. I'm currently building a set of HED Belgium's that will use the same system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamesb39 View Post
    Thought I would pass on my experience. I have had great success using Bontrager TLR rim strips mounted in Volocity A23's with numerous tires, both wire bead and folding. The strips fit perfectly and provide a generous "shelf" for the tire to seat on and the bead locks firmly into the strip. I have never had a burp or bead pop off with pressures between 25 to 40 psi(I'm 185). The TLR strips are much more durable than any tape. I'm currently building a set of HED Belgium's that will use the same system.
    wow sounds like a perfect solution. Are your A23s 1st generation(no ledge) or 2nd generation(have a tubeless "ledge")

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    Quote Originally Posted by clydeone View Post
    wow sounds like a perfect solution. Are your A23s 1st generation(no ledge) or 2nd generation(have a tubeless "ledge")
    I have used both. My current setup is with the 2 generation.

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    Anybody had their tires setup to higher than 60psi? I want to ride on the road to the local trails so I ride high 60's with my tires to get to the trail.

    EDIT: I do lower my pressure when I get to the trails.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jemlinus View Post
    Anybody had their tires setup to higher than 60psi? I want to ride on the road to the local trails so I ride high 60's with my tires to get to the trail.

    EDIT: I do lower my pressure when I get to the trails.
    One of my coworkers had a Specialized Terr Pro 2Bliss blow off of his Alpha 400 at 75 psi. Straight line, on smooth asphalt.
    I gave him a hard time for running such high pressures. I just don't get it. He's at 65 now with good results.
    I don't think over 60 psi really helps much with rolling resistance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jemlinus View Post
    Anybody had their tires setup to higher than 60psi? I want to ride on the road to the local trails so I ride high 60's with my tires to get to the trail.

    EDIT: I do lower my pressure when I get to the trails.
    What tires are you running? and on what rims? Last year I ran 700 x 35 panaracer Tservs at 45 - 55 psi tubeless doing fast group rides and every day commuting and I was about 230 lbs. They were mounted on A23s. I cannot see you needing to go higher then that unless your rims are narrower or your tires are substantially narrower or your are heavier then me.

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    I have Gigantex carbon rims with 18.5mm internal(24.5 external) width. I've been running Mud2, Jet, and Vittoria XG tires in various combination with tubes. Also, I'm running 60psi front 70psi rear on the road, down to 30F 35R on the trails.

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    Anyone try the Rocket Ron's going tubeless ?
    From my understanding neither the Rocket Ron or Racing Ralph are actually TLR?
    We are debating these at my bike shop as my next tires on crest 29er rims. I can't get much larger than a 35/1.3 on this Bad Boy I have and from what we could tell only TLR is in 2.1 or larger?

    Hutchinson was also an option but apparently they do not like the Crest Rims.

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    I mounted some Hutcinson Toro's on I9 Ultralight CX wheels yesterday using a basic floor pump. Super easy.

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    My Giant CX bike came with tubeless ready rims (made by DT Swiss for Giant) and tubeless ready tires (Shwalbe for giant, 35mm).

    They are great. No issues so far with 4 races this year and lots of practices in thorn infested areas. Thorns no problem as long as the Stans is topped off.

    Too bad the whole setup is all proprietary to Giant. I think it's worth considering a Giant bike just to have this setup.
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    As an update, I've run both MXP and PDX setup tubeless on a stans crest (front) and stans 355 (rear) with good luck. Part of this may be due to the wide rims? I started out the season with MXP front/rear but have changed to PDX front (for more bite), MXP rear. I'm ~180 pounds and run 36-38psi front, 40-42psi rear, at these pressures I've avoided burp issues and could probably go slightly lower.

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    Changed my tubeless setup last week. Was running Vittoria XG pro TNT on stan's rims(iron cross rear and 355 front). I had no problems using them for the Iron Cross race and doing two traditional CX race. I just didn't like the feel/performance of the Vittoria's.

    I decided to try the Schwalbe Racing Ralphs again. I ordered a roll of 8988 tape and went to town. I used 5 layers of tape on both rims and put the RR on the rims. The fit was tighter than before and I was able to use a floor pump to inflate and get them to seat. Both tires snapped on with a reassuring pop.

    They lost most air sitting during the week but held air for the first ride that I did on them. The next day I had a race and ran them at 30 psi front and 34 rear. I think I was a little soft in the front and may have folded over the front tire in a corner which caused me to crash. The great thing was that there were no burps during the race and since then the tires have not lost any air.

    I'm going to increase the front pressure up to 32 and leave the rear as is.

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    Would a Flow EX be too wide for a Panaracer Cinder X 35?

    I would use Crests, but my wife wants to ride in the next race...

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    I have been using Stans Crest rims with yellow tape and Vittoria XG TNT tires this year with great success. Ran pressures sub 20 psi in a muddy race a few weeks ago.

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    So far +1 on alpha rims w/ mud 2's (practice plus 1 race - a W). I had to mount up one bead first with tube though. 28f 30r 150lb rider.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poncharelli View Post
    My Giant CX bike came with tubeless ready rims (made by DT Swiss for Giant) and tubeless ready tires (Shwalbe for giant, 35mm).

    They are great. No issues so far with 4 races this year and lots of practices in thorn infested areas. Thorns no problem as long as the Stans is topped off.

    Too bad the whole setup is all proprietary to Giant. I think it's worth considering a Giant bike just to have this setup.
    you should be able to order just the wheelset through a giant dealer. my teammate had to buy a new one after he ran over his front wheel.

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    I am trying to run some tubeless singlespeed wheels. Having a hard time finding a good pair to work with though. anyone have any experience with ss tubeless setups?
    also I am interested in doing it as reasonably as possible. it seems the beginning posts are from a few years ago. How has tubeless improved over the years?

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    The rim/tire combination is important. My post is above.

    What rim/tire do you have or plan on using?

    This article will help you.
    Going Tubeless for Cyclocross – Avoiding the Burp, Choosing the Best Tires, and a DIY System (Updated, Part III) | Cyclocross Magazine – Cyclocross News, Races, Bikes, Photos, Videos

    There are plenty of recent recommendations on this post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by (807) Recordings View Post
    Anyone try the Rocket Ron's going tubeless ?
    From my understanding neither the Rocket Ron or Racing Ralph are actually TLR?
    We are debating these at my bike shop as my next tires on crest 29er rims. I can't get much larger than a 35/1.3 on this Bad Boy I have and from what we could tell only TLR is in 2.1 or larger?

    Hutchinson was also an option but apparently they do not like the Crest Rims.
    I do not run TLR nor any of my teammates (not schwalbe though) and we do not have any problems tubeless. See this article Going Tubeless for Cyclocross – Avoiding the Burp, Choosing the Best Tires, and a DIY System (Updated, Part III) | Cyclocross Magazine – Cyclocross News, Races, Bikes, Photos, Videos

    As far as Hutchinson not working with Crest rims, it will be more challenging to run any CX tire on the wider mtb rim.

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