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    Chinese 2015 cyclocross bike frame 142mm thru axle

    First Look:2015 cyclocross bike frame 142mm thru axle New cyclocross bicycle carbon frame, View 2015 cyclocross bike frame, OEM Product Details from Shenzhen Featbike Sport Equipment Co., Ltd. on Alibaba.com

    Hey did a forum search and didn't return anything for 'FM285'. Im considering purchasing this frame because it has everything im looking for: disc, bb30, tapered steerer, and through axle. Now I know we all talk about the Chinese frames but my biggest concern is the through axle. how has your Chinese carbon 142x12 frame held up? anyone have any intrest in this frame?

    Specifications

    2015 cyclocross frame
    rear142X12mm thru axle
    front 100X15mm thru axle
    bottom braket PF30/BB30/BSA

    Item:
    FM285
    Size:
    50cm,52cm,54cm,56cm,58cm
    Weave:
    UD
    Finished:
    To order
    Type:
    Thru axle cyclocross
    Material:
    Hight Modulus Toray Carbon Fiber
    Brake Type
    Disc Brake (front and rear 160mm rotor)
    Frame rear spacer:
    142mmX12mm thru axle
    Fork spacer :
    100mmX15mm thru axle
    Head tube:
    Taper 1-1/8 to 1-1/2
    Seat Tube:
    For diameter 31.6mm seat post
    Cable:
    Internal cable
    Groupset:
    Di2 and Machine compatible
    Bottom Bracket
    BB30 and BSA
    Tire size:
    700X38C
    Warranty:
    2 years

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    I suspect that as there are currently only CAD drawings available, that frame will likely not be available for shipment for ~4-6 months.

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    Chinese 2015 cyclocross bike frame 142mm thru axle

    There are hundreds of satisfied IP-057 buyers in the 29er forum.


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    Not sure I would want through axles on a true CX bike, especially if you are racing.

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    Subscribed. I am also very interested in that frame. Please post your findings :-)

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    Sounds interesting!

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    I contacted the seller:
    The frame is available in about 45 days.
    I will definitely order one in size 54.
    As soon as it will be here, I will post images of my build.


    Group: Ultegra Di2
    STI: ST-R785
    Brakes: BR-RS785
    Discs: SM-RT99 140mm (Centerlock)
    Wheelset: DT Swiss X 1700 Spline Two 29" (Centerlock)


    According to a DT Swiss rep, the new 2015 Spline thru axle wheelsets will accommodate 11-speed road-cassettes without problems, despite beeing MTB 10sp. I really hope thats true...
    DT Swiss - X 1700 Spline TWO 29
    (If you have more infos, please post


    They go for 460 right now: Bike24 - DT Swiss X 1700 SPLINE TWO 29" Wheelset Centerlock Front: 15x100mm/QR | Rear: 12x142mm/QR
    I think thats a very fair price, considering the Shimano WH-RX830 (no thru axle) costing double the price and are 160g heavier..

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    Quote Originally Posted by abyssal View Post
    I contacted the seller:
    The frame is available in about 45 days.
    I will definitely order one in size 54.
    As soon as it will be here, I will post images of my build.
    I am looking to build a cross bike and want thru axles (I doubt I'll ever ride another off-road bike without them). This frame seems to fit the bill. I contacted miraclebikes which has the frame on their website and they don't seem to know when it will be available. The frame geometry seems to be the same as their MC105 frames (which makes sense, a lot easier to modify an existing frame than create a new geo), they could not confirm that however, though the person I talked to thought it was the case.

    I did get detailed 105 frame specs from her (full cad drawing pdfs) for both the 54 and 52 frames, as well as the fork, and while the wb is a bit short for the size (very square geo) it might be just what I was looking for (better handling for a slight toe overlap on the 52). I am undecided yet. Still doing some calculations and comparisons.

    Anyways, what seller did you contact that gave you a quote of 45 days?

    Did they give you a price?

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    In for price! specs seem strange to have seat tube length and TT length identical tho.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slyver View Post
    Anyways, what seller did you contact that gave you a quote of 45 days?
    Did they give you a price?
    Hi
    I contacted the alibaba-seller (Featbike Sport Equipment Co., Ltd.):
    First Look:2015 cyclocross bike frame 142mm thru axle New cyclocross bicycle carbon frame, View 2015 cyclocross bike frame, OEM Product Details from Shenzhen Featbike Sport Equipment Co., Ltd. on Alibaba.com

    I am in contact with Mr. James Pan.
    I did not request a price till yet and only asked for aviability, it will be in the typical range for a chinese seller as quotet on alibaba (US $ 420 - 650 per Set)


    James Pan
    Shenzhen Featbike Sport Equipment Co., Ltd.
    T: 086 755 89990635 | F: 086 755 89990595
    E: info@featbikes.com
    W: Full Carbon bike
    Products Showroom on Alibaba.com

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    Quote Originally Posted by jkidd_39 View Post
    In for price! specs seem strange to have seat tube length and TT length identical tho.
    It's actually pretty standard. The measure for seat tubes from BB center to the top of the seat tube is a poor measurement, since the part after the connector between the seat tube and top tube is inconsequential to all of the measurements that make any difference to anyone doing frame sizing. The actual seat tube height is 480mm (from BBC to ST/TT connection) on the 52, and 500mm on the 54. This is definitely in the "normal" range.

    The only "strange" (less common) part of the geo is that on the small and medium frames, they still come close to the "sweet spot" angles on the ST and HT (73/73). Most companies spread those angles out more (especially the head tube angle, at least on cross bikes) to increase the front center distance (between BB and front axle) and eliminate toe overlap (TO). These particular frames (the FM/MC105 and maybe the 285s) do not. What this gives is a lower trail (and flop) and increased capacity to shift your center of gravity around, so both you and your bike are more agile, at the expense of potential toe overlap, at least on the smaller frames with bigger 700c tires.

    I personally don't care overmuch about toe overlap, as I am pretty agile on a bike, and can overcome it with ease, especially on a sub 18lb small bike. On the 52 with 35c tires, according to my calculations (i would normally be sized for a 54-55 top tube) I will have ~15mm TO, and can reduce that to next to nothing by increasing the stance width.

    Another way to eliminate TO (if it is problematic, which really is debatable) is to go with smaller wheels/tires. When I find the right frame for my build (very possibly this one), I am considering getting a set of 650b wheels and as large tires as I can fit. (it looks from the cad drawings I might be able to fit 48c, but 44c should be easy). A best of all possible worlds bike with a wheel change, booya.

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    @abyssal

    Thank you. Please keep us posted on any updates you receive from the distributor!

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    Quote Originally Posted by abyssal View Post
    I contacted the seller: The frame is available in about 45 days.
    Based on past experiences, this sounds a lot like marketing speak from the manufacturer (Hint - its not Feat or Miracle) which has not actually started producing the frame but is tooling up for production while gauging how much demand there will be. Typically, availability for a new frame can span 30-60 days once the first images of an actual frameset appear on the trading companies website.

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    BB drop?

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyver View Post
    I am looking to build a cross bike and want thru axles (I doubt I'll ever ride another off-road bike without them). This frame seems to fit the bill. I contacted miraclebikes which has the frame on their website and they don't seem to know when it will be available. The frame geometry seems to be the same as their MC105 frames (which makes sense, a lot easier to modify an existing frame than create a new geo), they could not confirm that however, though the person I talked to thought it was the case.

    I did get detailed 105 frame specs from her (full cad drawing pdfs) for both the 54 and 52 frames, as well as the fork, and while the wb is a bit short for the size (very square geo) it might be just what I was looking for (better handling for a slight toe overlap on the 52). I am undecided yet. Still doing some calculations and comparisons.

    Anyways, what seller did you contact that gave you a quote of 45 days?

    Did they give you a price?
    Any information on BB-drop? Can you post a pic of the 105 geo :-)

    Regards /Johan

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    52 geo here: Miraclebikes MC105-D-520

    54 here: MC105-D-540

    And fork here: MC105-D-Fork

    BB drop is 65mm.

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    Has anybody anything new to report about the frame and fork?

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    A search on alibaba turned up a new result; pictures of the actual frame and not just CAD drawings.

    At least I haven't seen it before. It looks beautiful.

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    Hi, new to forum, lurker for years though

    I've actually bought one of these frames from ICAN Bikes, though they call it the AC109. My desired spec was made in ten days and posted. Took 45 days to reach Ireland due to various problems in China (October holiday etc.) Once out of China it was here in two or three days. While I've received it I actually haven't seen it yet (delivered elsewhere). But if any of you have any questions please don't hesitate to ask.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Racing snake View Post
    Hi, new to forum, lurker for years though

    I've actually bought one of these frames from ICAN Bikes, though they call it the AC109. My desired spec was made in ten days and posted. Took 45 days to reach Ireland due to various problems in China (October holiday etc.) Once out of China it was here in two or three days. While I've received it I actually haven't seen it yet (delivered elsewhere). But if any of you have any questions please don't hesitate to ask.
    The AC109 does not appear to be thru-axle on their site.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sleeveless View Post
    The AC109 does not appear to be thru-axle on their site.
    So what I did is order dropouts for qr and TA should I switch to that going forward. Fork is only Qr though.

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    Will it be possible to mount fenders/mudguards and even rack on these frames?

    Rgs

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    Quote Originally Posted by n1x0n View Post
    Will it be possible to mount fenders/mudguards and even rack on these frames?

    Rgs
    I can only speak for the Ican models; so not on the AC109 as it has no eyelets, but it is possible on one of their other ones, the AC058 I think.

    Collected frame today, still have to unwrap it but all looks good so far

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    Quote Originally Posted by n1x0n View Post
    Will it be possible to mount fenders/mudguards and even rack on these frames?

    Rgs
    From the pics, it seems the front fork has an eyelet, but the seat stay does not. It looks like it would be quite simple to drill it and bond in an eyelet however. Then you could use something like this that straps on to the fork/seat stays and eyelets for fenders (or their hybrid version for wider tires).

    As for the rack, I mounted a regular rack using this for the top mount and a couple electrical insulated p-clamps on the back of the chainstays (5/8" if I remember correctly, <$2 at home depot) on my girlfriends new cross bike. I had to push the racks downtubes into the p-clamps under a little bit of force to make it fit, but it is solid.

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    I am not convinced the AC109 is the same frame as the FM285 advertised at miraclebikes and alibaba. It looks like it is the same manufacturer from the pics, but the stats do not match (advertised geometry, tire size, BB type, front fork type (TA is advertised on the FM285), etc.). That doesn't mean it is not, one is a pre-release advertisement, and the other is an actual frame being sold, so who knows. I am just not convinced.

    I very much hope it is not, as I really do not like the relaxed geo of the Ican frame. It also is not currently being sold with the front thru axle, which is far more important (with regards to how much of an effect it has on handling, stiffness and feedback in a technical environment) than the rear (although both are nice). We will see when miraclebikes actually starts selling theirs. I will contact them again when the stated time is up (~3 more weeks) and see if they have an updated availability time and frame stats.

    @Racing snake: Thanks for the updates. Keep 'em comin'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slyver View Post
    I am not convinced the AC109 is the same frame as the FM285 advertised at miraclebikes and alibaba. It looks like it is the same manufacturer from the pics, but the stats do not match (advertised geometry, tire size, BB type, front fork type (TA is advertised on the FM285), etc.). That doesn't mean it is not, one is a pre-release advertisement, and the other is an actual frame being sold, so who knows. I am just not convinced.

    I very much hope it is not, as I really do not like the relaxed geo of the Ican frame. It also is not currently being sold with the front thru axle, which is far more important (with regards to how much of an effect it has on handling, stiffness and feedback in a technical environment) than the rear (although both are nice). We will see when miraclebikes actually starts selling theirs. I will contact them again when the stated time is up (~3 more weeks) and see if they have an updated availability time and frame stats.

    @Racing snake: Thanks for the updates. Keep 'em comin'.
    Regarding the data provided in the stats. I find it is frequently incorrect to what they are selling (all Chinese frame sellers). Especially on the alibaba listings. While I didn't compare the geo you are right about the BB though, mine was offered in BSA or BB86 not BB30, I chose the BB86. I've received rear drop outs for both qr and TA, but yes the from is QR only as I expected. I wasn't aware that the MB one had TA front. If there's anything you want me to verify against the MB FM285 specs, just ask (now that I had the frame here).

    Yea, I'm not sure myself, but these companies are all connected in some way. For example; when I was having difficulty with the shipping I missed a phone call from a Chinese number. A web search brought me to a Miracle bikes alibaba listing. I asked Ican if they were were trying to phone me. To which they replied that it was their sales manager (or similar, I can't remember the exact title), and that he was contacting me to try to resolve my delivery problem!

    Will do, not sure if I can post pictures as a newbie here?

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