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    after riding a R-9 I fell in love post pic of your sinister!
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    is that rigth that the bike is verry long? in the january MBA is a review?
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    Quote Originally Posted by fox-ranger
    is that rigth that the bike is verry long? in the january MBA is a review?
    it was long, but felt pretty good I think. Mba is a good mag but the point of views are from xc'ers who have ridden ever bike in the world.
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    no comment.... verry fast!!!
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    Thread moved to the new "Custom DH/FR/Urban Builders" board.

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    splinter

    Here is my splinter MX on the night I was building it. Great bike, I must say the best I have ridden.
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    These bikes are simply beautiful. Certainly my favorite.
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    This is my Ridge. I hope you like it.
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    OK, I am looking at the Splinters, Anyone here that has time on them that can give me the low down? Compared to other long travel bikes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by surlytman
    OK, I am looking at the Splinters, Anyone here that has time on them that can give me the low down? Compared to other long travel bikes?

    The splinter isn't exactly a long travel bike, coming in at 6" max. I have 2, an ER that I use for super D, and agressive trail riding




    and an MXS that I use for hitting stupid gaps, dirt jumping, some slalom and 4x races, and mellower DH races where I don't want to run the R9.

    My times on my training DH track are faster on the MXS setup 5+5" than they were with my old Giant DH. The leverage ratio on the bike is dialed to give you grip with less travel, and still be progressive enough for stupidly large hits. The adjustable geometry is awesome too.

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    Thanks for your input. I have been riding singlespeed and 29ers for over 6 years so ANYTHING over 3" (my last fs bike) is like long travel to me! I am looking in the 5-6" range for an allaround trailbike that will put up with some hard riding. Everyone I ride with is getting 6" travel bikes.

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    I finally finished building up my Sinister DNA last week. Take a peek at it here in this thread here:
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    I think I may hold claim to the pimpest DNA on the planet. Now I just gotta get my skills on par with my bike.

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    old DNA.

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    Good job! Why I LOVE Sinister Bikes

    Not only do they make some of the most awesome bikes on the planet, they offer some of the best CS in the business!

    Case in point: I placed a deposit on a Splinter MX, then got word that they were no longer going to be made. I had been looking for a bike for over a year and the Splinter was BY FAR the best one I had found. I contacted Sinister and spoke with FTW in person (a big plus in itself) to tell him my situation. He did some searching around the shop and located all the parts to custom build a Splinter for me!




    It is a large, but has the standover of a samller size (my request). I still need to pedal the bike around, so the seat tube reamains full length. It is the only one FTW ever did with the cross brace from the TT to the ST. Also, the shock supports differ from the production bike in that it is all tubes, not the ususal CnC work. (Saves a good deal of weight, keeps all the strength. )

    The good news continues - the first 5th Element was defective. (Bad top out clunk, no rebound.) Instead of having me ship the shock back to Progressive, Frank just swapped it with another one he had in the shop. I met him halfway between my place and his shop, and ended up riding some super nice trails with him.

    Never in a million years would this happen if I had bought a mega-coprporation bike.

    Oh, when I was at the shop, I got to give a parking lot test to the prototype of the bike that will replace the Splinter. I have no idea how it works, but it was a major eye-opener as to what suspended bikes are capable of.

    Keep an eye on Sinister, because VERY good things are coming!
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    Good for you and the people who have the $$$$. For the average rider their products are still too expensive. I just bought a 8inch vpp (maestro) freeride frame with a fox dhx for 1400bucks. I will love to support smaller companys but often they just don't offer inovative suspencion desings and always the frames costs twice of one from a big manufacturer...
    Just beacause the CS and the quality of their welds im not going to spend 2500 bucks in a frame that is basically a single pivot.

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    Hey Tech,

    What else can you tell us about the prototype Sinister? Travel? Suspension design? Weight? Price? When will it be done?

    Thanks for any info.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mongiafer
    Good for you and the people who have the $$$$. For the average rider their products are still too expensive. I just bought a 8inch vpp (maestro) freeride frame with a fox dhx for 1400bucks. I will love to support smaller companys but often they just don't offer inovative suspencion desings and always the frames costs twice of one from a big manufacturer...
    Just beacause the CS and the quality of their welds im not going to spend 2500 bucks in a frame that is basically a single pivot.
    First off, the frame was nowhere near $2500 -actually the whole bike was in that range.

    Second, I challenge you to find ANY other single pivot design that is like the Splinter - ain't gonna happen!

    Third- personally, I care a lot more about performance than "innivative design". IMO, every VPP bike I have ever ridden felt like crap. Innovative or not, I would not spend $5 on one (ok, I would, but only to sell it for a profit). Furthermore, if you really want "innovative design" wait to see Sinister's offerings for this fall. All of a sudden your Maestro may look as if it has dropped its baton.

    Fourth, did you call up Giant and have them custom weld the frame for you? Or did you buy a leftover? Used maybe? Did the owner of Giant talk with you in person and go for a ride with you on an otherwise inaccessible trail? If your Giant breaks, will the owner of the company stand by the product? Will he respond to your e-mails, or give you his cell # if a problem arises? Will he personally go out of his way to fix a problem if it arises? Does the owner of Giant actually know how the Maestro suspension works, or does he leave that up to his engineering staff?

    Fifth - I am not made of money at all. I scraped and saved for a good long while to get EXACTLY what I wanted.

    Your opinion is yours, and that is fine, but you are basically saying "nice Ferarri, but I just bought a used Accord that gets me to where I want to go." Good on ya! That is not what I wanted in a bike, and yes there is MUCH more to a bike purchace than just the bike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MBN
    Hey Tech,

    What else can you tell us about the prototype Sinister? Travel? Suspension design? Weight? Price? When will it be done?

    Thanks for any info.
    M.
    Not much really. There are going to be at least 2 models,one for trail and one FR. 5" and 7" of travel, respectively -at least as far as I know.

    I can't speak to the design at all, because I just dont understand it. There is a bit of info on Bustedspoke. No idea as to weight or price. Tentative release date is in the fall.

    I do know that the bike feels like no other I have ever tried. The thing excells at square edged bumps, which it basically makes disappear. Frank mentioned that it is going to be a challenge finding a fork that will keep up with what the frame can do and after a few short runs, I believe him. My impression was that when I hit a bump, I could feel the fork do its thing, and I kept waiting for the back to do the same, but it just never did. Try to imagine the fork as the leading edge of a steamroller - it hits the bump, but then the bump just gets flattened (mostly away) by the time the rear of the bike hits it. Thats how it feels. Very bizarre, very cool, and it is going to be unbelieveably fast.
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    Well I got my r9 and went to Highland Mountian Bike Park for opening day. Sinister was there and helped me set up suspension b/c I didn't have a clue. To boot Skye from Sinister checked in with me all day long to make sure I was happy. Man..what terrible customer service!!!

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    Sinister Ridge?

    Hey all,

    Looking at the Sinister Ridge as mainly an aggressive trail frame. I want to put my 07 Talas RLC (140mm) on it though. I haven't seen any pics/heard of anyone running an QR fork on it though. Is anyone? Pics? Opinions?

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    Jamie Ford and I both run Revelations on our '07 Ridges. They are both setup as plain old trailbikes, certainly no need for a throughaxle for that...

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuspectDevice
    Jamie Ford and I both run Revelations on our '07 Ridges. They are both setup as plain old trailbikes, certainly no need for a throughaxle for that...
    That's what I wanted to hear How's it handle? Have any pics?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuspectDevice
    Jamie Ford and I both run Revelations on our '07 Ridges. They are both setup as plain old trailbikes, certainly no need for a throughaxle for that...

    I'll tell ya-every year I look at that Sinister ridge frame and wonder if it's time to put away the xc dualie and go with solid-all-purpose top flight hard tail. Is 07 the Year, Suspect??

    I think we ride similar areas, SDevice--in fact I was at Bachelor St on Sunday (oh-I see there are even more new off-shoots and drops off of the roller coaster trail...hmmm, those trail elfs in hampshire County are at it again--nice stuff btw)--In spite of the inveterate Rockiness of the Pioneer Valley-it's very hilly and still more xc than anything 'freeride"-

    Is the sinister the go to bike for 80 percent of the terrain?? Does it hold true on Climbs-handle quick enough?

    Oh, and is the Revelation the fork to compliment this frame?

    I guess my concerns are-1. I like climbing and I don't want to come to hate it and 2. I've never owned a hardtail--but I love the look of them-like the simplicity of design (and hey-to buy one hand made by FTW right here in New England-whoa)-I suppose I hesistate over the harshness of an alu hardtail (though I've only ridden aluminum bikes anyway so It's never bothered me before-but like I said-I'm always on dualies).

    Oh-and Finally-the Northern Branch of PV NEMBA is Hosting a FUN RIDE at Wendell SF on Sunday Nov. 12th @ 12:00pm--The Local shops will be there and probably a few demo/ reps as welll--Is Sinister interested in any presence there (we'd all certainly welcome it)? Anyway-you should bring your crew up and check out the trails!

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    The new Ridge frames are soo dreamy when compared to the old ones, they are no longer very freeridey and much more trail/allmountain esque. FTW has an amazing ability to make hardtails ride smoothly, and it is something he has taken into account with the new Ridges.

    That is one of the ones built up for the show. The bikes are optimized for 4-6" forks now, and the frame weight is down to about 4.25 pounds
    I will try to get FTW, Jamie, Skye and Myself out for the Wendell event, I think I will ride my Mustang(the ultralight XC race hardtail) though, as I LOVE that bike too,,

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuspectDevice
    The new Ridge frames are soo dreamy when compared to the old ones, they are no longer very freeridey and much more trail/allmountain esque. FTW has an amazing ability to make hardtails ride smoothly, and it is something he has taken into account with the new Ridges.

    That is one of the ones built up for the show. The bikes are optimized for 4-6" forks now, and the frame weight is down to about 4.25 pounds
    I will try to get FTW, Jamie, Skye and Myself out for the Wendell event, I think I will ride my Mustang(the ultralight XC race hardtail) though, as I LOVE that bike too,,
    I am in the process of building up one of the 05 Ridge frames, it weighs a ton but I don't reckon it is breakable! I was thinking about waiting for the new frame but over in the UK the distributor was talking about after xmas at the earliest. We can still pick up Splinters over here as well!

    Can you describe the differences between the old and new ridges, is is just the head tube / seat tube that are different or has there also been modifications to the tubing profiles etc

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    The new Ridge is lighter, uses a 27.2 post (and hence a different seat tube), a 1.125 head tube and is designed around a shorter a-c fork than the older ones.

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    Suspect,

    That would be awesome to get the whole Sinister Contigent out--several of the locals who've helped build tthe hgooods at Wendell with me are Sinister Riders (and one bought his Splinter MX directly from You I believe) so It'd be nice to see you're company out in force.

    The PV-Nemba meeting is taking place at 9:00 at the Wendell headquarters prior to the event if you're coming to that as well.

    Hope to see ya on the 12th,

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    Sinister Testimonials

    I hear great things are coming out of the Sinister Bike camp. If you own or have ridden a Sinister could you share your ride experience? Iím interested in what you like, dislike, would/wouldn't changeÖDonít forget to mention which model and how youíve got it set up. Thanks!

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    No personal sinister experience but you might want to surf over to bustedspoke.com/forum
    Tons of sinister riders as it is an eastcoast board, and sinister employees are regulars (verticult=FTW)
    As with any forum the spectrum of honesty to total bias exists....
    http://www.bustedspoke.com/Forum/viewtopic.php?t=29775
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    I just built mine up and went for its 2nd ride today. Climbs really well with a 160mm, descends damn quickly. Feels pretty solid in the air off of jumps, and is manueverable.
    Strangely, feels pretty compliant for an alum. hardtail. I was hitting some drops to flat and
    it wasn't too jarring.

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    Only thing I would wish for... anodizing and maybe a metal headtube badge. It would definitely add more bling to the ride.
    Otherwise....Brown is mad shhweeeeet.

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    Brown is mad shhweeeeet

    Your bike is shhweeeeet! The metal headbadge would definately be cool. Thanks for sharing your opinions.

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    I had a Sinister DNA and it was by far the best dirt jump, street, park, pump track 26" bike I've ever ridden. It was a confidence inspiring frame that's for sure. The fact that they are made in the US is even better. If I had the money I would've never gotten rid of it. I wouldn't hesitate to buy any of the Sinister frames.

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    I've got a Sinister Splinter MX in small with a Fox DHX5.0 coil. unbelievable piece of art... I'm building it up over winter, so can't give you the low down on ride just quite yet, but I can tell with my own two eyes the quality of manufacture in top notch. and that said, everyone with a Splinter I've heard from or read about absolutely loves it, they are extremely versatile and adjustable. A bit hard to find as well, since nobody wants to let go and many are looking.
    I'll be matching it up with a Fox 36VAN as well, like on unfluid one's bad mammajamma ridge above!

    and like JoshG just mentioned, and I recently found out, there is a very CORE group, almost family, of Sinister riders on bustedspoke. lot's of in-depth info on them as well, and you can talk to employees, and maybe even FTW himself there, as well as get the lowdown on recent happenings and upcoming product...

    keep your eyes peeled for the new VST Passion and Poison! I know I can't wait.

    here's a quick pick of what I've got and also the current bike that I am swapping a few parts over from.

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    I'm a current owner of 2 Sinister frames and hopefully soon I'll be on a DNA as soon as they become available again. From the first day I saw FTW's (spooky junebug) work i've always been super impressed by the quality of the frames. I was fortunate enough to get a chance to get a Splinter MX at an amazing price about a year ago and since the first ride on it I have sworn by it. It has to be one of the most versitile and most fun bike that i have ever had a chance to throw a leg over. I did have a small problem with play in the linkage but FTW was very quick to respond back to me and get it worked out. Sinister as a Company is Top notch and they back their products 100% which lead me to get a R9 to race on this summer. The R9 is simply a pure breed race machine that also likes to "huck", the bike is a huge confidence builder. If you have the chance to get a Sinister frame DO IT! Here are my Sinisters http://ct.pbase.com/o5/55/648955/1/6...p.IMG_3004.JPG
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    Sinister bikes are top quality all the way. Attention to detail on the frames is stellar.

    I have tons of ride time on the R9, the Ridge, and now I own a DNA. The bikes rip and are very strong for thier intended purpose.
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    At our rather muddy rugged wendell ride today we had a small crew of sinister riders there--one on a really fine looking Mustang--I'll say this--they are the nicest looking aluminum frames I've ever seen--Lines as clean as the the best steel frames.

    Liam

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    Yup,
    DNA is pimp. I rock one out for commute, skatepark and Street, not so many DH's around here. Not a single possible complaint.

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    I ride/race an R9, and have spent time on all the others as well. No complaints at all. They each do what they're supposed to, very nicely.

    Am eagerly awaiting the Passion/Poison as well. Seems like a pretty cool new system, and would love to get some ride time on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Techfreak
    First off, the frame was nowhere near $2500 -actually the whole bike was in that range.

    Second, I challenge you to find ANY other single pivot design that is like the Splinter - ain't gonna happen!

    Third- personally, I care a lot more about performance than "innivative design". IMO, every VPP bike I have ever ridden felt like crap. Innovative or not, I would not spend $5 on one (ok, I would, but only to sell it for a profit). Furthermore, if you really want "innovative design" wait to see Sinister's offerings for this fall. All of a sudden your Maestro may look as if it has dropped its baton.

    Fourth, did you call up Giant and have them custom weld the frame for you? Or did you buy a leftover? Used maybe? Did the owner of Giant talk with you in person and go for a ride with you on an otherwise inaccessible trail? If your Giant breaks, will the owner of the company stand by the product? Will he respond to your e-mails, or give you his cell # if a problem arises? Will he personally go out of his way to fix a problem if it arises? Does the owner of Giant actually know how the Maestro suspension works, or does he leave that up to his engineering staff?

    Fifth - I am not made of money at all. I scraped and saved for a good long while to get EXACTLY what I wanted.

    Your opinion is yours, and that is fine, but you are basically saying "nice Ferarri, but I just bought a used Accord that gets me to where I want to go." Good on ya! That is not what I wanted in a bike, and yes there is MUCH more to a bike purchace than just the bike.
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    Good job!

    Quote Originally Posted by Techfreak
    First off, the frame was nowhere near $2500 -actually the whole bike was in that range.

    Second, I challenge you to find ANY other single pivot design that is like the Splinter - ain't gonna happen!

    Third- personally, I care a lot more about performance than "innivative design". IMO, every VPP bike I have ever ridden felt like crap. Innovative or not, I would not spend $5 on one (ok, I would, but only to sell it for a profit). Furthermore, if you really want "innovative design" wait to see Sinister's offerings for this fall. All of a sudden your Maestro may look as if it has dropped its baton.

    Fourth, did you call up Giant and have them custom weld the frame for you? Or did you buy a leftover? Used maybe? Did the owner of Giant talk with you in person and go for a ride with you on an otherwise inaccessible trail? If your Giant breaks, will the owner of the company stand by the product? Will he respond to your e-mails, or give you his cell # if a problem arises? Will he personally go out of his way to fix a problem if it arises? Does the owner of Giant actually know how the Maestro suspension works, or does he leave that up to his engineering staff?

    Fifth - I am not made of money at all. I scraped and saved for a good long while to get EXACTLY what I wanted.

    Your opinion is yours, and that is fine, but you are basically saying "nice Ferarri, but I just bought a used Accord that gets me to where I want to go." Good on ya! That is not what I wanted in a bike, and yes there is MUCH more to a bike purchace than just the bike.
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    Here's a shot in the dark. Ut I just picked up a preproduction sinister gruitr and I'm restoring it. I'm looking for a set of decals for it a nd I can't find them anywhere. Does sanyone have some that I could buy off you I can PayPal the money. I'd really appreciate it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by woody7795 View Post
    Here's a shot in the dark. Ut I just picked up a preproduction sinister gruitr and I'm restoring it. I'm looking for a set of decals for it a nd I can't find them anywhere. Does sanyone have some that I could buy off you I can PayPal the money. I'd really appreciate it.
    Still looking? Did you try to get in touch with Frank Diesel? He had a bunch of them at the Wicked Ride.

    I don't have a matching set of the newer style, but I've got a couple OG ones. I might be able to hunt down a partner for the other ones though. Lemme know if you still need them.

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    No luck with Frank he said he wasn't involved with the production of them . If you can get some that'd be great if you can't no big deal I do appreciate the help though.

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    No sweat - I'll make a couple calls
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    gigidy gigidy
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    I picked up a Sinister R9 last year. I'd like to get it set up properly. I understand there are travel options in the linkage, anyone know how this works. Also, there is some play in the shock-Romic-does this company still exist?

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