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    New addition to the Balance

    Or maybe it'd be a subtraction...


    28T BlkMrkt Revolver


    The logic behind the madness:


    So far it's great. The 1x9 fixed my chainline issues, I no longer rub the vertical, drive side support on the rear triangle, and I only dropped a little over two gears off either side of what my 2x9 provided. Not too shabby. The climbs hurt a little more, but my chainline couldn't be better in my primary, technical gears. I'm pleasantly surprised.

    I think the future holds a custom fixed bash guard/guide that mounts to the spindle and is positioned by the ISCG tabs. In addition, I'll probably get a 32T to swap in on Keystone days. We'll see.
    A trail thatís too difficult wouldnít exist because itíd never be used. But, trails can exist thatíre too difficult for you.

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    Very nice! I'm almost ready to do the same basic mod. to mine but with an LG-1. I just haven't gotten myself convinced that the rubbing bugs me more than climbing tech. stuff in that gear...Of course if I could get the 28t AND the LG-1 things would be pretty sweet.
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    Nick you rig is hot!!

    So concerning our convo, what do you think about Klaus's Devinci??
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    If you derail my thread, we're going to have a little talk.

    But concerning your question, it's a sweet rig. I seriously looked into a Devinci. I was most interested in the Frantik. I'm a big fan of 4-bar suspensions and simple, straight tube designs. (yeah yeah, I know that's the complete opposite of the Balance, but I couldn't resist the geometry and features of the Balance.) I know Klaus if pretty happy with his. When I rode it, the first things I noticed is that it's even more slack than my Balance, the wheelbase is huge, and the extra suspension makes the bike feel slugish when trying to pop it over something... but in turn, it felt great when I plowed into somthing blunt. Plush is a good word to describe the suspension. Ask Joe Eh about his. In fact, he was trying to get rid of his Wilson awhile back. He wants a more trail friendly bike like a Reign X if I remember correctly... maybe he'll be interested in an RFX.
    A trail thatís too difficult wouldnít exist because itíd never be used. But, trails can exist thatíre too difficult for you.

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    That's right! forgot about that, I need his email. I remember riding at Keystone with him and he had that bike, that's a nice ride. Thx for the reminder, I will ask him *aboot* it

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    Sweet! My AS-X had all kinds of chain issues till I went with an e-13 but one sprocket up from could work really well in lots but not all conditions. Nice setup.

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    what about pedal feedback?

    The suspension on the Balance feels the best with a 36 tooth up front as it brings the chain closest to the pivot area. Smaller will give you the pedal feedback that I have learned to deal with on my small ring but never enjoy. Being able to shift up to the larger ring means I can get rid of most if not all the pedal kickback when descending, has that been an issue for you?

    Also, after a month or two of a LOT of xc rides, I rubbed enough material out of that vertical support that the chain no longer makes contact. It became a non-issue.

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    That's a good question, aenema. I'm sure I have induced more pedal feedback by going to the smaller ring, but sadly, I have not noticed an increase. If anything, I would say that there is a decrease (at least on climbs), but it isn't a blatantly obvious one. I say this because pedal feedback was previously most prevalent during climbs in the little ring, which makes sense if the suspension was designed around a 36T ring. Now that I'm forced to use a ring that is closer in diameter to the 36T, my pedal feedback on rough climbs is slightly less than what I'm used to. As for descents, well, I'm not too sure. I'll have to pedal this puppy some more and get back to you. I'm curious now that you bring it up.
    A trail thatís too difficult wouldnít exist because itíd never be used. But, trails can exist thatíre too difficult for you.

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    Yeah, keep us posted

    It will quickly become the normal feel but I am reminded to back in the day of the uber popular bullit. The thing would eat rear deraileur's for breakfast and I was always amazed how well the rear end felt when it was chainless. Wonder if your setup would elicit similar feelings. Keep us in the loop.

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    aenema, I spent Saturday and Sunday pedaling the trails with your question in mind. I do feel a fair bit of pedal feedback, but it's most predominate on rough climbs when I'm standing on the pedals. Otherwise I can climb with little or no pedal feedback. On descents, I'm either not focused on the pedals or not getting far enough into the suspension to give any significant feedback. Regardless, any pedal feedback I do receive is still less than what I would feel in the 22T ring on rough climbs.

    I attribute this to getting used to the setup, but I was happier with it this weekend than I was last. If anything, I might pick up a 26T and 30T to swap out depending on what the day's trails will be like.
    A trail thatís too difficult wouldnít exist because itíd never be used. But, trails can exist thatíre too difficult for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickle
    ... If anything, I might pick up a 26T and 30T to swap out depending on what the day's trails will be like.

    Ha!, you're going to end up riding with those in your pack and get really fast a swapping them out...
    Since when did Need have anything to do with this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by icegeek
    Ha!, you're going to end up riding with those in your pack and get really fast a swapping them out...
    It's likely.
    A trail thatís too difficult wouldnít exist because itíd never be used. But, trails can exist thatíre too difficult for you.

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    If I could only figure out how to make a variable diameter ring, I'd be rich..
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    Quote Originally Posted by kenbentit
    If I could only figure out how to make a variable diameter ring, I'd be rich..
    No joke. Now make the variable diameter dynamic.
    A trail thatís too difficult wouldnít exist because itíd never be used. But, trails can exist thatíre too difficult for you.

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    stoked it is working for you

    I will be curious as you switch back and forth if you continue to like how it works. You should get a 36 tooth for the shuttle, dh oriented rides and compare that as well if you are getting in the ring swapping mode. I just worry that the hard hits at speed are going to bounce you foot off the pedals. Had that happen on bikes with a lot of feedback and riding hard through techy terrain.

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    Drops and my style riding are antonyms. However, that's a good bit of information to keep around.
    A trail thatís too difficult wouldnít exist because itíd never be used. But, trails can exist thatíre too difficult for you.

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    The dynamic ring was exactly what I had in mind but then there's the matter of actuating it under load. I have some ideas kicking around but they all end up super complicated and will add a ton of weight+complexity to the bike (not the result I was hoping for). Maybe that "Eureka!" moment will happen, just look at E-13..
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    I have an idea about that, variable size front ring..........weight and actuation! Will think about it.

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    Thats a pretty cool idea and a really sweet looking setup Nickle. I spent the entire last season beating my self up with a 32t single. Around the Wasatch front there's a ton of climbing, a 28t would have been welcome. Good work!

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    Old thread, I know, but I'm rebuilding my Balance right now and the chain rubbing thing is something I'm trying to fix.

    Nickle, you said this has solved the problem for you. I'm curious, what were some of the other things you first tried that didn't work? I assume you tried spacers on the BB.

    I really want to keep two rings up front, but this rubbing is annoying. Any ideas other than going single ring?

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    if you want two rings, it will rub for a bit

    On mine, I eventually rubbed out enough material that it stopped. If you space it out too far, you mess up your chainline and start dropping the chain. You could find something to protect the metal but it will still rub, I just accepted it and moved on.

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    Do you think one spacer would be too much? I have been putting a piece of tape where it rubs, but it just rubs off almost instantly. Did you actually end up rubbing material off, or just paint off the frame?

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    Hard to say how one spacer will affect it

    Try it, see if it is dropping the chain to the bottom ring in rough stuff. Could also affect your ability to set up the front deraileur correctly. You can always give it a go and remove it if issues crop up.

    It actually carved into the aluminum, took out material beyond paint. Only a couple of weeks tops and it was silent. I have a noticeable groove in that vertical support but does not seem to matter beyond aesthetics.

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    Certain cranks like my Stylo can't take the spacer, bummer. If I went with the Race Face Evolve DH like on my AS-X then I would have a wider spread from the BB. As the Balance is my lighter bike at 34.5 lbs I would like to keep it lean. Any other ways to help with the Balance's one Achilles heel?????

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    Quote Originally Posted by fuzzynutz
    Nickle, you said this has solved the problem for you. I'm curious, what were some of the other things you first tried that didn't work? I assume you tried spacers on the BB.
    The MRP Bones setup that I posted above did fix my chainline and rubbing issues, but those cranks caused me a lot of heartburn and have has since been scrapped. The [only] good thing about them were that they were 3-piece BMX style anvils. I could space the chainwheel with relative precision and ended up centering its plane on the cassette. The chain just cleared that vertical support with it setup like this.

    My new 1x9 is a far better and lighter setup and pulled the chain ring in a bit more. I did rub again and my chainline isn't as good in the little cogs as it was the MRP Bones, but it's tolerable. I ended up lightly filing the vertical support to reduce the significance of the rubbing. I figured the chain would do it over time anyway, so why not save some wear on the chain and use the right tool for the job. I don't have many pics of the new M952 XTR setup, but this at least shows the light filing job. The e.13 STP and trials bash guard that mounts to the middle ring position should be here this week.



    Overall, my impression of the Balance as a 1x9 trail bike is extremely positive. Much more so than a traditional 2x9, which I ran before with poor results. If anyone is considering performing a 28T 1x9, let me know as I have "dos" and "don'ts" to share.

    And just because Canfield porn is cool...
    A trail thatís too difficult wouldnít exist because itíd never be used. But, trails can exist thatíre too difficult for you.

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