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    Azonic riders. step right in !!

    Azonic riders, Is this forum your "home" ? If not, where ?
    Are we (I ride Azonic) so rare ?
    Step in and post your bike.

    here's my Propulsion.
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    I have a 2003 silver Saber with upgraded chainstays. I'll post a recent pic in a couple days. Mine is set up for ultra aggressive riding... maybe someday I will use it for that. I suspect it weighs about 36-38 pounds.

    A fellow rider has a 2004 black Saber setup for aggressive XC. I may get a pic of that one as well.

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    I have a silver saber set up for aggressive XC. I just got a RS pike team for it I cant whate to ride it. No digital cam so I don’t have any pics to post.

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    WOW, there are 4 of us !!!

    It is rare, I like it.

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    Here is a pic of my Saber

    Before the diet that is coming, the bike weighs 36.5 pounds
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    Nice rig.

    My Propulsion is now about 28 lbs.
    New Juicy-5 replaced the SD-5 V's and a San-Marco saddle now have to take my weight on it.

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    My Az..



    The other side:


    Notice the bad dent on the toptube. The bike fell from the stone in the upper image and hit something pointy, did not notice it until I came home and started to clean the bike after the ride.
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    a PIKE on a Propulsion ?

    How does it handles ?
    Is it no too much for the frame ?
    Doesn't it out of balance ?

    Very nice bike anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TM1
    How does it handles ?
    Is it no too much for the frame ?
    Doesn't it out of balance ?

    Very nice bike anyway.
    140mm up-hill is not recommended.
    But keeping it between 95 and 120mm works fine, atleast for me. Perhaps a bit overkill but so is the rest of the set-up..

    Thanx!
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    Alright a spot for us!

    Azonic owners that is. Here's my '03 Saber when she was new
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wayndar
    Azonic owners that is. Here's my '03 Saber when she was new
    Nice!

    Here's a picture of my bike, new frame (crack in seatstay(think it's called that), bash, front tire and some small updates. I regret I din't buy a Saber, but I got a nice price for the Propulsion..

    http://img298.imageshack.us/img298/8896/newaze5ue.jpg
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    Propulsion & Pike again ?

    first, nice bike your propulsion.
    second, this is a very aggresive build.How does the propulsion handles with the Pike ?
    I ride it with a 105 mm Marz. and considering going 130.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TM1
    first, nice bike your propulsion.
    second, this is a very aggresive build.How does the propulsion handles with the Pike ?
    I ride it with a 105 mm Marz. and considering going 130.
    Thanx, I usually keep the PIKE on 95-110 mm and I think it hadles pretty ok, when going down hill I turn it upp to 140 and just love it!

    I don't know how good it is for the frame but it seems to take it fine, so far..

    Riding 130 all the time should work, the question probably is what the axle-to-crown measure will be? It can be trouble when pedaling up hill.

    This weekend will be the first time I'll go down hill 'big' with it so let me come back with more opinions later, but the big test will be Are Mountan Mayhem 21th-31th of July:
    www.mtbfreerider.com (but I'm far from hardcore DH biker!)
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    Ive got a steelhead w/ dropoff triple on the front. Lots of fun, good to ride to school, or as a second bike for buddies or girlfriends to ride.

    I've also got a stinky, but Im looking at a recoil for next year. Anyone ridden one?

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    Handling?

    So how does the Propulsion and the Saber handle going uphill and down? They are beautiful bikes and I seriously looked in to getting a Propulsion before I got my Turner Flux. There was so little info out there that about the bikes that I decided to go with the Turner, it was a matter of not enought information out there to make a desicion.

    Also, do your bikes come with an FSR or ICT sticker? I wonder if Azonic worked around the licencing issues with Specialized and Ellsworth (the design looks very similar to Ells and Turner).
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    Quote Originally Posted by 42hz
    Thanx, I usually keep the PIKE on 95-110 mm and I think it hadles pretty ok, when going down hill I turn it upp to 140 and just love it!

    I don't know how good it is for the frame but it seems to take it fine, so far..

    Riding 130 all the time should work, the question probably is what the axle-to-crown measure will be? It can be trouble when pedaling up hill.

    This weekend will be the first time I'll go down hill 'big' with it so let me come back with more opinions later, but the big test will be Are Mountan Mayhem 21th-31th of July:
    www.mtbfreerider.com (but I'm far from hardcore DH biker!)
    The Saber frame can handle 155mm in the front all day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elmadaleno
    So how does the Propulsion and the Saber handle going uphill and down? They are beautiful bikes and I seriously looked in to getting a Propulsion before I got my Turner Flux. There was so little info out there that about the bikes that I decided to go with the Turner, it was a matter of not enought information out there to make a desicion.

    Also, do your bikes come with an FSR or ICT sticker? I wonder if Azonic worked around the licencing issues with Specialized and Ellsworth (the design looks very similar to Ells and Turner).
    Azonic has been paying royalties to specialized for the FSR patents several years now.

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    about Propulsion ...

    Quote Originally Posted by elmadaleno
    So how does the Propulsion and the Saber handle going uphill and down? They are beautiful bikes and I seriously looked in to getting a Propulsion before I got my Turner Flux. There was so little info out there that about the bikes that I decided to go with the Turner, it was a matter of not enought information out there to make a desicion.

    Also, do your bikes come with an FSR or ICT sticker? I wonder if Azonic worked around the licencing issues with Specialized and Ellsworth (the design looks very similar to Ells and Turner).
    I ride the Propulsion after riding a FSR bike for 3 years.
    The Azonic handle VERY good. uphill, with a propedal Fox it's a great climber.
    down ? this bike rocks ... very stable, very stiff. they got me buying a juicy set of brakes ...

    I've compared the Propulsion to Turners (mostly 5Spot). they are very similar.

    about licencing - Azonic used to pay Specialized. this year Azonic stoped selling FSR bike in th US. they sell in Europe for very low price.

    Also, the fsr Azonics are made by a company called X-Tension. this company sell the same bikes under it's name.

    The Propulsion (they call it X-Pilot) is replaced with a different frame this year.

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    Very Interesting

    Quote Originally Posted by TM1
    I ride the Propulsion after riding a FSR bike for 3 years.
    The Azonic handle VERY good. uphill, with a propedal Fox it's a great climber.
    down ? this bike rocks ... very stable, very stiff. they got me buying a juicy set of brakes ...

    I've compared the Propulsion to Turners (mostly 5Spot). they are very similar.

    about licencing - Azonic used to pay Specialized. this year Azonic stoped selling FSR bike in th US. they sell in Europe for very low price.

    Also, the fsr Azonics are made by a company called X-Tension. this company sell the same bikes under it's name.

    The Propulsion (they call it X-Pilot) is replaced with a different frame this year.

    The X-Plore looks very much like a 5 Spot, (and of course, the Sabre), it would be interesting to hear from someone that has ridden both. Do you know the weight on the Sabre frame? I have been craving for a longer travel bike but the Wife would kill me if I blow more cash on one so this might be a solution if I sell my older bikes... (anyone interested in a 1995 GT Zascar or a 1996 956 Proflex?
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    I'm currently building up a Saber for aggressive XC. Nice looking bike. I can't wait to get it out and play.

    I can't decide on the pedals, though. Should I go clipless or would platforms be the smart way to go?
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    You can contact X-Tension via the web site and ask them for details :
    http://www.xtensionbikes.com/

    They are very helpfull.

    Also, The X-Tension bike are sold in Europe. the German site :

    http://www.xtensionbikes.de/index.php?id=8

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    Yet another picture. :)


    (Huge picture will load if you click the picture)

    This was my set-up in �re this year, the tires made a HUGE difference when riding over wet roots!

    2.7" Minion front and I managed (after carefully centering the wheel) to squeeze in a 2.5" High Roller tire in the rear swing!



    And what a differrence compared to last year when I rode a Gary Fisher Paragon HT with XC tires, even after a week of biking I want back to the mountains!

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    Wow !!!

    This is a VERY aggressive build for a Propulsion.

    This frame can handle this ? looks like you give this bike a lot of punishment ...

    Isn't the Saber a better frame for this ?

    I ride the Propulsion and didn't think this bike can take FR.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TM1
    This is a VERY aggressive build for a Propulsion.

    This frame can handle this ? looks like you give this bike a lot of punishment ...

    Isn't the Saber a better frame for this ?

    I ride the Propulsion and didn't think this bike can take FR.
    It's built more aggressevly than I ride (atleast I think so) and so far it has held together nicely, however I got a new frame after I got some cracks in the the seat-tube, just where there's a drilled hole for the slit(If it's called that in english?) for the seatclamp. I had the frame for like 8 month, over the winter, which is harsh here. So very little biking during wintertime.. ;-)

    Sadly the compression adjuster screw has started to leak oil/fluid but that is a known flaw in some of the Romic rear suspensions, hopefully it's a warranty matter. The seals start to leak and Romic is replacing the seals with other seals of better quality.

    As I mentioned futher up in this thread I kind of regret that I didn't pay the extra for at Saber.
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    Well, looking at all these PIKEs here ...

    on the Propulsion got me to put the new REVELATION on my bike.

    it's 100-130mm travel and hadles very nice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TM1
    on the Propulsion got me to put the new REVELATION on my bike.

    it's 100-130mm travel and hadles very nice.
    Sounds like a perfect fork for the frame, any pics yet?

    I think RockShox has really taken a huge step forward when it comes to quality and preformance on their forks.

    Any verdicts yet on Marzocchi vs. RS Revelation?
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    Pic's will be coming soon ...

    as for the Zoke vs. RS ...

    The RVL is a VERY big step up from the MX.
    It's plusher, it's very stiff.
    The infinite adjustment options makes the fork tunable to your specific ride style.
    It feels like 2 bikes. 130mm and "open" going down, 100mm and "closed" going up on simple roads, and all the other options to the range in between.

    pic's ? soon ...

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    I ride an Azonic DS-1 as an urban/DJ rig. There are a ton of people on the DH/FR forum riding Steelheads and loving them. IMHO Azonic makes the best products for the buck.

    I have my DS-1 set up with a gheto SS and now run a Marzocchi Drop Off Comp that I lowered the travel down to 100mm.
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    Are there any Saber riders using something other than the Romic coil shock on their bikes? I'm wondering what other options there are for upgrades way down the road (basically, when I get tired of hauling the weight of the Romic up the hill).
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    get a RP3 or a 2005/6 FLOAT-R

    the RP3 if you want the 3 propedal option. if you like to change the shock going up or down hill.
    get the float-r if you are a "plug&play" guy.

    both will make your Saber much more efficient.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TM1
    the RP3 if you want the 3 propedal option. if you like to change the shock going up or down hill.
    get the float-r if you are a "plug&play" guy.

    both will make your Saber much more efficient.

    Cool. Thanks for the info. I was actually thinking the DHX Air, but the either one you suggested would be a good choice, too.
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    the DHX-air will be fine ...

    if you are on the agressive side of trail riding or even FR.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TM1
    if you are on the agressive side of trail riding or even FR.


    Cool. Thanks for the info. Since I'm not to insane and more of an aggressive XC guy, I think I'll go with the either the RP3 or the Float. I don't see the Float in the right shock length or stroke, so it may end up being the RP3.

    Any thoughts on the Manitou Swinger Airs for the Saber?
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    Saber info

    I checked out the Xtension site but did not see any frame weight on the Saber. Anyone have this info?

    How about a ride report on the Saber. It looks like a nice bike.

    I found an ad for '04 Saber frames for $699. That seems too good to be true for a Horst Link bike with 5/6" travel.

    Thanks in advance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CalEpic
    I checked out the Xtension site but did not see any frame weight on the Saber. Anyone have this info?

    How about a ride report on the Saber. It looks like a nice bike.

    I found an ad for '04 Saber frames for $699. That seems too good to be true for a Horst Link bike with 5/6" travel.

    Thanks in advance.

    C

    I'm very happy with mine. My one complaint is that the coil shock weighs a ton. However, I'm used to my Fuel with its air shock.

    The Saber is a very nice riding bike. It rides tall, though. I'm 5'8", and I've got the 17" frame, and it is almost too big for me. If I could have gotten the 16" frame from Xtension, I would have.

    The $699 is a killer deal. When I got mine, it was $799 from Wheel World. I wouldn't hesitate to jump at the lower price if I had to do it over again. Fun bike.
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    saber delight

    Quote Originally Posted by CalEpic
    I checked out the Xtension site but did not see any frame weight on the Saber. Anyone have this info?

    How about a ride report on the Saber. It looks like a nice bike.

    I found an ad for '04 Saber frames for $699. That seems too good to be true for a Horst Link bike with 5/6" travel.

    Thanks in advance.

    C

    buy it!
    believe me, you're on the right track. that frame @ that price is hands down one of the best deals ever offered IMHO. look @ the geometry details of the Turner 6 pack. notice any similarities? if the Pack is the type of frame that fits your style then it should be an easy decision. i've been on mine for 2 years and couldn't be happier w/ it. i can't believe you wouldn't be also.
    later
    p.s.17"=7.9lbs
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    Saber

    Thanks for the info guys. I'm going to check one out in person.

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    BETD plates for the Propulsion ?

    Well, BETD is considering making roker plates for the Propulsion.
    They will make the plates if they will be able to sale some 50 pairs.

    The palates will alow a longer/changeable travel for the Propulsion.

    Get in their web-site (www.betd.co.uk), enter the chat and respond !!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TM1
    Well, BETD is considering making roker plates for the Propulsion.
    They will make the plates if they will be able to sale some 50 pairs.

    The palates will alow a longer/changeable travel for the Propulsion.

    Get in their web-site (www.betd.co.uk), enter the chat and respond !!!
    Cool! I kinda regret I didn't go for the Sabre, but I have made my choice and more travel would be great om the Propulsion! Thanks for the info.
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    Saber

    Here's the Saber I finished building last night. Got the frame used off Ebay, buffed it up a bit and added some spare parts from the bin and fes new bits. 35lbs as shown. Spec:

    19" 2004 Saber frame
    Romic shock (also have a Manitou Air 4-way)
    XT 752 cranks & BB, XT 11-32 cassette and XTR chain
    SRAM X-9 rear der.
    SRAM x-9 shifters
    SRAM X-Gen front der.
    WTB Dual Duty rims with WTB Speed Disc hubs
    Manitou Nixon Elite Coil 115-145mm
    Avid BB7 Discs
    Avid SD7 levers
    Azonic bars
    FSA stem
    Ritchey seat post
    Selle Italia ProLink Saddle
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    new ride

    Quote Originally Posted by cutthroat
    Here's the Saber I finished building last night. Got the frame used off Ebay, buffed it up a bit and added some spare parts from the bin and fes new bits. 35lbs as shown. Spec:

    19" 2004 Saber frame
    Romic shock (also have a Manitou Air 4-way)
    XT 752 cranks & BB, XT 11-32 cassette and XTR chain
    SRAM X-9 rear der.
    SRAM x-9 shifters
    SRAM X-Gen front der.
    WTB Dual Duty rims with WTB Speed Disc hubs
    Manitou Nixon Elite Coil 115-145mm
    Avid BB7 Discs
    Avid SD7 levers
    Azonic bars
    FSA stem
    Ritchey seat post
    Selle Italia ProLink Saddle
    Geax Sturdt 2.25 tires
    Cane Creek S-2 headset
    ODI lockons
    heh, heh,

    good place to make the announcement, away from those ruthless bastiges over at the turner forum-they'd be all over ya. you ride today? you've got to be itching to get on it. have you got a 5spot or a 6pack? i sure am looking forward to hearing your opinion in comparing the azonic to a turner. gonna be interesting.
    later

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    i still ride my ds1
    i use it for everything
    2003 dj1
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    Quote Originally Posted by nhodge
    heh, heh,

    good place to make the announcement, away from those ruthless bastiges over at the turner forum-they'd be all over ya. you ride today? you've got to be itching to get on it. have you got a 5spot or a 6pack? i sure am looking forward to hearing your opinion in comparing the azonic to a turner. gonna be interesting.
    later
    I posted there too, and didn't get too much abuse . My Turner is an '04 Burner, modified with XR rockers for 4" plus a Fox RP3, or a Vanilla RC when I want 4.6" of travel. I opted for the Saber to be my bigger travel bike. Haven't been able to ride yet, -10 this morning and still snowing. When I have a chance to compare I'll post an update.
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    My Propulsion isdone !!!

    well, at last, I completed building the Propulsion.

    There it is. Ready to rock.

    FRAME Azonic X-Tension Propulsion size-20" travel-4"
    REAR SHOCK 2005 Fox Float-R
    FORK ROCKSHOX 2006 Revelation 426 Air U-Turn 100-130mm
    HEADSET Chris King NoThreadset 1-1/8"
    STEM Truvativ TEAM Riserbar 31.8
    HANDLEBARS Truvativ TEAM
    GRIPS ODI Ruffian lock grips
    BRAKES AVID juicy-5 6"-rotors
    FRONT DER. Shimano LX
    REAR DER. SRAM X.9 mid
    SHIFT LEVERS SRAM X.7
    CASSETTE Shimano LX 11-34
    CHAIN Shimano LX
    CRANKSET Shimano XT hollowtech II M-760
    PEDALS Shimano 647
    RIMS DT Swiss XR-4.1
    REAR HUB Shimano LX centerlock
    FRONT HUB Shimano LX centerlock
    SPOKES DT Swiss Champion/Competition
    FRONT TIRE Kenda Nevegal 2.1 stick-E
    REAR TIRE Kenda Nevegal 1.95 dtc
    SADDLE Selle San-Marco ASPIDE GelAround
    SEAT POST FSA SL250 XC 31.6mm 350mm Black
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    Quote Originally Posted by TM1
    well, at last, I completed building the Propulsion.

    There it is. Ready to rock.

    FRAME Azonic X-Tension Propulsion size-20" travel-4"
    Wow! Nice stuff!
    What year is it on the frame?! Doesn't look like my Propulsion, yours looks more like a 5-spot!

    Congratulations or something..
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    Good job! '04 Azonic Saber (17")

    Just found this forum, so I'm chipping in mine...

    It's just about 36.5lbs, as spec'ed & shown in pic's below.


    '04 Saber 17" frame (7lbs 4oz)
    PUSH Vanilla RC Factory Race System for '02 Fox Vanilla RC shock 7.5"x2.0" (291g/body&DU&bumper + 10g/retainer ring) plus 550lbsx2.29" spring (405g/coil) plus 22mm/M8 lower-eyelet reducers (3gx2=6g) plus 4 rubber washers (3g) = 715g
    Upper-eyelet shock pin (32g)

    '05 Marzocchi All Mountain I fork with '03 Z1 FR dampers (HSCV & ETA) 130mm - 5lbs 2oz (steertube cut to 213mm, 55mm oil height, 7.5wt Maxima fork oil) + integrated fender (62g = 54g/fender + 4g/bolt + 4g/bolt)
    Chris King NoThread headset (1-1/8", 31.4mm total stack height)
    generic headset spacers (10mm/8g + 5mm/4g = 12g)

    Avid CPS mechanical disc brakes (185mm/front & 160mm/rear rotors)
    Avid SD-7 levers
    Avid Flak Jacket brake cable set (5mm housing)
    Avid Straight Jacket derailleur cable set (4mm housing)
    Jagwire Tube Tops housing covers / frame protectors

    SRAM X.9 derailleur ('medium' cage) = 247g
    SRAM X.9 trigger shifters = 252g/pair
    SRAM PC-69 chain
    SRAM Nightcrawler front derailleur cable sealer
    XT FD-M751 front derailleur (34.9mm) = 137g
    XT FC-M751 crankset (44-32-22T, 104mm/64mm, 4-bolt, with 175mm arms)
    XT BB-ES71 bottom bracket (68mm x 113mm) = 254g
    XT CS-M750 cassette (11-12-14-16-18-21-24-28-32T) = 264g
    Truvativ RockGuard (Lexan polycarbonate) bash guard (4-bolt/104mm), 142mm (5 3/4") diameter, 10mm thick = 99g/plate + 28g/bolts = 127g
    Weyless B-27 platform pedals (250g x2)

    Race Face Diabolus stem (70mm, 10-degree, 25.4mm clamp) = 296g (with bolts)
    Race Face Evolve seatpost (31.6mm x 350mm) = 292g
    Race Face Riser Bar (Air Alloy, 28", 25.4mm clamp) = 345g
    ODI Rogue Lock-On Grips = 154g
    Hope Tech QR seatost collar (34.9mm) = 52g
    WTB Laser V Stealth (147mm x 269mm) = 235g
    VDO MC1.0 cycle computer with altimeter

    Sun Single Track disc rim + XT disc hub (HB-M756-L & FH-M756-L) + DT "Champion" 14 (2.0) spokes + DT standard brass nipples with XT skewers (59g/front + 64g/rear) & 3M strapping tape = 1165g/front + 1360g/rear (all included)
    Kenda Blue Groove 2.35 tires (Stick-E, folding, 60tpi) = 753g & 757g

    Also, here are some useful Saber-related info posts...

    * If you have a 17"-frame Saber and want to run 6"-travel mode...
    HELP: Saber owners (QR seatpost clamp bottoming on rocker plate)

    * Upper-eyelet reducer/shaft piece for Saber...
    http://forums.mtbr.com/shocks-suspension/mounting-romic-shock-azonic-saber-frame-80308.html#post1210963

    * If you want to fit a Fox shock on Saber...
    http://forums.mtbr.com/downhill-freeride/azonic-saber-any-other-coil-shocks-126909.html#post1206135

    * If you ever want to fit a 5th Air shock on Saber...
    http://forums.mtbr.com/shocks-suspension/5th-element-air-shock-hardware-calculator-87984.html#post843478

    * My cable routing for Saber...
    http://forums.mtbr.com/general-discussion/help-any-diy-ideas-rear-fender-149632.html#post1398867

    * Running full-housing on Saber...
    http://forums.mtbr.com/iron-horse/2003-hollowpoint-speedhub-build-pics-195.html#post500612

    * When I first got my frame...
    '04 Azonic Saber 17"


    Too bad '04 was the last Saber in the US, though...

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    Yup, bringing up an old thread.

    I'm building up a 19" Saber right now and I'll either be using a 140mm Pike Team or 150mm Marz (04 Z150, 05-06 Z1 FR1) and I'm trying to figure out what the head angle will be with either option.

    I'll be using it for everything from XC (I don't mind the extra weight) to 4x/DJ (still learning, would like the Pike so I can lower the travel for this) to light FR/DH (drops no bigger than 4 or 5 feet to tranny and the occasional lift assisted DH run).

    I like the Pike's travel options and I don't know if I'll really notice a difference in 10mm of travel.

    Any ideas?
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    Quote Originally Posted by tgreathead
    Any ideas?
    Thanks,
    Being a owner of a Pike I can really recommend it (obviously partial, but anyway), as you said it's easy to adjust the travel and you still get the same nice, plush feeling even when turned to shortest travel.

    As you mentioned you like dirt biking, I imagine you probably also want to flip the switch and make your fork almost rigid and adjust the floodgate so that you still get suspension if you accidentally make a real hard landing!

    Even if the prices has gone up on the Pike I still think it gives most 'bang for the buck'.
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    More seasonally orientated photo. :)

    Just another foto, this is from yesterday, pretty much snow in the woods now but still possible to bike through the mush, lots of fun!
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    I got a Saber and its 99% built but I've got a serious rear brake problem. I've got the 6" Avid BB7 and it won't fit with my Powertools rear hub. I'm told that the Powertools is the same as an XT with different branding and tons of people on this forum and others have all used XT hubs with no problem. Is there something I'm missing?
    The IS mount has almost no room to get between the frame and rotor so the caliper isn't at all aligned with the rotor. The bike is at the shop right now so I can't take pictures but is there something that could be changed that the mechanic and I missed? Maybe the IS adapter is upside down or something?
    Any ideas?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tgreathead
    The IS mount has almost no room to get between the frame and rotor so the caliper isn't at all aligned with the rotor.
    My '04 Saber (17") has no prob using Avid mech-disc with XT hub. Also, I've used rear-160mm "tab" as well as rear-185mm "tab", and there were both fine. I've never used 203mm "tab" so I don't know about that myself, per se.

    I can't think of anything, but I can provide some pics here, if any help... I hope you figure it all out soon. Good luck,
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    STEELHEAD REPRESENT! steelheads are without a doubt one of the best frames i've ever ridden, i wouldn't trade mine for anything. these things are STRONG, i was doin a 10 foot drop to flat on it tonite and she just kept taking it. it's the best $99 i ever spent

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    If any of the Azonic Saber owners are in need of the shock reducer kit for a Manitou rear shock, I have a set that I am no longer using. Designed for the Saber 8x50mm and 8x22mm (and possibly other Azonic frames). The Manitou 4-way is going a different bike so I'd let the kit go for half of what I paid for it new 3 weeks ago. These reducers can be hard to run down. PM if you're interested. Thanks
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    I've beat beer cans on my limp pee pee.

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    Here's my Saber set up for trail riding.
    What a great bike!
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    Perhaps a bit OT, but here's some pictures from my trip to Moab last week:

    Porcupine rim:
    http://happymtb.org/forum/read.php/1/400294

    Slick rock:
    http://happymtb.org/forum/read.php/1/402356

    I want to go back there now!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by 42hz
    Perhaps a bit OT, but here's some pictures from my trip to Moab last week:

    Porcupine rim:
    http://happymtb.org/forum/read.php/1/400294

    Slick rock:
    http://happymtb.org/forum/read.php/1/402356

    I want to go back there now!!
    WOW, that looks amazing!! What is the elevation profile of that trail? I saw the shuttle in one of them, does that mean its mostly downhill or are there many climbs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tgreathead
    WOW, that looks amazing!! What is the elevation profile of that trail? I saw the shuttle in one of them, does that mean its mostly downhill or are there many climbs?
    Hehee.. It's even MORE amazing in real life! There's a bit climbing in the beginning, which I sure noticed since it was my first trail and I kept chipping for air as soon as it got a bit steep upward. But you will get it all back and with interest when it starts to go down and when you get to the last bit of singletrack you have forgotten all the climbing!!

    At the very last day I rode the Porcupine 'backwards' started at the end and climbed up the singletrack part and went down again, then I had got my strenght and breath back and the track was 10 times more fun to ride down! Even got my first flat tire.
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    R.I.P. (Rest In Pieces) 2004-2006. Broken frame. :(

    Broke my frame yesterday, heard strange 'klonking' sound, thought the rear swing had loosend up but it looked all right, then I noticed that the front derailleur looked loose but it too was firmly in place then to my horror I noticed the dark line straight across the tube! Broken right off!

    I hope I get it replaced by the warranty..



    Posted some more images here: http://happymtb.org/forum/read.php/1/425586/user_id=259
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    Ouch that's horrible.
    Good luck with the warranty mate, let us know how they treat you.
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    Can anyone offer some advice about sizing on a propulsion?

    Theres a good offer on here in UK for the Propulsion frame - 399, and reading what people have been saying here it sounds like a killer deal.

    Trouble is its for 20" only.
    I currently ride a 19.5" hardtail, and it suits my 6ft/185 cm highly toned body well. What sizes are other people riding?

    Ive not ridden a Fully sussed machine before so dont know whether i want to be looking big or small, long or short. Any tips? I'll mainly be doing XC and a bit of freeride - with a view to pushing boundaries and getting gnarlier!!!! Grrrrrrrrr!

    Could anyone post the length of the top tube for the 20" bike so i can compare it.

    Lets Offride!

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    I'm 188cm tall and ride a large (20") frame. I ride "trail" = aggresive-XC.
    If you will ride mostly XC, go large.

    you'll love it.

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    i'm in the same boat as 'GumboJoe'...need some info on the propulsion

    would really appreciate some geometry info..all the usual as well as the headtube length so I can work out whether my current forks will fit the sexy new frame..?

    It is one beautiful frame...

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    I've only gone and found it out myself...I AM THE GREATEST!!

    If anyone needs this info themselves its about halfway down this page

    http://www.factoryteam2racing.com/azonicframes.asp

    along with other azonic frame details...

    That seals it, I'm gonna buy one tomrrow, will be sure to let ya'll know how the building goes..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Billbaggins
    That seals it, I'm gonna buy one tomrrow
    I don't know if you have a local dealer but here in SoCal there is a shop called Wheel World that has them for super cheap. You may want to email or call them and see how much shipping would be to the UK.
    http://www.wheelworld.com

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    how cheap is super cheap??

    I can get the frame for 399 here in the UK so $750 or thereabouts...

    399 seems super cheap to me, and i have all the bits on my old bike just waiting to be swapped...

    I'll give them a mail all the same..

    Thanks for the advice!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Billbaggins
    how cheap is super cheap??

    I can get the frame for 399 here in the UK so $750 or thereabouts...

    399 seems super cheap to me, and i have all the bits on my old bike just waiting to be swapped...

    I'll give them a mail all the same..

    Thanks for the advice!
    Last time i saw it there at under $600 US...

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    New main(?) triangle.

    Finally after slightly more than a month of waiting I got the new frame, the rear and suspension was moved over from the broken frame, I hope this one holds up, first test will be some light DH on Sunday..

    //Harri

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    I have the 'Aus' version.. so it's under the Xtension name rather then Azonic.. same thing though..

    Since the photo was taken, I am now running a bashguard instead of the big ring, XT drivetrain (FD, RD), LX shifters and Oury lock-ons. Still waiting on a new rear tire. Plenty of planned upgrades for the future...
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    Disaster strikes again!

    After just two days this happens: http://happymtb.org/forum/read.php/1/460388

    My fairly new SRAM X.9 read derailleur gives up and breaks in to two pieces!
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    Saber

    Quote Originally Posted by tgreathead
    Yup, bringing up an old thread.
    tgreathead:

    First off, for the variety of rding you describe the Saber is a good all arounder except for classic DJing. I ride the same year and size frame with an 04 z150. My comments relate to this set up.

    In 6" mode the bike is blast to rip in steep sketchy sections, smooth single track descents and small-mid size drops. If you go with this combo the bike will be solid for the light FR/DH your interested in. I also use mine for urban use where I look for drops and concrete skinnies.

    The 04 z150 is heavy, 7lbs+. Yikes! But let's be honest here. Most built Azonics hover around 37 lbs, but I've seen guys post up 33lb bikes. From your post it sounds like weight is not a major concern so I'll end it there.

    Yeah but what about the HA? 6" on this bike is somewhat slack, not DH slack, just somewhat slack. The ETA is great for logging road climbs, drop it and your position becomes road like, then pop it for the descent. The head angle feels close to 2 degrees steeper in the ETA mode. ETA single track climbing is also efficient but in the limited travel mode it does pose problems where you need to clear an uphill obstacle, those situations where it would be nice to just plow through. Here the Pike might be worth considering.

    One thing about the Saber frame is that it has a longish headtube. I read somewhere that a dude took a frame cutter to the top and bottom shortening the HT by a 1/4". I wouldn't attempt it without some more advice, but perhaps its an option worth considering. Anyone experienced with doing this to a frame?

    Frame Plug and Bugged Time:
    PLUG: The Sabers are underated as a FR bike, particularly given their 5"-6" adjustability and price, $699 at wheelworld.com right now. Cheap for the FSR Patent!
    BUGGED: To bad Azonic didn't stick with the frame and work to refine it. They offer up so many different product lines, I guess dropping a frame penciled out. To bad. Bring it back Azonic!

    Let us know what route you take.
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    04 z150 Saber in Action
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    Quote Originally Posted by ghashmi
    Let us know what route you take.
    I actually finished the bike 2 weeks later, here's the build thread:
    My Saber is finally done - pics

    Since then I've done the following changes:
    Juicy 7's
    DHX 5
    EX321/XT wheelset (going on today)
    Firm Pike springs (going in tomorrow)

    I love this bike. I haven't really pursued DJing yet but out local spot basically has a mile long pump track. I use 5" mode up there and on XC rides, can't complain at all. I swap to 6" for anything more serious. My shock is set up for 6" so when I switch to 5 it just has a little give. I've found the Pike to be too soft for my riding so I'm throwing in the firm springs to see how they feel.
    I tend to overbuild bikes and my Saber's been pushing about 40. The new wheels are an effort to lighten it up a bit.

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    A quick update on my '04 Azonic Saber (17") upgrades

    Just a quick update on my '04 Azonic Saber (17") upgrades...

    I just installed a new fork, which is a slightly-used '05 Marzocchi Z1 FR1 (150mm, HSCV, Air-Preload, rebound, ETA). This is (finally!) my 1st thru-axle fork. With thru-axle, I also finally up'ed the front rotor to 203mm from 185mm. For the new front thru-axle wheel, I picked a Hadley hub, but the rim (Sun Single Track) & spoke (2.0/straight) are spec'ed the same as before.

    I've not even had a good test ride in yet, but it's on the way to Whistler (my 1st time) now for a fun one-week trip. I just wish I had some time to dial it all in beforehand, though...

    Other misc. items that got swapped since my last post are a shorter Diabolous stem (50mm down from previous 75mm) for a nicer/tighter-feeling cockpit and a bigger WTB Power V DH Race saddle with stronger 8mm cromo rails ('cause my WTB Stealth Laser V's Ti rails failed twice).

    It's 36lbs 13oz, as pictured below.

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    PiroChu, did you do something to the finish of the bike? It looks like brushed metal as opposed to the polished way it comes. It looks awesome that way, if there's one thing I could change about by bike it would be to do the same thing, make it brushed instead of polished.

    Looks good

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    brushed, maybe by all my falls/crashes ?

    Quote Originally Posted by tgreathead
    PiroChu, did you do something to the finish of the bike? It looks like brushed metal as opposed to the polished way it comes.

    Hi tgreathead,

    Hummm, interesting... I haven't particularly done anything to the frame "finish", except to peel off all the stickers the day I got the frame.

    Below are some old pic's of my '04 frame when it was fresh out of the box. Does it look like yours (or "polished")?

    Maybe it was just my pic's above (w/ bad shade/shadow?) that made it look like it's been "brushed", I wonder? Unless, well, the only "brushing" I've done to my frame is from all the crashes/falls (and plenty of such), hahahah...

    Oh, and, if you have some new pic's of yours with the recent updates, pls post 'em, too.

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    It must have just been the shade, those frame pics look the same as mine.

    No pics with the new setup yet but I'll take some this weekend when I ride. I'm big into photography and many of the guys I ride with aren't so many times no one wants to stop and take my picture, but they don't complain when I take theirs

    Might have to set up a little self-timer action...

    What's the weight of your current build?

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    36~37lbs (coil/coil) or 33~34lbs (air/air)

    Quote Originally Posted by tgreathead
    What's the weight of your current build?
    With the recent upgrades, mine (as pictured above) is now just a few ounces under 37lbs, which is up from previous 36.5lbs (as pictured further above). If I put 2.5 tires & fatter rims (and an even-bigger fork), I'm sure it'll quickly get closer to the 40lbs mark.


    By the way, somebody mentioned above something about a 33lbs Saber. Just for kicks, mine was 33.5lbs when I had an air/air setup with Fox TALAS fork & 5th Air shock (as pictured here).

    http://forums.mtbr.com/shocks-suspension/5th-element-air-shock-hardware-calculator-87984.html#post843478




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    Sorry guys, moving on...

    After getting a third crack on the frame I realize the Propulsion frame won't make it on the trails I'm doing. Too bad since I think it's a very, very nice frame.

    This time in the swing. http://happymtb.org/forum/read.php/1/203298/page=15

    So I'm now waiting for my Reign frame that seems to be lost in transit somewhere in southern Sweden. It's going to be interesting to se how the Giant will hold up, can't say I'm unhappy to get almost twice as much rear travel compared to the Propulsion.

    Did some quick research here on MTBR and it seems hard to find any negative opinions on the reign frame, if some, it's about the, a bit unprotected rear shock.

    I hope all your bikes hold up better than mine!
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    hey all, i secured my propulsion a bit more than a month ago...done some decent trail riding...love it thus far.

    only prob. 18.5 inch frame and i'm abit less than 5'8", so its a bit big for me...and i'm planning on freeriding this frame...think its too big?


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    I'm assuming this is your only bike.

    I have an Azonic Saber whic I use for mild FR. My gut opinion is that your propulsion might not be the best set up for FR with its limited travel. But don't let that stop you from experimenting and having fun. There are plent of hardtail riders out there that go huge (albeit on beefy frames and bigger forks).

    If it feels big make sure your saddle is dropped and consider throwing on a shorter stem.
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    yeah only bike...

    thanks for the info...yeah 4" of travel is an inch less than i'd want...
    however, i have to climb to get to the down around here and i'm scared the saber will be a pig on climbs...friends ride intense5.5, SC blurLt...will the saber keep up with these uphill??

    i'm seriously considering a saber...but the propulsion werks so well on all mountain right now..

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    Quote Originally Posted by SHOGUN
    yeah only bike...

    thanks for the info...yeah 4" of travel is an inch less than i'd want...
    however, i have to climb to get to the down around here and i'm scared the saber will be a pig on climbs...friends ride intense5.5, SC blurLt...will the saber keep up with these uphill??

    i'm seriously considering a saber...but the propulsion werks so well on all mountain right now..
    It will all depend on your riding style but the Propulsion would not be enough travel for me to ride FR. My Saber is a pig (about 40 pounds) but I've seen many Sabers on this forum that get into the mid to low 30's with the right build, just look at PiroChu's. I still use my Saber to climb but nothing epic. I've also heard some sad stories about the Propulsion not being beefy enough to handle FR and guys snapping frames so be careful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SHOGUN
    i have to climb to get to the down around here and i'm scared the saber will be a pig on climbs...friends ride intense5.5, SC blurLt...will the saber keep up with these uphill??
    Hi SHOGUN,

    Like tgreathead said, it all depends on how you set up a Saber.


    Quote Originally Posted by tgreathead
    just look at PiroChu's.
    For example, with an "air/air" setup, you can get it down to about 33lbs (or even less with lighter carbon stuff), and that figure shouldn't particularly discourage you from climbing like a goat with your friends...



    On the other hand, with a "coil/coil" setup, it'll be about 36~37lbs, and easily be about 40lbs with more-appropriate DH tubes & DH-casing tires. I'm not the strongest/fastest climber, but I still get up there on my current 40lbs setup. (You know, "slowly"...)




    As for fully-FR'ing your Propulsion, I'm not too sure, either. For example, I found out the hard way that Saber's linkage "pin" for the main rocker-plate bearings is made of alum (not steel), and consists of multi-pieces (not one-piece). I think it's because this pin is designed to go thru the alum "tabs" that are welded onto the seattube (as opposed to the pin going "thru" the seattube itself, as seen with Kona & many other rocker-plate frames). Anyway, since Azonic spec'ed it like that for Saber, I'm guessing that it's possibly the same (or even worse/weaker) with Propulsion...?

    http://forums.mtbr.com/downhill-freeride/help-04-azonic-saber-broken-linkage-pin-weakest-link-alum-208751.html#post2051531





    By the way, if I break this "pin" assembly again, I'm thinking of picking up some steel shoulder bolts (x2; one on each side separately) to replace these pieces next time. Yet, I'm also afraid that the steel bolts might ovalize the alum tabs...?




    Cheers,
    - PiroChu
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    TGEARHEAD, thanks for the warning...i don't think i'll do any real freerides with this frame..

    PIROCHU, a friend of mine runs a titanium bolt/screw etc business...he claims its possible to replace every "bolt" with a titanium counter part...think this could solve the problem or would this also ruin the aluminum?
    btw how tall are you? or inseam wise...i don't want to chase a saber if the 17" is too tall for me as well.
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    PiroChu - how did you get that shiny finish on your Saber, I want to do that to mine as its looking very tired

    http://www.djwilko.fotopic.net/p30519958.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by sgtwilko
    PiroChu - how did you get that shiny finish on your Saber, I want to do that to mine as its looking very tired

    Hi sgtwilko,

    I actually didn't do anything to the finish on my Saber. Must've been the shade/color in my pic's...

    http://forums.mtbr.com/custom-dh-fr-urban-builders/azonic-riders-step-right-98238-post2015364.html

    Cheers,
    - PiroChu

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    whoa, did some singletrack and freeride at Ringwood in Jersey....

    i'm shocked the propulsion felt solid...however the romic didn't last...

    it blew out...i think i had it adjusted wrong + when i started i saw a bit of oil leaking from bottom adjuster!

    oh well...nevertheless, i'm pretty confident with only 4" of travel...can't wait till i try the 5-6 of a saber...

    i think i'll take the plunge.

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    '04 Saber FTW!

    Here is my '04. Anyone know where I can actually order some bushings for a Swinger and who still has hardware kits? Damn Azonic doesn't like to talk to its' customers....

    Regardless, this bikes is an amazing handler at high speed, climbs "like a goat" and keeps up with my friends Devinci 8 flat 8 on the steep rocky stuff.

    I wish they could distribute the new version in the states, I love the hosrt link action...
    http://www.cyclesolutions.com.au/products/frames.htm
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    update...

    i've replaced the blown romic with another romic, but with a ti spring, and proper sag setup etc...the ti spring is a 1/3 of the weight..it really doesn't matter to me anymore..

    bombing fireroads, single track, a couple of 3-4 foot drops and the propulsion amazes me...

    only question i have is...whats up with my rear derailuer hitting the chainstay..i've tightened it however, as i'm flying down i hear some hitting???

    nevertheless, this bike can take some abuse! I'm going to strip the weak stickers...they are failing.

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    My Steel Head from Spain ---- Barcelona





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    Quote Originally Posted by TM1
    Well, BETD is considering making roker plates for the Propulsion.
    They will make the plates if they will be able to sale some 50 pairs.

    The palates will alow a longer/changeable travel for the Propulsion.

    Get in their web-site (www.betd.co.uk), enter the chat and respond !!!

    this is cool...i posted...and as soon as they make'em, i'm buying!! everyone with a propulsion should post on their chat area!!!! lets get this going!!

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    Hey PITTAR,

    that steelhead looks sick!!! how does it do going downhill?? looks like you have alot of front travel...

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    Love My Saber

    Just had to post an update with some fresh pics...

    Just picked up and broke in a Swinger 6-way and a Rock Shox Domain 318 Fork. So far so good, the compression adjustment is trick and the Motion Control damping makes drops nice and progressive.

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    Saber New Life

    From on Saber Owner to another...Like the setup. The line is dicontinued, did you get the frame recently, I know wheelworld carries the product.
    Were looking at balz

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    Hear is my bike

    Hi my name is yaron and Im from israel
    I just broke my 5.5 after working them too hard/
    I took the Xtention Explor
    I put DHX air in the rear
    and fox 36 rc2 in the front .
    Full xt
    I took them to my DH course were i ride my 5.5 before
    It was great
    only today i learnd that I roode it 5 int'
    Cnat wait to ride it 6 int'
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    I love that bike

    Quote Originally Posted by yarondot
    Hi my name is yaron and Im from israel
    I just broke my 5.5 after working them too hard/
    I took the Xtention Explor
    I put DHX air in the rear
    and fox 36 rc2 in the front .
    Full xt
    I took them to my DH course were i ride my 5.5 before
    It was great
    only today i learnd that I roode it 5 int'
    Cnat wait to ride it 6 int'
    the ride is great

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