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    Quote Originally Posted by tripnox View Post
    Medium. I'm 5'-8" with a 30" inseam. The bike handles waaaay better than my 17.5 Rockhopper 29er that I sold.
    Thanks. I'm thinking the 19.5 would fit me (5'10", 28.75" saddle height).
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    Thee Official Soma Thread

    Alright you Soma lovers, tell me why or why not for the Soma B-Side as a single speed race build. I currently ride and race an El Mariachi in SS and think the 650B tire size is perfect for my 5'8" frame. Tell me why this is or isn't a better choice than a S.I.R.9 or something similar from Niner.

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    Steel might give up some pedalling stiffness and be heavier when compared to alloy and carbon frames. But you're comparing it to the steel Niner.

    If you like 650s, do it!

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    I am planning on taking my double cross on an offroad tour round Borneo next year - Officially Soma say 38's are the widest tires it will take with fender but looking at the fork I reckon I could get a 2" 29er tire in there no problem and a 1.75 (44 - 45) rear with no fender - anyone any experience with running wide tires - what works and what doesn't would be useful?

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    42mm rear tire is really pushing it on the back of a Double Cross. It's enough to where mud packed up will begin to scrape the paint off the seatstays and chainstays.

    And the bike doesnt handle so well with bigger tires. Ends up really top heavy with anything more than 35mm tires and tends to loop out easily on climbs.

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    I'm sorta looking for a 2013 Juice (the dirty nickel one) in the 19.5" size--it seems the other sizes are available, but not this one. Any leads?

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    Other than color, are the 2013 and 2014 Juice frames the same?

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    No, the biggest change in the 2014 model is a tapered headtube. They also state "optimized for 100mm forks" but I haven't compared the numbers to see a what that might entail. I would love to see a brown one built up. I've only seen frame pictures on a white background. Hard to tell stay it will really look like.

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    Thanks for the reply. That's what I needed to know.

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    Re: Thee Official Soma Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by KylesCog View Post
    No, the biggest change in the 2014 model is a tapered headtube. They also state "optimized for 100mm forks" but I haven't compared the numbers to see a what that might entail. I would love to see a brown one built up. I've only seen frame pictures on a white background. Hard to tell stay it will really look like.
    I don't believe it's actually tapered. They say you can run a straight steerer with a zero stack headset or a tapered steerer with a zero stack top and external bottom. They specify exactly what bottom, i don't remember the details.

    Also, the dirty nickel was also "optimized" for the 100mm fork.

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    So I'm feeling the desire to put together a B-side for some fastish, carvy, not too technical trail riding.

    Front squish and Gears. I loved my Groove as a Commuter, never gave me a problem and rode like a dream, but for a clyde riding hard off road, would the B-side be a wise choice as a trail bike?

    Or should I go for something more sturdy?

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    Anyone here have a Soma road bike?

    I really want one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FastBanana View Post
    Anyone here have a Soma road bike?

    I really want one.
    I built up a Smoothie ES for a friend on a budget-turned out pretty nice. Decently made, lightweight steel frame-prep work was minimal and it went together easily.

    (He's tall-that steerer is uncut)

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    B-Side, didn't realize there was a SOMA thread.

    just build this a few weeks ago.. haven't been able to get on the trails yet with it, hopefully this week since there is no rain in the forcast!
    super happy with the build and turned out lighter than the 26" SS it replaced.

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    now I need to get one of those cool replacement headbadges!

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    Quote Originally Posted by FastBanana View Post
    Soma road bike?
    Here's three of the bunch built in my shop over the years (I apologize for the poor quality of the photos). The Smoothie, Smoothie ES, and the SS all build up into extraordinary bikes. Two of those shown were built with Campy Record 11.
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    My Surly doesn't compare to the ride quality of my Soma. I expect to be back on a Wolverine or Double Cross by years end.

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    I loved the ride of my Juice--super smooth. However, I found no real difference between the ride of my Surly Cross Check and the Double Cross. I compared them here:

    Bikes and Playgrounds: Soma Double Cross vs. Surly Cross Check Comparison


    Quote Originally Posted by Agwan View Post
    My Surly doesn't compare to the ride quality of my Soma. I expect to be back on a Wolverine or Double Cross by years end.

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    That was an interesting read. I was also coming from a MTB, the groove. and it was just so perfect in terms of being supple and responsive. the Straggler is so much stiffer and less intuitive. maybe that's just the nature of the frame style. I did notice the points you'd made about the Double Cross, I'm hoping this up-coming batch addresses some of them (most importantly to me, the cheap, ugly rear drops)

    If it doesn't the Soma Wolverine would.

    but if there is no real difference, why change.

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    Lots of Soma love here at work:



    My black Soma Groove (Reynolds tubing), set up SS. My coworker's blue Soma Groove and Soma Smoothie ES.

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    I'm thinking of a Wolverine with Alfine 8.

    Would the Alfine 8 cranksets fit?

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    It is a good bet it will. most gravel grinder type bikes are designed with road components in mind.

    that being said the Alfine crank is super duper not special. so if it doesn't there is a pile of cranks out there that will.

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    Well I already have the Alfine parts so hope it fits. Don't wanna spend on another set of cranks.

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    I know it's only been available a short time, but has anyone got some time in on a Wolverine frame yet? What are your impressions? How's the sizing? I'm 5"9" and have been on a 56cm Cross Check that I find just a bit too big. Can't decide whether the 52 or 54 Wolverine would be a better fit. The 54 isn't all that different from a 56 CC. I'm ordering online and don't have anywhere to try a Soma frame out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by emat View Post
    I know it's only been available a short time, but has anyone got some time in on a Wolverine frame yet? What are your impressions? How's the sizing? I'm 5"9" and have been on a 56cm Cross Check that I find just a bit too big. Can't decide whether the 52 or 54 Wolverine would be a better fit. The 54 isn't all that different from a 56 CC. I'm ordering online and don't have anywhere to try a Soma frame out.
    you and i are in the same boat! i was going to order the 56 then i looked at the specs and not i'm leaning more towards the 54!
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    I've ordered a 54. Should be here in a week or so, then it's off to the powder coaters straight away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by emat View Post
    I've ordered a 54. Should be here in a week or so, then it's off to the powder coaters straight away.
    The orange is so sweet though!
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    Quote Originally Posted by iphilrive View Post
    The orange is so sweet though!
    Orange is amazing, on other people's bikes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by emat View Post
    I've ordered a 54. Should be here in a week or so, then it's off to the powder coaters straight away.
    How does the 54 fit? I'm on a 52 AllCity NB (550 tt), and wondering which size Wolverine I would be. I'm leaning towards the 52, but worried about toe overlap. How's yours fir? Any pics? Thanks!

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    Still waiting for this frame to arrive. The 54 is hard to come by right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Afol View Post
    I'm thinking of a Wolverine with Alfine 8.

    Would the Alfine 8 cranksets fit?
    I just found out...it fits ... barely

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    I am loving my Soma Wolverine, worlds different from the Straggler.

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    I was deciding to buy the Wolverine or the Strangler. Got the Wolverine because of the rear drop outs and local availability.

    Care to elaborate on the differences between the 2?

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    My Wolverine build version one

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    Quote Originally Posted by Afol View Post
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    What size is that? How tall are you? I'm 5'9" and torn between the 52 & 54. On a 52 nature boy now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RPG View Post
    What size is that? How tall are you? I'm 5'9" and torn between the 52 & 54. On a 52 nature boy now.
    I ride a 56 and I ordered a 54 so I hope that fits!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Afol View Post
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    That is a Size 50. I'm 173cm about 5'6" I think

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    Yup I have a Jones and its great. Got the Soma because I have a set of Alfine collecting dust so might as well build it up.

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    Any Double Cross Disc owners can help me out? What's the current 2014 DCD front derailleur clamp size?

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    being that it has never ever changed in the history of ever for virtually everything Soma has ever made, I'm gonna say 28.6 is a super safe bet.

    Also, they list these things on the product pages of the manufacturers website. Soma has the info under FAQs.

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    Thanks for the info. I can't find any campy front D that fits. Looks like only Shimano ...

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    Or you could spend a few dollars on a shim.

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    Does anyone have a real world comparison between the new Wolverine and the Salsa Vaya? Any experience in riding both bikes and might want to share their observations?
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    Quote Originally Posted by hydrogeek View Post
    Does anyone have a real world comparison between the new Wolverine and the Salsa Vaya? Any experience in riding both bikes and might want to share their observations?
    I was hoping someone with more experience than me would respond. Apparently that won't be happening. So I guess I am as good as you'll get.

    In my 15 minutes riding the Vaya I was able to see that it rode like cheap 4130. Which honestly isn't bad. but it's nothing special. The Vaya is definitely stiffer, But more relaxed in terms of handling.

    The Vaya Rides like a Vaya. Which is to say it rides like a touring bike. While I wasn't blown away by it, I also wasn't disappointed. It is what it is and it was not right for me. I also wasn't a huge fan of the price to quality ratio. but it's a solid bike at an average price. I just find Soma to be a better value, especially since I always build from the frame up.

    The Wolverine would make an excellent tourer, but like all these "gravel grinder" bicycles, that is not what it is at it's heart.

    It's an XC mountain bike. At the core of it. These "hip new designs" are a great way to repackage the speedy, light duty rigid MTB's that marketing told us were inadequate in the late 90's. But frankly, people never stopped wanting them.

    Now, most of these "gravel grinders" are unabashedly MTBs. The Surly Straggler for example. It's right at home with knobbies on a dirt trail. (having owned a Straggler, it was not the right bike for me. At least for my build. I wanted a fat guy road bike. a super commuter. And the wolverine did that better. That being said, I might buy another Straggler one day. but it will be dressed in full time Knobbies and geared for the trail. Which means a Karate Monkey would probably be the better choice. anyways, back on topic)

    More than most gravel grinders, the wolverine seems to be built for street. which is in no way a negative. It has a substantially more forgiving ride and snappier handling.

    I'd say if you're Touring. and touring with a heavy, 80+ pound load for more than 100 miles a day. I'd go with the Vaya, in spite of a harsher ride it is just an easier bike to cruise along with. Less mental effort. and when buried in cargo, it's ride will most likely soften.

    If you're doing light touring here and there. and the bike will have other uses. I'd go with the Wolverine. I bought it as a Daily Driver. and I'm happy with it in that roll.

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    Anyone know if a Dirt Wizard 2.75" tire will fit in the rear of an Analog?

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    no, the capacity is for a tire 2.4, maximum 2.5

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    That's the stated fit, but there's often some margin there. People report being able to fit a DW in the back of the B side, and it sure looks like the rear triangle is just about the same.

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    no, the capacity is for a tire 2.4, maximum 2.5

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    Quote Originally Posted by seat_boy View Post
    That's the stated fit, but there's often some margin there. People report being able to fit a DW in the back of the B side, and it sure looks like the rear triangle is just about the same.
    I have an analog with continental tires 26x2.2 race king, are like 56cm wide, well you've ridden maxxis 26x 2.25 CROSSMARK are 57cm wide, the manufacturer says that for a 2.4, meaning that as 62 cm wide, truth is there is room, but would not know whether to say 2.75. suddenly becomes very attached to the frame.

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    Thanks Agwan for the reply. I have a Vaya that I built up a year ago and it doesn't really get ridden much. I wanted a machine that could do it all, you know, commute, tour, gravel roads, light XC. I have tried it all except touring so far and it doesn't seem to do anything well. I tend to like my Soma DC much better. That has me wondering if a Wolverine might be a better tool than the Vaya for my needs.

    My DC is setup for commuting with 32mm tires, fenders and a front rack. It feels better riding it and out of the saddle climbing than on the Vaya and I think that is due to the very tall head tube on the Vaya compared to the DC. To me the Vaya seems 1) sluggish and I think that is a due to the longer wheelbase and 2) seems less stable with the very tall headtube. The handle bars on the Vaya are about 1 1/2" higher than the DC. I can fix that with some changes of the stem and spacers, but the slugishness can't be changed.

    The other thing interests me is that the Wolverine seems to have more tire clearance than the Vaya. I have a 650b wheel set for my Vaya with 2.1" tires for off-road duties and it works, but suffers about a 3/8" bottom bracket drop in height compared to running 40mm x 700c tires on my other wheelset. Seems like the Wolverine can handle 2.1" tires at 700c.

    I don't anticipate heavy touring, but I am planning an off-road tour next year that will be about 70% dirt and 30% pavement over about 5 days. I keep telling myself, let's get through Christmas and New Yearís first and then think about buying a new frameset. Let's see how that goes :-)
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