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    Sycip question

    I love my Ventana. But, I'm historically a steel frame lover. The only way for me to get into my current El Salt frame was Ventana's trade in program. I feel the frame is perfectly built for general trail and xc riding. But...the Double Dribble is just...so...pretty...
    Does anyone know the duribility of the Sycip DD? Can it take the beating that it's full Ventana counterpart can take?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumpfy
    I love my Ventana. But, I'm historically a steel frame lover. The only way for me to get into my current El Salt frame was Ventana's trade in program. I feel the frame is perfectly built for general trail and xc riding. But...the Double Dribble is just...so...pretty...
    Does anyone know the duribility of the Sycip DD? Can it take the beating that it's full Ventana counterpart can take?
    It's going to be hard to know the durability or the longevity of the Double Dribble... cause it just came out. I have a couple of data points though that should help:

    - Ray-ray has been riding one it is spectacular. Build quality is awesome and rigidity and stiffness is great. I rode it a couple of times and you can't telll it's steel or aluminum. It just feels solid.

    - Steel is durable. The new steels they use, I think they use 853 are really good. They are less prone to dents than aluminum. Wiegle framesaver is always a good idea but probably not required on the west coast.

    - Finally, Sycip quality is just top-notch. I've known those boys for the last 10 years and welds and quality has always been the best. I know 3 avid riders who've had their Sycips for at least 4 years and every one just keeps on ticking.

    francois

    p.s. That being said, I'm not quite sure what the riding difference and advantage of the double dribble will be from the El Salt. Brand loyalty, custom size, and looks for sure. But ride quality... don't know.

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    It definately takes a beating....

    I have had mine only since August but, I have clocked numerous hours on it. "Francois" nailed it perfectly "It just feels solid.". It is pretty light as well. most of my friends who find out that it is chromoly think it has to be super heavy, until they pick it up. My DD is right around 26.5 lbs (depending on the tires). Although I am no lightweight, at 230 it is holding up well under me.

    My DD is, by the way, my second SyCip. I also have a Diesel SS. Jay and Jeremy are awesome to work with and build some of the best bikes IMHO.

    Good Luck in your decision!

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    chiming in...

    i'm ray-ray as francois referred to me as.

    I'm not sure of the huge differences between the 2. I had a z1cr on my elsalt and now I have a FOX Talas on the Double Dribble. One thing I can say is that the Sycip is 'snappy', very maneuverable. Incredibly responsive. It's got full XTR and is much lighter. Is it the frame or the components? Really hard to tell. The fork on the El Salt was heavy and cush, and the Talas has quicker rebound. Loved them both equally like a first and second child.

    Incidentally, I'm selling the Sycip for more travel.The 5 inch X5. (my third child). Everyone seems to be going five these days.

    good luck, below are pics.
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    my second ventana/sycip, a frankenstein of 2 bay area builders, the double dribble.

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    That DD is amazing. Beautiful bike. It's making me cry a little bit. As long as the wheels are King, I wouldn't change a thing.

    I'm plenty happy with my Venty. Sherwood and Theresa have given me the best customer service. I can't justify a change. I say 'change' because it can't quite be called an 'upgrade'...
    But my affinity for steel framed bikes....*sigh*
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    On another note...
    ElSalto, whose lugs are those on your avatar? Sachs?
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    Quote Originally Posted by francois
    They are less prone to dents than aluminum. Wiegle framesaver is always a good idea but probably not required on the west coast.
    Well, the current high-end tubesets like the 853 and Foco from Columbus won't need framesaver to last for ages. These tubes are high alloyed steels with enough Chromo in them to make them nearly as rustproof as stainless steel.

    Nevertheless, use it and you'll be sure of a ride for a lifetime.


    Btw. That grey-ish DD up above.. is one of the sweetest XC FS bikes i've seen so far. Im not that into suspension rides and ride rigid forks on my bikes. Though, if I would opt for a XC FS bike, the DD would be a very very good canditate.


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    Donkekus,
    It's a Rivendell. Sweet bikes.

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    Thanks Rumpfy. Sherwood and Teresa rule. I agree, there are no upgrades to a Ventana as far as fs bikes. Sherwood's attention to detail is impeccable. He was a rocket scientist after all. (well... airplanes).

    Sycip buys the rear triangle from Ventana, so it's a joint effort. I think it's smart and if steel builders decide to build their own fs, they can just license or buy the Ventana design. It's pretty cool seeing the collaboration.

    - elsalty

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    Exactly. Like two bikes in one without being disloyal to either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeDwarf
    Well, the current high-end tubesets like the 853 and Foco from Columbus won't need framesaver to last for ages. These tubes are high alloyed steels with enough Chromo in them to make them nearly as rustproof as stainless steel.

    JB
    Not true, they still need framesaver.

    I've 3 columbus bikes and an 853 bike that all need to be framesavered, this per the tubing mfg.

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    funny, since I own and ride some steel frames. One has framesaver, the others don't. I ride in wet conditions throughout the wintersaison and have never had any sorts of problems with rust forming. I also read something about the do's and don'ts on current high end steels where I found that out too. Will have a look if I can find it again.


    Have a good X-mass everyone!


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    Hey, ElSalt (RayRay?): What color is that DD?

    Quote Originally Posted by elsaltamontes

    my second ventana/sycip, a frankenstein of 2 bay area builders, the double dribble.
    If you are out there, could you tell me which color your Sycip DD is? Is it Ash? That is a cool color! I'm looking at Sycip for a 29er and I've got to say that color makes me want to hand them my credit card right now.

    Thanks!

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    Yup, ash.

    It's been a while since I ordered it. The color is sweet. Here's a closer look. I saw the bike at Interbike and on their site. Fell in love instantly and ordered it and I wanted it exactly as I saw it. which was this color.



    On another note, I checked out your profile because I thought the name was familiar. Sure enough you have an All Rounder Rivendell. My commuter/ touring/ ride-with-wife-bike is an All Rounder. are you my long lost twin?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AllRounder
    If you are out there, could you tell me which color your Sycip DD is? Is it Ash? That is a cool color! I'm looking at Sycip for a 29er and I've got to say that color makes me want to hand them my credit card right now.

    Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by elsaltamontes
    It's been a while since I ordered it. The color is sweet. Here's a closer look. I saw the bike at Interbike and on their site. Fell in love instantly and ordered it and I wanted it exactly as I saw it. which was this color.
    Thanks, ElSalt! If I was deciding based on color, this would be easy. That "ash" is a fantastic color. I'm looking at 29er hardtail frames from SyCip or IF or Seven (steel with S&S couplings) or Strong or Seven (ti, to be retrofitted with couplings later). I've been selling off my old bikes and saving for a year, so I'm not going to rush the decision. But it will probably be either Boston or the Bay-area for this one. That said, I will likely go with IF or Seven, since my LBS sells them and I want to keep them in business.


    Quote Originally Posted by elsaltamontes
    On another note, I checked out your profile because I thought the name was familiar. Sure enough you have an All Rounder Rivendell. My commuter/ touring/ ride-with-wife-bike is an All Rounder. are you my long lost twin?
    Unless you are a geeky-looking 6-footer with bad teeth, I doubt we are twins! But you obviously have impeccable taste in bikes. The pea green color was my second choice with the Rivendell. I'll be posting my own Riv avatar sometime soon, with a close-up of my light blue AR's lugs. They are the best, and I have to admit that something keeps pulling me back to the Bay-area builders like Riv and SyCip.

    Thanks again!

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