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    ... and if we just ... Seven Duo Compilation

    Thought I'd move my Duo into its own thread to do it justice. I bought this Seven Signature size 18" frame and built it up with a lot of titanium in thinking it'd be my trophy bike (I've got other bikes I can ride). As it turns out the bike rides so well that it's becoming my main choice for a lot of the longer techy rides.

    Despite some very aggresive riding everything has held up great except that my Fox Talas RLC has decided to no longer lockout. Note that this is one of my several bikes that sport Morati titanium cranks and they've held up great for my riding. Lots of other ti parts on the bike as well... ti King headset, ti Litespeed stem, Moots ti post, etc.

    To me, this well may be the ultimate titanium full-suspension rig.
























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    Socal cave shot.


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    Hey Term...

    Where did you get the 'chromed' mtbr sticker? That is cool. Very nice boinger by the way!

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    Tam,
    That is one very fine bike indeed. I have seen some pictures of you riding it - Looks like it can take a good hammering on the trails.

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    Where to find bossless Fox forks? Niiiice.
    How da ya like the Moratis?

    Nice nice nice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by loonyOne
    Where did you get the 'chromed' mtbr sticker? That is cool. Very nice boinger by the way!
    I got the sticker from Francis personally when we were both up at Downieville. It's a very nice sticker fer shure. :-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by donkekus
    Where to find bossless Fox forks? Niiiice.
    How da ya like the Moratis?

    Nice nice nice.

    If you ever want to adopt a 22 year old kid from S.F. shoot me a line!
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    The Fox is an OEM model and they're all bossless (I think). The Moratis have worked very well for me through some pretty harsh riding conditions. One of my sets are heavily scratched from scraping boulders/rocks and they've continued to hold up thus far.

    As for adoption, I'm going to be a father in a few months so I don't think there'll be a need but I'll keep you in mind. ;-)

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    ANy idea where to get some Helions.... everywhere has sold out & They're not making 'em anymore :-(

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corky3
    ANy idea where to get some Helions.... everywhere has sold out & They're not making 'em anymore :-(
    I met with the people who makes the Titec titanium products when I went to Interbike. If there are 20 people interested we could probably get another batch of Hellions made. ;-)


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    I'd take one, as you know though am located in Europe but quite happy to pay additional shipping....

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    Maybe we could come up with our own logo rather than Titec for them..... TERMINAUTERS?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corky3
    Maybe we could come up with our own logo rather than Titec for them..... TERMINAUTERS?
    Heheh... Yeah - it would definitely have a non-Titec logo and of course there's also the option of making them wider (can always cut them down to desired length after purchase). They wanted a minimum order of 20 before they would make any so if anybody else wants to commit to one let me know and I'll determine whether we can pursue it. I didn't get a cost offhand, but most likely it'd be cheaper than whatever Titec was selling it for.

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    Tam:

    how do they measure the seat post angle on the duo? is it the obvious WYSIWYG or is there a virtual angle?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SlowSSer
    Tam:

    how do they measure the seat post angle on the duo? is it the obvious WYSIWYG or is there a virtual angle?
    The angle on the seat tube is 73 degrees and measured the same way as any other bike, I believe. Some people don't like the extreme angle, but I actually prefer it as it gets the seat out of the way when you lower it completely.

    Check out this setup with the Maverick fork. It sort of "complicates" the bike's lines a little, but still looks pretty nice!




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    Actually, term, it changes with saddle height

    Quote Originally Posted by terminaut
    The angle on the seat tube is 73 degrees and measured the same way as any other bike, I believe. Some people don't like the extreme angle, but I actually prefer it as it gets the seat out of the way when you lower it completely.
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    Geez, I might be down for some Hellions, if the price is right. Keep me posted.
    Thnx

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    Seven/Maverick

    this is the bike that I demo'd at Interbike. It was sweet, 'cept that Maverick bobbed a lot on the standing climbs. Otherwise it was amazing

    I'd be down for some ti bars as well. 20 should be fairly easy to round up I'd think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by terminaut
    The angle on the seat tube is 73 degrees and measured the same way as any other bike, I believe. Some people don't like the extreme angle, but I actually prefer it as it gets the seat out of the way when you lower it completely.

    Check out this setup with the Maverick fork. It sort of "complicates" the bike's lines a little, but still looks pretty nice!




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    Tam, get one of them forks, beat on it, and give us a review.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zonic Man
    Tam, get one of them forks, beat on it, and give us a review.
    ...But I really like the feel and functionality of my TALAS!!!

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    Term, I'd be interested in another Hellion bar if it was under 100 bucks.

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    I'd be up for a Hellion bar too. The wider the better.

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    Very nice...

    Good photos too, especially the mood on one that looks like it was shot on Tri-X, but then again from the aspect ratio it looks like you used a digital camera. Is it a little soft though?

    Have a Sola myself, and have thought long and hard about a full-boinger, but for the moment the moolahs are lacking, and the retro-grouch in me keeps preventing me from introducing additional complexity to my bikes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joeadnan
    Good photos too, especially the mood on one that looks like it was shot on Tri-X, but then again from the aspect ratio it looks like you used a digital camera. Is it a little soft though?

    Have a Sola myself, and have thought long and hard about a full-boinger, but for the moment the moolahs are lacking, and the retro-grouch in me keeps preventing me from introducing additional complexity to my bikes.
    Most of the photos I post are taken with a cheap(ish) Casio Exilim digital camera nowadays. It doesn't always get the quality shot that I'd like, but it's very convenient to carry on the rides.

    As a (mainly) singlespeeder, I can appreciate the notion of avoiding complexities on bikes. :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by terminaut
    Heheh... Yeah - it would definitely have a non-Titec logo and of course there's also the option of making them wider (can always cut them down to desired length after purchase). They wanted a minimum order of 20 before they would make any so if anybody else wants to commit to one let me know and I'll determine whether we can pursue it. I didn't get a cost offhand, but most likely it'd be cheaper than whatever Titec was selling it for.
    I am in for a set of wider riser bars.... Just let me know when, I am good for it.

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    Titec Hell-Bent Hellion XC TI

    Add me to the list. I sent you an e-mail

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    Quote Originally Posted by terminaut
    Heheh... Yeah - it would definitely have a non-Titec logo and of course there's also the option of making them wider (can always cut them down to desired length after purchase). They wanted a minimum order of 20 before they would make any so if anybody else wants to commit to one let me know and I'll determine whether we can pursue it. I didn't get a cost offhand, but most likely it'd be cheaper than whatever Titec was selling it for.

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    Not sure if you are still taking count on the Hellions

    But I'll get one if you are going to get an order together.

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    I'm in for bar.

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    Please Suh, may I have anothuh?

    Hellion bar? one on each of two bikes now, but would love to have another one or two as a spare/backup!

    Maybe in a 27" version, and those wanting shorter could just cut it down........?

    Yep, add me to the list.....

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    New question here. Ti

    What makes ti any better than alloy for suspension frames?Ti has a "springy" ride but what good would that do with a spring!

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    Quote Originally Posted by E-Z11
    What makes ti any better than alloy for suspension frames?Ti has a "springy" ride but what good would that do with a spring!
    "Better" is vague and mostly subjective so I don't know what you're really asking. Also, you're generalizing about titanium... and I'd assume that's because you don't have a lot of experience with ti products and are just basing your "knowledge" on heresay from others who generalize the same way you do.

    It's important to keep in mind that the ride/feel of a ti bike is <i>very</i> dependent on the build quality and selection of titanium tubing that's used, just the same as any other material. There are good examples of ti bikes and there are bad examples of ti bikes, just the same as any other material. You have to look at each example independently.

    Using your type of (limited) logic, I could ascertain that brunettes make better wives because blonds are dumb.

    ...and if you don't understand how that statement makes just as much sense as your post then I can't help you any further.

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    Quote Originally Posted by terminaut
    "Better" is vague and mostly subjective so I don't know what you're really asking. Also, you're generalizing about titanium... and I'd assume that's because you don't have a lot of experience with ti products and are just basing your "knowledge" on heresay from others who generalize the same way you do.

    It's important to keep in mind that the ride/feel of a ti bike is <i>very</i> dependent on the build quality and selection of titanium tubing that's used, just the same as any other material. There are good examples of ti bikes and there are bad examples of ti bikes, just the same as any other material. You have to look at each example independently.

    Using your type of (limited) logic, I could ascertain that brunettes make better wives because blonds are dumb.

    ...and if you don't understand how that statement makes just as much sense as your post then I can't help you any further.
    it is true i have never had the good fortune to ride a TI bike BUT after a bit of research i know that Titanium can be made into the stiffist bike anywhere OR a complete noodle!
    SO WiseGuy where does YOURS fit in, eh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by E-Z11
    it is true i have never had the good fortune to ride a TI bike
    Ahhh... Ignorance IS bliss! You'll go through life much more content that way.


    SO WiseGuy where does YOURS fit in, eh?
    It's pointless wasting my time with your further. If you really want to know - get a job, make some money, and try to set yourself up so that you can experience some high-quality ti bikes firsthand. Otherwise, it'd probably be best if you tell yourself "I'll bet everytime that guy with the Duo hops on his bike for a ride he wishes that his bike was made of aluminum instead of ti."

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    I'm not really sure why everybody is into the hellion bar--mine is flexy as hell. Is it just the fact that it's ti that makes it so cool?

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    Quote Originally Posted by drgthumbs
    I'm not really sure why everybody is into the hellion bar--mine is flexy as hell. Is it just the fact that it's ti that makes it so cool?
    Sounds like the Hellion's not the bar for you. Let's trade as I've got a super stiff aluminum bar that I'd happily give up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by E-Z11
    What makes ti any better than alloy for suspension frames?Ti has a "springy" ride but what good would that do with a spring!
    i wouldnt know if ti makes my quasi ride any better but i dont worry about scratches or dings on the front triangle...bought it after it was 3 years old and looked new. running into trees and rocks for 2 years, still looks good! more distinguishing riders might notice a difference in the ride though

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    I'd be interested in a Titec Ti bar... or 2.

    Cheers,

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    Does that E-type derailleur cage rub the chain when the suspension compresses?

    Like it does on a Maverick frame? Mostly only when in the lower gears when the chain is lower.

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    Quote Originally Posted by B R H
    Like it does on a Maverick frame? Mostly only when in the lower gears when the chain is lower.
    I've never noticed it on the trail (probably because I don't normally cross the chain from small ring to small ring) but when I tested it just now with the bike in the smallest cog on the back, the chain does rub the bottom of the derailleur guide at full compression of shock.

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    Ti Hellion

    I have one in very good condition I might be willing to part with. If anyone is interested PM me. Not desparate to sell, but if you want to make a good offer i could be tempted to sell it.
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    Good job! awesome photos!!

    Where do you shot those pictures?? they are excelent!! how old is your Talas?? what do you think of the performance? of course, except for the no lock out.....


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    Quote Originally Posted by terminaut
    Thought I'd move my Duo into its own thread to do it justice. I bought this Seven Signature size 18" frame and built it up with a lot of titanium in thinking it'd be my trophy bike (I've got other bikes I can ride). As it turns out the bike rides so well that it's becoming my main choice for a lot of the longer techy rides.

    Despite some very aggresive riding everything has held up great except that my Fox Talas RLC has decided to no longer lockout. Note that this is one of my several bikes that sport Morati titanium cranks and they've held up great for my riding. Lots of other ti parts on the bike as well... ti King headset, ti Litespeed stem, Moots ti post, etc.

    To me, this well may be the ultimate titanium full-suspension rig.

























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    Quote Originally Posted by BBW
    Where do you shot those pictures?? they are excelent!! how old is your Talas?? what do you think of the performance? of course, except for the no lock out.....


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    The pictures are all from various locations in Orange County, CA. They were fun to "pose" for.

    My Talas is now a couple of years old and is actually still working very well on the bike. I'm glad you asked... It turns out that the blow-off adjustment on the bottom of my fork's leg somehow got rotated out all the way - which made it impossible for the lockout to work! I only had to re-adjust the knob and am happy to report the fork has been an exceptional performer once again, happy to lock-out on demand.

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    do you have any recent pics of your racer x, you still ride it?
    I'm starting my ti collection with a racer x, should be here soon I'll post pics when I get it!

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    You need a Maverick DUC fork on that bike to make it complete! And to lose a bit of weight :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Limon
    do you have any recent pics of your racer x, you still ride it?
    I'm starting my ti collection with a racer x, should be here soon I'll post pics when I get it!
    I don't have any recent pics of the Racer-X, unfortunately. We started a family last year and my days of riding have been far and few in between.

    Congrats on your frame. That's a mighty fine way to kick off a collection!

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    Hey, that looks like Santiago Oaks in the first black and white pic right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LLrider
    Hey, that looks like Santiago Oaks in the first black and white pic right?
    Yeah - that's probably exactly where you think it is. BTW, I've got some other fun Oaks photos up on my site if you want to see more local action.

    <a href="http://www.fooriders.com/webmain/name-PNphpBB2-viewtopic-p-32658-t-14598.html">http://www.fooriders.com/webmain/name-PNphpBB2-viewtopic-p-32658-t-14598.html</a>

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    Quote Originally Posted by MINImtnbiker
    You need a Maverick DUC fork on that bike to make it complete! And to lose a bit of weight :-)
    I think the DUC looks awesome on Maverick frames, but can't get used to its looks on a Duo otherwise I might be riding one. As it is, I've been fairly happy with the Fox for the type of riding I'm doing.

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    Thanks for the link. Nice pics too.

    Wow, I've been on the small drop by the powerlines but just looked at the large drop on the other side. That drop is sketchy at best. If you don't jump on the brakes on the drop you go right over the side of the hill.

    How much did the frame cost BTW? That looks like a sweet cross country rig.

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    Ahhh... <a href="http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?t=92096">Lefty</a> Duo!!!!


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