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    Sette Razzo Frame

    Anyone know about these frames? Specs,geometry? Who makes them? Interesting looking frame for the money.


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    If I had to guess I'd say that's a re-badged/slightly modified Niner EMD. Same DT, etc. It would be nice to have some specifics, though.

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    It doesnt look anything like an air9 frame.
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    Looks like a steep HTA. I'm curious to see what kind of geo numbers they came up with.

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    I think it DOES look like an AIR or EMD. That bent downtube certainly convinced me.

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    Looks to me like there is more of the TT and DT welded together on this frame than on the Air9.

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    The EMD doesn't have a disc brake brace on it.Both made of 7005.I bet you they came from the same factory.

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    when/if my cobia breaks, depending on cash flow at the time this frame will get a look from me. the price is hard to beat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 29erPilot
    The EMD doesn't have a disc brake brace on it.Both made of 7005.I bet you they came from the same factory.
    Yep. Niner's are one of the most overpriced frames around. Vassago is a close second. Pretty run of the mill frames. $250 is about right for frames of that quality.

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    The cable guides have different placings,
    the brake brace
    disk mount
    seat tube gusset
    dropouts
    rear stays
    BB placement



    Are ALL different.

    It has a bent downtube, that doesn`t make it a re-badged niner.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fux
    The cable guides have different placings,
    the brake brace
    disk mount
    seat tube gusset
    dropouts
    rear stays
    BB placement



    Are ALL different.

    It has a bent downtube, that doesn`t make it a re-badged niner.
    Specialized has a bent downtube. Could this be a rebadged Specialized
    The welds look kinda sloppy to me, at least from what I can see. Kinda looks like toothpaste at the headtube junctions. IMHO anyway. Probably rides great though. For a frame made from 7005. It is certainly light - - I think it is even lighter than an EMD if the geometry for an 18 matches the geometry of a Niner.
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    I'm looking to build a 1x9 for cheap.This frame might do the trick.I'll be running a 09 Reba set at 100mm.I'll need to know a bit more about the geometry before buying it. It does seem light,but will it hold up?Probably as good as a Fisher or Niner? I like the fact that it's polished,no more paint chips.If PP would have listed the specs I think they would have sold some of these by now.

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    You could build a whole bike for less than $1000.

    This 29er build kit shows up on the same page.

    http://www.pricepoint.com/detail.htm...&hprice=739.98
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    Quote Originally Posted by gthcarolina
    This 29er build kit shows up on the same page.

    http://www.pricepoint.com/detail.htm...&hprice=739.98
    You would still need a fork

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    I've got everything but a frame.The parts are calling me to the garage to build them.My wife is calling me in the other direction. I can't let these parts suffer and not go to good use.

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    I've got the fork

    Quote Originally Posted by boomn
    You would still need a fork
    And the wheels. I'm just wondering how those other parts stand up. I already have a set of BB7 brakes and I'm familiar with them.

    So what I really need is for someone to offer a frame and parts kit that doesn't include wheels or a fork (or a headset, actually). And I want the frame to take a 31.6 seatpost.

    Oh, and I want it to be titanium. Not really a lot to ask, is it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by gthcarolina
    And the wheels. I'm just wondering how those other parts stand up. I already have a set of BB7 brakes and I'm familiar with them.

    *snip*
    Actually it does come with wheels. I think most of it is decent stuff... not especially light, but still good enough to stand up to good use.
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    Okay, it is definitely not a Niner! (courtesy pic for referance)

    I would venture to say that anybody with a design and the cash could get a Chinese manufacturing facility to make you as many of those Sette frames as you want. That's not far from the mark here, I'd wager. By the way, the Sette is shown sans rear derailluer hangar. I hope that is included at that bargain basement price.
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    What is the difference between a Taiwan frame or a Chinese one? Some would say that Taiwan is part of China.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 29erPilot
    What is the difference between a Taiwan frame or a Chinese one? Some would say that Taiwan is part of China.
    Oh no...not this argument again.

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    Some would say that Taiwan is part of China
    Some would say that Mexico was in the US....
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    I guess that depends on which side of Mao you stand on

    Quote Originally Posted by 29erPilot
    What is the difference between a Taiwan frame or a Chinese one? Some would say that Taiwan is part of China.
    Since 1950, anyway.

    I think you can also count on better human rights and less child-labor in Taiwan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 29erPilot
    Only available in 53cm though. Which is somewhere between midget and manlet on the size scale.

    Off-brand score of a lifetime were those Santa Cruz Chamelons that Jenson USA had with different graphics. I still have that frame. Great bike. Great deal.

    I'm interested to see how the economy pans out. Could see some really great deals on 2009 stock bikes at the LBS if they are not able to move inventory. In the last recession of 02-03, there were alot of liquidations of wholesalers, Supergo and Jenson picked up the excess inventory and sold components and OEM stuff for a song!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 29erPilot
    Anyone know about these frames? Specs,geometry? Who makes them? Interesting looking frame for the money.


    http://www.pricepoint.com/detail/188...tail-Frame.htm
    Probably best to ask Pricepoint those questions. Specifically the spec's and such.

    Agree it's an interesting frame. Might be a purchase to get the wife a new bike for this year. Especially since it is so cheap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by apacherider
    Yep. Niner's are one of the most overpriced frames around. Vassago is a close second. Pretty run of the mill frames. $250 is about right for frames of that quality.
    Vassago's not nearly as pricey as niner. $479 for a Bandersnatch, while considerably more than I remember them selling for, still isn't bad. It's a nice frame.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 29erPilot
    hybrid not mtb 29er

    would only consider it for offroad dropbar projects (monstercross, touring etc, if the tyre clearance is there)

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    Quote Originally Posted by gthcarolina
    This 29er build kit shows up on the same page.

    http://www.pricepoint.com/detail.htm...&hprice=739.98
    That's a decent package, but the wheels...yikes! Nearly 2700 g. Can't expect too light at that price for all of that stuff.
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    looks pretty nice

    Quote Originally Posted by 29erPilot
    Anyone know about these frames? Specs,geometry? Who makes them? Interesting looking frame for the money.


    http://www.pricepoint.com/detail/188...tail-Frame.htm
    I shoulda got that instead of the motobecane fantom 29er. My bike would have been a pound and a half lighter, and probably wouldn't have shaken my teeth out as much.

    I really like the polished alu.

    Also, isn't the Air9 scandium?

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    That BeOne is a hybrid indeed. They called it an MTB but it's a fat tire hybrid. I would have gotten it if it had canti mounts. For a monstercrosser build.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pimpbot
    I shoulda got that instead of the motobecane fantom 29er. My bike would have been a pound and a half lighter, and probably wouldn't have shaken my teeth out as much.
    Hmmmm...........not so much, most likely. This Sette is made from 7000 series Aluminum, which is stiffer and generally yeilds a stiffer ride. That, of course, may not apply here, but the chances are higher that it will ride stiff.

    I really like the polished alu.
    More than likely ball burnished. It is a cheaper method of making aluminum look polished.

    Also, isn't the Air9 scandium?
    Yes, but the comparison was to Niner's E.M.D.9, which is 7005 aluminum. The Sette frame is also 7005 Al.
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    It looks to my eye like the latest generation Voodoo Aizan - similar welds, braces and stays - even the derailleur hanger bolts are in the same location. They probably just carried the Aizan's 7005 rear triangle to the rest of the frame and gave it a bent downtube. All speculation of course, but it looks pretty similar to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by southy
    It looks to my eye like the latest generation Voodoo Aizan - similar welds, braces and stays - even the derailleur hanger bolts are in the same location. They probably just carried the Aizan's 7005 rear triangle to the rest of the frame and gave it a bent downtube. All speculation of course, but it looks pretty similar to me.
    I thought it looked like a VooDoo as well, but it isn't identical, which would lead me to believe that it might be made in the same factory, but that is purely speculative. For all I know it could have been welded up anywhere by any factory.

    Doesn't really matter either.

    As an earlier poster stated, the questions need to be asked of Price Point, and then we may get the straight scoop. Until then, we're just a bunch of wankers that should be out riding.
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    I would love to be out riding.The only problem is I'm lacking my frame.I need to choose soon.My choices are

    On One $275
    Razzo $249
    KM $400ish
    Dambala $400ish

    I'm looking for a 24.5 TT 27.2 SP and the best fit for a 09 Reba set at 100mm I'm not changing it to 80 either.I'm going to running it 1x9I'm 240lbs.I would like to stay away from slotted and moving dropouts.I wanted to stay under 300.I've been scanning E-Bay and the Net.Recommendations welcome!

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    24.5" TT = look at the Astrix Rook, size L. You can order one from Universal Cycles using the VIP code and it'll be roughly $365ish.

    Works great with a 100mm fork too.
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    Universal doesn't have any.I do like this frame and would love to find one.

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    Some geometry info.......

    18 in eff tt 23.6. 20in 24.4in

    HA 71.5
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    BB 68MM
    FORK 80 OR 100
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    Quote Originally Posted by 29erPilot
    Universal doesn't have any.I do like this frame and would love to find one.
    Find an online retailer that does and see if they price-match. That's how I got my Karate Monkey for $50 cheaper.
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    Hard to read, but the info is all there. An email from Pricepoint today.

    Razzo 29er

    Size (Seat Tube Length)
    Small (16"/41cm)
    Medium (18"/46cm)
    Large (20"/51cm)
    X-Large (22"/56cm)

    Effective Top Tube Length
    23.2"/59cm
    23.6"/60cm
    24.4"/62cm
    25.1"/64cm

    Actual Top Tube Length
    57cm
    58cm
    60cm
    62cm

    Stand Over Height
    75.3cm
    78.7cm
    82.5cm
    86.3cm

    Head Tube Length
    80mm
    90mm
    110mm
    130mm

    Head Tube Angle
    71.5 degrees
    71.5 degrees
    71.5 degrees
    71.5 degrees

    Seat Tube Angle
    74 degrees
    74 degrees
    74 degrees
    74 degrees

    Wheel Base
    108.1cm
    1082cm
    110.2cm
    112.1cm

    Chainstay Length
    45cm
    45cm
    45cm
    45cm

    Bottom Bracket Height
    12.8cm
    12.8cm
    12.8cm
    12.8cm

    Bottom Bracket Width
    68mm
    68mm
    68mm
    68mm

    Bottom Bracket Thread
    English
    English
    English
    English

    Seat Post Diameter
    27.2mm
    27.2mm
    27.2mm
    27.2mm

    Seat Clamp Diameter
    31.8mm
    31.8mm
    31.8mm
    31.8mm

    Front Derailleur Clamp Diameter
    31.8mm
    31.8mm
    31.8mm
    31.8mm

    Maximum Tire Width
    2.5"
    2.5"
    2.5"
    2.5"

    Recommended Fork Travel
    80mm-100mm
    80mm-100mm
    80mm-100mm
    80mm-100mm

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    New question here. bottom bracket height

    I hope the stated bottom bracket height is a type-o. 12.8cm would make it diffecult to pedal. maybe 12.8in?

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    I like that geometry - except the BB will have some pedals strikes.
    This looks like this years Zion frame (in that it is cheap). yum! Nice long top tubes.
    The price sure is nice. It would be even better if it was steel!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted
    Okay, it is definitely not a Niner! (courtesy pic for referance)

    I would venture to say that anybody with a design and the cash could get a Chinese manufacturing facility to make you as many of those Sette frames as you want. That's not far from the mark here, I'd wager. By the way, the Sette is shown sans rear derailluer hangar. I hope that is included at that bargain basement price.
    No hanger included.

    Email from PricePoint:
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    They do not come with a derailleur hanger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cbchess
    I like that geometry - except the BB will have some pedals strikes.
    This looks like this years Zion frame (in that it is cheap). yum! Nice long top tubes.
    The price sure is nice. It would be even better if it was steel!
    I thought they stopped making Zion frames.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MadCowRider
    No hanger included.

    Email from PricePoint:
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    They do not come with a derailleur hanger.

    Thanks,

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    No derailleur hanger? I don't get it. I didn't think this was a singlespeed frame.

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    I'm thinking of going with a monkey. I think it's my safest bet.I loved my old one,I know it fits,it has many options and the company has been around for a few years. What happenes 2 years down the road when I snap the thing in half? What kind of warranty do they have? It's hard to trust frames at my weight.I haven't heard of to many cracked Monkey frames. It doesn't look like you can fit a 2.5 either looking at the picture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by boomn
    No derailleur hanger? I don't get it. I didn't think this was a singlespeed frame.
    The jist I got from them was that this frame is nearly at cost and that the hangar can not be included at that price.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 29erPilot
    ........ It doesn't look like you can fit a 2.5 either looking at the picture.
    And the 68mm bottom braket shell width would also suggest that clearances may be tight on this frame.
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    Help me understand this . What hanger do I need to buy? I have to buy a hanger to to get this frame going? Or do I just have to buy one as a replacement? Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by gthcarolina
    This 29er build kit shows up on the same page.

    http://www.pricepoint.com/detail.htm...&hprice=739.98
    or buy this bike for about 200$ more... and get a reba SL, and avid juicy 7's ... but you'd prob need some other bits... but could sell the frame and recoupe some of your money...
    http://www.bikesdirect.com/products/...liff29team.htm

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    I have a build kit. my question is does the frame have a derailleur hanger? if not where do I get one?

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    I think the Sette frame looks more like the Flite 29er from a couple years back but that's just me. I don't have any specs on it, but that was my first thought when I saw the frame.
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    Quote Originally Posted by patada
    Help me understand this . What hanger do I need to buy? I have to buy a hanger to to get this frame going? Or do I just have to buy one as a replacement? Thanks
    Interestingly the frame shows up with a derailluer hangar on the site now. I suppose they figured out it would be rather cheesy to sell the hangar separately.
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    Where's the hangar? Here it is.

    The Razzo does come with a hangar. Got the frame in yesterday. Pretty finish if you ask me.



    It also comes with a seatpost clamp which they do not picture. Oh and bubble wrap... wait, did I mention a frame box? All not pictured. I've purchased a lot of stuff from pricepoint and from my experience they know what they're doing.

    I've got more pictures of the Razzo on my blog, here.

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    I visited your blog Jery - and i gotta say I'd be a bit scared with the look of the welds on that frame. Not the most visually pleasing welds - but if they hold I guess that's all that matters. would make me a tad nervous though.

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    Agreed

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    I visited your blog Jery - and i gotta say I'd be a bit scared with the look of the welds on that frame. Not the most visually pleasing welds - but if they hold I guess that's all that matters. would make me a tad nervous though.
    Not visually pleasing. I'm 215 lbs so I'll put it through some abuse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMcG
    I visited your blog Jery - and i gotta say I'd be a bit scared with the look of the welds on that frame. Not the most visually pleasing welds - but if they hold I guess that's all that matters. would make me a tad nervous though.
    I think the welds look pretty strong. I hope it is fully penetrated. I have seen worse (my 1st bike)

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMcG
    I visited your blog Jery - and i gotta say I'd be a bit scared with the look of the welds on that frame. Not the most visually pleasing welds - but if they hold I guess that's all that matters. would make me a tad nervous though.
    Looks about the same as a frame I got from the Canadian distributor Asama. Beat it up for a couple of years and still no probs.

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    looks like it's a thick coat of paint over the welds which hides em a bit...

    look forward to hearing how it rides... inexpensive 29er frames are a good thing
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    Nice deal but for the extra $50-70 I'd rather buy an Origin 8 Scout in Chro-Mo. I don't destroy steel as often as aluminum.

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    Hey guys, i just bought the Razzo frame from pricepoint and it does come with the rear hanger just so you know.

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    News flash: hanger update

    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted
    The jist I got from them was that this frame is nearly at cost and that the hangar can not be included at that price.
    I got a followup email from Pricepoint this evening. Apparently, the frame does come with a hanger. This supported by locorider2008 post below.
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    Mike,

    My mistake, I had mistakenly informed you that the Razzo frame didnít come with a derailleur hanger; it actually does come with a derailleur hanger and can be set up as a geared bike.

    Sorry for any confusion.

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    ...when did origin 8 scout goto chromo?... (just saw it)... my shop still has the alu versions... the chain stays are NICE on the alu version
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    Quote Originally Posted by MadCowRider
    I got a followup email from Pricepoint this evening. Apparently, the frame does come with a hanger. This supported by locorider2008 post below.
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    My mistake, I had mistakenly informed you that the Razzo frame didnít come with a derailleur hanger; it actually does come with a derailleur hanger and can be set up as a geared bike.

    Sorry for any confusion.

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    Yup. I figured that part out. (See post #53)

    Thanks for the confirmation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by donalson
    ...when did origin 8 scout goto chromo?... (just saw it)... my shop still has the alu versions... the chain stays are NICE on the alu version
    Actually, it always has been steel. The Alu version came out later.



    Here's the original prototype shown at 2006 Interbike. I wish they would have stuck with this design actually. Oh yeah, it's steel, by the way.
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    Sette Razzo frame vs....New 2009 Motobecane Outcast29 w/sliding disc tabs and optional derailleur hanger. (check bikeisland.com or for a better look, check bikeisland's ebay site. mmmmm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zarr
    Sette Razzo frame vs....New 2009 Motobecane Outcast29 w/sliding disc tabs and optional derailleur hanger. (check bikeisland.com or for a better look, check bikeisland's ebay site. mmmmm.
    What do you guys think of this comparison?
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    I don't know about the Motobecane, but I can tell you my Windsor welds look substantially better than those show in the picture on the Sette. Not saying the Windsor is a better frame but the welds look better. Also, my experience has been that two bolt hangers break really easy vs single bolt hangers.

    Just some observations...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbiker72
    I don't know about the Motobecane, but I can tell you my Windsor welds look substantially better than those show in the picture on the Sette. Not saying the Windsor is a better frame but the welds look better. Also, my experience has been that two bolt hangers break really easy vs single bolt hangers.

    Just some observations...
    The new Moto Outcast29 hasn't been out that long, so I guess until more people have one this comparison will remain up in the air. I have one I got for my wife, but she doesn't ride that hard anyway,(towpaths,etc.), so I guess I can't help much either. I can tell you that the sliding disc tab & the derailleur hanger are very beefy and appear to be very strong.
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    I would expect the Motobecane welds to be good since Kinesis welds those frames up. My Windsor is actually made in China and the welds aren't perfect...but they aren't toothpasty either.

    The Razzo appears to be significantly lighter though (18" is 1470grams vs 19" Moto at 2223), thats about 1.5lbs. So I guess time will tell.

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    Nice frame. I have some spare parts laying around... humm perhaps this frame will make a nice home for them.

    I would suggest picking up at least one spare rear der hanger from Price Point. House brand frames don't have good long term support for small parts. I learned this lesson when my Nashbar frame needed a new rear der hanger, they said they were out for good stock wise.
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    hmmm those welds are not that pretty. any more pics anyone?
    I like to see some deatils around the seatstay and/or chainstay to the front triangle.
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    Second that...

    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbiker72
    I would expect the Motobecane welds to be good since Kinesis welds those frames up. My Windsor is actually made in China and the welds aren't perfect...but they aren't toothpasty either.

    The Razzo appears to be significantly lighter though (18" is 1470grams vs 19" Moto at 2223), thats about 1.5lbs. So I guess time will tell.
    my Motobecane welds are okay, but there are some boogers in there. Not really 'high art'

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    Quote Originally Posted by cbchess
    hmmm those welds are not that pretty. any more pics anyone?
    I like to see some deatils around the seatstay and/or chainstay to the front triangle.
    I second this request for more pictures. I know there are always bad apples when it comes to frames, so I am hoping someone else has bought one with better aesthetics.

    I would love to have an excuse to buy one of these cause I am loving that weight for the price. Not super crazy bout that chrome paint though....which means this could also double as my introduction into frame painting.

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    This is what mine look like:




    linky to the rest of the frame pictures.

    Built it up as a SS with parts bin stuff.



    Build pictures here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SnowStorm
    Not super crazy bout that chrome paint though....which means this could also double as my introduction into frame painting.
    This frame is polished aluminum not paint. I wouldn't like chrome paint either. Just got mine as well, this frame is sick light!

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    Those that own the Sette, how tall are you and what size frame did you pick?

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    I'm 5"10" and got the 18" frame. I just got it built and will posts some pics. The complete bike came out really nice.

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    Awesome thanks!!!

    I'm 6' with a 34" inseam, I guess I'd go with the 20"/large.

    Looking forward to seeing the pics, what fork did you use?

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    Quote Originally Posted by helexia23
    Awesome thanks!!!

    I'm 6' with a 34" inseam, I guess I'd go with the 20"/large.

    Looking forward to seeing the pics, what fork did you use?
    That's probably a safe bet, and even safer if your current bike has a similar ETT (24.4")

    But, 6' with a 34" inseam means you have a slightly longish legs and therefore a shorter torso. If you also have shorter arms then you might feel a bit stretched out, but that also depends on your preference for position. Just trying to point out the possible variables.

    I myself am 6' .5" with a 34" inseam and I ride an Inbred with a 24.4" ETT. After testing lots of cockpit setups I settled on 2 options that work well: 110mm stem with a 17deg Salsa bar and a 75mm stem with a riser bar. Both have a similar reach. Hope that helps

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    Here's my finished product. I used the Reba SL fork. It weighs 24lbs with mostly X7 and Stylo cranks and Mavic TN719 wheelset.
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    Thanks for great info on this frame guys. I can't wait to hear some riding evals.
    Anyone check accuracy of the frame weight ? 3.25 for a medium from the website.
    I'm gunna pickup on this deal. Now if I can find some moots bolt on canti brake hangers.
    Btw, I really like the idea of the 5 year warranty Sette is offering on their products.
    Beats the heck out of Voodoo and many other 3 year warranty. Also, they responded quickly and nicely to my emails. Some of the more reasonably price frame manufacturers aren't nearly so expedient.
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    I wonder if you can remove the logo and graphics of the frame?

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    This bike is legit, I've ridden it a lot since I posted the last pic. Very fast and agile for a 29er. The frame weight is accurate too, so with enough cash it can rival anything out there right now.

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    If they made a steel version I might have been interested.

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    Howdy! I just ordered one of these. Any build issues? Everyone still happy with theirs? And, do the decals come off?

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    Feb. 28, Sycamore Canyon Trail, Riverside, CA

    I've had a few rides on mine as a rigid SS. It's very nice and light... I likey! I think my build was 22 lbs without using light parts other than the 200 gram saddle and the carbon fork. Wheelset are WTB Laserdiscs with formula hubs and tires are worn out Rampage/Ignitor. SS kit was from Performance (good bang for the buck by the way).

    No build problems.

    Decals do not come off, I've checked.

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    Thanks! I should be getting mine monday. I am going for a LIGHT build. I will post pics when it is done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ruffrider
    This bike is legit, I've ridden it a lot since I posted the last pic. Very fast and agile for a 29er. The frame weight is accurate too, so with enough cash it can rival anything out there right now.
    Wanted to know about front derailluer of your build. Are you using a high clamp dual pull X.7?

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    I used an X.7 Low clamp Dual pull. It appeared that a high clamp might interfere with the lower bottle cage mount. So far the bike rides great and there were no build issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeryang

    Feb. 28, Sycamore Canyon Trail, Riverside, CA

    I've had a few rides on mine as a rigid SS. It's very nice and light... I likey! I think my build was 22 lbs without using light parts other than the 200 gram saddle and the carbon fork. Wheelset are WTB Laserdiscs with formula hubs and tires are worn out Rampage/Ignitor. SS kit was from Performance (good bang for the buck by the way).

    No build problems.

    Decals do not come off, I've checked.
    Read your excellent review on the carboncycle carbon fork.. I've should have read it earlier before buying WB carbon fork. I could have saved another $100 odd... bummers.

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    anyone got a pic of the 20" frame yet?

    *edit*
    jeryang is yours a 20"?
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    Decent frame for the money. I applaud them for keeping it light-ish AND for somebody actually publishing the weight!

    My question is how come peeps are always trying to compare this cheaper stuff to more expensive brands? Is it for the "look at me I got the same thing and paid less than you" aspect? And then they get all huffy (hey I made a bike pun!) when folks make fun of their comparisons to higher end hardware...

    I'm happy that 29ers are finally becoming a "bargain basement" item. The boutique stuff is sure nice for the connoisseurs, but we need the lower level market to keep the bike biz in business!

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    Quote Originally Posted by spyglass
    Read your excellent review on the carboncycle carbon fork.. I've should have read it earlier before buying WB carbon fork. I could have saved another $100 odd... bummers.
    Thanks. I'm still using it. Going back and forth between FS and Rigid is a shock to the body, but I love climbing with the CC fork. Descending... takes some getting used to.


    Quote Originally Posted by donalson
    anyone got a pic of the 20" frame yet?

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    Yes, 20" I've got a 110mm stem, which I think I might swap to a 100. Otherwise, the fit is good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deme Moore
    Decent frame for the money. I applaud them for keeping it light-ish AND for somebody actually publishing the weight!

    My question is how come peeps are always trying to compare this cheaper stuff to more expensive brands? Is it for the "look at me I got the same thing and paid less than you" aspect? And then they get all huffy (hey I made a bike pun!) when folks make fun of their comparisons to higher end hardware...

    I'm happy that 29ers are finally becoming a "bargain basement" item. The boutique stuff is sure nice for the connoisseurs, but we need the lower level market to keep the bike biz in business!
    Nah... I don't think it's because of making fun. It's more of a accomplishment! It is easier to break a bank to get all the stuff you want than to do it the other way round. You should be applauding the bikers who went the extra mile to count what's worth that penny for each part and where to get a true bargain. To me bargain hunters and weight weenies are the real bikers, they basically made each dollar look like a dollar instead of depreciating it. Obviously, I 'm pretty thankful for companies such as Sette, RST, Carboncycles, some others for making bike building sensible again else I wouldn't be even restarting my biking hobby. Food for thought: Why pay more when you can get it better and cheaper? Fancy being ripped off?

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    I'll be a saint here and disclose my components though I haven't done building completely yet (Too much work!!!). I will tell you how you can build a good and cheap sub 8kg 29er (excl. tires) and where to save and get these. I use SRAM X.9 because Shimano is heavier and I don't like the motion of their rear derailluer. It's really up to you.

    1) Buy a Sette Razzo from Pricepoint ard $200 now (Offer ends this march)
    2) Get yourself a build kit, SRAM X.9 from greenfishsports that'll cost you ard $250
    3) Get a carbon cycle fork from Carboncycle themselves for ard $165 (Personally I'm using the WB rigid carbon fork from treeforbikes ard $270 but I'll suggest you go with Jerry's fork)
    4) Get a crank bros egg beater SL from treeforbikes for ard $75
    5) Get yourself Sette cockpit 1 combo from Pricepoint for ard $85
    6) Get Maddux explorer T2 wheelset from Pricepoint for ard $170 (ard 2kg a pair!)
    7) Get a good rear disc brake BB7 from Greenfishsports for $38
    8) Get speed dial 7 from Greenfishsports for ard $16
    9) Get super lite foam grips for ard $5 from Pricepoint
    10) I pampered myself with a Sette air suspension seatpost from Pricepoint ard $35.
    11) Pay someone to build all these for you for ard $100 or you can be like me and build it slowly like lego. I love my childhood... kekeke

    Basically I use only 1 rear brake, 1 rear derailluer, 1 X 44T chain ring (Haven't found a way to dismantle mine yet), 1 shifter and 1 brake lever. I don't brake in front because it's carbon fork and I prefer to concentrate in steering in front and leave the braking behind. I am a 44T user up front so I don't need the 2 extra gears. This is my personal riding style and I'm pretty sure everyone else will develop theirs. I do mostly XC so depending on your ride, you may need to fine tune your combo. Everything should add up less than 8kg and I set my target on a road bike weight at 7.7kg. See... you don't need to break a bank to build a sub 10 bike... this is a sub 8 for a 29er. If you are able to source for places cheaper and legit... don't forget to share. I wouldn't mind building another for my bro. Cheers...

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    Quote Originally Posted by spyglass
    Food for thought: Why pay more when you can get it better and cheaper? Fancy being ripped off?
    That's what I'm talking about. So the dude who bought a Porsche got ripped off because there's a Corvette available for half off? What about things like craftsmanship or design?

    If somebody with money sneers at the budget bikes people call them a snob. What do you call someone who finds it important to point how stupid everyone is for not pinching pennies? Not everyone's priorities are the same nor are their budgets. I'm pretty sure the guy who bought a $3000 bike didn't do so with their last penny. And if they did I applaud them for being hardcore and getting exactly what they wanted even if it gets plopped on a $300 Hyundai to drive to the trails!

    I'm not going to argue with anyone about who is or isn't a "real" biker. This kind of nonsense happens with every recreational pursuit I involve myself with. What I will say is anyone who is concerned about how much or how little they spent is missing the point.

    And no, you can't take all that money you saved with you when you die!

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    I went back and fourth over the Sette Razzo and the Niner EMD frames. The Razzo was $200 +$30 shipping. The 2009 EMD was $449 shipped.

    Even though I was on a budget, the extra $219 was worth it to me for resale value and yes a little bling factor too. But resale value, and ease of resale was a big factor for me.

    And obviously "bling" is a factor on peoples minds why else would these two comments be posted above...

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    Quote Originally Posted by spyglass
    Basically I use only 1 rear brake, 1 rear derailluer, 1 X 44T chain ring (Haven't found a way to dismantle mine yet), 1 shifter and 1 brake lever. I don't brake in front because it's carbon fork and I prefer to concentrate in steering in front and leave the braking behind. I am a 44T user up front so I don't need the 2 extra gears. This is my personal riding style and I'm pretty sure everyone else will develop theirs. I do mostly XC so depending on your ride, you may need to fine tune your combo. Everything should add up less than 8kg and I set my target on a road bike weight at 7.7kg. See... you don't need to break a bank to build a sub 10 bike... this is a sub 8 for a 29er. If you are able to source for places cheaper and legit... don't forget to share. I wouldn't mind building another for my bro. Cheers...
    Why should I or anyone else take advice from someone who believes it is adequate to use just a back brake. When you apply a brake, front or rear about 75% of your weight transfers onto the front wheel. All you are going to do is skid your back wheel and rip up the trail, not to mention the lack of control using just a rear brake.

    It is obvious that you know very little about biking.

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