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    Sette Razzo Frame

    Anyone know about these frames? Specs,geometry? Who makes them? Interesting looking frame for the money.


    http://www.pricepoint.com/detail/188...tail-Frame.htm

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    If I had to guess I'd say that's a re-badged/slightly modified Niner EMD. Same DT, etc. It would be nice to have some specifics, though.

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    It doesnt look anything like an air9 frame.
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    Looks like a steep HTA. I'm curious to see what kind of geo numbers they came up with.

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    I think it DOES look like an AIR or EMD. That bent downtube certainly convinced me.

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    Looks to me like there is more of the TT and DT welded together on this frame than on the Air9.

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    The EMD doesn't have a disc brake brace on it.Both made of 7005.I bet you they came from the same factory.

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    when/if my cobia breaks, depending on cash flow at the time this frame will get a look from me. the price is hard to beat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 29erPilot
    The EMD doesn't have a disc brake brace on it.Both made of 7005.I bet you they came from the same factory.
    Yep. Niner's are one of the most overpriced frames around. Vassago is a close second. Pretty run of the mill frames. $250 is about right for frames of that quality.

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    The cable guides have different placings,
    the brake brace
    disk mount
    seat tube gusset
    dropouts
    rear stays
    BB placement



    Are ALL different.

    It has a bent downtube, that doesn`t make it a re-badged niner.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fux
    The cable guides have different placings,
    the brake brace
    disk mount
    seat tube gusset
    dropouts
    rear stays
    BB placement



    Are ALL different.

    It has a bent downtube, that doesn`t make it a re-badged niner.
    Specialized has a bent downtube. Could this be a rebadged Specialized
    The welds look kinda sloppy to me, at least from what I can see. Kinda looks like toothpaste at the headtube junctions. IMHO anyway. Probably rides great though. For a frame made from 7005. It is certainly light - - I think it is even lighter than an EMD if the geometry for an 18 matches the geometry of a Niner.
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    I'm looking to build a 1x9 for cheap.This frame might do the trick.I'll be running a 09 Reba set at 100mm.I'll need to know a bit more about the geometry before buying it. It does seem light,but will it hold up?Probably as good as a Fisher or Niner? I like the fact that it's polished,no more paint chips.If PP would have listed the specs I think they would have sold some of these by now.

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    You could build a whole bike for less than $1000.

    This 29er build kit shows up on the same page.

    http://www.pricepoint.com/detail.htm...&hprice=739.98
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    Quote Originally Posted by gthcarolina
    This 29er build kit shows up on the same page.

    http://www.pricepoint.com/detail.htm...&hprice=739.98
    You would still need a fork

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    I've got everything but a frame.The parts are calling me to the garage to build them.My wife is calling me in the other direction. I can't let these parts suffer and not go to good use.

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    I've got the fork

    Quote Originally Posted by boomn
    You would still need a fork
    And the wheels. I'm just wondering how those other parts stand up. I already have a set of BB7 brakes and I'm familiar with them.

    So what I really need is for someone to offer a frame and parts kit that doesn't include wheels or a fork (or a headset, actually). And I want the frame to take a 31.6 seatpost.

    Oh, and I want it to be titanium. Not really a lot to ask, is it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by gthcarolina
    And the wheels. I'm just wondering how those other parts stand up. I already have a set of BB7 brakes and I'm familiar with them.

    *snip*
    Actually it does come with wheels. I think most of it is decent stuff... not especially light, but still good enough to stand up to good use.
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    Okay, it is definitely not a Niner! (courtesy pic for referance)

    I would venture to say that anybody with a design and the cash could get a Chinese manufacturing facility to make you as many of those Sette frames as you want. That's not far from the mark here, I'd wager. By the way, the Sette is shown sans rear derailluer hangar. I hope that is included at that bargain basement price.
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    What is the difference between a Taiwan frame or a Chinese one? Some would say that Taiwan is part of China.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 29erPilot
    What is the difference between a Taiwan frame or a Chinese one? Some would say that Taiwan is part of China.
    Oh no...not this argument again.

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    Some would say that Taiwan is part of China
    Some would say that Mexico was in the US....
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    I guess that depends on which side of Mao you stand on

    Quote Originally Posted by 29erPilot
    What is the difference between a Taiwan frame or a Chinese one? Some would say that Taiwan is part of China.
    Since 1950, anyway.

    I think you can also count on better human rights and less child-labor in Taiwan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 29erPilot
    Only available in 53cm though. Which is somewhere between midget and manlet on the size scale.

    Off-brand score of a lifetime were those Santa Cruz Chamelons that Jenson USA had with different graphics. I still have that frame. Great bike. Great deal.

    I'm interested to see how the economy pans out. Could see some really great deals on 2009 stock bikes at the LBS if they are not able to move inventory. In the last recession of 02-03, there were alot of liquidations of wholesalers, Supergo and Jenson picked up the excess inventory and sold components and OEM stuff for a song!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 29erPilot
    Anyone know about these frames? Specs,geometry? Who makes them? Interesting looking frame for the money.


    http://www.pricepoint.com/detail/188...tail-Frame.htm
    Probably best to ask Pricepoint those questions. Specifically the spec's and such.

    Agree it's an interesting frame. Might be a purchase to get the wife a new bike for this year. Especially since it is so cheap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by apacherider
    Yep. Niner's are one of the most overpriced frames around. Vassago is a close second. Pretty run of the mill frames. $250 is about right for frames of that quality.
    Vassago's not nearly as pricey as niner. $479 for a Bandersnatch, while considerably more than I remember them selling for, still isn't bad. It's a nice frame.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 29erPilot
    hybrid not mtb 29er

    would only consider it for offroad dropbar projects (monstercross, touring etc, if the tyre clearance is there)

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    Quote Originally Posted by gthcarolina
    This 29er build kit shows up on the same page.

    http://www.pricepoint.com/detail.htm...&hprice=739.98
    That's a decent package, but the wheels...yikes! Nearly 2700 g. Can't expect too light at that price for all of that stuff.
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    looks pretty nice

    Quote Originally Posted by 29erPilot
    Anyone know about these frames? Specs,geometry? Who makes them? Interesting looking frame for the money.


    http://www.pricepoint.com/detail/188...tail-Frame.htm
    I shoulda got that instead of the motobecane fantom 29er. My bike would have been a pound and a half lighter, and probably wouldn't have shaken my teeth out as much.

    I really like the polished alu.

    Also, isn't the Air9 scandium?

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    That BeOne is a hybrid indeed. They called it an MTB but it's a fat tire hybrid. I would have gotten it if it had canti mounts. For a monstercrosser build.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pimpbot
    I shoulda got that instead of the motobecane fantom 29er. My bike would have been a pound and a half lighter, and probably wouldn't have shaken my teeth out as much.
    Hmmmm...........not so much, most likely. This Sette is made from 7000 series Aluminum, which is stiffer and generally yeilds a stiffer ride. That, of course, may not apply here, but the chances are higher that it will ride stiff.

    I really like the polished alu.
    More than likely ball burnished. It is a cheaper method of making aluminum look polished.

    Also, isn't the Air9 scandium?
    Yes, but the comparison was to Niner's E.M.D.9, which is 7005 aluminum. The Sette frame is also 7005 Al.
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    It looks to my eye like the latest generation Voodoo Aizan - similar welds, braces and stays - even the derailleur hanger bolts are in the same location. They probably just carried the Aizan's 7005 rear triangle to the rest of the frame and gave it a bent downtube. All speculation of course, but it looks pretty similar to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by southy
    It looks to my eye like the latest generation Voodoo Aizan - similar welds, braces and stays - even the derailleur hanger bolts are in the same location. They probably just carried the Aizan's 7005 rear triangle to the rest of the frame and gave it a bent downtube. All speculation of course, but it looks pretty similar to me.
    I thought it looked like a VooDoo as well, but it isn't identical, which would lead me to believe that it might be made in the same factory, but that is purely speculative. For all I know it could have been welded up anywhere by any factory.

    Doesn't really matter either.

    As an earlier poster stated, the questions need to be asked of Price Point, and then we may get the straight scoop. Until then, we're just a bunch of wankers that should be out riding.
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    I would love to be out riding.The only problem is I'm lacking my frame.I need to choose soon.My choices are

    On One $275
    Razzo $249
    KM $400ish
    Dambala $400ish

    I'm looking for a 24.5 TT 27.2 SP and the best fit for a 09 Reba set at 100mm I'm not changing it to 80 either.I'm going to running it 1x9I'm 240lbs.I would like to stay away from slotted and moving dropouts.I wanted to stay under 300.I've been scanning E-Bay and the Net.Recommendations welcome!

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    24.5" TT = look at the Astrix Rook, size L. You can order one from Universal Cycles using the VIP code and it'll be roughly $365ish.

    Works great with a 100mm fork too.
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    Universal doesn't have any.I do like this frame and would love to find one.

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    Some geometry info.......

    18 in eff tt 23.6. 20in 24.4in

    HA 71.5
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    BB 68MM
    FORK 80 OR 100
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    Quote Originally Posted by 29erPilot
    Universal doesn't have any.I do like this frame and would love to find one.
    Find an online retailer that does and see if they price-match. That's how I got my Karate Monkey for $50 cheaper.
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    Hard to read, but the info is all there. An email from Pricepoint today.

    Razzo 29er

    Size (Seat Tube Length)
    Small (16"/41cm)
    Medium (18"/46cm)
    Large (20"/51cm)
    X-Large (22"/56cm)

    Effective Top Tube Length
    23.2"/59cm
    23.6"/60cm
    24.4"/62cm
    25.1"/64cm

    Actual Top Tube Length
    57cm
    58cm
    60cm
    62cm

    Stand Over Height
    75.3cm
    78.7cm
    82.5cm
    86.3cm

    Head Tube Length
    80mm
    90mm
    110mm
    130mm

    Head Tube Angle
    71.5 degrees
    71.5 degrees
    71.5 degrees
    71.5 degrees

    Seat Tube Angle
    74 degrees
    74 degrees
    74 degrees
    74 degrees

    Wheel Base
    108.1cm
    1082cm
    110.2cm
    112.1cm

    Chainstay Length
    45cm
    45cm
    45cm
    45cm

    Bottom Bracket Height
    12.8cm
    12.8cm
    12.8cm
    12.8cm

    Bottom Bracket Width
    68mm
    68mm
    68mm
    68mm

    Bottom Bracket Thread
    English
    English
    English
    English

    Seat Post Diameter
    27.2mm
    27.2mm
    27.2mm
    27.2mm

    Seat Clamp Diameter
    31.8mm
    31.8mm
    31.8mm
    31.8mm

    Front Derailleur Clamp Diameter
    31.8mm
    31.8mm
    31.8mm
    31.8mm

    Maximum Tire Width
    2.5"
    2.5"
    2.5"
    2.5"

    Recommended Fork Travel
    80mm-100mm
    80mm-100mm
    80mm-100mm
    80mm-100mm

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    New question here. bottom bracket height

    I hope the stated bottom bracket height is a type-o. 12.8cm would make it diffecult to pedal. maybe 12.8in?

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    I like that geometry - except the BB will have some pedals strikes.
    This looks like this years Zion frame (in that it is cheap). yum! Nice long top tubes.
    The price sure is nice. It would be even better if it was steel!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted
    Okay, it is definitely not a Niner! (courtesy pic for referance)

    I would venture to say that anybody with a design and the cash could get a Chinese manufacturing facility to make you as many of those Sette frames as you want. That's not far from the mark here, I'd wager. By the way, the Sette is shown sans rear derailluer hangar. I hope that is included at that bargain basement price.
    No hanger included.

    Email from PricePoint:
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    They do not come with a derailleur hanger.

    Thanks,

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    Quote Originally Posted by cbchess
    I like that geometry - except the BB will have some pedals strikes.
    This looks like this years Zion frame (in that it is cheap). yum! Nice long top tubes.
    The price sure is nice. It would be even better if it was steel!
    I thought they stopped making Zion frames.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MadCowRider
    No hanger included.

    Email from PricePoint:
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    They do not come with a derailleur hanger.

    Thanks,

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    No derailleur hanger? I don't get it. I didn't think this was a singlespeed frame.

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    I'm thinking of going with a monkey. I think it's my safest bet.I loved my old one,I know it fits,it has many options and the company has been around for a few years. What happenes 2 years down the road when I snap the thing in half? What kind of warranty do they have? It's hard to trust frames at my weight.I haven't heard of to many cracked Monkey frames. It doesn't look like you can fit a 2.5 either looking at the picture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by boomn
    No derailleur hanger? I don't get it. I didn't think this was a singlespeed frame.
    The jist I got from them was that this frame is nearly at cost and that the hangar can not be included at that price.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 29erPilot
    ........ It doesn't look like you can fit a 2.5 either looking at the picture.
    And the 68mm bottom braket shell width would also suggest that clearances may be tight on this frame.
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    Help me understand this . What hanger do I need to buy? I have to buy a hanger to to get this frame going? Or do I just have to buy one as a replacement? Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by gthcarolina
    This 29er build kit shows up on the same page.

    http://www.pricepoint.com/detail.htm...&hprice=739.98
    or buy this bike for about 200$ more... and get a reba SL, and avid juicy 7's ... but you'd prob need some other bits... but could sell the frame and recoupe some of your money...
    http://www.bikesdirect.com/products/...liff29team.htm

    just a thought...
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